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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: AUownsU on June 10, 2013, 11:53:03 PM
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...who also happens to be the judge your dumbass is in front of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ArawVqsbM
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I'd let her strike my gavel, you know what I'm saying?
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I think she kind of overreacted.
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I think she kind of overreacted.
I do too. I think she was just looking for an excuse to go off on him and not agree to the plea deal. To me, and I may have taken it wrong, but when she told Johnson that his attorney did an excellent job for him she was telling him that she didn't think he deserved his plea deal.
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I think she kind of overreacted.
Very much so. Stupid whore.
She needs alkyhol and dick badly.
So now a judge can change their decision based off of what they think your intent was as it relates to some thing that has nothing to do with the case??? Defendants always make gestures when a decision or sentence is read. It's an emotional time. Fuck her.
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Chad I Am A Media Whore Desperate To Stay Relevant Johnson has been pulling shit like this his whole life. I personally hate it when "famous" people get away with causing personal injury to someone because of who they are. If one of you guys had headbutted your girlfriend, and broken her nose, you would not have been even offered a plea deal that was so sweet it made you want to slap your attorney on the ass.
It might have been an over reaction, but not an undeserved one, if you ask me. And he sent out a tweet about it after he was booked, so yeah, hard time...
It's just like Lindsey Lohan. That judge needs to nut up and send Lindz off to jail - REAL jail - for significant time. It is only a matter of time before she drives under the influence of lord knows what and kills or seriously injures something besides a parked car.
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Chad I Am A Media Whore Desperate To Stay Relevant Johnson has been pulling shit like this his whole life. I personally hate it when "famous" people get away with causing personal injury to someone because of who they are. If one of you guys had headbutted your girlfriend, and broken her nose, you would not have been even offered a plea deal that was so sweet it made you want to slap your attorney on the ass.
It might have been an over reaction, but not an undeserved one, if you ask me. And he sent out a tweet about it after he was booked, so yeah, hard time...
This.....fuck him, he's a baby.
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I spent a lot of time defending Ochocinco. He's one of those personalities that you either love or hate. Similar to Cam, although, obviously, more blatantly pompous. I always thought he was funny though.
Then he beat the shit out of his common law wife or whatever, and there's not much more defending I can do.
That being said, this is another 50/50 issue. He probably should have had a more severe punishment to begin with. Also, he probably should have been on his Ps & Qs in the courtroom considering the gravity of the situation.
However, I believe that the judge overreacted, and he's not on trial for tapping his lawyer on the ass.
Also, I believe that the slap on the ass, was a genuine reflexive "atta-boy" for a lifelong professional football player, and not necessarily meant as a mockery.
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Gregg Doyel: Right about everything, always.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/22388429/go-to-jail-chad-johnson
Go to jail, Chad Johnson
June 11, 2013 10:58 am ET
The judge in the Chad Johnson case might well have gone too far, but you know what? She went too far in the right direction by sentencing him to 30 days in jail after he tried to turn her courtroom -- a place where justice is dispensed on behalf of domestic violence victims -- into a locker room.
Domestic violence is no joke, Chad Johnson.
That's what Broward (Fla.) County Judge Kathleen McHugh was saying when she changed her mind on his jail-free sentence within seconds of his stupid display of locker room foolishness by patting his attorney playfully on the rump. Want to be playful, Chad Johnson? Be playful with your kids. Be playful with the mother of your kids.
Don't be playful with a judge who oversees cases of domestic violence.
My father is one of those judges, or was. Judge Robert L. Doyel retired a few years ago after 16 years on the bench, most of them overseeing the domestic violence division in his central Florida region. He didn't want to go into that division, not at first. Too depressing, he said. The days were monstrous. It took a toll to see a steady line of jerks coming in, people accused of beating or skipping out on their husband or wife, their boyfriend or girlfriend, their children.
Over time, you couldn't drag my dad out of that courtroom. He saw the need for people like him, and he didn't run from that need out of self-preservation. He stayed. The days remained depressing. The perps remained monstrous.
The job needed to be done.
So if you're asking me whether I think Judge Kathleen McHugh got it right when she hammered Chad Johnson, I would tell you: No, probably not. She probably was too harsh.
But you know what? Justice is almost never perfect. We want it to be, absolutely. You hope it is. But who's perfect? How is that possible? Perfection in almost any area isn't possible, so this is what I tell my children when it comes to studying for tests or learning to drive or countless other examples of real life:
You want your judgment to be perfect -- but if you're going to fail, fail on the right side. Study too long for a test. Be too careful in the car. Be too nice to people at school.
And if you're a judge, and an idiot like Chad Johnson tries to turn your courtroom of broken lives into a locker room of butt-slapping adolescence, make a mistake on the right side. If you're going to be too anything, be too harsh. Not too lenient.
Teach Chad Johnson a lesson. Teach everyone who hears about his story a lesson.
Domestic violence is not a joke. Don't strike anyone, Chad Johnson. Not your attorney's butt in happiness. And not your wife's head in anger -- you cowardly, woman-beating fool.
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However, I believe that the judge overreacted, and he's not on trial for tapping his lawyer on the ass.
Also, I believe that the slap on the ass, was a genuine reflexive "atta-boy" for a lifelong professional football player, and not necessarily meant as a mockery.
This ^^^ is my take.
In bad taste? Sure. But she was looking for a reason. It's pretty obvious.
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He was there in the first place for hitting someone. And while he is in court... he hits someone. Playful though he may have thought it to be - wrong place, asshole.
Doyle was 100% spot on correct.
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This motherfucker knew the deal he was getting before he went into that court room. The celebratory butt pat wasn't because he was excited by the great news, it was because he wanted to continue to be a dickhead. You want to play grab-ass in a court room because you received a no time served sentence after whipping a woman's ass? Fuck you, you piece of shit coward. I hope he gets his ass whipped in jail to the point that he's not able to play any sport ever again.
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He got the reaction he wanted from everyone in the courtroom....except the Judge.
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In bad taste? Sure. But she was looking for a reason. It's pretty obvious.
Very obvious.
She didn't initially have a problem with it until everyone else in the courtroom, including her own damn bailiffs, decided to laugh.
I didn't see a laugh, smile, or so much as a smirk from Ochocinco when he did it or afterward. He even attempted to tell her that it was not his intention to make everyone laugh.
Had he turned to his attorney and said, "Thank you, you did a great job," there wouldn't have been any issue. But after he slapped the guy on the ass, something that he's been used to doing as a sign of respect/praise/thanks since high school athletics, he gets his terms of probation revoked because of the reaction of the courtroom. Not his reaction or his demeanor, but the courtroom.
I know, I know...Ochocinco has a flair for the dramatic. But that's exactly why I don't think he intended to do (or even did) anything wrong in this instance. Nothing he did was dramatic. He never laughed or did anything disrespectful or disruptive to the court's process. He didn't pull a magic marker from his rectum and put his signature on the judge's stationary for his attorney. Yet she attempts to explain that he's not taking the process seriously because everyone else in the courtroom is laughing (1:40 - 1:51 in the video).
He turned to his attorney with a serious look on his face, lightly patted his ass, and said, "Thank you."
If domestic relations court is so somber and serious that nothing should distract from the severity of the crimes being adjudicated, then the judge should not congratulate an attorney for doing a great job in the midst of explaining the plea deal to the defendant. And the bailiffs should definitely not laugh at things that occur in the courtroom.
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You guys are out of your freaking minds if you don't think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Overreaction by the Judge aside, he absolutely did it on purpose and realized what he was doing. Guy is the epitome of a class clown.
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You guys are out of your freaking minds if you don't think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Overreaction by the Judge aside, he absolutely did it on purpose and realized what he was doing. Guy is the epitome of a class clown.
I get that he's a class clown, but I'm still not convinced that this was his intention in this instance. I can't guarantee what was going through his mind, but he didn't even as much as smile when he did it.
You're talking about a professional athlete who's been slapping dude's asses for decades. No, the courtroom is not a playing field, but some things just happen as a reflex.
Ask yourself this: Had he patted his attorney on the back and said thank you, would she have been pissed? Probably not.
And it looked as if she wasn't even pissed when he initially patted him on the ass. It was only after the court's reaction that she blew a gasket. That's what bothers me the most. His actions weren't seen as disrespectful or disruptive when they occurred; it was the courtroom's reaction, including the bailiffs' reactions, that wound up getting him in trouble.
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You guys are out of your freaking minds if you don't think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Overreaction by the Judge aside, he absolutely did it on purpose and realized what he was doing. Guy is the epitome of a class clown.
Double hell yes. And if there is one thing that I hate is a guy who thinks he's funny making wiseass remarks all of the time, trying to gain the approval of those in his presence. You know, a guy who thinks he's a smarty pants and all and is really a complete dumb ass.
Those guys who did that while I was intently studying my higher math course or world geography, poopy on all of them. It wasn't funny then and it's not funny now. Jackasses.
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I get that he's a class clown, but I'm still not convinced that this was his intention in this instance. I can't guarantee what was going through his mind, but he didn't even as much as smile when he did it.
You're talking about a professional athlete who's been slapping dude's asses for decades. No, the courtroom is not a playing field, but some things just happen as a reflex.
Ask yourself this: Had he patted his attorney on the back and said thank you, would she have been pissed? Probably not.
And it looked as if she wasn't even pissed when he initially patted him on the ass. It was only after the court's reaction that she blew a gasket. That's what bothers me the most. His actions weren't seen as disrespectful or disruptive when they occurred; it was the courtroom's reaction, including the bailiffs' reactions, that wound up getting him in trouble.
Fuck Him! He wants to act like a big man and whip up on a woman, there should've never been a fucking plea deal for him. Fuck our court system and all these fucking plea's to help guilty motherfuckers avoid serving any real time.
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I didn't get all the details of the crime. Did Ocho have to tell a bitch more than once?
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You guys are out of your freaking minds if you don't think he knew exactly what he was doing.
Overreaction by the Judge aside, he absolutely did it on purpose and realized what he was doing. Guy is the epitome of a class clown.
Well sure he did it on purpose. We're not saying his hand spontaneously moved on its own.
Like vv said, she didn't seem to care until the whole damned court room laughed. She was embarrassed.
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Fuck Him! He wants to act like a big man and whip up on a woman, there should've never been a fucking plea deal for him. Fuck our court system and all these fucking plea's to help guilty motherfuckers avoid serving any real time.
That's an entire different issue in and of itself, and generally speaking, I'd have to agree with you.
But if the court has a system set up where plea deals can be arranged, I don't think something as small and as (apparently) unintentional as this should cause that plea deal to be revoked. Again, especially not when the judge's repeated reason for revoking the plea deal is because of the reactions of other people in the courtroom.
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If domestic relations court is so somber and serious that nothing should distract from the severity of the crimes being adjudicated, then the judge should not congratulate an attorney for doing a great job in the midst of explaining the plea deal to the defendant. And the bailiffs should definitely not laugh at things that occur in the courtroom.
It was my impression that this was more "Your attorney did a damn good job..." with a hefty dose of :sarcasm:. More like "You better appreciate what this mofo did for you, because this is a better deal than you deserve". His only response should have been a sincere "Yes ma'am." The thank you could have even waited until he was outside the court room. And when he acted the clown, she lowered the boom.
That's his problem - he NEVER thinks. Betcha he thinks a little harder next time before he does something stupid.
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It was my impression that this was more "Your attorney did a damn good job..." with a hefty dose of :sarcasm:. More like "You better appreciate what this mofo did for you, because this is a better deal than you deserve". His only response should have been a sincere "Yes ma'am." The thank you could have even waited until he was outside the court room. And when he acted the clown, she lowered the boom.
That's his problem - he NEVER thinks. Betcha he thinks a little harder next time before he does something stupid.
While I agree he is an asshole and it was most def in bad taste, I can't rightly say she wasn't being in just as bad taste as him for saying what she did.
She makes a smartassed remark about his attorney to him. He quips to his atty and slaps him on the ass in response. One is ok and one is not. Sounds like she is a "do as I say not as I do" type. His joke got laughs. Hers didn't. She got embarrassed. And used her power and position as a judge to teach him a lesson. I think it's that simple.
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I didn't get all the details of the crime. Did Ocho have to tell a bitch more than once?
Well...she did have 2 black eyes.
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While I agree he is an asshole and it was most def in bad taste, I can't rightly say she wasn't being in just as bad taste as him for saying what she did.
She makes a smartassed remark about his attorney to him. He quips to his atty and slaps him on the ass in response. One is ok and one is not. Sounds like she is a "do as I say not as I do" type. His joke got laughs. Hers didn't. She got embarrassed. And used her power and position as a judge to teach him a lesson. I think it's that simple.
I sometimes lower the boom on my kids for a simple thing because they have frayed my last fucking nerve fifty other times all damn day.
So I have no problem with it. Judges get to make jokes. Women beating motherfuckers do not.
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Where is this place that it's unlawful to slap a ho?
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Where is this place that it's unlawful to slap a ho?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you.
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It was my impression that this was more "Your attorney did a damn good job..." with a hefty dose of :sarcasm:. More like "You better appreciate what this mofo did for you, because this is a better deal than you deserve".
Here's my problem with that explanation:
She's the judge. She's the one giving the deal. If he didn't deserve it, then why was she initially going to agree with it?
Basically, what I'm getting at is that Ochocinco's attorney did not take advantage of a statute that forced the court's hand to accept the plea deal. The prosecution and defense agreed to the terms, and she was going to sign them. I don't see why she would feel the need to make a sarcastic remark about how he doesn't deserve this deal that someone else got him when she's the one who actually gives it to him. She's the judge of what he deserves.
If she didn't think he deserved the deal in the first place, then she should have never given it to him, as opposed to using the courtroom's reaction as an excuse to blow up on him and completely revoke the deal that she was about to approve.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you.
Sometimes when I see a solar eclipse, much like the one I saw in Hawaii last year, I think Oh No is the moon eating the sun.
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Sometimes when I see a solar eclipse, much like the one I saw in Hawaii last year, I think Oh No is the moon eating the sun.
But you don't understand, I need this drink. I'm a caveman and I'm frightened by your strange flying machine, so get me another Dewars and water pronto. Listen, I'll sue you and your WHOLE CRUMMY AIRLINE!
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Here's my problem with that explanation:
She's the judge. She's the one giving the deal. If he didn't deserve it, then why was she initially going to agree with it?
Basically, what I'm getting at is that Ochocinco's attorney did not take advantage of a statute that forced the court's hand to accept the plea deal. The prosecution and defense agreed to the terms, and she was going to sign them. I don't see why she would feel the need to make a sarcastic remark about how he doesn't deserve this deal that someone else got him when she's the one who actually gives it to him. She's the judge of what he deserves.
If she didn't think he deserved the deal in the first place, then she should have never given it to him, as opposed to using the courtroom's reaction as an excuse to blow up on him and completely revoke the deal that she was about to approve.
Not trying to poke the bee's nest with a stick, but don't judges usually rely on the prosecutors to make the deal, and then just formalize it after they make sure the defendant understands the terms, and that both parties accept it? My CEO doesn't negotiate every contract personally - he trusts me to do my job and make the best deal I can for the company. I brief him on the terms and he signs it. The judge isn't going to undo what the prosecutor did without cause, and Ocho gave her cause. Because he is a dumbass.
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I'm sure this is a great discussion and all of you have valid points, but I'm not going to read any of it because I'm so offended by the sexist tone of the thread title.
Why do you have to bring gender into it? Why can't it just be a judge scorned? By making it about a female you degrade your position.
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I'm sure this is a great discussion and all of you have valid points, but I'm not going to read any of it because I'm so offended by the sexist tone of the thread title.
Why do you have to bring gender into it? Why can't it just be a judge scorned? By making it about a female you degrade your position.
^^^This X1000
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I'm sure this is a great discussion and all of you have valid points, but I'm not going to read any of it because I'm so offended by the sexist tone of the thread title.
Why do you have to bring gender into it? Why can't it just be a judge scorned? By making it about a female you degrade your position.
:classic:
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Not trying to poke the bee's nest with a stick, but don't judges usually rely on the prosecutors to make the deal, and then just formalize it after they make sure the defendant understands the terms, and that both parties accept it?
Generally, yes. The prosecution and defense negotiate the deal, and if they come to an agreement, then the judge will just explain the terms of the deal and sign the paperwork.
But it doesn't change the fact that the judge is the one who has to sign the paperwork and approve it. This is pretty evident by the fact that the judge in this case decided not to sign a deal that was mutually agreed upon by both parties.
The judge isn't going to undo what the prosecutor did without cause, and Ocho gave her cause. Because he is a dumbass.
If the judge doesn't believe he is deserving of the deal from the get-go as you suggested, then she doesn't have to wait until the defendant does something stupid in court. She can just deny the deal and say, "I understand the prosecution and defense mutually agreed to this deal, but the court can not grant extended probation with these terms due to the nature of Mr. Ochocinco's offenses." Again, the judge has to sign it for the deal to be in effect. No deal comes into effect just because the prosecution and defense mutually agreed to the terms.
IMO, she overreacted. I can't get in Ochocinco's mind, but his visible mannerisms never suggested that he didn't take anything seriously. The ass pat was not exaggerated, comically or otherwise, and is a pretty natural reaction from a guy who's played sports for decades.
Aside from that, my biggest issue is that she repeatedly referred to the court's reaction as being the problem. That is something that he can not control, and from what I can tell about his mannerisms, that is something that he did not intend. Again, just my opinion based on the way he conducted himself before, during, and after the ass pat.
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Here is the bigger question, can a man not pat his lawyer on the ass?
Is it now illegal to pat your friend on the ass?
Will every sport put in new rules for anti-ass-slapping?
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She cuts him a break - and more details come out. He had disrespected and made light of things throughout this whole process - judge finally had had enough, and I cannot say I blame her.
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- A contrite Chad Johnson apologized Monday for disrespecting a judge when the former NFL star slapped his attorney on the backside in court last week, and his immediate release from jail was ordered.
Broward County Circuit Judge Kathleen McHugh accepted Johnson's apology and cut his 30-day jail term for a probation violation to the seven days he has already served since the rear-swatting incident. Johnson, a flamboyant wide receiver formerly known as Chad Ochocinco, said in court that he'd had time to think about why his flippant attitude was wrong -- especially in a domestic violence case.
"I just wanted to apologize for disrespecting the court last time," said Johnson, wearing a tan jail jumpsuit with his hands shackled at the waist. "I apologize. I did have time to reflect on the mistakes I made in this courtroom."
McHugh noted that in a previous hearing Johnson had put his arm around a female prosecutor's shoulders, prompting the prosecutor to tell him twice not to touch her. The judge also pointed out that when Johnson head-butted his then-wife, Evelyn Lozada of the reality TV show "Basketball Wives," she suffered a 3-inch gash on her head that required eight stitches. The judge called those injuries horrific.
McHugh also said Johnson failed to appreciate "the gift of probation" after pleading no contest to battery in the altercation last August with Lozada, which prompted her to quickly file for divorce. Johnson, 35, was in court because he had failed to meet with his probation officer for three straight months.
"I find that's an arrogant disregard for a court order," the judge said.
McHugh ordered Johnson to perform 25 hours of community service and attend domestic violence counseling sessions twice a week during probation, and she extended his probation an extra three months through mid-October.
The attorney who had his backside slapped, Adam Swickle, said Johnson will fully comply with all probation conditions and hopes to resurrect his NFL career. The six-time Pro Bowler was cut by the Miami Dolphins after his arrest for battery; he played most of his 11 seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals followed by one year with the New England Patriots.
"He understands that this is the kind of situation that can derail a person's career," Swickle said. "We're very confident he will do what he should do."
Terrell Owens visited Johnson in jail on Saturday and tweeted that his former teammate was in "good spirits."
"I really didn't know what to expect but to see the homie locked up is a very humbling experience, to talk to him via vid conference let me know that's not where anyone wants to be," Owens wrote. "I know he's only in the county jail but to someone that has never been locked up...Jail is Jail!"