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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on March 26, 2014, 04:18:02 PM
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from teh foxnewz.kum. This is not good at all IMO. But, as I asked in previous discussion on this topic, have they not thought this thing through? Pay attention to the line where Colter is asked if he received a $75,000.00/yr. scholarship. He answers, "To play football. To perform an athletic service". Okay, you want to be considered an employee and not a "student-athlete". How do you think daddy and mama are gonna' feel now that they have to (Because you can't) pay taxes on $75K a year? Because, unless I'm missing something, if you become an employee under the law and the scholarship now becomes income....
In a stunning ruling that has the potential to revolutionize college athletics, a federal agency said Wednesday that football players at Northwestern University can create the nation's first college athlete's union.
The decision by a regional director of the National Labor Relations Board means it agrees football players at the Big Ten school qualify as employees under federal law and therefore can legally unionize.
The Evanston, Ill-based university argued college athletes, as students, don't fit in the same category as factory workers, truck drivers and other unionized workers. The school plans to appeal to labor authorities in Washington, D.C.
Outgoing Wildcats quarterback Kain Colter took a leading role in establishing the College Athletes Players Association, or CAPA, which would take the lead in organizing the players. The United Steelworkers union has been footing the legal bills.
Colter, whose eligibility has been exhausted and who has entered the NFL draft, said nearly all of the 85 scholarship players on the Wildcats roster backed the union bid, though only he expressed his support publicly.
CAPA attorneys argued that college football is, for all practical purposes, a commercial enterprise that relies on players' labor to generate billions of dollars in profits. That, they contend, makes the relationship of schools to players one of employers to employees.
In its endeavor to have college football players be recognized as essential workers, CAPA likened scholarships to employment pay -- too little pay from its point of view. Northwestern balked at that claim, describing scholarship as grants.
Giving college athletes employee status and allowing them to unionize, critics have argued, could hurt college sports in numerous ways -- including by raising the prospects of strikes by disgruntled players or lockouts by athletic departments.
The NCAA has been under increasing scrutiny over its amateurism rules and is fighting a class-action federal lawsuit by former players seeking a cut of the billions of dollars earned from live broadcasts, memorabilia sales and video games. Other lawsuits allege the NCAA failed to protect players from debilitating head injuries.
NCAA President Mark Emmert has pushed for a $2,000-per-player stipend to help athletes defray some of expenses. Critics say that isn't nearly enough, considering players help bring in millions of dollars to their schools and conferences.
CAPA's specific goals include guaranteeing coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players, ensuring better procedures to reduce head injuries and potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships.
For now, the push is to unionize athletes at private schools, such as Northwestern, because the federal labor agency does not have jurisdiction over public universities.
During the NLRB's five days of hearings in February, Wildcats coach Pat Fitzgerald took the stand for union opponents, and his testimony sometimes was at odds with Colter's.
Colter told the hearing that players' performance on the field was more important to Northwestern than their in-class performance, saying, "You fulfill the football requirement and, if you can, you fit in academics." Asked why Northwestern gave him a scholarship of $75,000 a year, he responded: "To play football. To perform an athletic service."
But Fitzgerald said he tells players academics come first, saying, "We want them to be the best they can be ... to be a champion in life."
An attorney representing the university, Alex Barbour, noted Northwestern has one of the highest graduation rates for college football players in the nation, around 97 percent. Barbour insisted, "Northwestern is not a football factory."
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Cut a hole in the box
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Cut a hole in the box
Putcher junk in that box
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Putcher junk in that box
Step 3
Let the NCAA Open that Box
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Step 3
Let the NCAA Open that Box
Bag O Dicks in a box
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Bag O Dicks in a box
Pete Thamel in a box?
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Could be the end of a lot of foosball programs. I can see why the lower tier school players would want it. The upper tier programs with players who get to showcase their talent are getting more return for their investment of work. A whole lot more return that what the free education provides, in most instances. There is no likely way that they could pay for the exposure they receive on the SEC game of the week.
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Be careful what you ask for.
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Appeal, appeal, appeal all the way to Federal Court.
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Feds To Northwestern Football Players: Union Yes
http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2014/03/09280_northwestern_fb_union_web_161730.shtml (http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2014/03/09280_northwestern_fb_union_web_161730.shtml)
Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:17:36 CDT
By: AP
In a ruling that could revolutionize college sports, a federal agency has given football players at Northwestern University the green light to unionize. The landmark ruling by a regional director of National Labor Relations Board means the players are deemed employees under federal law and so can create the nation's first college athletes' union. Union lawyers argued the Big Ten school's football players are part of a commercial enterprise that generates hefty profits through their labor. The NCAA, Big Ten Conference and the private school vehemently opposed the union drive. A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board, Peter Sung Ohr, found that the players "fall squarely within" the definition of "employee" under federal labor law. An employee is generally regarded by law as someone who gets compensation for a service and is under the direct control of managers. Players argued that their scholarships are compensation, and that their coaches are their managers. The College Athletes Players Association, which would take the lead in organizing the players, wants guaranteed coverage of sports-related medical expenses for current and former players. It also wants better procedures to reduce head injuries. Other goals include potentially letting players pursue commercial sponsorships. Critics say letting players unionize could raise the prospects of strikes by disgruntled players, or lockouts by athletic departments. For now, the push is on to unionize athletes at private schools such as Northwestern. The federal agency doesn't have jurisdiction over public universities. Northwestern argued college athletes are students and can't be put in the same category as factory workers. Northwestern University, based in Evanston, Illinois, says it will appeal to labor authorities in Washington. The school has argued that college athletes, as students, don't fit into the same category as factory workers, truck drivers and other unionized workers.
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Remind me again why a school that can barely field a football team is leading this charge?
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Remind me again why a school that can barely field a football team is leading this charge?
Because they are in Chicago...home of the most evil, crooked, underhanded, dishonest, backstabbing, backbiting group on the planet. Oh, and the labor union too.
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Because they are in Chicago...home of the most evil, crooked, underhanded, dishonest, backstabbing, backbiting group on the planet. Oh, and the labor union too.
When did the REC move from Alabama?
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Think Title 9
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Think Title 9
9? I think you should check your facts Skippy. I don't know off the top of my head but I'm willing to bet Northwestern isn't close to owning this many titles.
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I believe this ruling just made the NCAA think harder about coming to the table in the Ed O'Bannon suit. Time to $ettle?
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Remind me again why a school that can barely field a football team is leading this charge?
Northwestern is a private school. The unions decided private schools would be the place to gain a foothold because with public schools, the players would become state employees, and that opens up a whole 'nother can of nasty.
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Guy from the steelworker's union was on cnbc this a.m. Touting the victory from the NLRB and stated that college football was a multi-billion dollar business, players were employees in every test that they put this through and "big change is coming".
He may be right. I don't know. I do know that getting the unions involved with the sport that is nearest and dearest to my heart will likely make it start to crumble very fast. I know we've become more and more like pro football through the years. I guess it's the nature of the beast. But this could be the final nail.
Hopefully, SEC players and programs will have enough sense to know that unionization is a bad idea.
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Northwestern is a private school. The unions decided private schools would be the place to gain a foothold because with public schools, the players would become state employees, and that opens up a whole 'nother can of nasty.
This will be where they run into a problem. Federal or State Government employees can't be unionized.
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No real change is coming any time soon. Obviously, this will go through every appeal process possible and who knows, it may wind up failing altogether. But if it does come to pass and sweep through college athletics...that will be the end of college athletics. Not just as we know it. The end!
I've heard several "experts" this morning just like the one Wiregrass Tiger quoted, proclaiming victory because college football is a multi-bwadrillion $$$ sport. But this is not just about football. Title 9 makes this about the women's softball team. The men's golf team. The tennis teams....swimming...any sport that gives scholarships. We hear about all the revenue that college football produces and yes, it's staggering. But are these so-called experts naïve enough to think all this money stays in a separate bank account, earmarked solely for the football program? How do they think the lady's softball team travels to College Station for a series. Lodging, food, travel expense, equipment etc. How does the swim team spend a week in Athens Georgia for the SEC Championships? (Or wherever they're held) How does the track team make it to Fayetteville for a meet? It's not on the revenue any of them generate.
Title 9 says everyone will get equal treatment. The basketball team will have just as much right to be a part of the union as the football team. What is Bruce Pearl going to say when a union rep calls him up and says, "You know, we're not too keen on these 5:45 a.m. practices. We're thinking nothing before 10:00 a.m." It doesn't matter who generates the most revenue. They all get equal treatment.
Bringing up taxes again. If every student athlete on scholarship is eventually considered an employee under the law, then some or all of the benefits will become taxable. If a 4 year scholly is worth $100K at a particular school, who pays the $25-30K in taxes over that period. Am I off base in saying that at least half of the guys on football and basketball scholarships at AU, UA, Arky, Texas, FSU and on and on and on would never be able to afford to be there if it weren't for their athletic ability? Now, start telling mama and daddy they've got to fork over thousands each year because junior thinks he should be paid. No son, you're coming home.
I know...tl;dr...but this crap seems so short sighted and not thought through, it blows my mind.
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No real change is coming any time soon. Obviously, this will go through every appeal process possible and who knows, it may wind up failing altogether. But if it does come to pass and sweep through college athletics...that will be the end of college athletics. Not just as we know it. The end!
I've heard several "experts" this morning just like the one Wiregrass Tiger quoted, proclaiming victory because college football is a multi-bwadrillion $$$ sport. But this is not just about football. Title 9 makes this about the women's softball team. The men's golf team. The tennis teams....swimming...any sport that gives scholarships. We hear about all the revenue that college football produces and yes, it's staggering. But are these so-called experts naïve enough to think all this money stays in a separate bank account, earmarked solely for the football program? How do they think the lady's softball team travels to College Station for a series. Lodging, food, travel expense, equipment etc. How does the swim team spend a week in Athens Georgia for the SEC Championships? (Or wherever they're held) How does the track team make it to Fayetteville for a meet? It's not on the revenue any of them generate.
Title 9 says everyone will get equal treatment. The basketball team will have just as much right to be a part of the union as the football team. What is Bruce Pearl going to say when a union rep calls him up and says, "You know, we're not too keen on these 5:45 a.m. practices. We're thinking nothing before 10:00 a.m." It doesn't matter who generates the most revenue. They all get equal treatment.
Bringing up taxes again. If every student athlete on scholarship is eventually considered an employee under the law, then some or all of the benefits will become taxable. If a 4 year scholly is worth $100K at a particular school, who pays the $25-30K in taxes over that period. Am I off base in saying that at least half of the guys on football and basketball scholarships at AU, UA, Arky, Texas, FSU and on and on and on would never be able to afford to be there if it weren't for their athletic ability? Now, start telling mama and daddy they've got to fork over thousands each year because junior thinks he should be paid. No son, you're coming home.
I know...tl;dr...but this crap seems so short sighted and not thought through, it blows my mind.
This is by far the most only insightful thing that you've ever said. The taxes make the most sense. Let's see how the fica is handled in those payroll taxes. I think it's about 3/4 of taxpayers pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes. It would hurt a whole lot more in this situation, when not nearly as much cash is involved and it's more of a barter.
"Mamma, I need $5,700.00 in April for the tax man."
"You gonna need to bring yo ass on home, son."
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To add to what Snaggle said not just taxes but what about health insurance, are they considered full time employees, and thus entitled to health care and other state benefits like pensions.
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To add to what Snaggle said not just taxes but what about health insurance, are they considered full time employees, and thus entitled to health care and other state benefits like pensions.
Good point, especially on the health insurance. I believe if they are deemed to be employees, any "work related injury" would come under worker's comp coverage. Probably the same way as an injury to a Professor or maintenance guy would be handled. Honestly, I don't have a problem extending health insurance benefits of some kind to the athletes. I can imagine a lot of the parents can't afford Obama Care for the kid and if he rips a knee up, how do you pay for it? Can any of you miscreants that have played shed some light on how bad injuries are handled and who foots the bill?
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Billboards outside of JHS, "Injured making a tackle or pulling on a sweep? Call the one who cares. I'll get yo money. YOU are entitled to workers compensation benefits."
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Billboards outside of JHS, "Injured making a tackle or pulling on a sweep? Call the one who cares. I'll get yo money. YOU are entitled to workers compensation benefits."
Your missed tackles are our missed tackles.
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Screw you people. We're here to help the real victims. Those who have suffered long and are downtrodden. Here's the footage we'll be using for our next commercial.
http://youtu.be/V6mUzPvFQNs (http://youtu.be/V6mUzPvFQNs)
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I still have pain and suffering issues from 2012, no shit.
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I still have pain and suffering issues from 2012, no shit.
I was so depressed that year that I couldn't jerk off. I want compensation for my loss of consortium.
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You just won the Internet!
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To which I just lost. Damn quote function! Jumbo, sign me up for another class. How can I fix that quote?
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I still have pain and suffering issues from 2012, no shit.
I was so depressed that year that I couldn't jerk off. I want compensation for my loss of consortium.
Shit, I spent more time with my wife on Saturday cause it was less painful.
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To which I just lost. Damn quote function! Jumbo, sign me up for another class. How can I fix that quote?
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Oh snap. That just happened....to me. :thumsup:
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I was so depressed that year that I couldn't jerk off. I want compensation for my loss of consortium.
I still got my circle jerks in. But it wasn't the same.
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I still got my circle jerks in. But it wasn't the same.
You had to eat the cookie?
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Okay fuck this. Here's the deal. ALL students(or athletes) allowed to get agent. Said agent pays scholarship monies stipends cars sluts who gives a shit. All risk on agent. Money from agents given back to athletic department. Again all money spent by agent is non-refundable no matter future production. I win!
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C'mon Swain!