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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Tarheel on February 19, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
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This story absolutely infuriates me. I can't help but wonder if this same story had been about Republican voters in the 2000 or 2004 elections if there would not have been Grand Juries formed, arrests made, Justice Department investigations, audits, etc. But, instead, it's: oh well, someone voted four or five or six times and they are a poll-worker...ho hum.
My favorites: '"There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud," she insisted.'" (Said the poll worker who voted early, then voted on election day, then cast a ballot in her daughter's name, then cast a ballot in her grand-daughter's name...). Then there's this: '"The voter said yes she 'voted early' and then voted again, then she asked 'what's the problem?'" according to the report.'"
Merciful Buddha. :facepalm: We are doomed.
There should be a special place in hell for these people along with people who talk in theaters.
Excerpt from Fox News (yes, I know...I know...but no other "news" agency seems to be looking into this issue), all emphasis is my own:
Did Obama supporter vote 6 times in 2012? Ohio poll worker target of investigation
By Eric Shawn
Published February 19, 2013
FoxNews.com
The Obama/Biden lawn sign remains proudly planted in front of Melowese Richardson's Cincinnati home, three months after the presidential election.
It seems that President Obama has an especially ardent supporter in the veteran Ohio poll worker.
Richardson told a local television station this month that she voted twice last November. She cast an absentee ballot and then voted at the polls as well.
"Yes, I voted twice," Richardson told WCPO-TV. "I, after registering thousands of people, certainly wanted my vote to count, so I voted. I voted at the polls."
Authorities also are investigating if she voted in the names of four other people, too, for a total of six votes in the 2012 presidential election.
"I'll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama's right to sit as president of the United States," Richardson vowed when asked about the voter fraud investigation that is now under way.
Richardson is one of 19 people suspected of illegal voting by the Hamilton County Board of Elections in the last election.
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Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and yet another person.
"There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud," she insisted.
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Richardson's granddaughter, India Richardson, confirmed to Fox News that her grandmother voted for her, by submitting an absentee ballot in her name. India told Fox News that she is not angry, and gave her permission to cast her absentee ballot.
"It wasn't a big deal," she said.
But election authorities say voting more than once, or in someone else's name, is a big deal because it is illegal and threatens the credibility of the nation's election system. {NO KIDDING.}
"It appears she not only attempted to vote more than once, but was actually successful at it and having those additional votes counted," Ohio Secretary of State John Husted, who is in charge of the state's elections, told Fox News.
"She appears to have used her position as a poll worker to cover her tracks.
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In written reports detailing the 19 cases, Board of Elections investigators described their findings.
In one instance, an investigator called a suspected double voter and was hung up on.
"I explained that she voted twice and she told me not to bother her and get off her phone and she hung up," the investigator wrote.
Another voter admitted to double voting, but did not think it was an issue.
"The voter said yes she 'voted early' and then voted again, then she asked 'what's the problem?'" according to the report.
Yet another voter was at a loss for explaining why he voted more than once.
"Voter said he remembered both times. He doesn't know why he voted twice," the report said.
The documents show that another voter said he had received a phone call before Election Day telling him his absentee ballot would not count. When investigators questioned him about voting two times, the voter replied "'as usual, you guys are wrong.' ... he was curious about the investigation and asked 'Now what will you do' and 'are you taping me now?"
The Hamilton County Board of Elections is holding hearings to further investigate these cases.
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Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/ohio-poll-worker-obama-supporter-investigated-for-potentially-voting-six-times/
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Beat me to it. I was coming here to post the same thing.
Un-be-fricking-lievable. And she sees nothing wrong with this. "I'll fight it for Mr. Obama...."
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So, did Romney win?!?
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So, did Romney win?!?
He didn't cheat enough.
Seriously though, I think voter fraud and dirty tactics happen on both sides. People are willing to become completely corrupt individuals simply to win college football games. You really think very powerful, very rich people aren't willing to play dirty in order to win elections?
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He didn't cheat enough.
Seriously though, I think voter fraud and dirty tactics happen on both sides. People are willing to become completely corrupt individuals simply to win college football games. You really think very powerful, very rich people aren't willing to play dirty in order to win elections?
I read what you have written here but I have to point out that as intimately as the MSM cooperates with the Democrats if there was any kind of Voter Fraud perpetrated by Republicans even close to the scale reported in the article by The Pharaoh supporters then we'd be hearing about it day after day after day...especially what happened in the wake of the 2000 election in Florida.
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I read what you have written here but I have to point out that as intimately as the MSM cooperates with the Democrats if there was any kind of Voter Fraud perpetrated by Republicans even close to the scale reported in the article by The Pharaoh supporters then we'd be hearing about it day after day after day...especially what happened in the wake of the 2000 election in Florida.
What he said.
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Just make every vote require an ID and it will stop 99% of this.
The simple things seem to be the hardest to implement with the left!
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Just make every vote require an ID and it will stop 99% of this.
The simple things seem to be the hardest to implement with the left!
Racist. I bet you hate gays and want women in burkas, too.
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Just make every vote require an ID and it will stop 99% of this.
The simple things seem to be the hardest to implement with the left!
GASP! But that would disenfranchise people without photo IDs! That's Voter Suppression sir!
Here's what the ACLU sez about that:
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These voter suppression laws take many forms, and collectively lead to significant burdens for eligible voters trying to exercise their most fundamental constitutional right.
During the 2011 legislative sessions, states across the country passed measures to make it harder for Americans – particularly African-Americans, the elderly, students and people with disabilities – to exercise their fundamental right to cast a ballot. Over thirty states considered laws that would require voters to present government-issued photo ID in order to vote. Studies suggest that up to 11 percent of American citizens lack such ID, and would be required to navigate the administrative burdens to obtain it or forego the right to vote entirely.
Three additional states passed laws to require documentary proof of citizenship in order to register to vote, though as many as 7 percent of American citizens do not have such proof. Seven states shortened early voting time frames, even though over 30 percent of all votes cast in the 2008 general election were cast before Election Day. Two state legislatures voted to repeal Election Day registration laws, though Election Day registration increases voter turnout by 10-12 percent.
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http://www.aclu.org/voter-suppression-america
How dare you demand that voters have to prove citizenship and present a photo ID before casting a vote! What the heck is this, 1850!!?? What's next, poll taxes!?
Racist. I bet you hate gays and want women in burkas, too.
That too!
(I hope you know that I'm being sarcastic...or satirical...or facetious...or lampooning...whatever it is...in this reply.)
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I read what you have written here but I have to point out that as intimately as the MSM cooperates with the Democrats if there was any kind of Voter Fraud perpetrated by Republicans even close to the scale reported in the article by The Pharaoh supporters then we'd be hearing about it day after day after day...especially what happened in the wake of the 2000 election in Florida.
Umm...two Republicans were arrested for trying to vote twice. One in Nevada, and I forget the other state. Two different Republican politicians (local offices) in Texas have recently been caught voting multiple times in recent federal elections (plural). These were in the news, but haven't been repeatedly reported to us as you suggested they would be.
We could always get into a pissing contest about which side allegedly does it more and which news agencies decide to report on what incidents, but it invariably happens on both sides.
Voter fraud is a problem that needs to be addressed, period. Blaming it on one party is a generalization of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But if we must make such generalizations, then we should at least acknowledge the fact that it's perpetuated by members of both parties. At any rate, pointing the finger of blame doesn't actually get us any closer to a solution.
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Umm...two Republicans were arrested for trying to vote twice. One in Nevada, and I forget the other state. Two different Republican politicians (local offices) in Texas have recently been caught voting multiple times in recent federal elections (plural). These were in the news, but haven't been repeatedly reported to us as you suggested they would be.
We could always get into a pissing contest about which side allegedly does it more and which news agencies decide to report on what incidents, but it invariably happens on both sides.
Voter fraud is a problem that needs to be addressed, period. Blaming it on one party is a generalization of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But if we must make such generalizations, then we should at least acknowledge the fact that it's perpetuated by members of both parties. At any rate, pointing the finger of blame doesn't actually get us any closer to a solution.
Voter Fraud is a problem that needs to be addressed but it won't be because the Democrats would never win a national election again.
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Umm...two Republicans were arrested for trying to vote twice. One in Nevada, and I forget the other state. Two different Republican politicians (local offices) in Texas have recently been caught voting multiple times in recent federal elections (plural). These were in the news, but haven't been repeatedly reported to us as you suggested they would be.
We could always get into a pissing contest about which side allegedly does it more and which news agencies decide to report on what incidents, but it invariably happens on both sides.
Voter fraud is a problem that needs to be addressed, period. Blaming it on one party is a generalization of an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. But if we must make such generalizations, then we should at least acknowledge the fact that it's perpetuated by members of both parties. At any rate, pointing the finger of blame doesn't actually get us any closer to a solution.
I see where the Huffpo reported on Roxanne Rubin's arrest in Nevada for attempting to vote twice and where it was also reported by the AP, the Las Vegas Sun Times, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and cBS. No bias here at all.
I'll keep "pissing" until I see some Democrats frog-walked and cuffed by the FBI.
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I see where the Huffpo reported on Roxanne Rubin's arrest in Nevada for attempting to vote twice and where it was also reported by the AP, the Las Vegas Sun Times, the Las Vegas Review-Journal, and cBS. No bias here at all.
I'll keep "pissing" until I see some Democrats frog-walked and cuffed by the FBI.
http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=92957
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At any rate, pointing the finger of blame doesn't actually get us any closer to a solution.
It hasn't seemed to stop your profession from doing it in courts the last two hundred years in this country.
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It hasn't seemed to stop your profession from doing it in courts the last two hundred years in this country.
Generally when people take an issue to court, they're asking for the finger of blame to be pointed so that a problem can be rectified by the guilty party. It's often forgotten that attorneys require parties to bring lawsuits in order for their presence in courts to be necessary.
We already know the guilty parties in this instance, and they are being taken to court in most instances. If not enough people are being arrested and/or charged for whatever reason, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed. If the voting system is flawed so as to allow these individuals to perpetuate these acts, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed.
But the typical "Nanana boo boo, 'your' side does it more than mine" response doesn't even begin to identify and address the underlying problems, much less fix them. It just panders to political dividing lines that continue to get us no where.
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Generally when people take an issue to court, they're asking for the finger of blame to be pointed so that a problem can be rectified by the guilty party. It's often forgotten that attorneys require parties to bring lawsuits in order for their presence in courts to be necessary.
We already know the guilty parties in this instance, and they are being taken to court in most instances. If not enough people are being arrested and/or charged for whatever reason, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed. If the voting system is flawed so as to allow these individuals to perpetuate these acts, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed.
But the typical "Nanana boo boo, 'your' side does it more than mine" response doesn't even begin to identify and address the underlying problems, much less fix them. It just panders to political dividing lines that continue to get us no where.
The real troublemakers can be found in Washington DC; sex perversion, child molestation, drugs, you name it and it's going on there in our own government.
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http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=92957
Awesome. Was this story ever picked-up by any MSM in this country?
So that makes 71 Democrats to 1 (perhaps 2) Republicans.
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Generally when people take an issue to court, they're asking for the finger of blame to be pointed so that a problem can be rectified by the guilty party. It's often forgotten that attorneys require parties to bring lawsuits in order for their presence in courts to be necessary.
We already know the guilty parties in this instance, and they are being taken to court in most instances. If not enough people are being arrested and/or charged for whatever reason, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed. If the voting system is flawed so as to allow these individuals to perpetuate these acts, then that's a problem that needs to be fixed.
But the typical "Nanana boo boo, 'your' side does it more than mine" response doesn't even begin to identify and address the underlying problems, much less fix them. It just panders to political dividing lines that continue to get us no where.
Well, your conclusion is probably right here; doesn't fix the problem but it helps to identify it. In the specific cases so far mentioned in this thread it does appear to be a persistent problem with Democrats more-so than Republicans and I think it's right to call them out on it and I'll continue to do so every chance that I get. I might even challenge the Republicans too.
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But the typical "Nanana boo boo, 'your' side does it more than mine" response doesn't even begin to identify and address the underlying problems, much less fix them. It just panders to political dividing lines that continue to get us no where.
I must say that I completely agree with this. You have to throw in some fuck you's, racial and IQ insults to get anywhere. BTW, you left off a Na. That could be part of the reason it doesn't work.
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Awesome. Was this story ever picked-up by any MSM in this country?
So that makes 71 Democrats to 1 (perhaps 2) Republicans.
Don't stop him. He's on a roll playing devils advocate.
Oh and he also molests collies.
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Awesome. Was this story ever picked-up by any MSM in this country?
No clue. But the media's decision to report or not report on certain incidents is an entirely separate issue. The fact of the matter is that it happens on both sides of the fence, regardless of who reports what.
So that makes 71 Democrats to 1 (perhaps 2) Republicans.
Like THS said, if one side is using dirty tactics, then the other side probably is as well. Maybe the evil media is choosing not to report Republican voter fraud? Who knows. I only spent a minute on Google to find a handful of Republicans who committed voter fraud; my list of four is by no means exhaustive.
Unless we look at actual numbers of arrests and convictions, rather than going solely by what the media decides to report to us, then we can't definitively determine that it's an institutional problem with only one political party and not the other. Even if more Democratic individuals partake in voter fraud, that alone doesn't indicate that the Democratic party as an institution is involved in or otherwise promoting voter fraud.
I agree that voter fraud is a problem, but posturing the problem as being caused by Democrats is ignoring the Republicans who also commit voter fraud. It suggests that the problem is solely due to Democrats, and thus that the problem needs to be addressed by punishing/policing Democrats or the Democratic party. In reality, it's a problem that's perpetuated by both sides, and if we're going to address that problem, then we need to acknowledge who's doing it regardless of political alignment, how they're doing it, and how to fix it.
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No clue. But the media's decision to report or not report on certain incidents is an entirely separate issue. The fact of the matter is that it happens on both sides of the fence, regardless of who reports what.
Like THS said, if one side is using dirty tactics, then the other side probably is as well. Maybe the evil media is choosing not to report Republican voter fraud? Who knows. I only spent a minute on Google to find a handful of Republicans who committed voter fraud; my list of four is by no means exhaustive.
Unless we look at actual numbers of arrests and convictions, rather than going solely by what the media decides to report to us, then we can't definitively determine that it's an institutional problem with only one political party and not the other. Even if more Democratic individuals partake in voter fraud, that alone doesn't indicate that the Democratic party as an institution is involved in or otherwise promoting voter fraud.
I agree that voter fraud is a problem, but posturing the problem as being caused by Democrats is ignoring the Republicans who also commit voter fraud. It suggests that the problem is solely due to Democrats, and thus that the problem needs to be addressed by punishing/policing Democrats or the Democratic party. In reality, it's a problem that's perpetuated by both sides, and if we're going to address that problem, then we need to acknowledge who's doing it regardless of political alignment, how they're doing it, and how to fix it.
I never said that the media was evil; just that they are highly (even hyper) partisan and favorable to the Democrats. It is, of course, a separate issue but relates to my original post on this thread.
I'm a conservative Republican so I'll posture the problem as much as I can as long as it makes Democrats look like the thuggish, ignorant, crooked, corrupt, sons-of-bitches that I generally say that they are (did I get in all the f-u's, racial, and IQ insults there?). And it's obvious that Republicans were treated differently from Democrats by the authorities in the very specific instances that we've mentioned.
In all seriousness, as was mentioned, government-issued photo id's would probably cut down on most of these problems (but not corrupt, Democrat poll workers who vote multiple times) however the Pharaoh's Justice Department and the Democrat-friendly ACLU have been active in fighting that solution for obvious reasons.
Short of this, perhaps the best solution would be to bring in international election observers from the EU and the AU since neither side can be absolutely trusted to police themselves (nor can the Justice Dept. be trusted).
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I must say that I completely agree with this. You have to throw in some fuck you's, racial and IQ insults to get anywhere. BTW, you left off a Na. That could be part of the reason it doesn't work.
That's what puts the fun into politics...well, that along visceral and intellectual hatred of the opposition.
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I'm a conservative Republican so I'll posture the problem as much as I can as long as it makes Democrats look like the thuggish, ignorant, crooked, corrupt, sons-of-bitches that I generally say that they are (did I get in all the f-u's, racial, and IQ insults there?). And it's obvious that Republicans were treated differently from Democrats by the authorities in the very specific instances that we've mentioned.
Your view of Democrats is my view of politicians in general, sadly I must say. Major reform in so many ways are needed, yet aren't happening due to people on both sides of the aisle. The system's not working, as revolutionary as that may sound.
In all seriousness, as was mentioned, government-issued photo id's would probably cut down on most of these problems (but not corrupt, Democrat poll workers who vote multiple times) however the Pharaoh's Justice Department and the Democrat-friendly ACLU have been active in fighting that solution for obvious reasons.
Showing government IDs is racist!
Yes, they should institute showing government issued IDs. But there are other issues that would need to be addressed, such as poll workers who throw out voter registration cards or absentee votes. Which is why, as you mentioned, we need to figure out who an impartial party would be and how to best involve them.
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Your view of Democrats is my view of politicians in general, sadly I must say. Major reform in so many ways are needed, yet aren't happening due to people on both sides of the aisle. The system's not working, as revolutionary as that may sound.
Showing government IDs is racist!
Yes, they should institute showing government issued IDs. But there are other issues that would need to be addressed, such as poll workers who throw out voter registration cards or absentee votes. Which is why, as you mentioned, we need to figure out who an impartial party would be and how to best involve them.
So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.
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So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.
Pffft...yeah right. Next, he'll be suggesting the brown people should vote. :rofl:
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Pffft...yeah right. Next, he'll be suggesting the brown people should vote. :rofl:
That will be the day...
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So, I guess you probably think women should be able to vote too.
No, fuck them.
Not literally, of course. I save the fucking for the dudes.