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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: ssgaufan on January 29, 2014, 11:24:43 AM
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Do you think he'll retire if the Broncos win?
1. Manning will retire if he wins
This, from Peyton Manning, when asked if this is his last game, sounds logical. It makes sense. It's smart:
"I know that there have been a number of players who have walked away as champions," Manning said. "I’m sure that it is a great feeling for those people. John Elway. Ray Lewis did it last year. And Michael Strahan. In talking to Ray Lewis, and talking to John Elway, they couldn’t play anymore. It was all they had to give. They truly left it all out there. I certainly had a career change two years ago with my injury and with changing teams. I’ve been truly on a one-year-at-a-time basis.
"So, I really have no plans beyond this game. I had no plans, coming into this season, beyond this year. I think that it is the healthy way to approach your career at this stage. I still enjoy playing football. I feel a little better than I thought I would at this point, coming off that surgery. I still enjoy the preparation part of it, the work part of it. Everybody enjoys the games. Everybody is going to be excited to play in a Super Bowl. When you still enjoy the preparation and the work part of it, I think you ought to be still doing that. I think as soon as I stop enjoying it, if I can’t produce, if I can’t help a team, that’s when I will stop playing. If that’s next year, then maybe it is. I certainly want to continue to keep playing."
Typical Manning: smart, measured, on point. It's also bull.
I don't believe it for a second, and I can tell you few people around the NFL believe it. Almost everyone thinks Manning is gone if he wins and plays well in the victory. In fact, many believe Manning is gone, win or lose.
The belief around football is that Manning is saying he hasn't made up his mind because he doesn't want to be the story of Super Bowl week. Imagine the pressure on the Broncos if Manning came out and said, "Yeah, I'm gone after this, dude. See ya." It would be one of the biggest stories in Super Bowl history. Manning is a lot smarter than that.
Manning, maybe more than any other player I've interviewed (with the possible exception of Jim Brown), understands history. He understands the optics of how things look. He knows how hard it is to reach a Super Bowl and that the odds of reaching consecutive Super Bowls are even higher.
Optics and history—Manning gets both. If he wins this Super Bowl, it's likely a significant number of media and others will say he's the best ever (I think it's John Elway or Tom Brady, but I digress). He'd go out on a super high. It would be almost impossible to duplicate
I gotta say, I am pulling for Manning and the Broncos. I like watching Peyton play, and he has never been in any trouble since being in the league. He's one of the better ones IMO.
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I have man-love for Manning. Never been a huge fan of the Colts or Broncos but I've never seen a QB that does what he does. Total control. Sees everything and literally directs every player on every play.
Plus, he's done some hilarious commercials and his SNL United Way skit is in my top 10.
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I've got a huge case of the meh with Peyton. Hate Eli completely. But I've never ever thought Peyton belonged in the same category as Elway, Marino, Montana etc.
He's better in commercials and on SNL but I've never once been awed by his game.
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The greatest quarterbacks to ever play the professional game were John Unitas, Joe Montana, and Dan Marino.
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The greatest quarterbacks to ever play the professional game were John Unitas, Joe Montana, and Dan Marino.
Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
( 7 combined super bowl rings)
slightly disagree with you.
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The greatest quarterbacks to ever play the professional game were Bobby Herbert, Archie Manning, and Chris Jim Everett.
Fixed for Saints Fans.
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Talent level near equal or with slightly less I will take Tom Brady every time in that one game best against best.
*Check out NFL Films' Unitas clip as he walks from the field after having beaten the Giants in the 1958 Championship Game. All he lacks is a lunch pail.
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I've got a huge case of the meh with Peyton.
I've never once been awed by his game.
Gotta say, you're a tough critic, and in a small minority as best I can tell at least on the second part. To each his own.
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Gotta say, you're a tough critic, and in a small minority as best I can tell at least on the second part. To each his own.
Yeah he might be operating at about 80% of his former arm strength but the sob can get the ball away to a receiver and catch him on a break as good as it's EVER been done in the history of the game.
Marino might have turned it loose as well at full strength.
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I think Elway always deserves to at least be in the discussion on who is/was the best. The guy was money in the clutch and had the added dimension of being able to hurt you with the run, something missing from just about all the others named.
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I think Elway always deserves to at least be in the discussion on who is/was the best. The guy was money in the clutch and had the added dimension of being able to hurt you with the run, something missing from just about all the others named.
Yes, he's definitely top five. I've established that upon just now saying it.
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I've always liked Manning as a person and a QB. I certainly will be pulling for him. Concerning his retirement, I hope he will if he wins.
Depends on what the docs say but I think he's had enough surgeries that we can determine football isn't gonna help his neck. He's done enough.
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I've always liked Manning as a person and a QB. I certainly will be pulling for him. Concerning his retirement, I hope he will if he wins.
Depends on what the docs say but I think he's had enough surgeries that we can determine football isn't gonna help his neck. He's done enough.
Yes he will do very well in the booth and give us more commercials we like.
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Gotta say, you're a tough critic, and in a small minority as best I can tell at least on the second part. To each his own.
He's a 1 percenter.
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Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
( 7 combined super bowl rings)
slightly disagree with you.
This is defined as the AJ McTatthole Defense -- As in 'AJ done got hisself three rangs, ya dumass, thass how come he thu bestest quarterbuck what ever done did play this here cawlledge football game an why come he gonna be a furst pick inna draft'
It is therefore ruled invalid and you have been disbarred by the council on posting.
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I've always liked Manning as a person and a QB. I certainly will be pulling for him. Concerning his retirement, I hope he will if he wins.
Depends on what the docs say but I think he's had enough surgeries that we can determine football isn't gonna help his neck. He's done enough.
Will do great in a the booth and give us commercials we like.
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Re-post just because it cracks me up.
http://youtu.be/wkiS5px0P0I (http://youtu.be/wkiS5px0P0I)
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Gotta say, you're a tough critic, and in a small minority as best I can tell at least on the second part. To each his own.
Peyton has never once put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a win in a critical game the way the true greats have.
More often than not, unfortunately for his legacy, Peyton (and his team) chokes on big stages.
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This is defined as the AJ McTatthole Defense -- As in 'AJ done got hisself three rangs, ya dumass, thass how come he thu bestest quarterbuck what ever done did play this here cawlledge football game an why come he gonna be a furst pick inna draft'
It is therefore ruled invalid and you have been disbarred by the council on posting.
Agree that neither of those two should be in the discussion.
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Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
( 7 combined super bowl rings)
slightly disagree with you.
It's not just about rings or trophies, bud.
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Vot about Rocky Marciano?
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Peyton has never once put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a win in a critical game the way the true greats have.
More often than not, unfortunately for his legacy, Peyton (and his team) chokes on big stages.
It's mostly about his teams.
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Peyton has never once put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a win in a critical game the way the true greats have.
More often than not, unfortunately for his legacy, Peyton (and his team) chokes on big stages.
Sorry brother disagree.
40 fourth quarter comebacks, 51 game-winning drives
He leads over all QBs in both these stats. (edit Tied with Marino for 51 GWD)
Peyton leads in almost every statistical category in the NFL dude is a legend whether he wins this Superbowl or not. Ask Marino about his Superbowl rings.
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Omaha
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Sorry brother disagree.
40 fourth quarter comebacks, 51 game-winning drives
He leads over all QBs in both these stats. (edit Tied with Marino for 51 GWD)
Peyton leads in almost every statistical category in the NFL dude is a legend whether he wins this Superbowl or not. Ask Marino about his Superbowl rings.
How many of those games mattered?
Until he finally got to the Super Bowl a few years ago he was known as a choke artist.
That's what sticks with me.
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How many of those games mattered?
Until he finally got to the Super Bowl a few years ago he was known as a choke artist.
That's what sticks with me.
Ok so Super Bowl rings do matter than? Because a few threads back you dismissed someone else's choices because they had a bunch of Super Bowl rings but those don't matter.
I'm just trying to figure out what we are gaging legacy by.
He has more rings than Marino, who you wouldn't lump him in with.
BTW I am a huge Marino fan. Peyton is and deserves to be in the discussion of greatest ever NFL QB (at this point)
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It's mostly about his teams.
Cause Montana and Elway had really shitty teams.
Jerry Rice... Ronnie Lott...Terrell Davis...
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It's not just about rings or trophies, bud.
Then what is it about? Winners Win and the rest lose. I'd take either TB or TA over DM any day.
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Then what is it about? Winners Win and the rest lose. I'd take either TB or TA over DM any day.
Troy Aikman had the best of it all. FUCK HIM!
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Troy Aikman had the best of it all. FUCK HIM!
Big Aikman fan, are ya'?
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Big Aikman fan, are ya'?
I'll give him top 15 1/2.
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Troy Aikman had the best of it all. FUCK HIM!
Not gonna argue that, great supporting players, great coaching (most of his tenure). And he won games and three Super Bowls. He didn't fuck it up.
You may not like him, which many don't, but you can't argue his success.
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Not gonna argue that, great supporting players, great coaching (most of his tenure). And he won games and three Super Bowls. He didn't fuck it up.
You may not like him, which many don't, but you can't argue his success.
I was always a fan of the Boys. And I liked Dallas too. This was the one period where they fell from grace with me. Didn't dislike Aikman but the surrounding cast put sand in my vagina. And I don't know if I'll ever really pull for them again until Jerry Jones is out of the picture.
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I was always a fan of the Boys. And I liked Dallas too. This was the one period where they fell from grace with me. Didn't dislike Aikman but the surrounding cast put sand in my vagina. And I don't know if I'll ever really pull for them again until Jerry Jones is out of the picture.
I'll try harder.
They were cocky but it was a time when they were winning and nobody around here gave two shits what they did as long as they were winning. (See turd town) Jimmy Johnson left and the house of cards started to crumble and folks were getting pissed.
Jimmy Johnson had as much to do with anybody who won rings as they did. Barry came in and fell deep into the most talented team of the time and did his best to fuck it up and still won.
Jerry Jones is a cancer on and for the team. As long as he holds owner/general manager I would love to see them go 0/16 every year.
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I'm kind of partial to the likes of Elway, Marino, Montana, etc. Also, I have never been a Peyton Manning fan really I guess because of his days with the Vols. However, the guy belongs in the "greats" catagory because, like said, he is one of the ultimate students of the game and it shows at game time. Got to give credit where credit is due.
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Peyton has never once put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a win in a critical game the way the true greats have.
More often than not, unfortunately for his legacy, Peyton (and his team) chokes on big stages.
You are nuts...
Peyton Manning IS the reason that the Broncos are where they are right now.
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You are nuts...
Peyton Manning IS the reason that the Broncos are where they are right now.
Most assuredly. No better than any borderline qualifier without him. Couldn't make it with Russell Wilson.
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Ok so Super Bowl rings do matter than? Because a few threads back you dismissed someone else's choices because they had a bunch of Super Bowl rings but those don't matter.
I'm just trying to figure out what we are gaging legacy by.
He has more rings than Marino, who you wouldn't lump him in with.
BTW I am a huge Marino fan. Peyton is and deserves to be in the discussion of greatest ever NFL QB (at this point)
I don't know. The eye test I guess.
Super Bowl rings matter to an extent, but so does choking when it matters. Before this season he was 9-11 in playoff games. He'd thrown for 32 TDs but also had 21 picks in the playoffs.
He could have sent Ray Lewis out last year with a big fat L on his murdering resume, but he choked and threw a Tony Romo pick deep in Raven territory that killed a drive and let Baltimore come back and win.
He's just never done that much for me. Always seemed like a regular season guy who pffftt'ed at critical times.
You've got people like Big Papi -- love Big Papi -- who turn it on in the post-season. I don't care what he does in the regular season, I want him in the lineup when the playoffs begin. And then there are guys like Andruw Jones who tear it up during the season but fade in the playoffs. Jones was something like 1-17 in the 2003 playoffs for Atlanta.
Peyton's always been that to me. A good regular season guy, but not the player I want when my team is in the playoffs. Regular season stats are great. But how do you play when marbles are at stake?
Give me warriors like Favre and Montana. Heck, even Drunken Stabler, Goofy Bradshaw or Steve Young.
I'm sure Peyton will get in the HoF. I'll yawn when it happens. Don't misunderstand, I like the guy. Had the chance to talk to him after the Vols beat the Turds at Legion and he led the band. Nice guy. Came away impressed. But greatest of all time? There's a big line ahead of him IMO. Not sure he can see the front from where he stands.
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Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
( 7 combined super bowl rings)
slightly disagree with you.
this is almost as retarded as Kaos' assessment.
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Marino, Montana, Elway, Manning, Aikman, Starr, Baugh, Unitas, Staubach, Young, Farve, Brady...
These are the Elite HOF QBs, IMO. Marino is my favorite among all of them.
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Troy Aikman
Terry Bradshaw
( 7 combined super bowl rings)
slightly disagree with you.
Look up Bradshaw's stats....very average. Was on great teams with great defenses.
Aikman was good but not great. Staubach was great. Elway, Unitas and Young too.
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I don't know. The eye test I guess.
Super Bowl rings matter to an extent, but so does choking when it matters. Before this season he was 9-11 in playoff games. He'd thrown for 32 TDs but also had 21 picks in the playoffs.
He could have sent Ray Lewis out last year with a big fat L on his murdering resume, but he choked and threw a Tony Romo pick deep in Raven territory that killed a drive and let Baltimore come back and win.
He's just never done that much for me. Always seemed like a regular season guy who pffftt'ed at critical times.
You've got people like Big Papi -- love Big Papi -- who turn it on in the post-season. I don't care what he does in the regular season, I want him in the lineup when the playoffs begin. And then there are guys like Andruw Jones who tear it up during the season but fade in the playoffs. Jones was something like 1-17 in the 2003 playoffs for Atlanta.
Peyton's always been that to me. A good regular season guy, but not the player I want when my team is in the playoffs. Regular season stats are great. But how do you play when marbles are at stake?
Give me warriors like Favre and Montana. Heck, even Drunken Stabler, Goofy Bradshaw or Steve Young.
I'm sure Peyton will get in the HoF. I'll yawn when it happens. Don't misunderstand, I like the guy. Had the chance to talk to him after the Vols beat the Turds at Legion and he led the band. Nice guy. Came away impressed. But greatest of all time? There's a big line ahead of him IMO. Not sure he can see the front from where he stands.
Peyton was also asked to do the most in many of those scenarios with the least amount of supporting cast around him. Easy to label a guy in that situation as a choker when he fails. And he will fail sometimes.....hes human. Denver has been dominant with him. They haven't looked this good since Elway left. And Peyton is why. Does anyone remember what Indy was before him? The good ole 1-15 Jeff George days.
The guy is good. From his stats, his wins, the superbowls (1 maybe 2 after this weekend), to the way he directs traffic on the field and reads defenses like a book on the fly.
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Peyton was also asked to do the most in many of those scenarios with the least amount of supporting cast around him. Easy to label a guy in that situation as a choker when he fails. And he will fail sometimes.....hes human. Denver has been dominant with him. They haven't looked this good since Elway left. And Peyton is why. Does anyone remember what Indy was before him? The good ole 1-15 Jeff George days.
The guy is good. From his stats, his wins, the superbowls (1 maybe 2 after this weekend), to the way he directs traffic on the field and reads defenses like a book on the fly.
Seriously? Most with least?
Hall of Fame receiver in Indy. Outstanding OL. Durable running backs. Defense that progressed. Peyton alone led them to an 3-13 season despite having Marshall Faulk in the backfield. Threw for a ton of yards, but also had like 30 interceptions or something. It was nearly two a game, I remember that. The Colts didn't get better until they added the pieces to the puzzle. Reggie Wayne. Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney and most often overlooked, Dungy.
Even then, Peyton stunk it up in a 41-0 playoff loss to the awful Jets.
Brady beat him pretty much every time it mattered until this most recent playoff win.
Played like crap in his second Super Bowl appearance and got ram-rodded by the 'Aints. Who loses in the Super Bowl to the 'Aints? It would be like somebody letting Mississippi State win the BCS Title. Raw suckage.
Don't pretend that Peyton didn't have a good supporting cast. For most of his career he's had better support than almost any QB on the list.
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Vot about Rocky Marciano?
Rocky Marciano ain't shit.
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Rocky Marciano ain't shit.
He beat Joe Louis' ass.
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Seriously? Most with least?
Hall of Fame receiver in Indy. Outstanding OL. Durable running backs. Defense that progressed. Peyton alone led them to an 3-13 season despite having Marshall Faulk in the backfield. Threw for a ton of yards, but also had like 30 interceptions or something. It was nearly two a game, I remember that. The Colts didn't get better until they added the pieces to the puzzle. Reggie Wayne. Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney and most often overlooked, Dungy.
Even then, Peyton stunk it up in a 41-0 playoff loss to the awful Jets.
Brady beat him pretty much every time it mattered until this most recent playoff win.
Played like crap in his second Super Bowl appearance and got ram-rodded by the 'Aints. Who loses in the Super Bowl to the 'Aints? It would be like somebody letting Mississippi State win the BCS Title. Raw suckage.
Don't pretend that Peyton didn't have a good supporting cast. For most of his career he's had better support than almost any QB on the list.
Compared to Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman, no.
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He beat Joe Louis' ass.
He did beat Joe Loius' ass
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He did beat Joe Loius' ass
But what about Joe Lewis?