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Title: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 28, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
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Heading into the 2013 season the questions surrounding Auburn were: What does head coach Gus Malzahn need to improve Auburn’s stock? Does he have the right players to win games? Does he have the tools to win the way he wants to win?

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Nice Job theSix
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 28, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
But can they win right away this year?
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 28, 2014, 04:15:27 PM
But can they win right away this year?
This is what I would like to know. Someone should write an article addressing this.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 28, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
But can they win right away this year?
I hope dat Nick Marshall can throw.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 28, 2014, 04:22:14 PM
I hope dat Nick Marshall can throw.
I hope he don't throw 20 picks again.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 28, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
I hope dat Nick Marshall can throw.

Doubtful in this high school offense.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: AUJarhead on July 28, 2014, 04:38:50 PM
Doubtful in this high school offense.

Tigerwalk?
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 28, 2014, 04:47:57 PM
Tigerwalk?
bama gonna kill us this year.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: The Prowler on July 28, 2014, 07:40:35 PM
I think that there's a good possibility that Auburn will repeat. Look at our "hard games", then look at everyone they lost to graduation or leaving early for the NFL. LSU? No QB. UGA? Filling up the prison system, plus no QB. aTm? No QB or Evans (WR). uat? No QB, plus Kiffin is the OC. That's just mentioning their offenses, the defenses don't fare much better, except for UGA's (Coach Rocker is the DL Coach, they'll be good up front, provided they can keep their players out of prison long enough).
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Pell City Tiger on July 28, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
Doubtful in this high school offense.
Nothing but gimmicks & trick plays. This high school crap will never work against a SEC defense.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Kaos on July 28, 2014, 10:16:16 PM
Nothing but gimmicks & trick plays. This high school crap will never work against a SEC defense.

Smoky Mirrors. 

BTW, after a lengthy argument with a Bama fan today I decided to do some looking up.  Saban rocks the world when he has better talent or faces a team in transition or is handicapped. 

Let him play a team that's on the same level talent wise?  He's average at best. 

Let's look. 

2007
Lost to EVERY ranked team they played except Arkansas.  The Hogs were 16 at the time they played and ended up 8-5 (4-4) and unranked. 

2008
Started with that HUGE win over Clemson to open the season.  Clemson was Clemson and finished 7-6.  But they shot up the rankings for beating a mediocre team.  Followed that up with wins over WKU, Tulane and Arkansas to blast from 24th into the Top 10.  Asinine.

Beat third-ranked Georgia.  Quality win #1.  Georgia finished 10-3.

Vaulted to first with wins over a bunch of shitty teams.  Beat LSU in overtime.  Quality win #2.

Lost to Florida, lost to Utah. 

After two seasons, Saban had two decent very close wins and losses against eight teams of equal or inferior talent. 

2009
Opened with a win over VA Tech.  Quality win 3 as the Hokies finished 10-3.

Beat 20th ranked Ole Miss (farce)
Beat 22nd ranked South Carolina (overrated)
Beat average LSU (finished ranked 17th) so being generous, could claim that as win #4.
Beat Florida in SEC-CG.  Quality win #5.
Beat Texas in CG.  Speared quarterback in the back, Texas at a disadvantage.  So no. 

After three seasons, four quality wins, eight losses.

2010
Not a single quality win.  Lost to the only three teams of substance on their schedule in LSU, So Carolina and Auburn.

After four years, four wins and eleven losses is the tally.

2011
Beat Arkansas which finished 11-2 pre blonde motorcycle crash.  Quality win 5.

Lost to LSU - the only other decent team they played that year.  Beat LSU in the CG which was bogus, but credit given. 

So after five years, Saban has six wins and a dozen losses against teams of relatively equal talent.

2012
HUGE win over Michigan to open the season.  Michigan finished 8-5.  Nope.

Didn't play another ranked team until Mississippi State in October.  Joke.
Beat LSU for quality win 6. 
Lost to A&M
Beat Georgia in SEC-CG  -- win 7.
Beat Notre Dame in CG.  Seriously?  Overrated horse shit.  No credit there.

After six years he's now got seven quality wins against 13 losses to reasonably equal teams. 

2013
Played four ranked teams all season.   Lost to two of those.  One of the ranked teams -- A&M finished with four losses in the SEC.  No credit for that. 

Final tally?  The GOD of football is 8-15 against teams that are on a relatively equal footing.   Even if you give him credit for all the shitty teams like Notre Dame, etc?  He's not even .500 against quality competition. 

Build another statue devoted to whipping up on North Texas, why don't they. 

Looking back at their history and the pussified schedules they faced every year makes me want to crimson hurl.  Fuck them.  Fuck them all.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 28, 2014, 10:35:07 PM
Smoky Mirrors. 

BTW, after a lengthy argument with a Bama fan today I decided to do some looking up.  Saban rocks the world when he has better talent or faces a team in transition or is handicapped. 

Let him play a team that's on the same level talent wise?  He's average at best. 

Let's look. 

2007
Lost to EVERY ranked team they played except Arkansas.  The Hogs were 16 at the time they played and ended up 8-5 (4-4) and unranked. 

2008
Started with that HUGE win over Clemson to open the season.  Clemson was Clemson and finished 7-6.  But they shot up the rankings for beating a mediocre team.  Followed that up with wins over WKU, Tulane and Arkansas to blast from 24th into the Top 10.  Asinine.

Beat third-ranked Georgia.  Quality win #1.  Georgia finished 10-3.

Vaulted to first with wins over a bunch of shitty teams.  Beat LSU in overtime.  Quality win #2.

Lost to Florida, lost to Utah. 

After two seasons, Saban had two decent very close wins and losses against eight teams of equal or inferior talent. 

2009
Opened with a win over VA Tech.  Quality win 3 as the Hokies finished 10-3.

Beat 20th ranked Ole Miss (farce)
Beat 22nd ranked South Carolina (overrated)
Beat average LSU (finished ranked 17th) so being generous, could claim that as win #4.
Beat Florida in SEC-CG.  Quality win #5.
Beat Texas in CG.  Speared quarterback in the back, Texas at a disadvantage.  So no. 

After three seasons, four quality wins, eight losses.

2010
Not a single quality win.  Lost to the only three teams of substance on their schedule in LSU, So Carolina and Auburn.

After four years, four wins and eleven losses is the tally.

2011
Beat Arkansas which finished 11-2 pre blonde motorcycle crash.  Quality win 5.

Lost to LSU - the only other decent team they played that year.  Beat LSU in the CG which was bogus, but credit given. 

So after five years, Saban has six wins and a dozen losses against teams of relatively equal talent.

2012
HUGE win over Michigan to open the season.  Michigan finished 8-5.  Nope.

Didn't play another ranked team until Mississippi State in October.  Joke.
Beat LSU for quality win 6. 
Lost to A&M
Beat Georgia in SEC-CG  -- win 7.
Beat Notre Dame in CG.  Seriously?  Overrated horse shit.  No credit there.

After six years he's now got seven quality wins against 13 losses to reasonably equal teams. 

2013
Played four ranked teams all season.   Lost to two of those.  One of the ranked teams -- A&M finished with four losses in the SEC.  No credit for that. 

Final tally?  The GOD of football is 8-15 against teams that are on a relatively equal footing.   Even if you give him credit for all the shitty teams like Notre Dame, etc?  He's not even .500 against quality competition. 

Build another statue devoted to whipping up on North Texas, why don't they. 

Looking back at their history and the pussified schedules they faced every year makes me want to crimson hurl.  Fuck them.  Fuck them all.

So you're saying Saban will win again this year?  Cause his schedule is horse shit.

Can Auburn win again this year? 

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Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: bottomfeeder on July 28, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
If we beat the shit out of MSU (cowturds), we can win it all.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: The Prowler on July 29, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
If we beat the shit out of MSU (cowturds), we can win it all.
That's the game I have marked as our hardest game of the season and yes, I'm dead serious.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 29, 2014, 07:42:25 AM
That's the game I have marked as our hardest game of the season and yes, I'm dead serious.
Same here. They might lack a bellcow at RB but Prescott is capable of of a hundred and a half by himself. And their defense might be the best we will see. I like our chances against any other team if things aren't clicking or it's back and forth but not against State. Ole Miss is pudding next to these guys.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Saniflush on July 29, 2014, 08:04:27 AM
Smoky Mirrors. 

BTW, after a lengthy argument with a Bama fan today I decided to do some looking up.  Saban rocks the world when he has better talent or faces a team in transition or is handicapped. 

Let him play a team that's on the same level talent wise?  He's average at best. 

Let's look. 

2007
Lost to EVERY ranked team they played except Arkansas.  The Hogs were 16 at the time they played and ended up 8-5 (4-4) and unranked. 

2008
Started with that HUGE win over Clemson to open the season.  Clemson was Clemson and finished 7-6.  But they shot up the rankings for beating a mediocre team.  Followed that up with wins over WKU, Tulane and Arkansas to blast from 24th into the Top 10.  Asinine.

Beat third-ranked Georgia.  Quality win #1.  Georgia finished 10-3.

Vaulted to first with wins over a bunch of shitty teams.  Beat LSU in overtime.  Quality win #2.

Lost to Florida, lost to Utah. 

After two seasons, Saban had two decent very close wins and losses against eight teams of equal or inferior talent. 

2009
Opened with a win over VA Tech.  Quality win 3 as the Hokies finished 10-3.

Beat 20th ranked Ole Miss (farce)
Beat 22nd ranked South Carolina (overrated)
Beat average LSU (finished ranked 17th) so being generous, could claim that as win #4.
Beat Florida in SEC-CG.  Quality win #5.
Beat Texas in CG.  Speared quarterback in the back, Texas at a disadvantage.  So no. 

After three seasons, four quality wins, eight losses.

2010
Not a single quality win.  Lost to the only three teams of substance on their schedule in LSU, So Carolina and Auburn.

After four years, four wins and eleven losses is the tally.

2011
Beat Arkansas which finished 11-2 pre blonde motorcycle crash.  Quality win 5.

Lost to LSU - the only other decent team they played that year.  Beat LSU in the CG which was bogus, but credit given. 

So after five years, Saban has six wins and a dozen losses against teams of relatively equal talent.

2012
HUGE win over Michigan to open the season.  Michigan finished 8-5.  Nope.

Didn't play another ranked team until Mississippi State in October.  Joke.
Beat LSU for quality win 6. 
Lost to A&M
Beat Georgia in SEC-CG  -- win 7.
Beat Notre Dame in CG.  Seriously?  Overrated horse shit.  No credit there.

After six years he's now got seven quality wins against 13 losses to reasonably equal teams. 

2013
Played four ranked teams all season.   Lost to two of those.  One of the ranked teams -- A&M finished with four losses in the SEC.  No credit for that. 

Final tally?  The GOD of football is 8-15 against teams that are on a relatively equal footing.   Even if you give him credit for all the shitty teams like Notre Dame, etc?  He's not even .500 against quality competition. 

Build another statue devoted to whipping up on North Texas, why don't they. 

Looking back at their history and the pussified schedules they faced every year makes me want to crimson hurl.  Fuck them.  Fuck them all.

The sky is blue. 
Water is wet.

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Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 29, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
The sky is blue. 
Water is wet.

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The Aggies should be a year away based on that defense and have to develop a little used run game out of an All American pass blocking line.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: GH2001 on July 29, 2014, 09:17:26 AM
So you're saying Saban will win again this year?  Cause his schedule is horse shit.


Every damn year
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 29, 2014, 09:19:54 AM
The Aggies should be a year away based on that defense and have to develop a little used run game out of an All American pass blocking line.

Agreed.  That's a cupcake game and it's at home.

The game that I do think should be considered a semi-difficult matchup is Florida.  Florida's defense will be salty, and if Alabama's Jesus Coker doesn't live up to the hype (he won't), they could be in a close game deep in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Kaos on July 29, 2014, 09:32:40 AM
Agreed.  That's a cupcake game and it's at home.

The game that I do think should be considered a semi-difficult matchup is Florida.  Florida's defense will be salty, and if Alabama's Jesus Coker doesn't live up to the hype (he won't), they could be in a close game deep in the 2nd half.

That's another thing to be noted.  The few wins they have? All are close.  Several are OT. 

As a recruiter, Nick Saban Al-Betar does a tremendous job.  He's instituted a mafia-like organization that cheats with impunity and blatant disregard for possible consequences.

As a coach?  He's below average. 
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: dallaswareagle on July 29, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
That's another thing to be noted.  The few wins they have? All are close.  Several are OT. 

As a recruiter, Nick Saban Al-Betar does a tremendous job.  He's instituted a mafia-like organization that cheats with impunity and blatant disregard for possible consequences.

As a coach?  He's below average.

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: wesfau2 on July 29, 2014, 09:54:02 AM
The game that I do think should be considered a semi-difficult matchup is Florida.  Florida's defense will be salty, and if Alabama's Jesus Coker doesn't live up to the hype (he won't), they could be in a close game deep in the 2nd half.

That's the game I have penciled in for the first of up to 4 SEC losses for the mighty tahd.

As a recruiter, Nick Saban Al-Betar does a tremendous job.  He's instituted a mafia-like organization that cheats with impunity and blatant disregard for possible consequences.

As a coach?  He's below average. 

Been saying this for years.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2014, 10:09:39 AM
Been saying this for years.
Same. Been called a delusional barner every time I bring it up.

Perception is reality these days. If ESPN never shuts up about him being a God, so it is written and so it shall be.

His "dominance" is a function of a #1 recruiting class for all seven years since he's been there.

How is he consistently landing those? How is he selling playing time to recruits after seven consecutive #1 recruiting classes?

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It also didn't hurt that Slive has been "randomly" selecting the easiest possible schedule for them over the last three years until they "figured out" how to truly rotate the schedule after expansion.

He's a paper tiger. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Try telling anyone this, even when equipped with that long list of facts K just dropped and you'll be called a delusional loon that just can't see past your anti-Bama bias.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Kaos on July 29, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
you'll be called a delusional loon that just can't see past your anti-Bama bias.

I freely admit this.  BUT, the bias is so strong that you can't get far enough to the other side of it to even find balance.  It's sort of like not being a Nazi. 
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 29, 2014, 11:10:07 AM
Same. Been called a delusional barner every time I bring it up.

Perception is reality these days. If ESPN never shuts up about him being a God, so it is written and so it shall be.

His "dominance" is a function of a #1 recruiting class for all seven years since he's been there.

How is he consistently landing those? How is he selling playing time to recruits after seven consecutive #1 recruiting classes?

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It also didn't hurt that Slive has been "randomly" selecting the easiest possible schedule for them over the last three years until they "figured out" how to truly rotate the schedule after expansion.

He's a paper tiger. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Try telling anyone this, even when equipped with that long list of facts K just dropped and you'll be called a delusional loon that just can't see past your anti-Bama bias.
^^^The gay racist makes a lot of sense with this. I do not hate Alabammer. Never have. I hate a lot of their fans but I have some friends there. So, I'd like to think that I didn't have any jealousy or bias when I came to the conclusion that Sabear isn't the end all coarch.

He's really good and his record indicates. But, it's mostly at managing, hiring, recruiting, etc. It's smoke and mirrors with a lot of it.

I had a guy tell me that the first REC club meeting that he went to after Sabears hire, Mal Moore told a group of them that Saban asked him (Mal) after the hire, if he thought that he had hired the best coach in the country. Before Mal could answer, Saban told him that he didn't but that he had hired the best recruiter.

Napoleon complex?  As my grandpappy used to say, he sure is full of hisself. But it's hard to argue the recruiting results. The on the field coaching is a different story.

Gus has/will do more to challenge and/or exploit his x's and o's than anyone in the SEC

Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on July 29, 2014, 11:29:43 AM


It also didn't hurt that Slive has been "randomly" selecting the easiest possible schedule for them over the last three years until they "figured out" how to truly rotate the schedule after expansion.


I'm going to go full conspiracy tin foil hat here, but what was Slive's job prior to getting involved with the conference headquarters?  He was a lawyer that defended colleges against NCAA investigations. 

As commissioner, it's obvious his number 1 focus is the business aspect of things.  He wants to make money.  His goal is create the richest conference in college athletics, and he's succeeded.

What sports program makes the most money of any of the SEC schools?  What fanbase is moronic enough to donate their entire trailer savings just to buy a ticket to a football game?  Buy a jersey signed by a 2nd string guard?  Buy a commemorative coin with a coach's face on it? 
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2014, 12:33:16 PM
Corch Superior has made a believer out of me with what he's done at a place nobody has been able to be successful.  But, I used to think he and Lord Saybinz had a similar M.O. in many respects.  Whether it was him or the staff he hired, Spurrier was a recruiting machine.  During his run at UF, he could cherry pick anybody he wanted.  His fun and gun style attracted some of the best athletes available but as far as a game manager, he sucked.  Lost to AU twice simply because he wouldn't stop flinging the ball around the field, thinking the better athletes would eventually come out on top. 

Certainly, Spurrier and LS have different styles, but I get that same impression about Saybinz.  When they lose, you can always point to several glaring coaching decisions that cost them the game.  It seems he thinks his superior talent will win out no matter what.   
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2014, 12:46:46 PM
Corch Superior has made a believer out of me with what he's done at a place nobody has been able to be successful.  But, I used to think he and Lord Saybinz had a similar M.O. in many respects.  Whether it was him or the staff he hired, Spurrier was a recruiting machine.  During his run at UF, he could cherry pick anybody he wanted.  His fun and gun style attracted some of the best athletes available but as far as a game manager, he sucked.  Lost to AU twice simply because he wouldn't stop flinging the ball around the field, thinking the better athletes would eventually come out on top. 

Certainly, Spurrier and LS have different styles, but I get that same impression about Saybinz.  When they lose, you can always point to several glaring coaching decisions that cost them the game.  It seems he thinks his superior talent will win out no matter what.
Kinda like how you lawyer?
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 29, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
In spite of the perception, I wouldn't trade Gus for Saban and not so sure our guy wouldn't be a better NFL HC with minimal pro experience as a coordinator. No lack of respect for Saban...it's just that Gus is a much better tactician who can get results even when he is outmatched. Still IMO,  if Saban were head of player personnel for say Dallas, I think they would be in the playoffs even with Jones and Garrett.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
On top of being a good recruiter, I think Sabinz is also a good motivator.  He gets the megatalent, and then somehow manages to get these kids to buy into his process without questioning him in the least.  That's why I always refer to them as the Turd Reich.  He is a short Messianic megalomaniac who expects perfection and requires unquestioning loyalty and dedication to his scheme.  His players are robotic, unemotional, and executed the game the same way.  His coaching is unimaginative but most of the time (got a second?) is executed flawlessly by top talent players. And they win.  Then that leads to better recruiting and "I told you this works" as a motivation technique, and you get more buy in...

If it is not executed flawlessly?  Somebody's ass is on the bench or gets processed.  Hard to beat that kind of coaching...

Hard to beat, that is, UNLESS you can disrupt the flawless execution.  Which is what Gus has done with his scheming and the HUNH.  It's like the British soldiers marching in a square and firing and then kneeling down to reload while row two does the same thing.  That worked great in European combat until the American rebel army started with the sniping and the guerilla tactics.  The British couldn't undo their brainwashed training and react quickly enough.  They complained about how the rebels didn't fight in a civilized manner.  Sounds like Sabinz complaining about how the HUNH isn't fair, doesn't it?  It upsets his plan, and he can't react.  That's where the not a great coach comes into play.  If he can't  - or won't - react and adjust his way of doing things, bammer will lose.  That simple.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
Hard to beat, that is, UNLESS you can disrupt the flawless execution.  Which is what Gus has done with his scheming and the HUNH.  It's like the British soldiers marching in a square and firing and then kneeling down to reload while row two does the same thing.  That worked great in European combat until the American rebel army started with the sniping and the guerilla tactics.  The British couldn't undo their brainwashed training and react quickly enough.  They complained about how the rebels didn't fight in a civilized manner.  Sounds like Sabinz complaining about how the HUNH isn't fair, doesn't it?  It upsets his plan, and he can't react.  That's where the not a great coach comes into play.  If he can't  - or won't - react and adjust his way of doing things, bammer will lose.  That simple.

Great use of examples...I give you a 105.  A+
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 29, 2014, 01:36:51 PM
Great use of examples...I give you a 105.  A+
She's mine and she's brilliant!
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Tiger Wench on July 29, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
Great use of examples...I give you a 105.  A+

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Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: dallaswareagle on July 29, 2014, 01:44:25 PM
In spite of the perception, I wouldn't trade Gus for Saban and not so sure our guy wouldn't be a better NFL HC with minimal pro experience as a coordinator. No lack of respect for Saban...it's just that Gus is a much better tactician who can get results even when he is outmatched. Still IMO, if Saban were head of player personnel for say Dallas, I think they would be in the playoffs even with Jones and Garrett.


Good freaking god, Please no. Although it would be fun to watch the meltdown.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2014, 02:45:23 PM
In spite of the perception, I wouldn't trade Gus for Saban
You know, this goes back to the bias thing.

If Saban were at Auburn, there is no way he would be considered as successful.

And it's not for any reason that bammers may have in their head about them being magically more conducive to greatness than Auburn.

First and foremost, he would not be getting the benefit of the doubt he gets. There is no fucking imaginable way that we would get a re-match against LSU in 2011 had it been Auburn in the identical situation. Absolutely no chance it would happen.

Similarly, the local media wouldn't be tripping over their dicks fawning over him. There wouldn't be that desperation to compare him to the Bear, and to relive it as some sort of nostalgic tie to what the see as the Glory Days football. There wouldn't be the willingness to crown him GOAT before he had even really accomplished anything.

And instead of fawning over what a great recruiter he is, the story would absolutely have gravitated to Tom Albetar, Fluker, Clinton-Dix, Hot Wheelz of Mobile, etc. much, much faster than it did for them. It would have been national headlines after his first #1 recruiting class. And once it was uncovered, people would actually have given a shit. There would be national outcry to strip us of any accolades we had accumulated during his tenure and demand at his resignation. Auburn would be considered the poster-child for all that is wrong with college football. There would be serious debates about whether or not the death penalty should be applied, and 90% of the nation would think it should.

There is no level playing field. It's just fact. To deny everything I said above is to be laughably naive. But don't let that stop 90% of college football fans, including a significant portion of our own fan base.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 29, 2014, 03:08:31 PM
You know, this goes back to the bias thing.

If Saban were at Auburn, there is no way he would be considered as successful.

And it's not for any reason that bammers may have in their head about them being magically more conducive to greatness than Auburn.

First and foremost, he would not be getting the benefit of the doubt he gets. There is no fudgeing imaginable way that we would get a re-match against LSU in 2011 had it been Auburn in the identical situation. Absolutely no chance it would happen.

Similarly, the local media wouldn't be tripping over their richards fawning over him. There wouldn't be that desperation to compare him to the Bear, and to relive it as some sort of nostalgic tie to what the see as the Glory Days football. There wouldn't be the willingness to crown him GOAT before he had even really accomplished anything.

And instead of fawning over what a great recruiter he is, the story would absolutely have gravitated to Tom Albetar, Fluker, Clinton-Dix, Hot Wheelz of Mobile, etc. much, much faster than it did for them. It would have been national headlines after his first #1 recruiting class. And once it was uncovered, people would actually have given a shoot. There would be national outcry to strip us of any accolades we had accumulated during his tenure and demand at his resignation. Auburn would be considered the poster-child for all that is wrong with college football. There would be serious debates about whether or not the death penalty should be applied, and 90% of the nation would think it should.

There is no level playing field. It's just fact. To deny everything I said above is to be laughably naive. But don't let that stop 90% of college football fans, including a significant portion of our own fan base.
This question came up before we hired Gus and one of my most fervent AU friends said he'd love to have Saban. I countered that he'd be a terrible fit and that even if it could happen, I would not want it to.

It's an interesting thought. Pat Dye is not my favorite personality among former coaches but I loved him whilst he was the man. I guess ultimately, it does come down to wins and losses  but I couldn't see myself ever liking Saban. Ever.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2014, 03:21:14 PM
This question came up before we hired Gus and one of my most fervent AU friends said he'd love to have Saban. I countered that he'd be a terrible fit and that even if it could happen, I would not want it to.

It's an interesting thought. Pat Dye is not my favorite personality among former coaches but I loved him whilst he was the man. I guess ultimately, it does come down to wins and losses  but I couldn't see myself ever liking Saban. Ever.

I think one of the biggest differences for me is that fans and administration of the Crapstoned were willing to sell their collective souls in order to get back to what they believe is their birth right.  They gave an egotistical control freak the keys to the city and have been groveling at his feet ever since. 

My impression is that while Auburn people want to win and demand at least a certain level of success, the Bama/Lord Saybinz scenario would never, ever happen at Auburn.  While our administration has a long history of doing unbelievably stupid shit concerning pay, buyouts, contract extensions etc. there are just too many in power that like to have a certain amount of control.  Too many Timmy's and Jimmy's and Bobby's. 
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2014, 04:02:06 PM
I think one of the biggest differences for me is that fans and administration of the Crapstoned were willing to sell their collective souls in order to get back to what they believe is their birth right.  They gave an egotistical control freak the keys to the city and have been groveling at his feet ever since. 

My impression is that while Auburn people want to win and demand at least a certain level of success, the Bama/Lord Saybinz scenario would never, ever happen at Auburn.  While our administration has a long history of doing unbelievably stupid shit concerning pay, buyouts, contract extensions etc. there are just too many in power that like to have a certain amount of control.  Too many Timmy's and Jimmy's and Bobby's.


God damn you don't say many smart things...but Jesus Christ boy.  This still isn't one of them.  But I agree with ya.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 29, 2014, 04:02:53 PM
I think one of the biggest differences for me is that fans and administration of the Crapstoned were willing to sell their collective souls in order to get back to what they believe is their birth right.  They gave an egotistical control freak the keys to the city and have been groveling at his feet ever since. 

My impression is that while Auburn people want to win and demand at least a certain level of success, the Bama/Lord Saybinz scenario would never, ever happen at Auburn.  While our administration has a long history of doing unbelievably stupid shoot concerning pay, buyouts, contract extensions etc. there are just too many in power that like to have a certain amount of control.  Too many Timmy's and Jimmy's and Bobby's.
No Stevies calling shots anymore? When did this change? I guess coach Dye summed it up best with Alabama people loving Alabama football and Auburn people loving Auburn. Lotsa truth in that.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2014, 04:05:13 PM
I don't care what those pinko commies say, there is winning and nothing else!

You wanna lose, then go to Russia.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Saniflush on July 29, 2014, 04:07:46 PM
I don't care what those pinko commies say, there is winning and nothing else!

You wanna lose, then go to Russia.

MURICA!!!!!
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Godfather on July 29, 2014, 04:16:02 PM
MURICA!!!!!

I'm not a loser. I'm a winner. I'm an American. Who wants to be John Wayne? Who wants to grab a root and hang on? Who wants to get a mean on? Get a mean on son.

Now who wants it? I want to know, who wants this?

Who wants to get a mean on? Let's go!
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 29, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
Coach, I think I broke my dick.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 29, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
I'm not a loser. I'm a winner. I'm an American. Who wants to be John Wayne? Who wants to grab a root and hang on? Who wants to get a mean on? Get a mean on son.

Now who wants it? I want to know, who wants this?

Who wants to get a mean on? Let's go!
I think they are free at all McDonald's drive throughs.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2014, 04:37:38 PM
Pertinent to the subject of this thread.

Grantlant thinks the answer is no, cause luck n' stuff.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/auburn-tigers-2014-sec-schedule-luck/ (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/auburn-tigers-2014-sec-schedule-luck/)
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: AUChizad on July 29, 2014, 04:42:21 PM
Saw this on twitter in regards to the Iron Bowl being "luck".

Auburn's win-probability chart. Shows we were in control most of the game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtvQNASCcAA4asK.png)
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 29, 2014, 04:45:46 PM
Winning against Thuga and Bama on the road will not be easy. I'm not saying that we will do it after having endured the mine field that lies before those two. At the same time, it appears that most of the experts are weighting what we lost more heavily than what we gained. I don't see that. Williams should be a big difference maker at WR to compliment a returning QB.

D will be improved. It's gotta be improved.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Snaggletiger on July 29, 2014, 04:55:08 PM
Winning against Thuga and Bama on the road will not be easy. I'm not saying that we will do it after having endured the mine field that lies before those two. At the same time, it appears that most of the experts are weighting what we lost more heavily than what we gained. I don't see that. Williams should be a big difference maker at WR to compliment a returning QB.

D will be improved. It's gotta be improved.

I normally think your posts are pure garbage, but this one I can get behind.  Just like your wife. 

Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on July 29, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
I normally think your posts are pure garbage, but this one I can get behind.  Just like your wife.
How dare you! My posts are never garbage.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: Pell City Tiger on July 29, 2014, 05:50:38 PM
On top of being a good recruiter, I think Sabinz is also a good motivator.
A couple of hard swats across the ass for a poorly thrown pass will motivate you. Just ask AJ McTat.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: wesfau2 on July 29, 2014, 06:15:27 PM
A couple of hard swats across the ass for a poorly thrown pass will motivate you. Just ask AJ McTat.

A few threats to throw momma out of her sweet house-sitting gig is probably the norm.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: GH2001 on July 30, 2014, 09:16:02 AM
Winning against Thuga and Bama on the road will not be easy. I'm not saying that we will do it after having endured the mine field that lies before those two. At the same time, it appears that most of the experts are weighting what we lost more heavily than what we gained. I don't see that. Williams should be a big difference maker at WR to compliment a returning QB.

D will be improved. It's gotta be improved.

Hopefully uga will be demoralized by then with nothing to play for after starting out 0-2.
Title: Re: Can Auburn Repeat?
Post by: jmar on July 30, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
How dare you! My posts are never garbage.
I think he meant to say your posts are trash. But I doubt we are far enough along defensively to prevent close calls as in 2010 or '14.
Having good corner play will go a long way to improving in the points against column. Be nice to be able to hold a 20 point lead as well.