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Title: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 08:43:46 AM
Men did something that I cannot fathom.

(http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/d-day-message/images/landing-in-france.gif)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 08:48:14 AM
They crossed the channel on the 5th in order to hit the beaches the morning of the 6th. Truly the greatest generation as so many (families included) gave so much for the nation.

No matter where you go in life, once you have served with someone in difficult situations you have a bond that cannot be broken.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 08:51:12 AM
Damnit I thought today was the 6th.

Well they should have more than one day of remembrance anyway.  Use this picture today.

(http://www.battlefieldhistorian.com/itemimages/bhc060000.jpg)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 08:56:10 AM
Damnit I thought today was the 6th.

Well they should have more than one day of remembrance anyway.  Use this picture today.

(http://www.battlefieldhistorian.com/itemimages/bhc060000.jpg)


One of my bucket list places to go when I go back to Europe, take a couple of days to visit that area, walk the beaches and visit the burial area of the guys who stayed.

That picture is (or was) in the command HQ of the 101st.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 08:59:55 AM

One of my bucket list places to go when I go back to Europe, take a couple of days to visit that area, walk the beaches and visit the burial area of the guys who stayed.

That picture is (or was) in the command HQ of the 101st.

Well worth it!  Took my nephew four years ago. 
Sat on the cliffs above the beach and watched the sun come up. 
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Kaos on June 05, 2014, 09:13:12 AM
I can't imagine going into that, knowing that there was a very high likelihood that you were not coming home. 

I do know somebody who could and did. 

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/001/856/777/RalphJordan_display_image_display_image_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75)
During World War II, Jordan fought in four major invasions as a United States Army officer. He saw action in North Africa and Sicily before being wounded in the invasion of Normandy and receiving a Purple Heart and the Bronze Star. After recovering from his wounds, he continued action in the Pacific theater, serving at Okinawa.

Not only was he our coach, he was a humble American hero. 
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 05, 2014, 09:55:40 AM
Damnit I thought today was the 6th.

Well they should have more than one day of remembrance anyway.  Use this picture today.

(http://www.battlefieldhistorian.com/itemimages/bhc060000.jpg)

Well, they did start the crossing on the 5th, so technically.....
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Well, they did start the crossing on the 5th, so technically.....


And there is the time difference.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 05, 2014, 10:40:32 AM
Truly the greatest generation. And obviously many times the men that you wussies are.

These men were fighting for varying reasons, I'm sure. But the difference between then and now for most is that they had to fight. Not only because they were drafted but because we had arguably the most clear and present danger we've ever faced as a country.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for the vets of all wars. Must admit though that 1-Korea were a rare bread of fighters. They set the standard for toughness and courage.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
Truly the greatest generation. And obviously many times the men that you wussies are.

These men were fighting for varying reasons, I'm sure. But the difference between then and now for most is that they had to fight. Not only because they were drafted but because we had arguably the most clear and present danger we've ever faced as a country.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for the vets of all wars. Must admit though that 1-Korea were a rare bread of fighters. They set the standard for toughness and courage.



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Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 05, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
 


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Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 01:05:51 PM
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29-26 I win.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 05, 2014, 01:08:12 PM
You want toughness?  You want courage?  You think all those soldiers in WWII and Korea were badasses?  Pfffft. Minor skirmishes compared to Grenada.  Clint Eastwood kicked ass and willed his guys to face insurmountable odds to rescue those students.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
You want toughness?  You want courage?  You think all those soldiers in WWII and Korea were badasses?  Pfffft. Minor skirmishes compared to Grenada.  Clint Eastwood kicked ass and willed his guys to face insurmountable odds to rescue those students.


Cherry point.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 05, 2014, 01:25:54 PM


29-26 I win.
Sorry. It's like golf.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Buzz Killington on June 05, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
If we keep this thread active for 12 more hours, Sani will be right after all.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
You want toughness?  You want courage?  You think all those soldiers in WWII and Korea were badasses?  Pfffft. Minor skirmishes compared to Grenada.  Clint Eastwood kicked ass and willed his guys to face insurmountable odds to rescue those students.

Told this before but I'm old and can't remember when and to whom so here goes again. 

The bar in that movie was a real place called the Wagon Wheel and sat about three blocks outside one of the Camp Pendleton gates.  Stayed open 23 hours a day.  Would close at 0600 every morning and reopen one hour later at 0700.  That was some god dern good training there!
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 05, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
Told this before but I'm old and can't remember when and to whom so here goes again. 

The bar in that movie was a real place called the Wagon Wheel and sat about three blocks outside one of the Camp Pendleton gates.  Stayed open 23 hours a day.  Would close at 0600 every morning and reopen one hour later at 0700.  That was some god dern good training there!

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Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 02:39:52 PM
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Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 02:43:35 PM

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh52/ghary43/some%20of%20my%20wild%20photos/4564566_gal.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/ghary43/media/some%20of%20my%20wild%20photos/4564566_gal.jpg.html)

It's a clusterfuck sir.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 05, 2014, 02:44:13 PM
It's a clusterfuck sir.

A what?
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 05, 2014, 02:51:12 PM
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 05, 2014, 02:57:25 PM
A what?

A clusterfuck.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
A what?


 I been pumping pussy since Christ was a corporal. I can tell you, the best damned poontang I ever paid for was in Da Nang. The girls were checked out daily. And we got ourself laid in a safe, orderly, proficient, military manner. That is until some suckhead writes home mama and says he dipped his wick in the Republic of South Vietnam. Then the shit hits the fan. A committee of congressmen who asshole to asshole who couldn't make a beer fart in a whirlwind, start telling your basic-ass-in-the-grass, Marine " No more short time ". We responded in true Marine Corps fashion. We salute, do an about face, double time back to the boom-boom garbage dump where we get the clap, and the drip, and the crabs and a generally poor attitude towards the female of the species. War is hell, boy. That's a fact!"
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Tiger Wench on June 05, 2014, 03:48:45 PM
Back on topic:

My grandfather was in the second wave at Normandy Beach. I've often thought that as much courage as it took for the first wave to get off those boats and run towards the enemy, it must have been even harder for the second wave to do the same after sitting and watching what happened to the first bunch. Yet they did it anyway.

Had I realized that the 70th anniversary was this week, I would have made my connecting flight home thru Paris instead of London, and spent the weekend in Normandy. I'll be on the wrong side of the Channel tomorrow.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 05, 2014, 04:07:28 PM
Found this little piece that told me some things I never knew.  Guess I never questioned why the term "D-Day".  Just kind of associated it with Dooms Day for some reason.  Anyway...

 
It is hard to conceive the epic scope of this decisive battle that foreshadowed the end of Hitlers dream of Nazi domination. Overlord was the largest air, land, and sea operation undertaken before or since June 6, 1944. The landing included over 5,000 ships, 11,000 airplanes, and over 150,000 service men.

 After years of meticulous planning and seemingly endless training, for the Allied Forces, it all came down to this: The boat ramp goes down, then jump, swim, run, and crawl to the cliffs. Many of the first young men (most not yet 20 years old) entered the surf carrying eighty pounds of equipment. They faced over 200 yards of beach before reaching the first natural feature offering any protection. Blanketed by small-arms fire and bracketed by artillery, they found themselves in hell.

When it was over, the Allied Forces had suffered nearly 10,000 casualties; more than 4,000 were dead. Yet somehow, due to planning and preparation, and due to the valor, fidelity, and sacrifice of the Allied Forces, Fortress Europe had been breached.       

What Does D-Day Mean?

The terms D-Day and H-Hour are used for the day and hour on which a combat attack or operation is to be initiated. They designate day and hour for an operation when the actual day and hour have not yet been determined or announced. The letters are derived from the words for which they stand, "D" for the day of the invasion and "H" for the hour the operation actually begins. When used in combination with figures and plus or minus signs, these terms indicate the length of time preceding or following a specific action. Thus, H-3 means 3 hours before H-hour, and D+3 means 3 days after D-day. H+75 minutes means H-hour plus 1 hour and 15 minutes.

Planning papers for large-scale operations are made up in detail long before, specific dates are set. Phased orders are planned for execution on D-Day or H-Hour minus or plus a certain number of days, hours, or minutes. According to the U.S. Army's Center of Military History, the earliest known use of these terms is in Field Order Number 9, First Army, American Expeditionary Forces. It is dated September 7, 1918: "The first Army will attack at H hour on D day with the object of forcing the evacuation of the St. Mihiel Salient." D-Day for the invasion of Normandy was set for June 5, 1944, but it actually occurred on June 6. Therefore, D-Day, as it applies to Overlord, is June 6, 1944.

Source: The General Service Schools, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, Combat Orders (Fort Leavenworth, Kansas: The General Service Schools Press.
 
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 05, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
Truly sacred ground:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/0051251_zps944fa565.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/miked0003/media/0051251_zps944fa565.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Pell City Tiger on June 05, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
"There are only 2 kinds of men on this beach; those that are dead, and those that are going to die. MOVE OUT!"
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 06, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Men did something neither Uncle Sani nor myself could fathom

(http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/d-day-message/images/landing-in-france.gif)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 06, 2014, 10:17:57 AM
Men did something neither Uncle Sani nor myself could fathom

(http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/d-day-message/images/landing-in-france.gif)


Most of them were boys.

By this time 70 years ago over 2000 had been killed and over 10,000 were wounded or missing.


A very high price to pay in someone else's backyard.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 06, 2014, 10:21:55 AM
Then
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380890/plane-1944.jpg)

Now
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380891/juno-2013.jpg)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 06, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
Then
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380877/bunker-hill-1944.jpg)

Now
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380875/bunker-hill-2013.jpg)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 06, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380882/caen-1944.jpg)

(http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1380883/caen-2013.jpg)

More pics here http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/d-day-landing-sites-then-now-normandy-beaches-1944-70-years-later-1450286 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/d-day-landing-sites-then-now-normandy-beaches-1944-70-years-later-1450286)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Kaos on June 06, 2014, 12:32:04 PM
More details on Jordan.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/local/alabama/2014/06/06/coach-helped-gain-bigger-victory-shug-jordan/10052535/ (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/local/alabama/2014/06/06/coach-helped-gain-bigger-victory-shug-jordan/10052535/)

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Most troops involved in World War II combat participated in one invasion in one region. Not Army Capt. Ralph Jordan, who grew up in Selma. He was in five invasions — four in the European theater, one in the Pacific.

The worst occurred 70 years ago today. It was D-Day and signaled the beginning of the end for Hitler.

Jordan was a combat engineer whose unit's job at Normandy was to help destroy Rommel's defensive obstacles that lined Utah Beach. His engineers had a specific assignment — setting explosives to penetrate a German seawall aimed at slowing the Allied advance.

Speed was vital because American tanks were waiting for the seawall to be breached so they could push through toward the French interior.

His unit landed soon after initial waves of troops ran into the teeth of German resistance. Parts of the English Channel turned red.

Not long after his men began destroying the obstacles, a German artillery shell landed in the middle of their position, killing and wounding several.

Jordan was wounded but stayed with his men, refusing evacuation to a hospital ship. At one point, he couldn't be found. Fearing the worst, his troops began searching. They found him propped against a seawall, smoking a cigarette, pain etched in his face.......

.....As for "Shug" Jordan's bravery in battle, a comment from his coaching rival in Tuscaloosa sums up the kind of man he was.

"Shug has more courage in his little finger than I've got in my entire body," Paul "Bear" Bryant once said.


Worth a read.  Too bad the rest of the world won't get it. 
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 06, 2014, 03:24:32 PM
Pawwwwwwl dem aubies think dey bettar den da bahr, whatchu think Pawwwwwllll?
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 09, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
Things have definitely changed from then to now.  Everything was in black and white back then.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 09, 2014, 09:52:00 AM
Things have definitely changed from then to now.  Everything was in black and white back then.
Cameras also took horrible pictures.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: AUJarhead on June 09, 2014, 10:03:07 AM
Sent this to Sani and Wench earlier. Words of wisdom from Chesty.

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Our country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any America—because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: bgreene on June 09, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Brave men.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Godfather on June 09, 2014, 10:41:05 AM
Brave men.
Back when men were men, and women made me a sandwich.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 09, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
Back when men were men, and women made me a sandwich.

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d58/saniflush/att_137995744601711_zpsa777c8f1.jpeg)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: CCTAU on June 09, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPqerGUKVk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhPqerGUKVk#ws)
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: bgreene on June 09, 2014, 04:14:27 PM
Back when men were men, and women made me a sandwich.
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: dallaswareagle on June 09, 2014, 05:58:23 PM



That picture is all kind of trouble. You got a PFC leading a private to god knows where.

I once had a 2LT shoot an azimuth ( a line between you and a known point) except 2nd LT dip-shit was shooting at a hovering helicopter. 
Title: Re: 70 years ago today
Post by: Saniflush on June 09, 2014, 09:17:16 PM

That picture is all kind of trouble. You got a PFC leading a private to god knows where.

I once had a 2LT shoot an azimuth ( a line between you and a known point) except 2nd LT dip-shit was shooting at a hovering helicopter.

I once had a 2nd LT run point for two hours at night with the compass sitting on top of the front sight post of his m16. Imagine how far off we were of our intended destination.  Naturally he was a fucking ring knocker from the academy.