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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on February 06, 2013, 02:46:08 PM
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Let's see what our expectations should be:
Nick Saban's first recruiting class:
10 four stars
2 5.7 three stars
He picked up six four stars in January and February and three of them were junior college. His biggest get was Rolando McClain who chose Alabama at the last minute.
Les Miles's first recruiting class:
1 five star
7 four stars
2 5.7 three stars
Three four stars committed in January and February and five star Ryan Perriloux committed in February. Miles of course was taking over what Saban had already built.
Urban Meyer's first recruiting class at Florida:
1 five star
11 four stars
2 5.7 three stars
His five star and eight four star recruits committed to Florida in January and February after he was hired.
Urban Meyer at Ohio State first recruiting class:
2 five stars
14 four stars
6 5.7 three stars
7 of his 22 big time recruits committed to Meyer after he was hired.
Gus Malzahn so far:
1 five star
6 four stars
5 5.7 three stars
Four big time prospects have committed since Malzahn was hired.
We need to close strong to have a similar first recruiting class to the coaches listed above. If we land Foster and one or two more four stars, we'll look just as good as Saban's first class.
I think Malzahn is doing a great job so far, honestly.
I posted this a little while ago comparing a few of the most recent successful coaches and their first year's recruiting classes.
Gus Malzahn's first class:
2 five stars
9 four stars
7 5.7 three stars
Now, I know that recruiting services and stars do not tell the whole story. Just look at Tennessee and Florida State from 2004-2008. In addition to that, look at our program the past few years. Multiple top classes and plenty of failure on the football field.
However, I do believe that Gene Chizik's tenure at Auburn was an anomaly. 3-9 does not happen at Auburn. Being uncompetitive does not happen at Auburn. I have no doubt that even though Malzahn is not the most experienced coach in the country, he will not have us playing undisciplined, apathetic football.
We will be much better coached and will have much better player development, which means bringing in high school athletes with the potential to be great is all the more important for our future success.
With that said, I believe that Gus Malzahn just had what-could-be the most successful 1st year of recruiting in the BCS era.
Not only did he land a stellar class that competes with Saban's, Miles', and Meyer's first classes; he did so without any preseason hype (Saban), any established success (Miles) or any foundational strength (Meyer after a mediocre but not terrible Zook tenure).
Malzahn had to battle multiple NCAA allegations with current allegations making its round on the news. He had to battle the fact that Auburn was the worst team in the SEC last year. Auburn lost 9 games, 8 SEC games, and was shut out by its rivals.
Maybe some will diminish this success because of the immediate playing time Malzahn could offer. Maybe some will diminish this because he used quite a few quality JUCO players.
But one thing can be said - when there was no real reason to believe Auburn would be successful this recruiting season, Malzahn was successful. When Auburn looked to be staring at a tremendous mountain to get back on its feet, Malzahn was successful.
I'm excited. I think we all should be.
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We ain't done yet, there's still a few stragglers.
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This was impressive to me... 8 players Auburn signed today were committed elsewhere before the new staff took over.
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This was impressive to me... 8 players Auburn signed today were committed elsewhere before the new staff took over.
And they all weren't from Arkansas State.
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Any word on where Dyer's going to land? Are we still recruiting him?
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It is exciting. Still, they have to produce ON THE FIELD. Let us also not forget that he was not left with an entirely bare cupboard either. At least not from the standpoint of star power. Many of those last 3 classes have failed to materialize...yet. Some have even left campus, but it will say a lot to me when he takes a kid that was part of some of the last 3 classes that's left on campus, kids that have done nothing but fail to live up to expectations, and makes them contributors, or even better. You can't simply discard all Chizik's players because of the atmosphere that had been created. I suspect many were craving more discipline and direction, and will welcome the challenges. In fact, this class, the new staff, and renewed expectations should cause a few of those players already on the roster to up their level of commitment. The JUCO's should come in and help out immediately. I'm not saying it's going to be an immediate turnaround from worst to first, but this year's Tigers should show vast improvement if this staff is capable. I think they are. They've started off very well. I, for one, thought today would be a nice surprise, and it has been.
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It is exciting. Still, they have to produce ON THE FIELD. Let us also not forget that he was not left with an entirely bare cupboard either. At least not from the standpoint of star power. Many of those last 3 classes have failed to materialize...yet. Some have even left campus, but it will say a lot to me when he takes a kid that was part of some of the last 3 classes that's left on campus, kids that have done nothing but fail to live up to expectations, and makes them contributors, or even better. You can't simply discard all Chizik's players because of the atmosphere that had been created. I suspect many were craving more discipline and direction, and will welcome the challenges. In fact, this class, the new staff, and renewed expectations should cause a few of those players already on the roster to up their level of commitment. The JUCO's should come in and help out immediately. I'm not saying it's going to be an immediate turnaround from worst to first, but this year's Tigers should show vast improvement if this staff is capable. I think they are. They've started off very well. I, for one, thought today would be a nice surprise, and it has been.
Talent wise I agree, coaching wise they may have to start from square 1. It will take more than one seaon to un-fuck the fuck that Gene did.
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I blame Tuberville
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Talent wise I agree, coaching wise they may have to start from square 1. It will take more than one seaon to un-fuck the fuck that Gene did.
If any of them were truly worthy of their star ranking, and have a good attitude, it won't take but just this off season, and the fall to see some big time improvement. Not a total remake, but real improvement. I suspect you'll see a few get "processed" along the way for not wanting to step up their game and get with the new program.
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Talent wise I agree, coaching wise they may have to start from square 1. It will take more than one seaon to un-fuck the fuck that Gene did.
They had best acquaint themselves with the part of the creed that reads, "I believe in work, hard work" and be pretty damn quick about it.
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They had best acquaint themselves with the part of the creed that reads, "I believe in work, hard work" and be pretty damn quick about it.
I believe this. Just looking at the assistant coaches alone, I am certain that the work hard mentality was fused into the players itinerary right off the bat.
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I blame Tuberville
He just won with Pay Dye's recruits anyway.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/classrankings?class=2013&date=null
1 Alabama
2 Florida
4 Notre Dame
5 Ole Miss
6 Michigan
7 LSU
8 Texas A&M
9 Florida State
10 Georgia
11 Auburn
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2013
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Notre Dame
5. UCLA
t6. LSU
t6. Texas A&M
8. Florida
9. Georgia
10. Mississippi
11. Nebraska
12. Clemson
13. Auburn
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2013/all/all
#1 Alabama
#2 Ohio State
#3 Notre Dame
#4 Florida
#5 Michigan
#6 LSU
#7 Mississippi
#8 Auburn
http://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/TeamRankings
1 Alabama
2 Ole Miss
3 Notre Dame
4 Florida Florida
5 Ohio State
6 LSU
7 Texas A&M
8 Michigan
9 Florida State
10 Auburn
So this year the four major services have us at #8, #10, #11, & #13. Last year we were ranked #11, #14, #17, & #17 by the same services.
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So this year the four major services have us at #8, #10, #11, & #13. Last year we were ranked #11, #14, #17, & #17 by the same services.
Gus Malzahn recruited better in his first two months than Gene Chizik did the entire recruiting season after winning a national championship.
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Scout hates juco players. Fuck them. They count too.
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If they could count, they wouldn't have gone to JUCO in the first place
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Scout hates juco players. Fuck them. They count too.
Shut up. The way you act one would think Cam was a JUCO player...
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Rankings are great...fuck that noise.
Develop the players and lets go win some motherfucking ballgames!
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Rankings are great...fuck that noise.
Develop the players and lets go win some motherfucking ballgames!
No...screw you. We want.....
:starz:
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Rankings are great...fuck that noise.
Develop the players and lets go win some motherfucking ballgames!
AMEN!!
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Ohio state:
Scouts# 1
Yahoo #2
247 #5
Espn Not rated???????
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Ohio state:
Scouts# 1
Yahoo #2
247 #5
Espn Not rated???????
Self imposed sanctions.
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Ohio state:
Scouts# 1
Yahoo #2
247 #5
Espn Not rated???????
That is so weird I don't see Ohio State rated anywhere
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/espn_rank.jpg)
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That is so weird I don't see Ohio State rated anywhere
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/espn_rank.jpg)
Damn....that's freaking me out. It's like they're there....but they're not.
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Gus Malzahn's first signing class:
3 five stars (Elijah Daniel is rated a 5 star on one of the recruiting sites)
12 four stars (Barber, Marshall, Toney, Walker are rated 4 stars on atleast one of the recruiting sites)
3 5.7 three stars
Also, there's two 4 star prospects that are still considering Auburn (Toby and Corn).