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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on March 11, 2013, 04:43:51 PM
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Joel Erickson at al.com is apparently doing a position breakdown on Malzahn's offense. Posted one on the WR's last week and today, he has one up on the offensive linemen. Nothing earth shattering. Just good to see an emphasis on getting these guys physically ready to kick ass in this league. The line class AU signed last season was rated second only to Stanford's. The unique thing to me was that all of the signees were in that 6'5" to 6'7" range. Tall and long with the potential to add a lot of size. How nice would it be to have most everyone across the O-line coming in at around 6'6" and 310+?
copper-pasties al.com
AUBURN, Alabama -- Auburn has plenty of depth and youth on the offensive line, an asset a lot of teams would like to have, although the Tigers still haven't seen most of those linemen reach the potential that made them highly-rated coming out of high school.
For much of the 2012 season, Auburn's offensive line struggled, particularly against the talented linemen of the SEC. From a schematic standpoint, the offensive line likely will not have to shift that much, although the technique could change. New offensive line coach J.B. Grimes faces the task of building an offensive line nasty enough to lead the physical, downhill running game that Gus Malzahn and Rhett Lashlee want. "We want big, physical offensive linemen," Grimes said. "What we're looking for are those good, big, fast offensive linemen, and we feel like we can recruit those guys at Auburn."
The shift from Scot Loeffler's pro-style attack to the hurry-up, no-huddle offense is going to require Auburn's offensive line to block many of the same plays; the power, the counter, the inside zone and wide zone are all staple running plays in most offenses, and Auburn's line tinkered with the zone read last season, although the Tigers didn't run it much.
Playing in the hurry-up, no-huddle, though, requires a better-conditioned offensive line. At the pace Malzahn and Lashlee want to play, Auburn's offensive line can't be the kind of player who has a lot of size but not a lot of athleticism.
Part of that comes from new strength and conditioning coach Ryan Russell, who tailors his workout program to improve a player's size and strength while also forcing them to get better at endurance and rapid recovery from play to play. "You've got to be a physical guy, but you also need to be athletic and fast, because of the speed of how fast you play," Grimes said.
Grimes may hold the key to Auburn's offensive line. The Tigers return starters in left tackle Greg Robinson, guard Chad Slade, center Reese Dismukes and right tackles Patrick Miller and Avery Young, as well as junior college guard Devonte Danzey. The key is to take that talent -- more than 50 starts return to the group as a whole -- and mold it into a line that can pave the way for Malzahn and Lashlee's attack.
"He's as good as anyone I've ever seen or been around at just the fundamentals of his position," Lashlee said. "We're going to have guys that technique-wise know what they're doing. They're going to be physical, they're going to have great pad level, all those things that make a guy with the right talent a great player, he can give it to them."
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Good cop ee pasta dish.
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It just seems like I have read all this before.
I truly think that Malzahn will be better than Chizik; he would have to be right? But I am still not sold on all this. We have read something similar to this since Tony Franklin came in at Auburn.
The good thing is there is talent. But that doesn't mean shit if there isn't a coach around to make them use their talent. I hope Malzahn can be the man...I am just not sure...
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It just seems like I have read all this before.
I truly think that Malzahn will be better than Chizik; he would have to be right? But I am still not sold on all this. We have read something similar to this since Tony Franklin came in at Auburn.
The good thing is there is talent. But that doesn't mean shit if there isn't a coach around to make them use their talent. I hope Malzahn can be the man...I am just not sure...
Maybe sunshine pumping here, but I think there are a couple of differences this time around. Franklin came in and had the O-linemen drop a ton of weight. Ziemba was playing around 280 and Pugh at 270. When Franklin left and they went back to a more traditional style of offense, they couldn't blow Dothan High School off the line. This article indicates they want to go in a different direction this time around.
"We want big, physical offensive linemen," Grimes said. "
Also, Franklin was on an island by himself. Tubs brought him in but if what Franklin said after the fact is true, he got little to no cooperation from the other corches on staff. Hence: Epic Fail. This is Malzahn's system and being the head man, he brought in his peeps to do it his way.
Again, I have no idea if this whole thing will work. Just going all glass half full here. I just think ultimately, Chizik was in over his head and didn't/doesn't know how to run a program. Having said that, CGM hasn't proven he can either. One year at Arky State doesn't prove anything.
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Maybe sunshine pumping here, but I think there are a couple of differences this time around. Franklin came in and had the O-linemen drop a ton of weight. Ziemba was playing around 280 and Pugh at 270. When Franklin left and they went back to a more traditional style of offense, they couldn't blow Dothan High School off the line. This article indicates they want to go in a different direction this time around.
"We want big, physical offensive linemen," Grimes said. "
Also, Franklin was on an island by himself. Tubs brought him in but if what Franklin said after the fact is true, he got little to no cooperation from the other corches on staff. Hence: Epic Fail. This is Malzahn's system and being the head man, he brought in his peeps to do it his way.
Again, I have no idea if this whole thing will work. Just going all glass half full here. I just think ultimately, Chizik was in over his head and didn't/doesn't know how to run a program. Having said that, CGM hasn't proven he can either. One year at Arky State doesn't prove anything.
This, plus I think Gus is smart enough to look at what has worked and not worked on teams he has been involved in and played against. He knows that a big, aggressive O-line is what it takes to win in this league after coaching at Arky and Auburn and from coaching against LSU and Bama.
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Maybe sunshine pumping here, but I think there are a couple of differences this time around. Franklin came in and had the O-linemen drop a ton of weight. Ziemba was playing around 280 and Pugh at 270. When Franklin left and they went back to a more traditional style of offense, they couldn't blow Dothan High School off the line. This article indicates they want to go in a different direction this time around.
"We want big, physical offensive linemen," Grimes said. "
Also, Franklin was on an island by himself. Tubs brought him in but if what Franklin said after the fact is true, he got little to no cooperation from the other corches on staff. Hence: Epic Fail. This is Malzahn's system and being the head man, he brought in his peeps to do it his way.
Again, I have no idea if this whole thing will work. Just going all glass half full here. I just think ultimately, Chizik was in over his head and didn't/doesn't know how to run a program. Having said that, CGM hasn't proven he can either. One year at Arky State doesn't prove anything.
Something dumbass JJ should have known.
His one year at Arky state leads me to believe that he can be a top tier head coach if given all the tools he needs. He really seems to have the drive and the ability.
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Maybe sunshine pumping here, but I think there are a couple of differences this time around. Franklin came in and had the O-linemen drop a ton of weight. Ziemba was playing around 280 and Pugh at 270. When Franklin left and they went back to a more traditional style of offense, they couldn't blow Dothan High School off the line. This article indicates they want to go in a different direction this time around.
"We want big, physical offensive linemen," Grimes said. "
Also, Franklin was on an island by himself. Tubs brought him in but if what Franklin said after the fact is true, he got little to no cooperation from the other corches on staff. Hence: Epic Fail. This is Malzahn's system and being the head man, he brought in his peeps to do it his way.
Again, I have no idea if this whole thing will work. Just going all glass half full here. I just think ultimately, Chizik was in over his head and didn't/doesn't know how to run a program. Having said that, CGM hasn't proven he can either. One year at Arky State doesn't prove anything.
When Franklin was hired, things had already fallen apart, and it was a last ditch half assed effort to breath life in to the football team. Failed miserably for numerous reasons.
Still...
This: It just seems like I have read all this before.
I truly think that Malzahn will be better than Chizik; he would have to be right? But I am still not sold on all this. We have read something similar to this since Tony Franklin came in at Auburn.
The good thing is there is talent. But that doesn't mean shit if there isn't a coach around to make them use their talent. I hope Malzahn can be the man...I am just not sure...
is a fact. Same "off season song and dance" when some type of major change is made. I've heard variations of the same theme since 1981.
The Good: Each coach since then has had some measure of championship level success. (Debate why all you want..."playing with previous coach's players"..."SEC Down"..."Bammer Down"...whatever noise you want to make to discredit any coach's success)
The Bad and the Ugly: Each coach crashed and burned in a most horrific fashion. (Again, debate why all you want...it was their program, and each coach was given ample time...in the end, they couldn't sustain well enough to remain competitive...whether due to lack of talent, or lack of effort/ability of the staff)
What I'd like to see is not a change in the rhetoric we hear in the off season, but a change in how this plays out short term and long term. Sustained success, built on a solid foundation, and a year in year out competitive (SEC level) team with no more than average off the field problems for the typical D1 program. Good years being in the hunt for it all, and bad years being no worse than 8 win seasons, and zero fucking home invasion robberies.
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When Franklin was hired, things had already fallen apart, and it was a last ditch half assed effort to breath life in to the football team. Failed miserably for numerous reasons.
Still...
This: is a fact. Same "off season song and dance" when some type of major change is made. I've heard variations of the same theme since 1981.
The Good: Each coach since then has had some measure of championship level success. (Debate why all you want..."playing with previous coach's players"..."SEC Down"..."Bammer Down"...whatever noise you want to make to discredit any coach's success)
The Bad and the Ugly: Each coach crashed and burned in a most horrific fashion. (Again, debate why all you want...it was their program, and each coach was given ample time...in the end, they couldn't sustain well enough to remain competitive...whether due to lack of talent, or lack of effort/ability of the staff)
What I'd like to see is not a change in the rhetoric we hear in the off season, but a change in how this plays out short term and long term. Sustained success, built on a solid foundation, and a year in year out competitive (SEC level) team with no more than average off the field problems for the typical D1 program. Good years being in the hunt for it all, and bad years being no worse than 8 win seasons, and zero fucking home invasion robberies.
:thumsup: Amen
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When Franklin was hired, things had already fallen apart, and it was a last ditch half assed effort to breath life in to the football team. Failed miserably for numerous reasons.
Still...
This: is a fact. Same "off season song and dance" when some type of major change is made. I've heard variations of the same theme since 1981.
The Good: Each coach since then has had some measure of championship level success. (Debate why all you want..."playing with previous coach's players"..."SEC Down"..."Bammer Down"...whatever noise you want to make to discredit any coach's success)
The Bad and the Ugly: Each coach crashed and burned in a most horrific fashion. (Again, debate why all you want...it was their program, and each coach was given ample time...in the end, they couldn't sustain well enough to remain competitive...whether due to lack of talent, or lack of effort/ability of the staff)
What I'd like to see is not a change in the rhetoric we hear in the off season, but a change in how this plays out short term and long term. Sustained success, built on a solid foundation, and a year in year out competitive (SEC level) team with no more than average off the field problems for the typical D1 program. Good years being in the hunt for it all, and bad years being no worse than 8 win seasons, and zero fucking home invasion robberies.
Let’s not get greedy got to keep the civilian folks on their toes.
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It just seems like I have read all this before.
I truly think that Malzahn will be better than Chizik; he would have to be right? But I am still not sold on all this. We have read something similar to this since Tony Franklin came in at Auburn.
The good thing is there is talent. But that doesn't mean shit if there isn't a coach around to make them use their talent. I hope Malzahn can be the man...I am just not sure...
2009 is what gives me hope. IF the defense can play at a level 50% better than it did at any point under Chizik and Malzahn can get the offense playing at the level he had it at before, I think this ship can be righted in 2 seasons or less. Mark it down, save it, print it on your forehead...I said it!
And before you ask...NO AVATAR BETS!
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2009 is what gives me hope. IF the defense can play at a level 50% better than it did at any point under Chizik and Malzahn can get the offense playing at the level he had it at before, I think this ship can be righted in 2 seasons or less. Mark it down, save it, print it on your forehead...I said it!
And before you ask...NO AVATAR BETS!
Not even if I let you touch em?
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They are gonna have to wrassle Patrick "Ole" Miller's red cape away from him if they plan on being successful.
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They are gonna have to wrassle Patrick "Ole" Miller's red cape away from him if they plan on being successful.
They call him turnstile
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The article basically says we want the following:
Big, fast, mean, physically fit linemen that know how to block for the running game. I bet we are the only team in the country that wants all that.
On a side note, I want a threesome with my wife and Angie Harmon
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The article basically says we want the following:
Big, fast, mean, physically fit linemen that know how to block for the running game. I bet we are the only team in the country that wants all that.
On a side note, I want a threesome with my wife and Angie Harmon
Ole Jason Shoehorn would kick yore ass!
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The article basically says we want the following:
Big, fast, mean, physically fit linemen that know how to block for the running game. I bet we are the only team in the country that wants all that.
On a side note, I want a threesome with my wife and Angie Harmon
I see what you mean but I think they're really just admitting that what we've had are not very big, slow-footed, not aggressive and basically out of shape.
And..... I agree. I think a 3-some with your wife and Angie Harmon would kick ass.
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I see what you mean but I think they're really just admitting that what we've had are not very big, slow-footed, not aggressive and basically out of shape.
And..... I agree. I think a 3-some with your wife and Angie Harmon would kick ass.
I disagree with one thing, the OL are big...they just aren't strong at all, when a few 18 year olds come in as the strongest among the OL, from their HS workouts...somethings REALLY wrong with our College workout, yet nothing was done to correct it. Instead, CGC and Staff let the players work out, if they wanted to, then they were surprised when most of them opted out of it to go hang out at the Athletic Department to play video games, shoot pool, play ping pong, etc (anything but working out). Then CGC felt it was a good idea to hire Seal Team 6 to watch all of the player's moves and make sure they got to class on time or was in their beds before curfew.