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BREAKING: Missouri DE Michael Sam, SEC co-Defensive Player of the Year, says he is gay; could become first openly gay NFL player.
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We knew of his status for 5 years and not one team member, coach, or staff member said anything says a lot about our family atmosphere
There's not a day that goes by that I don't want to kill someone. The urge is strong some days. But I don't kill people because it's wrong. And if I did, I wouldn't claim that murdering was okay because everybody has feelings and the rest of the world should accept my alternative lifestyle choice.If serious, this is terrifying.
What happens when the polygamists claim nobody's really being hurt?They're not. You have a victim in mind, I assume.
What happens when baby rapists claim it's consensual?It obviously isn't.
Non story.It's not a big deal to be black and play in the major leagues either.
Wanna be gay? Be gay. Why an "event", why an "announcement"?
It's become just another way to have all eyes on you. Attention.
In this day and age I just don't know why it's a big deal anymore. Just BE. It's not bold. It's not courageous. Gimme a break. A guy signing up to go to the front lines in the middle easy for pretty much minimum wage...that's courageous. If being gay is acceptable now why all the hoopla when someone is? Hoopla created by....the person that's gay and the supporters.
There's a pretty clear and obvious line between what makes consenting adults happy and victimizing people/things that are incapable of consent.Every time that I've had an opportunity to be on the receiving end of a salami slide, I've declined. But, you are right. It's always nice to have options. I guess.
It's not a big deal to be black and play in the major leagues either.
When Jackie Robinson became the first, it was of historical note.
When the co-defensive player of year for the undisputed best conference in college football outs himself, and will enter the NFL draft to become not only the first openly gay player in the NFL, but the first person to go into the NFL as an openly gay man, it's similarly of note.
it's similarly of note.Maybe this is so but I've always thought it would leave a sour taste in one's mouth.
This SHOULD be a huge selling point in recruiting though I don't think we're quite there yet.
MIZ-ZOU! MIZ-ZOU!
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Yeah. It's a selling point all right.
You know what real courage is? Controlling your emotions so you can behave in a manner acceptable to society.
There's not a day that goes by that I don't want to kill someone. The urge is strong some days. But I don't kill people because it's wrong. And if I did, I wouldn't claim that murdering was okay because everybody has feelings and the rest of the world should accept my alternative lifestyle choice.
What happens when the polygamists claim nobody's really being hurt? What happens when baby rapists claim it's consensual?
Plight of blacks vs that of gays are not even close to being the same. Blacks had NO rights. Not just marriage rights but human rights. They were slaves dude. Gays have always had the right to live free, do what they want and be where they wanna be. Yes they haven't always had the same marriage rights (and beneficiary benefits) but it's not even remotely comparable to what the blacks went through. So when a guy like Jackie Robinson makes it to the big leagues, yes it's a big deal. His grandparents weren't even free people. And now he's a MLB ball player. Lot bigger deal. He overcame a ton of adversity to be able to play ball. Against a lot of odds. There was nothing courageous about what Sam or Jason Collins did. They like to bang other guys in the dookie chute. That's not heroic. Like THS said, I'm tired of ESPN and the other sensationalist media telling me what's courageous and heroic all for the sake of a good story. This really isn't a big deal.
They can't continue on with all the equal rights chatter and how they just wanna be like everyone else in society and be accepted as normal - when everytime someone decides they wanna be a homo, to make a spectacle of it and be called a hero.
This goes back to other arguments that we have with the younguns on this board. They have been fully educated in the liberal doctrine. They somehow believe there is proof that man comes from monkeys and gays were born that way.
it matters not there has NEVER been any scientific proof of either. Yet when it comes to another liberal battle cry, global warming, they want to spout empirical evidence.
This guy chooses to suck dick. If he can live with that deviant behavior, then so be it. But I. nor those like me. should be forced to agree with it or celebrate it as a civil rights victory. To equate the two is moronic.
And the "there ain't no gaddam gay jean" argument is disingenuous.I wholeheartedly agree. What size do you wear?
Weren't you the same guy that said we should be able to snipe Mexicans that cross over the border illegally?
You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to celebrate it at all. But you do have to accept it as a lifestyle choice that is out of your control.
And the "there ain't no gaddam gay jean" argument is disingenuous. A friend of mine is an M3 at UAB's med school. She said that in their ethics class, it was explained that there is no pinpointed gene to determine one's sexuality, but it has been determined that sexual orientation is influenced by both genetics and psychology.
This goes back to other arguments that we have with the younguns on this board. They have been fully educated in the liberal doctrine. They somehow believe there is proof that man comes from monkeys and gays were born that way.
it matters not there has NEVER been any scientific proof of either. Yet when it comes to another liberal battle cry, global warming, they want to spout empirical evidence.
This guy chooses to suck richard. If he can live with that deviant behavior, then so be it. But I. nor those like me. should be forced to agree with it or celebrate it as a civil rights victory. To equate the two is moronic.
This goes back to other arguments that we have with the younguns on this board. They have been fully educated in the liberal doctrine. They somehow believe there is proof that man comes from monkeys and gays were born that way.LOL. There's no scientific proof of evolution?
it matters not there has NEVER been any scientific proof of either. Yet when it comes to another liberal battle cry, global warming, they want to spout empirical evidence.
MacIntyre F, Estep KW (1993). "Sperm competition and the persistence of genes for male homosexuality". BioSystems 31 (2–3): 223–33. doi:10.1016/0303-2647(93)90051-D. PMID 8155854 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8155854).
I'm actively trying not to get involved in the debate that is about to ensue (mainly because I'm going out of town Wednesday and won't be near a computer), but it's not as black-and-white as you want to make it.Beat me to essentially the same point.
Same-gender attraction is as real as any other attraction. Some people are wired that way. The fact that he acted on it was a choice, yes. No one forced him to suck on a hard one. But you are kidding yourself if you think that a straight dude just up and said "You know what, I want to make a name for myself. I think I'll bang / be banged by some dudes."
Writing in The Quarterly Review of Biology, researchers William Rice, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Urban Friberg, a professor at Uppsala University in Sweden, believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after we're born.
Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks don't normally pass between generations and are essentially "erased." Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning.
Epigenetic mechanisms can be seen as an added layer of information that clings to our DNA. Epi-marks regulate the expression of genes according to the strength of external cues. Genes are basically the instruction book, while epi-marks direct how those instructions get carried out. For example, they can determine when, where, and how much of a gene gets expressed.
Moreover, epi-marks are usually produced from scratch with each generation — but new evidence is showing that they can sometimes carryover from parent to child. It's this phenomenon that gives the impression of having shared genes with relatives.
You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to celebrate it at all. But you do have to accept it as a lifestyle choice that is out of your control.
I'm actively trying not to get involved in the debate that is about to ensue (mainly because I'm going out of town Wednesday and won't be near a computer), but it's not as black-and-white as you want to make it.
Same-gender attraction is as real as any other attraction. Some people are wired that way. The fact that he acted on it was a choice, yes. No one forced him to suck on a hard one. But you are kidding yourself if you think that a straight dude just up and said "You know what, I want to make a name for myself. I think I'll bang / be banged by some dudes."
And for the record, I'm as far from the liberal doctrine as you can get. I don't believe that men came from monkeys. I think man-made global warming is a joke. So be careful painting with such a broad brush.
If it's genetic, then it can be cured. That makes it a deviation, like mongo.Non-blue eyes and non-blonde hair can be "cured" too, Hitler. Not everyone wants to be "cured".
If it's a choice then you don't get equal rights for making bad choices.
That's where you're wrong. Not only do I NOT have to accept it, I don't.I don't "accept it" like these guys either. Who wants to walk around bow-legged all the time?
That's where you're wrong. Not only do I NOT have to accept it, I don't.
Non-blue eyes and non-blonde hair can be "cured" too, Hitler. Not everyone wants to be "cured".What you choose to do in your bedroom or airport men's room does not concern me. I just want to say that although I don't support the lifestyle, I do appreciate the bravery you display by speaking up.
I'm actively trying not to get involved in the debate that is about to ensue (mainly because I'm going out of town Wednesday and won't be near a computer), but it's not as black-and-white as you want to make it.
Same-gender attraction is as real as any other attraction. Some people are wired that way. The fact that he acted on it was a choice, yes. No one forced him to suck on a hard one. But you are kidding yourself if you think that a straight dude just up and said "You know what, I want to make a name for myself. I think I'll bang / be banged by some dudes."
And for the record, I'm as far from the liberal doctrine as you can get. I don't believe that men came from monkeys. I think man-made global warming is a joke. So be careful painting with such a broad brush.
FAG! :haha:
I must admit that I am interested in seeing which rooster Sam ends up on.
If it's genetic, then it can be cured. That makes it a deviation, like mongo.
If it's a choice then you don't get equal rights for making bad choices.
If by "rooster" you meant "roster", that should be obvious.I think he meant cock.
San Francisco.
I can do a genetic test on a human and tell if he was born black.
How do you argue science with a person who doesn't get science?
You can't distinguish a person's race from their DNA. You can only identify alleles which indicate where there ancestors are from, and thus make a slightly more educated guess at their race based on that information. But you can't "see" race in DNA.
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-09.htm (http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-09.htm)
Or else I might find myself back home in the kitchen, cleaning house and raising children, making you a sammich in my bare feet. fudge that.For the record, I would let you wear shoes. Now, back to talking about the buttsex. :bar:
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Yeah. And I'm not even gonna get into the gay debate in re to science, choice and all that crap the others are delving into. My main point was just the charade it's turned into to "come out". It doesn't make someone a damn hero.
It doesn't make someone a damn hero.
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Well I guess Ace and Gary were heroic. But not because they were fags.
How do you argue science with a person who doesn't get science?My ancestors are from Sugar Tit, S.C. I don't need no DNA test to tell me. My momma told me.
You can't distinguish a person's race from their DNA. You can only identify alleles which indicate where there ancestors are from, and thus make a slightly more educated guess at their race based on that information. But you can't "see" race in DNA.
http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-09.htm (http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-experts-01-09.htm)
GH is right, it has become a damn spectacle and push in our faces every time someone remotely famous claims to hold a richard in their mouth till the swelling goes down.They also want to push in our feces.
They also want to push inourmy feces.
But I cannot even begin to guess about there sexuality by looking at DNA. When it has been proven to be a genetic disorder, then you have a point. Till then, not a civil rights issue.
A civil right has nothing to do with genetic predispositions or traits. If it did, then you would not have the civil rights of freedom of speech, religion, voting, etc., as those are choices, not genetic traits.
I'm gay, anyone here have a problem with it?
You tell him. You flaming transgendered queer of a hobbit you.
Fuck you. I'm a hermaphrodite, not transgendered.Plus he's a lawyer so he likes to fuck everybody...doesn't count.
I am also gay. Feels so good to finally come out with it.Wow...this makes so much sense now... the colorful wardrobes.
Who knew the X had so many unsung heroes?Could make the next X-gate a bit more interesting...flamboyant to say the least.
Who knew the X had so many unsung heroes?
I'm comingforon youbigboy
Non-blue eyes and non-blonde hair can be "cured" too, Hitler. Not everyone wants to be "cured".
Neither of those things are deviant perversions that violate the laws of nature.
This is one of the most willfully ignorant arguments you make on any subject where you speak only in absolutes and refuse to be disuaded that your opinion is the only one any other human should ever have.
Millions of people with genetic disorders beg to differ with you. In fact, very few, if any, genetic disorders can be cured, at least not with medical science as we know it today. The very word "genetic" is your first clue that these things are formed at the most basic building blocks of human life, and are replicated a million times over and over. It's not a matter of killing a bacteria or supressing a virus. You can't alter every strand of genetic material in someone's body.
Not to mention that if being gay could be "cured", that every gay person would rush to do so. Not every gay is miserable because he would rather fudge a man than a woman. Plenty of them are happy with who they are. Just because that is not a lifestyle you would want to continue doesn't automtically make it a disease.
I know, you hate gays and buttsex and their entire deviant lifestyle and hell will freeze over before you change your mind. And that's fine. But when you make statements like the one above, you sound ignorant. The reality is that just because YOU don't like it will not make it go away, and just because YOU think it's deviant does not mean it won't continue to happen around your little island of Kaosland, and be accepted by our society. Last time I checked, YOU weren't in charge of anything other than your little world and for that I am grateful. Or else I might find myself back home in the kitchen, cleaning house and raising children, making you a sammich in my bare feet. fudge that.
If any deviation naturally occurs, then how does it violate the laws of nature?
Wow! Good for you for coming out.
I knew it
People are born with extra hands, born conjoined, born with holes in their hearts. Violation of the order, has to be fixed.
Didn't say it could be cured today. Cancer can't be cured today. So we stop looking for ways to cure it?
Listen to your argument and we've all still got polio and smallpox.
But aren't we actively searching for ways to cure other genetic defects? Do we just accept that down syndrome is natural since it is built into the DNA? What about tay-sachs? Sickle cell? Cystic Fibrosis? Alcoholism?
All genetic. And we're actively looking for a cure. If we agree that there is a genetic cause for this perversion of nature, why aren't we trying to find a way to cure it?
Talk about willfully ignorant.
Quite a random time to go nuclear.eh, variety is the spice of life.
Being born with extra hands does not violate the laws of nature. It is culturally viewed as abnormal because the majority of people only have two hands, but something can't occur naturally if it violates the laws of nature.
Violation of the order? Maybe, but then you're getting into subjective terms about whose order is correct. It's obviously not a violation of nature's order, or else it couldn't have occurred in the first place.
Yeah. And I'm not even gonna get into the gay debate in re to science, choice and all that crap the others are delving into. My main point was just the charade it's turned into to "come out". It doesn't make someone a damn hero.
Once Hillary wins in 2016, the last box will be checked... shoot me now.
Over/Under on 6 pages by 5:00 PM?Put me down for a dime on the under.
I prefer not to think about Hillary's box
Put me down for a dime on the under.
So much potential, but it was wasted. I was for sure it would easily be at 6 pages.Yes we had the hardliners jousting and a healthy dose of the hecklers ta boot...but it wasn't to be.
Didn't say it could be cured today. Cancer can't be cured today. So we stop looking for ways to cure it?
Listen to your argument and we've all still got polio and smallpox.
But aren't we actively searching for ways to cure other genetic defects? Do we just accept that down syndrome is natural since it is built into the DNA? What about tay-sachs? Sickle cell? Cystic Fibrosis? Alcoholism?
All genetic. And we're actively looking for a cure. If we agree that there is a genetic cause for this perversion of nature, why aren't we trying to find a way to cure it?
Talk about willfully ignorant.
If you can't see how queerness violates the laws of nature I can't help you at all. You probably use your screwdriver as a hammer, your wrench as a floor jack and your saw as a ladder. You don't know what your tools are for.
If I want to hammer at a nail with cooked spaghetti, that's my business. Just because your goal is to put the nail in the wood doesn't mean it has to be mine or anyone else's.
But if we're going to talk about what "tools" are "supposed" to be used for, then why allow condoms? Vasectomies? Oral sex and anal sex between heterosexuals? By God, nature intended for these tools to be used a certain way, and it violates the laws of nature to do otherwise!
I'm gay, anyone here have a problem with it?
If I want to hammer at a nail with cooked spaghetti, that's my business. Just because your goal is to put the nail in the wood doesn't mean it has to be mine or anyone else's.
I don't really give a rats ass what you decide to hammer with. Just don't try to convince me it is a hammer if it is not.:facepalm:
Gay is a choice. No proof it is not.
And if the THEORY of evolution is true, why is it still called a theory?
:facepalm:
If the THEORY of gravitation is true, why is it still called a theory?
If the THEORY of plate tectonics is true, why is it still called a theory?
If the THEORY of nuclear fusion is true, why is it still called a theory?
If the germ THEORY of disease is true, why is it still called a theory?
This is epically, epically dumb. That single sentence may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on the Internet. It is ridiculous to even entertain continuing a scientific discussion with a person who doesn't know the meaning of the word "theory". Sorry if that makes me "intolerant."
And another thing? As I've alluded to, homosexually being a "choice" is only even imaginable to a person who himself made a conscious "choice" to be straight. As if it's 50/50.
"I could either have sex with women, get married, have a family, live a relatively socially acceptable and easy life, OR I could CHOOSE to only suck dick and get buttfucked until my dying day. It's really a toss-up, but I'm gonna go with the sex with women thing, because Jesus prefers that one."
If that makes sense to you, guess what? You're gay.
If it is true, there is a proof attached to it. No proof has been attached to the THEORY of evolution. Your examples are shit dropped in an outhouse. When you find the MISSING LINK, let us know ans we can positively teach EVOLUTION as the truth. Until then, the belief in evolution takes faith. Oh. guess what else takes faith?(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V8SViAbGybw/UIHC2LfoDtI/AAAAAAAAA9s/RX-bcuDk5Dk/s1600/human%2Bskeleton%2Bevolution%2Bmanchester%2Bmuseum%2Bmy%2Bname%2Bis%2Bcharlotte.jpg)
You can't have your dick and eat it too.
Don't tell me it's a personal choice and people can do what they want in private and in the next breath laud somebody for "coming out" and call them courageous for talking publicly about this thing that was supposed to be private.
Tell yourself whatever you have to in order to console yourself and feel "enlightened." Fact remains that gayness is a deviation from the norm. It's a perversion of the natural order. It's sick. It's not something to be celebrated, honored, applauded, accepted or promoted.
It should be recognized as abhorrent. We should be looking for the cause and trying to find ways to eliminate it just like we would any other disease or defect.
If this guy thinks it's okay to put his pecker in another dude's butt and he can find another dude willing to engage in that perversion in private then that's fine. Same with RWS and his goats. Same with people whose wives let them spunk on their feet or in their hair. Same for dudes who can only get happy wearing a diaper or a coonskin cap. It becomes my problem and my business when those people feel the need to talk openly about it and demand equal rights for coonskin cap wearers.
I win
Still no missing link. Only and educated guess as to what happened during that time that there is no evidence. You do know what an educated guess is right? Not proof.I keep wanting to ignore your complete mongoloid ignorance, but I keep getting drawn back in.
See. You want to put me into a category of intolerance, yet you show no tolerance yourself on this subject. I have no problem with teaching the THEORY of evolution as long as you do not teach it as absolute truth AND you allow for the teaching of creationism also. Since neither one has been proven true or false, they are both valid options. Let students choose there own path.
But being a product of the liberal education system, you have been pushed, erroneously, toward believing that evolution is truth, when in fact it is not. Don't force your intolerant views on the masses.
Crap. i almost forgot. Gay is a sinful choice!
You've been told that "evolution is just a theory", a guess, a hunch, and not a fact, not proven. You've been misled. Keep reading, and in less than two minutes from now you'll know that you've been misinformed. We're not going to try and change your mind about evolution. We just want to point out that "it's just a theory" is not a valid argument.
The Theory of Evolution is a theory, but guess what? When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use. That's right, it all comes down to the multiple meanings of the word theory. If you said to a scientist that you didn't believe in evolution because it was "just a theory", they'd probably be a bit puzzled.
In everyday use, theory means a guess or a hunch, something that maybe needs proof. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.
Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works. In science, we collect facts, or observations, we use laws to describe them, and a theory to explain them. You don't promote a theory to a law by proving it. A theory never becomes a law.
This bears repeating. A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.
Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess. It's been tested. All our observations are supported by it, as well as its predictions that we've tested. Also, gravity is real! You can observe it for yourself. Just because it's real doesn't mean that the explanation is a law. The explanation, in scientific terms, is called a theory.
Evolution is the same. There's the fact of evolution. Evolution (genetic change over generations) happens, just like gravity does. Don't take my word for it. Ask your science teacher, or google it. But that's not the issue we are addressing here. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best explanation for the fact of evolution. It has been tested and scrutinised for over 150 years, and is supported by all the relevant observations.
Next time someone tries to tell you that evolution is just a theory, as a way of dismissing it, as if it's just something someone guessed at, remember that they're using the non-scientific meaning of the word. If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better. In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.
Evolution is not just a theory, it's triumphantly a theory!
Turn on NFL Network and they ask a different player the same question. He says, "Well, my partner and I got married last week, and we plan on spending out honeymoon volunteering in a third world country who needs a lot of help."
And there would be a large portion of America's population that would kill the guy if they could get away with it.
For fucks sake, we're 5 pages into this discussion and no one has asked the most obvious question: Which team has him at the top of their draft board; the Packers, Rams, or Browns?Probably the Dolphins.
I keep wanting to ignore your complete mongoloid ignorance, but I keep getting drawn back in.So, are you saying that if I theorize that you lick balls, it is so?
Evolution is a theory. In scientific terms, it is a fact.
Creationism is not a scientific theory. It is a "theory" as you understand the word, which is a wild-assed guess with zero evidence, zero scientific data to support it.
They are not on equal footing.
"Theories" 101, since you still fail to understand.
http://www.notjustatheory.com/ (http://www.notjustatheory.com/)
And another thing? As I've alluded to, homosexually being a "choice" is only even imaginable to a person who himself made a conscious "choice" to be straight. As if it's 50/50.
"I could either have sex with women, get married, have a family, live a relatively socially acceptable and easy life, OR I could CHOOSE to only suck richard and get buttfudgeed until my dying day. It's really a toss-up, but I'm gonna go with the sex with women thing, because Jesus prefers that one."
If that makes sense to you, guess what? You're gay.
White girls can marry and procreate with black guys. It's a private matter. But at one point in time, it was courageous for participating in that type of relationship out in the open. People gave them a hard time. Some people said it was unnatural. Some said it was unholy. That God never meant for races to mix. Some ridiculed them. Some even physically harmed them.
The fact is - interracial couples were taking a risk by admitting to and publicly participating in such a relationship. It's the exact same story today with gay people.
Sieg heil!
Those equal rights are being demanded solely for what goes on in their private homes. Not all of them are running around in S&M outfits and sucking richard in public. The majority of them are just sitting at home enjoying 99% of the things you and I enjoy. It just so happens that they feel attracted to a member of the same sex and have found someone who reciprocates that attraction.
I could turn on NFL Network today and see a player being interviewed. The journalist could ask, "What're your plans for this offseason?" He could say, "My girlfriend and I decided got married last week, and in a few weeks, we're going to spend a few hundred thousands dollars on a honeymoon in some exotic third world country that has a few pristine places to cater to our wants and desires."
No one would bat an eye.
Turn on NFL Network and they ask a different player the same question. He says, "Well, my partner and I got married last week, and we plan on spending out honeymoon volunteering in a third world country who needs a lot of help."
And there would be a large portion of America's population that would kill the guy if they could get away with it.
I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade. That's what the Pharisees would do. From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community. They are sinners. That puts them on even ground with you and me. Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin. That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance. Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance. Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin? But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them. I need grace, just like they do. And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.
I am trying my hardest to stay on point and not delve off into a macro-evolution vs creationism debate, so I'll leave that alone for now.
Yoda's old college roommate and best friend is gay. What they did behind closed doors is not for me to speculate. However, as their next-door neighbor I was there when he came out of the closet in 2002. I spent a lot of time with him picking his brain on when he knew he was gay and all that came along with his decision to finally give in.
Prior to coming out he'd had a girlfriend for 4 years. Granted, she was crazy as hell so if anything she probably helped prod him the other direction. But he told me that he knew he was different in elementary school. He knew he was attracted to boys at an early age and it wasn't something he wanted. He tried to change himself. It's not something he wanted for himself. The guilt and shame he felt because of this is unimaginable. But the way you treat someone who is overcome with guilt and shame is not by putting more guilt and shame on them.
I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade. That's what the Pharisees would do. From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community. They are sinners. That puts them on even ground with you and me. Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin. That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance. Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance. Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin? But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them. I need grace, just like they do. And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.
I don't really give a rats ass what you decide to hammer with. Just don't try to convince me it is a hammer if it is not.
You've had gay people try to convince you that their asshole was a pussy?
Don't tell me it's a personal choice and people can do what they want in private and in the next breath laud somebody for "coming out" and call them courageous for talking publicly about this thing that was supposed to be private.
Tell yourself whatever you have to in order to console yourself and feel "enlightened." Fact remains that gayness is a deviation from the norm. It's a perversion of the natural order. It's sick. It's not something to be celebrated, honored, applauded, accepted or promoted.
If this guy thinks it's okay to put his pecker in another dude's butt and he can find another dude willing to engage in that perversion in private then that's fine. Same with RWS and his goats. Same with people whose wives let them spunk on their feet or in their hair. Same for dudes who can only get happy wearing a diaper or a coonskin cap. It becomes my problem and my business when those people feel the need to talk openly about it and demand equal rights for coonskin cap wearers.
Life was harsh in early Old Testament times. The wanderings and struggle for survival of the Israelites did not permit prisons or rehabilitation. Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death or exiled. The Old Testament prescribed the death penalty for the crimes of murder, attacking or cursing a parent, kidnapping, failure to confine a dangerous animal resulting in death, witchcraft and sorcery, sex with an animal, doing work on the Sabbath, incest, adultery, homosexual acts, prostitution by a priest's daughter, blasphemy, false prophecy, perjury in capital cases and false claim of a woman's virginity at the time of marriage. christianbiblereference.orgTL,DR .....Just get to it. Did you just come out of the closet too?
I consider myself a Christian...one that needs a ton of work. However, the above statement comes from a piece that points out so many of our perceptions of "right and wrong" according to the Bible, have to be taken in light of the times in which they were written. Corinthians tells us to be kind to our slaves. Are you going to take that literally or use the parts of the Bible that suit your argument? Many of the terms used (Those used in actually writing the Bible) to reference homosexual acts, are in reality translated to describe things going on during that time, for example, men having young boys as sex slaves. The bottom line is if you strayed from what was considered the norm, it was an "abomination"...a sin...and you could very well be put to death.
Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality. That is a choice. Is it right or wrong? Don't know and don't care. Just pointing out that someone who is secure in knowing who they are and decides to tryout for the other team is making a choice. It's not a choice for someone who has lived their entire life knowing they were attracted to the same sex in the exact same way I am attracted to a woman. I don't need science to prove anything to me with regard to that and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.
and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.
Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death
You've had gay people try to convince you that their asshole was a pussy?
Now Kalvarez Bessent is gay?
Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality.
That and sex with Ogre.Been my experienceI've heard that most women are just one line of blow from their first/next lesbian experience.
Been my experienceI've heard that most women are just one line of blow from their first/next lesbian experience.
If you are gonna get all Biblically technical on us, that would have been a Saturday back then. J/S
Y'all are nuts
Just don't put us in your mouth, or you can't go to Heaven.
This isn't about sex, Kaos, it's about trust!
Now having said that, my personal view is that there is a big difference in someone who truly is emotionally, physically and sexually attracted to the same sex and someone who decides to "experiment" in bisexuality. That is a choice. Is it right or wrong? Don't know and don't care. Just pointing out that someone who is secure in knowing who they are and decides to tryout for the other team is making a choice. It's not a choice for someone who has lived their entire life knowing they were attracted to the same sex in the exact same way I am attracted to a woman. I don't need science to prove anything to me with regard to that and I don't need anyone interpreting the Bible for me to tell me someone is going to hell, especially when they faced the same punishment for working on Sunday as they did for screwing farm animals.
I am having a difficult time understanding how and when all of you started liking to suck rooster. I mean, I don't doubt it. I could tell this place had its fair share of the gays but didn't know it was this rampant.No shit! I'm going to cut back on my boozing at the X-gates from here on out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsnlTZG84Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsnlTZG84Y#)Classic!
No shit! I'm going to cut back on my boozing at the X-gates from here on out.
I am trying my hardest to stay on point and not delve off into a macro-evolution vs creationism debate, so I'll leave that alone for now.
Yoda's old college roommate and best friend is gay. What they did behind closed doors is not for me to speculate. However, as their next-door neighbor I was there when he came out of the closet in 2002. I spent a lot of time with him picking his brain on when he knew he was gay and all that came along with his decision to finally give in.
Prior to coming out he'd had a girlfriend for 4 years. Granted, she was crazy as hell so if anything she probably helped prod him the other direction. But he told me that he knew he was different in elementary school. He knew he was attracted to boys at an early age and it wasn't something he wanted. He tried to change himself. It's not something he wanted for himself. The guilt and shame he felt because of this is unimaginable. But the way you treat someone who is overcome with guilt and shame is not by putting more guilt and shame on them.
I've read the Bible a few times now, and I don't think Jesus would be picketing a gay pride parade. That's what the Pharisees would do. From a Christian perspective (and we fail miserably as a group at this) we are to love and serve our friends in the gay community. They are sinners. That puts them on even ground with you and me. Romans 3:23 says ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The issue with many Christians is that they dislike the sin of homosexuality more than they dislike their own sin. That's not to say that they shouldn't ultimately be called to repentance. Eventually it becomes a matter of allegiance. Am I going to be allegiant to God or allegiant to my sin? But someone won't be open to a true relationship with their Creator if all those who profess him as Lord heap nothing but guilt, shame and scorn on them. I need grace, just like they do. And the great news is that grace is provided if it's sought.
To clarify Ogre is the only one that slept in the same bed as gay roommate.I didn't get past the part about Ogre sleeping with your gay roommate. I really don't need to know anymore than that.
To the point, God creates all of us in my opinion. He creates killers, drug dealers, rapists, straight people and good people. It will never be explained why people are who they are. My parents raised me with good ethics and morals I try to make the best decisions I can. I don't always make the right ones. I don't believe that all gays choose to be gay although done probably do.
Does it really fudgeing matter. Do all murders choose to kill? Are some born with an evil spirit that drives them? Whatever the answer we still have to live amount those people. We may not like it and one day may have to make a decision or stance on it. But what is the big deal about a fudgeing football player announcing he us gay? There are gay people everywhere.
Whether it's a choice or not ( I don't believe it is choice for most) how does it effect us straight folks? Not getting into the politics behind it, that is a different argument.
I didn't read everyone's thoughts on the matter, but IMO...he sure does love running, and wearing tight shorts...He looks good in this design. I wish I could wear something like this but I have no idea what I would do with my dick.
http://youtu.be/z9ezE7QTk2o (http://youtu.be/z9ezE7QTk2o)
He looks good in this design. I wish I could wear something like this but I have no idea what I would do with my dick.
He looks good in this design. I wish I could wear something like this but I have no idea what I would do with my dick.
Put it in Michael's butt?
Put it in Michael's butt?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FShE0VifCYs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FShE0VifCYs#)