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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on March 07, 2013, 12:56:38 PM
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Part of me just writes this kind of rhetoric off as lunatic ravings and veiled threats. Then I think....they may be just looney enough to try it. Either way, I'm not to thrilled about any country with serious fire power saying they're about to send nukes our way. Most would think the notion is absurd. But, they don't think like us. Anywayz...copytothepasta foxnews.com
North Korea amplified its threatening rhetoric as the U.N. Security Council approved new sweeping sanctions, vowing to launch a first-strike nuclear attack against the United States and threatening to engulf Washington in a "sea of fire."
An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.
At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, Army Gen. Kang Pyo Yong told the crowd that North Korea is ready to fire long-range nuclear-armed missiles at Washington.
"Intercontinental ballistic missiles and various other missiles, which have already set their striking targets, are now armed with lighter, smaller and diversified nuclear warheads and are placed on a standby status," Kang said. "When we shell (the missiles), Washington, which is the stronghold of evils, .... will be engulfed in a sea of fire."
Top U.S. envoy for North Korea policy Glyn Davies called on Pyongyang not to miscalculate and said the U.S. is working with South Korea to ensure it's ready should any threats arise.
Sen. Robert Menendez, D-NJ, said the "absurd" threat of a nuclear strike on the U.S. would be tantamount to suicide.
U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice reacted to the warnings Thursday, saying North Korea will "achieve nothing" with threats.
"North Korea will achieve nothing by continued threats and provocations. These will only further isolate the country and its people and undermine international efforts to promote peace and stability in northeast Asia," Rice said.
The U.N. Security Council unanimously endorsed a fourth round of sanctions against Pyongyang in a fresh attempt to rein in its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.
The vote Thursday by the U.N.'s most powerful body on a resolution drafted by North Korea's closest ally, China, and the United States sends a powerful message to North Korea that the international community condemns its ballistic missile and nuclear tests -- and its repeated violation of Security Council resolutions.
The new sanctions are aimed at making it more difficult for North Korea to finance and obtain material for its weapons programs.
North Korean threats have become more common as tensions have escalated following a rocket launch by Pyongyang in December and its third nuclear test on Feb. 12. Both acts defied three Security Council resolutions that bar North Korea from testing or using nuclear or ballistic missile technology and from importing or exporting material for these programs.
North Korea accused the U.S. of leading efforts to slap sanctions on North Korea. The statement said the new sanctions would only advance the timing for North Korea to fulfill previous vows to take "powerful second and third countermeasures" against its enemies.
The statement said North Korea "strongly warns the U.N. Security Council not to make another big blunder like the one in the past when it earned the inveterate grudge of the Korean nation by acting as a war servant for the U.S. in 1950."
North Korea demanded the U.N. Security Council immediately dismantle the American-led U.N. Command that's based in Seoul and move to end the state of war that exists on the Korean Peninsula, which continues six decades after fighting stopped because an armistice, not a peace treaty, ended the war.
In anticipation of the resolution's adoption, North Korea earlier in the week threatened to cancel the 1953 cease-fire that ended the Korean War.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/07/north-korea-vows-nuclear-attack-on-us-ahead-un-sanctions-vote/#ixzz2MsQxXazC
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Washington's safe, Seoul.....I think I would have my bug out bag packed.
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Too late...Washington is already engulfed in a sea of flame.
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Too late...Washington is already engulfed in a sea of flame.
Why do you hate gays?
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I take it about as serious as the Taliban saying they want to wipe us off the earth...
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I take it about as serious as the Taliban saying they want to wipe us off the earth...
What this guy said. ^^^
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The only part that concerns me is if Russia or China decided to support N Korea in this matter.
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The only part that concerns me is if Russia or China decided to support N Korea in this matter.
We would lose the war of attrition. We would have to get India to come in on our side as cannon fodder.
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There is a city right across from the 38 parallel in North Korea, we called it Hollywood city as it was a non-city, nobody ever lived there, but dead in the middle of the city on this big ass flag pole was a North Korean flag. Rumor was that if you capture that flag and brought it back you would get a million dollars. Get a couple of Korean beers in and you start thinking about planning it.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/south-korea-north-korea-2011-4-24-2-30-151_zps92452aed.jpg)
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The only part that concerns me is if Russia or China decided to support N Korea in this matter.
Yep, the Chineee supporting them would be bad.
http://youtu.be/PxymwN7nYQQ
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Upon reading it this morning, I thought it was sure to slow the rally in the market. Up 3.83 so far today. I guess we are immune to this country as well as this boys crazy father. Kind of like the crazy uncle that carried a pistol and would pull it out when somebody cut him off in traffic. You know that he could very well use it one day if cornered him or he would get killed but mostly, it's just for show. He doesn't really want anything to happen.
Unfortunately, we will be forced to deal with them sooner or later. As mentioned, I only hope China and Russia will understand. If not, get ready to rumble.
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Yep, the Chineee supporting them would be bad.
Damn, a gay China-men, who would of thunk it?
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Damn, a gay China-men, who would of thunk it?
You rike bro job?
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I take it about as serious as the Taliban saying they want to wipe us off the earth...
Yep. Their last 2 delivery system launch tests resulted in a horribly photoshopped photo released by the NKNA, and a real one that disintegrated on the launch pad.
They'll fiddle fart around - doing nothing more than talking B grade shit - until WWIII breaks out, then get rendered extinct.
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You rike bro job?
Will sit on my Crabby Patty Wung Lui?
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There is a city right across from the 38 parallel in North Korea, we called it Hollywood city as it was a non-city, nobody ever lived there, but dead in the middle of the city on this big ass flag pole was a North Korean flag. Rumor was that if you capture that flag and brought it back you would get a million dollars. Get a couple of Korean beers in and you start thinking about planning it.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/south-korea-north-korea-2011-4-24-2-30-151_zps92452aed.jpg)
I could get that flag without ever having to crossover. On the other statement here, our guys said the Star Wars Program was a success. So what the hell are they afraid of, the truth? That it's a big failure, like most everything else the government attempts.
Part of me just writes this kind of rhetoric off as lunatic ravings and veiled threats. Then I think....they may be just looney enough to try it. Either way, I'm not to thrilled about any country with serious fire power saying they're about to send nukes our way. Most would think the notion is absurd. But, they don't think like us. Anywayz...copytothepasta foxnews.com
North Korea amplified its threatening rhetoric as the U.N. Security Council approved new sweeping sanctions, vowing to launch a first-strike nuclear attack against the United States and threatening to engulf Washington in a "sea of fire."
An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/07/north-korea-vows-nuclear-attack-on-us-ahead-un-sanctions-vote/#ixzz2MsQxXazC
To be honest I think the whole fucking thing is both hilarious and political. They're all in bed with one another. Our political machine wants to keep troops over there in the south (sitting ducks) while most folks want less involvement in foreign affairs (constitutionality argument - Jefferson). I spent a year in South Korea, and I think the north is a joke. Any and all real threats come from The Peoples Republic of China, with whom we are engage economically, but on the wrong side. We owe them money, or so they say. Fuck China in da mouf.
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Questions for the military/political/peoplewhofollowthatstuff types. How big a military presence do we have in that region? I had a family member stationed over there but it was many years ago. If we've got big numbers over there, why? To keep NK and China in check?
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Questions for the military/political/peoplewhofollowthatstuff types. How big a military presence do we have in that region? I had a family member stationed over there but it was many years ago. If we've got big numbers over there, why? To keep NK and China in check?
We have Apprx 28,000 boots on the ground, they do a one year tour, They are basically what we call DIPS- They would 'Die in Place" if an attack was to happen.
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Questions for the military/political/peoplewhofollowthatstuff types. How big a military presence do we have in that region? I had a family member stationed over there but it was many years ago. If we've got big numbers over there, why? To keep NK and China in check?
The only thing keeping China in check is China.
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The only thing keeping China in check is China and what we owe them.
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We have Apprx 28,000 boots on the ground, they do a one year tour, They are basically what we call DIPS- They would 'Die in Place" if an attack was to happen.
I guess that's kind of where I was going. 28,000 American soldiers can kick the hell out of just about any country (If turned loose and allowed to kick said country's ass). But...does China really make any decisions whatsoever based on us having soldiers in that region?
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I guess that's kind of where I was going. 28,000 American soldiers can kick the hell out of just about any country (If turned loose and allowed to kick said country's ass). But...does China really make any decisions whatsoever based on us having soldiers in that region?
China has enough of a military presence to come over here and kick our ass if they so choose. Dallas just cited the reason they stay in check...they will soon own us anyway.
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We have Apprx 28,000 boots on the ground, they do a one year tour, They are basically what we call DIPS- They would 'Die in Place" if an attack was to happen.
Scuttlebutt is that we left the region they would destroy the south the instant we left and it would cause instability in the region. That is what is keeping us over there.
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I guess that's kind of where I was going. 28,000 American soldiers can kick the hell out of just about any country (If turned loose and allowed to kick said country's ass). But...does China really make any decisions whatsoever based on us having soldiers in that region?
In the grand scheme of that area, the 28,000 is no more than a token presence, our main defense of that area comes out of Japan (air force) and naval presence (if any). Now it has been a long time since I was there but where were trained to fight (but basically a rear guard action) until help arrives. .
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Scuttlebutt is that we left the region they would destroy the south the instant we left and it would cause instability in the region. That is what is keeping us over there.
I would not argue that point, Attacking SK has always been an attack on the US. Even a small force in any area gives access to that area.
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I would not argue that point, Attacking SK has always been an attack on the US. Even a small force in any area gives access to that area.
The fucking North Koreans have underground tunnels leading all the way down to Seoul and passed. Until help arrives? LOL, There would be nothing left to defend. Nuke NK and drop the subject.
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In the grand scheme of that area, the 28,000 is no more than a token presence, our main defense of that area comes out of Japan (air force) and naval presence (if any). Now it has been a long time since I was there but where were trained to fight (but basically a rear guard action) until help arrives. .
We have enough Navy, Marine, & Air Farce presence in Japan to shore up the 28,000 for a little while. Call it a Tier 2 defense. There's enough missiles on the DDG's out of Yoko to obliterate Pyongyang and any other vital target in the North. The Navy, USMC, & USAF aircraft would assist with anything moving on the ground. Okinawa based Marines and the Naval Amphibious Force out of Sasebo would get reinforcements onshore very quickly.
This level of defense would keep things going until stateside assets got to the scene.
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We have enough Navy, Marine, & Air Farce presence in Japan to shore up the 28,000 for a little while. Call it a Tier 2 defense. There's enough missiles on the DDG's out of Yoko to obliterate Pyongyang and any other vital target in the North. The Navy, USMC, & USAF aircraft would assist with anything moving on the ground. Okinawa based Marines and the Naval Amphibious Force out of Sasebo would get reinforcements onshore very quickly.
This level of defense would keep things going until stateside assets got to the scene.
I don't think it would be ground warfare for at least a week. TO me that means it would expand way beyond the SK peninsula. Japan would be hit simultaneously. To think,that NK's dear leader is stupid enough to try this shit in first place is ludicrous. However, all kidding aside, he would not, I repeat would not be alone in this endeavor. There would definitely be other major players in this behind the smoke screen using NK as a mere pawn on the grand chessboard of the big stage. And while out idiot reps and media outlets are focused in this non-issue, we're getting fucked is some where else I guarantee (economically - having to do with money usually...like taxation or something of that nature).
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We have enough Navy, Marine, & Air Farce presence in Japan to shore up the 28,000 for a little while. Call it a Tier 2 defense. There's enough missiles on the DDG's out of Yoko to obliterate Pyongyang and any other vital target in the North. The Navy, USMC, & USAF aircraft would assist with anything moving on the ground. Okinawa based Marines and the Naval Amphibious Force out of Sasebo would get reinforcements onshore very quickly.
This level of defense would keep things going until stateside assets got to the scene.
Whatever happens it had better happen quick. I believe most projections say that we only have enough aircraft munitions for about a month of heavy use. We had the same problem in Desert Storm, we ran out of our heavy bunker buster bombs. We sent in some F-117's to hit a hardened shelter and nothing happened. The Intel watched via satellite for about 2 weeks as the Iraqis moved everything they had into these hardened bunkers thinking they had something that would defeat the AF. This was just enough time for us to resupply and we went in and turned the bunkers into big smoking holes.
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Whatever happens it had better happen quick. I believe most projections say that we only have enough aircraft munitions for about a month of heavy use. We had the same problem in Desert Storm, we ran out of our heavy bunker buster bombs. We sent in some F-117's to hit a hardened shelter and nothing happened. The Intel watched via satellite for about 2 weeks as the Iraqis moved everything they had into these hardened bunkers thinking they had something that would defeat the AF. This was just enough time for us to resupply and we went in and turned the bunkers into big smoking holes.
Just like in Iraqi we would cut off their communication from their ‘Dear leaders†and the troops in the field would be without direction. It is the Achilles heel of dictator leadership.
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I think they want to die.
Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling
(CNN) -- Saber-rattling rose Monday to new levels on the Korean peninsula, as Pyongyang officials "scrapped" the armistice credited for nearly 60 years of uneasy peace and then failed to answer a hotline phone.
"The Korean Armistice Agreement is to be scrapped completely just from today," said a spokesman for the North Korean military -- the Korean People's Army Supreme Command -- according to Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of North Korea's ruling Workers' Party.
North Korea cited the U.N. Security Council's unanimous passage last Thursday of tougher sanctions against Pyongyang for carrying out missile and nuclear tests.
"The collective sanction is precisely a declaration of war and an act of war against the DPRK," said the newspaper, using the initials of North Korea's formal name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
U.S.-South Korean drills
North Korea's announcement came as military drills involving South Korea and the United States were taking place. The exercises, called Key Resolve, are in conjunction with the Foal Eagle joint exercises that began March 1 and are scheduled to last two months. More than 3,000 U.S. forces are taking part in Key Resolve, according to United States Forces Korea.
North Korea also has called the annual training exercises "an open declaration of a war."
"Under the cloak of the UNSC, the U.S. seeks to realize its aggressive purpose against the DPRK by threatening its right to existence as well as its sovereignty," the newspaper continued. "What is graver is the fact that the U.S. cooked up the resolution on sanction timing to coincide with the 'Key Resolve' and 'Foal Eagle' joint military exercises."
The United Nations Command notified the North Korean military on February 21 of the exercise dates, noting that they are annual joint exercises that are defensive in nature and not related to current events on the Korean Peninsula.
Also Monday, North Korea did not answer its hotline with Seoul, South Korea's unification ministry said, according to the Yonhap news agency.
The ministry said the North did not answer two attempts to communicate by telephone at 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. local time.
The military hotline was set up in 2004 with the goal of easing tensions along the heavily fortified border between South and North, the world's last Cold War frontier.
Last week, Pyongyang said it planned to terminate its military telephone line with the United States.
But Andre Kok, deputy public affairs officer for U.S. Forces in Korea, said reports that the North's Korean People's Army, known as the KPA, cut off communication often arise when military training exercises are taking place.
"When we place a call on the direct phone line and the KPA does not answer, we have no way of knowing if the KPA has actually disconnected the phone lines or are just not answering the phone," he said.
North Korea's nuclear warning
North Korea had previously warned it could carry out strikes against the United States and South Korea.
But analysts say North Korea is years away from having the technology needed to mount a nuclear warhead on a missile and aim it accurately at a target.
And, analysts say, North Korea is unlikely to seek a direct military conflict with the United States, preferring instead to try to gain traction through threats and the buildup of its military deterrent.
The Koreas are still technically at war because the 1950-53 war ended in a truce, not a peace treaty.
In 2002, then-U.S. President George W. Bush labeled Pyongyang part of an "axis of evil" with Iraq and Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/world/asia/south-korea-military-exercises/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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i like the patrick swayze red dawn better.
wolverines.
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i like the patrick swayze red dawn better.
wolverines.
Whatever. Thor fucking rules.
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Looks like they are ready to launch.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/kim_zpse0f079a4.jpg)
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Raunch the rockets. Oh shit
http://youtu.be/UjkeKEy40As
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No mention of The Worn vacationing with his buddy KJU?