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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/nyregion/staten-island-man-dies-after-he-is-put-in-chokehold-during-arrest.html?ref=nyregion (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/nyregion/staten-island-man-dies-after-he-is-put-in-chokehold-during-arrest.html?ref=nyregion)
The 350-pound man, about to be arrested on charges of illegally selling cigarettes, was arguing with the police. When an officer tried to handcuff him, the man pulled free. The officer immediately threw his arm around the man’s neck and pulled him to the ground, holding him in what appears, in a video, to be a chokehold. The man can be heard saying “I can’t breathe†over and over again as other officers swarm about.
Now, the death of the man, Eric Garner, 43, soon after the confrontation on Thursday on Staten Island, is being investigated by the police and prosecutors. At the center of the inquiry is the officer’s use of a chokehold — a dangerous maneuver that was banned by the New York Police Department more than 20 years ago but that the department cannot seem to be rid of.
“As defined in the department’s patrol guide, this would appear to have been a chokehold,†the police commissioner, William J. Bratton, said at a news conference in City Hall on Friday afternoon.
He referred to police rules that forbid chokeholds and define them as including “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.â€
The Civilian Complaint Review Board, an independent city agency that investigates allegations of police abuse, logged 233 allegations involving chokeholds in 2013, making up 4.4 percent of the excessive-force complaints it received. Although only a tiny fraction of the chokehold complaints that the agency receives are ever substantiated, the number of complaints has generally been rising.
A decade ago, when the review board was receiving a comparable number of force complaints, chokehold allegations were less frequent. They made up 2.3 percent of the excessive-force complaints in 2003, and no more than 2.7 percent in 2004.
“My throat was on his forearm,†one man who was arrested in Queens testified in April in an internal police disciplinary proceeding, describing how he “could barely breathe†after an officer allegedly placed him in a chokehold.
It is unclear if the chokehold contributed to the death on Thursday afternoon of Mr. Garner, who was at least 6 feet 3 inches tall and who, friends said, had several health issues: diabetes, sleep apnea, and asthma so severe that he had to quit his job as a horticulturist for the city’s parks department. He wheezed when he talked and could not walk a block without resting, they said.
Nonetheless, the use of a chokehold in subduing a large but unarmed man during a low-level arrest raises for Mr. Bratton the same questions about police training and tactics that he faced 20 years ago, in his first stint as New York City’s police commissioner.
In 1994, the year after the Police Department banned chokeholds, a man named Anthony Baez died in the Bronx after a police officer put him in a chokehold during a dispute over a touch football game.
At City Hall on Friday, Mr. Bratton said he did not believe that the use of chokeholds by police officers in New York City was a widespread problem, saying this was his “first exposure†to the issue since returning as police commissioner in January.
Mayor Bill de Blasio, standing next to Mr. Bratton, said, “Like so many New Yorkers I was very troubled by the video,†referring to a bystander’s recording of the incident, which was posted on the website of The New York Daily News. The two police officers who initially confronted Mr. Garner have been temporarily taken off patrol duty. The police declined to name the officers but said one of them had been on the force for eight years and the other for four years.
Late Friday, the mayor’s office announced that Mr. de Blasio was postponing his family’s departure on a planned vacation to Italy from Friday evening until Saturday. The postponement was to allow Mr. de Blasio to spend more time making calls to elected officials, community leaders and members of the clergy, and talking to the police, about Mr. Garner’s death, the mayor’s press secretary, Phil Walzak, said.
The encounter between Mr. Garner and plainclothes officers, from the 120th Precinct, began after the officers accused Mr. Garner of illegally selling cigarettes, an accusation he was familiar with. He had been arrested more than 30 times, often accused of selling loose cigarettes bought outside the state, a common hustle designed to avoid state and city tobacco taxes. In March and again in May, he was arrested on charges of illegally selling cigarettes on the sidewalk.
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Community members gathered to pray in the Tompkinsville neighborhood where Mr. Garner died. Credit Robert Stolarik for The New York Times
For years, Mr. Garner chafed at the scrutiny by the police, which he considered harassment. In 2007, he filed a handwritten complaint in federal court accusing a police officer of conducting a cavity search of him on the street, “digging his fingers in my rectum in the middle of the street†while people passed by.
More recently, Mr. Garner told lawyers at Legal Aid that he intended to take all the cases against him to trial. “He was adamant he wouldn’t plead guilty to anything,†said Christopher Pisciotta, the lawyer in charge of the Staten Island office of Legal Aid.
Despite all the scrutiny from the police, most days Mr. Garner, a father of six, would stand on Bay Street, in the Tompkinsville neighborhood, his ankles visibly swollen, hawking loose Lucky cigarettes for 50 cents each.
On Thursday, when officers confronted him nearby and accused him of selling tobacco to a man in a red shirt, Mr. Garner reacted with exasperation, suggesting he was not going to cooperate. “I’m tired of it,†he said. “This stops today.â€
“I didn’t do nothing,†Mr. Garner tells an officer. “Every time you see me, you want to harass me, you want to stop me.â€
At one point he has his hands on his hips; at other points he is gesturing energetically. “Please just leave me alone,†he says. In the video, Mr. Garner can be seen crawling forward on the ground as an officer hangs on with his arm around Mr. Garner’s neck. Other officers surround Mr. Garner.
Soon, the officer releases his grip around Mr. Garner’s neck and, kneeling, presses Mr. Garner’s head into the sidewalk.
Mr. Garner was pronounced dead a short time later at Richmond University Medical Center.
Mr. Pisciotta, the Legal Aid lawyer who knew Mr. Garner as a frequent client, said he was struck by how quickly the officers resorted to putting “him into a chokehold,†perhaps in reaction to Mr. Garner’s formidable size.
Mr. Pisciotta said that Mr. Garner, however imposing his appearance, was “a gentle giant,†who was known for breaking up fights.
“To me it looks like they saw a mountain of a man and they decided to take him down using immediate and significant force,†Mr. Pisciotta said.
On Friday, a woman at Mr. Garner’s home, who identified herself as a cousin named Stephanie, said: “The family is very, very sad. We’re in shock. Why did they have to grab him like that?â€
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NB4Youdon'tknowshitaboutwarrantsandcopstuff.
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He shouldn't have died. And he died for no fucking reason.
But...
This is why you don't do stupid shit by arguing with the police and resisting arrest. He may have very well been right...but now he is dead right...
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I mean, some shit I just don't understand. Maybe I'm just not a good police officer. Was the guy being a fucking moron? Absolutely. And I don't understand why some people, no matter what, have to argue and be unreasonable with any type of authority. But on the flip side, who gives a shit if he's selling cigarette's illegally? (If that's why they are attempting to arrest him).
Either way, that was absolutely a choke hold. Didn't apply it long, had already let go when the guy is saying he can't breathe. But was it enough to cause his death? Autopsy will reveal it. And if it does, that guy is probably fucked. Over a cigarette. Could have just told the guy to quit being a dick and left it at that. Bet he wishes he would have now, even if he won't admit it.
I'll stick to county policing. Because white county people know when to shut the fuck up. They know how to admit to their felonious acts. And most importantly, they know when it's time to go to jail, it's time to go to jail.
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NB4Youdon'tknowshitaboutwarrantsandcopstuff.
I think imataxlawyergodamnit is normally the starting point for most thread expansions.
But I'll let vv tell me if I'm right about that.
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I mean, some shit I just don't understand. Maybe I'm just not a good police officer. Was the guy being a fucking moron? Absolutely. And I don't understand why some people, no matter what, have to argue and be unreasonable with any type of authority. But on the flip side, who gives a shit if he's selling cigarette's illegally? (If that's why they are attempting to arrest him).
Either way, that was absolutely a choke hold. Didn't apply it long, had already let go when the guy is saying he can't breathe. But was it enough to cause his death? Autopsy will reveal it. And if it does, that guy is probably fucked. Over a cigarette. Could have just told the guy to quit being a dick and left it at that. Bet he wishes he would have now, even if he won't admit it.
I'll stick to county policing. Because white county people know when to shut the fuck up. They know how to admit to their felonious acts. And most importantly, they know when it's time to go to jail, it's time to go to jail.
COUNTY LAW!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAaRFrbB4UQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAaRFrbB4UQ)
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I think imataxlawyergodamnit is normally the starting point for most thread expansions.
But I'll let vv tell me if I'm right about that.
Wrong.
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I mean, some shit I just don't understand. Maybe I'm just not a good police officer. Was the guy being a fucking moron? Absolutely. And I don't understand why some people, no matter what, have to argue and be unreasonable with any type of authority. But on the flip side, who gives a shit if he's selling cigarette's illegally? (If that's why they are attempting to arrest him).
Either way, that was absolutely a choke hold. Didn't apply it long, had already let go when the guy is saying he can't breathe. But was it enough to cause his death? Autopsy will reveal it. And if it does, that guy is probably fucked. Over a cigarette. Could have just told the guy to quit being a dick and left it at that. Bet he wishes he would have now, even if he won't admit it.
I'll stick to county policing. Because white county people know when to shut the fuck up. They know how to admit to their felonious acts. And most importantly, they know when it's time to go to jail, it's time to go to jail.
He died of a heart attack later....not sure what the chokehold in and of itself had to do with the cause of death. I mean he was almost 400 lbs. Wouldn't take much riling him up for his ticker to go kaboom. Was the chokehold probably wrong? Yeah, but to tie it to his death is just media sensationalizing right now. "Man dies after illegal CHOKEHOLD!!" The outrage.
Im sure some other guy somewhere in the US died after shopping at Wal Mart and arguing with a stock clerk about an item. Doesn't mean it was them that caused it.
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He died of a heart attack later....not sure what the chokehold in and of itself had to do with the cause of death. I mean he was almost 400 lbs. Wouldn't take much riling him up for his ticker to go kaboom. Was the chokehold probably wrong? Yeah, but to tie it to his death is just media sensationalizing right now. "Man dies after illegal CHOKEHOLD!!" The outrage.
Im sure some other guy somewhere in the US died after shopping at Wal Mart and arguing with a stock clerk about an item. Doesn't mean it was them that caused it.
Certain chain of events have occured over something as insignificant as a tomato on a burger.
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Certain chain of events have occured over something as insignificant as a tomato on a burger.
"Avid KISS Fan and lover of Auburn Football, dies of stroke after heated argument stems from Tomato being on Hamburger in drive thru"
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"Avid KISS Fan and lover of Auburn Football, dies of stroke after heated argument stems from Tomato being on Hamburger in drive thru"
Efforts to calm the incensed customer where unsuccessful and a full-on swat team had to subdue him.
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I mean, some shoot I just don't understand. Maybe I'm just not a good police officer. Was the guy being a fudgeing moron? Absolutely. And I don't understand why some people, no matter what, have to argue and be unreasonable with any type of authority. But on the flip side, who gives a shoot if he's selling cigarette's illegally? (If that's why they are attempting to arrest him).
Either way, that was absolutely a choke hold. Didn't apply it long, had already let go when the guy is saying he can't breathe. But was it enough to cause his death? Autopsy will reveal it. And if it does, that guy is probably fudgeed. Over a cigarette. Could have just told the guy to quit being a richard and left it at that. Bet he wishes he would have now, even if he won't admit it.
I'll stick to county policing. Because white county people know when to shut the fudge up. They know how to admit to their felonious acts. And most importantly, they know when it's time to go to jail, it's time to go to jail.
Translation: What Token is trying to say is, if you get caught doing anything by him, it's likely not anything that a dozen Krispy Crème won't take care of.
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"Avid KISS Fan and lover of Auburn Football, dies of stroke after heated argument stems from Tomato being on Hamburger in drive thru"
Efforts to calm the incensed customer where unsuccessful and a full-on swat team had to subdue him.
And he was heard saying during the ruckus "You will not like the review I give you"
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And he was heard saying during the ruckus "You will not like the review I give you Meow"
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Medical Examiner ruled that the chokehold had almost EVERYTHING to do with this guy's death. So, I stand corrected and take the stance that this should NOT have happened.
Was it wrong to argue with police? Sure, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die. Especially if the cop was doing something he shouldn't have been in the first place (chokehold). Plain and simple - it shouldnt have escalated to what it did and its extremely unfortunate that some kids are without their dad over some untaxed cigarettes.
For the record, what he was actually doing doesn't really bother me. Bigger fish to worry about that some black dude selling cigs and not paying taxes on them. F--k taxes up the ass. Hows about we treat child molestors and sickos this way instead of people like this guy?
All this said - that cop is SCREWED in a major way.
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Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.
Let obummer worry about him.
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Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.
Let obummer worry about him.
If more people would start whipping cops asses, there would be less of this. I have never hesitated to bitch slap a cop. A badge makes no difference to me. Don't have the audacity to flash your lights at me and ask me to see my license and registration. Let me see YOUR license and registration, bitch.
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Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.
Let obummer worry about him.
Had a friend in high school who was the starting running back. Decent guy, but your stereotypical jock.
He became a police officer. Saw a post from him on Facebook the other day that included a video of a police officer talking on his radio with another officer, who was informing him that a suspect was running his way. The suspect rounds a corner and is just a few paces from the officer shown in the video. The officer violently tackles him to the ground.
Now, I have no problem with how those events played out. The officer merely subdued him and placed him under arrest. The problem I have is with the comment that my friend made on the post: "This is what we live for."
Ideally, you should "live for" the idea of protecting and serving if you're going to become a police officer. Your driving force or ultimate goal should not be to have the opportunity to physically punish people. Yet, there are those types who become officers for that reason, or who develop that attitude shortly after becoming an officer. And it's generally those types of people who wind up unnecessarily killing or injuring people, including other officers, because of their reckless attitude and desire to be the physically authoritative presence.
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Had a friend in high school who was the starting running back. Decent guy, but your stereotypical jock.
He became a police officer. Saw a post from him on Facebook the other day that included a video of a police officer talking on his radio with another officer, who was informing him that a suspect was running his way. The suspect rounds a corner and is just a few paces from the officer shown in the video. The officer violently tackles him to the ground.
Now, I have no problem with how those events played out. The officer merely subdued him and placed him under arrest. The problem I have is with the comment that my friend made on the post: "This is what we live for."
Ideally, you should "live for" the idea of protecting and serving if you're going to become a police officer. Your driving force or ultimate goal should not be to have the opportunity to physically punish people. Yet, there are those types who become officers for that reason, or who develop that attitude shortly after becoming an officer. And it's generally those types of people who wind up unnecessarily killing or injuring people, including other officers, because of their reckless attitude and desire to be the physically authoritative presence.
HEY...don't be all pissy because you were to short for the Academy.
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HEY...don't be all pissy because you were to short for the Academy.
Cadet Sweetchuck?
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Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.
Let obummer worry about him.
What the klansman said ^^
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Had a friend in high school who was the starting running back. Decent guy, but your stereotypical jock.
He became a police officer. Saw a post from him on Facebook the other day that included a video of a police officer talking on his radio with another officer, who was informing him that a suspect was running his way. The suspect rounds a corner and is just a few paces from the officer shown in the video. The officer violently tackles him to the ground.
Now, I have no problem with how those events played out. The officer merely subdued him and placed him under arrest. The problem I have is with the comment that my friend made on the post: "This is what we live for."
Ideally, you should "live for" the idea of protecting and serving if you're going to become a police officer. Your driving force or ultimate goal should not be to have the opportunity to physically punish people. Yet, there are those types who become officers for that reason, or who develop that attitude shortly after becoming an officer. And it's generally those types of people who wind up unnecessarily killing or injuring people, including other officers, because of their reckless attitude and desire to be the physically authoritative presence.
"WHAP", "BAM", "WHAP"---baton strikes, followed by: "STOP RESISTING!!!"....is usually the way this plays out.
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I think we are not teaching enough protect and serve and focusing more on the law "enforcement" aspect.
I know there are assholes out there who make it difficult for the police. But 99.9% of us are law abiding citizens who do not wish to be harassed by an overzealous officer.
I never have an issue talking with law enforcement if they have a question. But it is ALWAYS how the question is asked. Ask like an asshole, I'll answer like an asshole. I think that is just human nature.
And I have never or will ever be part of an organization that discriminates based solely on race.
I do, however, belong to the "life is hard, it's even harder when you are stupid" club!
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A police officer normally has a billy club, mace, a taze me bro and a gun. Sometimes he has a big bad dog and a radio that he uses to call more policemen with clubs and mace and taze me bros and guns. The proper response is yes sir and no sir. If he gets out of line...take it to court. But out there you will lose 100% of the time.
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Why are we seeing more incidents of law enforcement going rambo for small offenses. It is as if when you don't obey the commands, it's open season. this guy was evading taxes and selling without a license. Just write his ass a ticket, report him to the IRS and move on.
Let obummer worry about him.
That cop is about to be fucked with the long dick of the law, and he deserves it because he is a stupid asshole. As to your "seeing more incidents"
You're seeing more because there are more incidents being recorded and they make more of a splash in today's culture. Incidents are occurring at an all time low. Up until the early 90's it was not only common practice but pretty much standard operating procedure for cops to carry "blackjack" or "sap" which was basically a leather club with lead in the end. They beat the shit out of people regularly. When that specialized technique began to cost departments too much money cops took to carrying large metal flashlights. Again, they beat the shit out of people with them. In talking to an old guy I trust to tell me the truth about being a cop in the 80's "nearly every arrest was a fight, they didn't want to go to prison and we knew we'd fight it out every time". They didn't have tasers, or spray, or often the level of training in non-damaging holds and takedowns seen in modern LE. They just straight up beat the fuck out of people and hauled them to jail. And there were terrible abuses I'm sure, but most of it was just doing what had to be done to get the job done. I said all that to say this: Things are lightyears better in terms of use of force. Yeah, its violent sometimes but stopping a violent person generally requires violence and abusers get weeded out. Now, there are no blackjacks. There are no maglights. It is common knowledge that if you beat someone in that manner you deserve what you get in court. Now most have tasers (by the way, if they do have a taser they've been hit with it. Thousands of cops tased not one death or injury from the device. They're literally life savers getting a bad rap due to some abuse and the unfortunate tendency of people who took enough drugs to fight the police dying . Read up on "excited delirium") Training is better. Equipment is better. Documentation is better. everything is videoed either by cops or public at large. So its easy to say "man, those brutal pigs" but the reality is folks are getting a difficult job done in a sweeter, more cuddly way. Yeah, assholes happen but they're being weeded out regularly.
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That cop is about to be fucked with the long dick of the law, and he deserves it because he is a stupid asshole. As to your "seeing more incidents"
You're seeing more because there are more incidents being recorded and they make more of a splash in today's culture. Incidents are occurring at an all time low. Up until the early 90's it was not only common practice but pretty much standard operating procedure for cops to carry "blackjack" or "sap" which was basically a leather club with lead in the end. They beat the shit out of people regularly. When that specialized technique began to cost departments too much money cops took to carrying large metal flashlights. Again, they beat the shit out of people with them. In talking to an old guy I trust to tell me the truth about being a cop in the 80's "nearly every arrest was a fight, they didn't want to go to prison and we knew we'd fight it out every time". They didn't have tasers, or spray, or often the level of training in non-damaging holds and takedowns seen in modern LE. They just straight up beat the fuck out of people and hauled them to jail. And there were terrible abuses I'm sure, but most of it was just doing what had to be done to get the job done. I said all that to say this: Things are lightyears better in terms of use of force. Yeah, its violent sometimes but stopping a violent person generally requires violence and abusers get weeded out. Now, there are no blackjacks. There are no maglights. It is common knowledge that if you beat someone in that manner you deserve what you get in court. Now most have tasers (by the way, if they do have a taser they've been hit with it. Thousands of cops tased not one death or injury from the device. They're literally life savers getting a bad rap due to some abuse and the unfortunate tendency of people who took enough drugs to fight the police dying . Read up on "excited delirium") Training is better. Equipment is better. Documentation is better. everything is videoed either by cops or public at large. So its easy to say "man, those brutal pigs" but the reality is folks are getting a difficult job done in a sweeter, more cuddly way. Yeah, assholes happen but they're being weeded out regularly.
I hear it also used to be "standard procedure" for the police to beat the hell out of some innocent black people in Selma.
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I have no problem with force against force.
The issues and incidents we are seeing more of, is not the "Damn. That dude needed hos ass whipped". It is more like, "Why was the cop such an asshole?"
Like I said, 99.9% of us are not trouble makers, but many of us are willing to hold our ground when being disrespected.
The over use of power in normal situations is what is getting the attention.
In the case of this thread, there was no reason to get physical with the guy at this point.
Protect and serve.
Not Judge Dredd, "I AM THE LAWWWWW!"
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I hear it also used to be "standard procedure" for the police to beat the hell out of some innocent black people in Selma.
I think that was Bull Connor in Birmingham but whatever.
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I have no problem with force against force.
The issues and incidents we are seeing more of, is not the "Damn. That dude needed hos ass whipped". It is more like, "Why was the cop such an asshole?"
Like I said, 99.9% of us are not trouble makers, but many of us are willing to hold our ground when being disrespected.
The over use of power in normal situations is what is getting the attention.
In the case of this thread, there was no reason to get physical with the guy at this point.
Protect and serve.
Not Judge Dredd, "I AM THE LAWWWWW!"
And thats why I bring up the Selma stuff.
I am for cops in general. I think most are good. But I think you will always have those that are rogue. This guy was an idiot. And all it is gonna do is stir up a bunch of shit from people like Jesse Jackson. Yes, it was wrong. Yes Selma was wrong. But there are a lot of people who profit off these things for the wrong reasons. Why do it? You know youre gonna get caught and its the wrong thing to do. So why? You can't tell me this cop thought his life was endangered and that this was the only way out.
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Can't we all just get along?
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I think that was Bull Connor in Birmingham but whatever.
That too, but was refering to Jim Clark and the Pettus Bridge ruckus. They tried to paint that as if it was necessary. It wasn't. It was pre meditated.
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That too, but was refering to Jim Clark and the Pettus Bridge ruckus. They tried to paint that as if it was necessary. It wasn't. It was pre meditated.
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Damnit you had to go posting pictures. Now CCTAU is gonna get all excited and somebody is gonna feel his wrath in North Atlanta.
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Whoah whoah, I ain't arguing for this jackass or any other assholes. I would disagree with the "99% of us" thing because the asshole/normal person ratio isn't that good. I was just pointing out that the idea that really negative incidents are on the rise is unfounded. As is the idea that the world in general is in greater chaos than normal is unfounded. The 24 hour news cycle and the wonders of technology including the internet and cheap and portable recording devices has made the average person more aware of the world in general, but the sky is not falling and the world is (pretty much) getting better. The Selma reference was spot on in that if no video or photos had been taken we wouldn't even know what the Edmund Pettus bridge is and those foul acts would've been glossed over.
And yes, 100% beating the fuck out of people was standard back then, just as straight up hanging them was standard 100 years before that.
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Whoah whoah, I ain't arguing for this jackass or any other assholes. I would disagree with the "99% of us" thing because the asshole/normal person ratio isn't that good. I was just pointing out that the idea that really negative incidents are on the rise is unfounded. As is the idea that the world in general is in greater chaos than normal is unfounded. The 24 hour news cycle and the wonders of technology including the internet and cheap and portable recording devices has made the average person more aware of the world in general, but the sky is not falling and the world is (pretty much) getting better. The Selma reference was spot on in that if no video or photos had been taken we wouldn't even know what the Edmund Pettus bridge is and those foul acts would've been glossed over.
And yes, 100% beating the fuck out of people was standard back then, just as straight up hanging them was standard 100 years before that.
^^^This right here^^^ Listen to him. He's pre-med.
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All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.
The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.
There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.
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All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.
The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.
There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.
The taser is a life saver, no doubt. It gets a lot of negative publicity and because of that the use of force guidelines at a lot of places are narrowing its utility (partially due to the jackassary of cops) but if I knew someone I cared about was either going to get in a full on fight with a cop or get tased I would want them tased. It ends the game with zero injuries on either side.
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All b.s. aside, if they had simply tased the bro, he may not be dead right now. And the threat of a taser being pointed at him would have likely been enough to stop him. He may have thought he could handle the little police chick and the roosty poots with her in short order. And the dude that put the choke hold on him may/may not regret it. Doesn't matter. The taser should've been tried before a choke hold.
The perp didn't appear to be acting out violently or as an immediate threat. That's my problem with his being choked down.
There are few men, like myself, that can endure being tased and continue fighting like a crazed wildcat.
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Damnit you had to go posting pictures. Now CCTAU is gonna get all excited and somebody is gonna feel his wrath in North Atlanta.
Polishing his hood off right now
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I spent nearly 3 solid months in the hospital with my ex-wife nearly 10 years ago. On the one night that my parents finally talked me in to going home to try and get one night of sleep, I got a call early the next morning saying her blood pressure had sky rocketed, she was having a panic attack, and could I get to the hospital as soon as possible.
So I got in the car and raced up Hwy 280 in Birmingham. As I was speeding along, I got pulled over going probably 70 MPH on 280 which was clearly speeding by 10 15 MPH or so.
The cop, who looked all of 24, came strolling up to the window.
Cop: Do you have an emergency?
Me: Well, sort of sir. I just got a call from the hospital that my wife is in ICU and the told me she isn't doing well and I needed to get up there.
Cop: What is she doing in the hospital?
Me: She has had some complications from some pretty major surgery and we have been in the hospital for a few months. Actually, last night is the first night that I slept in my bed in a long time since I have been with her. I understand I was speeding officer, but can you please hurry and write a ticket or whatever because I really need to get up there.
Cop: So what hospital.
Me: Brookwood. Right up the road. I really need to get up there.
Cop: SO if I call the hospital, they will confirm this?
Me: Yes sir. But please hurry, I really need to get up there.
Cop: Just a minute.
He takes my license and strolls back to his police car. 6 minutes later, he casually strolls back up to my window with a pissed off look on his face.
Cop: I am going to let you go, but let me tell you this son. You never, EVER tell a cop to hurry. You got that?
I didn't say a word, I took my license from him and drove off.
What a power tripping dick fuck that kid was...
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Hey man look at the bright side, he didn't choke you to death. And you have a great story about how someone wasn't pleasant with you whilst not writing you a ticket. Was he a state trooper because they are all assholes and I can't see any of them letting a ticket go, hospital or no.
I've actually gotten into several arguments about that sort of thing. My stance is that the average decent person doesn't ever need a cop, or talk to a cop, outside of a traffic stop for a minor violation. No wonder cops are nearly universally disliked, troopers and the like just can't help being a total dick shortly before writing a $300 ticket for a minor violation.
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Polishing his hood off right now
"What VV does to an uncut man"?
I'll take Potpourri for $200, Alex