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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: bottomfeeder on January 12, 2013, 05:44:20 PM

Title: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 12, 2013, 05:44:20 PM
..it's about something much bigger than us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LqSHfkLvHk
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: ssgaufan on January 12, 2013, 05:46:42 PM
Would you quit posting fucking links to facebook?
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Tiger Wench on January 12, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Would you quit posting fucking links to facebook?

Give it up.  No one is going to click on the links you post.  Not enough Anti-Virus software in the world to combat the viruses and malware that would result.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 12, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
Give it up.  No one is going to click on the links you post.  Not enough Anti-Virus software in the world to combat the viruses and malware that would result.

Only if you use windoze or mac. I'm unaffected by any of it, so I never know if it contains such.  OpenBSD

Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 14, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Only if you use windoze or mac what 99.9% of Americans use. I'm unaffected by any of it, so I never know if it contains such.  OpenBSD
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 14, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
Only if you use windoze or mac what 99.9% of Americans use. I'm unaffected by any of it, so I never know if it contains such.  OpenBSD

I started my computer experience with FORTRAN IV in 1987. Furthermore, Macintosh:

Quote
Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in Nextstep, the core of Mac OS X.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mac_OS_X

However, OS X Leopard is UNIX-compliant with some sort of certification. OS X does have FreeBSD's virtual file system, network stack, components of its userspace and few other stuff. See apples on webpage about UNIX technology that is included with OS X - http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html
I prefer BSD because it's Unix based.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: GH2001 on January 15, 2013, 09:02:37 PM
I started my computer experience with FORTRAN IV in 1987. Furthermore, Macintosh:
I prefer BSD because it's Unix based.

It's ALL unix based. All of it. Windows, android, ios, linux.  End of story.

And you just referenced fortran to show your expertise? Wow
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 15, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
And you just referenced fortran to show your expertise? Wow

No, that was the first higher language I had to take for EE.
It's ALL unix based. All of it. Windows, android, ios, linux.  End of story.

To some extent more than others.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: DnATL on January 15, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
I'm still waiting for VisualFortran
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 15, 2013, 11:32:31 PM
http://www2.emersonprocess.com/en-us/brands/ovation/Pages/index.aspx

I'm still waiting for VisualFortran
http://www.pgroup.com/products/pvf.htm
You can get Fortran compliers anywhere. Fedora has them. I don't use Fortran at all now.

http://www.softwiretechnology.com/
http://www.fieldbus.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=195
http://www.ni.com/pdf/manuals/370729a.pdf

Here's where the money is right now. Replacing old systems.

http://www.yokogawa.com/iab/pdf/suc/iab-suc-aramco-en.pdf

http://www.yokogawa.com

http://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH11/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=YOKOGAWA&cws=1
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: GH2001 on January 16, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
No, that was the first higher language I had to take for EE.
To some extent more than others.

Sucked then too. At least I can say cobol is still used a lot most notably in the financial world. There is still not another language that can do the high math/algorithms AND move that much data (millions even billions per hour).
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUJarhead on January 16, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
Sucked then too. At least I can say cobol is still used a lot most notably in the financial world. There is still not another language that can do the high math/algorithms AND move that much data (millions even billions per hour).

Yep.  Every year, Oracle tells us they are going to phase out COBOL for processing of PeopleSoft Financial Aid and Student Financials, and every year, they provide tax updates to the existing programs, because that's easier than recreating it in a different language.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 16, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
Sucked then too. At least I can say cobol is still used a lot most notably in the financial world. There is still not another language that can do the high math/algorithms AND move that much data (millions even billions per hour).

Fortran still gets used a lot in engineering, it still sucks, but it is used.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Tiger Wench on January 16, 2013, 10:54:33 AM
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Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUJarhead on January 16, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
(http://www.raybendici.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nerds1.jpg)

You are obviously a '0' type person.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Tiger Wench on January 16, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
You are obviously a '0' type person.

I thought you liked bi-women?
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 16, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
Fortran still gets used a lot in engineering, it still sucks, but it is used.

You guys don't use C++? I understand that Fortran is the gold standard for quants and scientific calculations, however I would think more engineers would use C. I took 77 and I know it has been updated long since then, I just haven't had to use it. Pascal, Matlab, C++, etc have all been adequate for my calculations. As far as the ISO 9126 standard is concerned, I would venture that C++ would be the best choice.

http://www.waveforcetechnologies.com/WaveForce%20Product%20Features.pdf

Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUTiger1 on January 16, 2013, 11:24:41 AM
Fortran still gets used a lot in engineering, it still sucks, but it is used.

Computational Fluid Dynamics.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 16, 2013, 11:28:50 AM
You guys don't use C++? I understand that Fortran is the gold standard for quants and scientific calculations, however I would think more engineers would use C. I took 77 and I know it has been updated long since then. I just haven't had to use it. Pascal, Matlab, C++, etc have all been adequate for my calculations. As far as the ISO 9126 is concerned, I would venture that C++ would be the best choice.

Nope, I took C++ in college as a tech elective and that was the last time I've used it.  We have a lot of legacy software that was written in Fortran, the most common analysis tool Nastran was written in a Fortran derivative, and when it comes to manipulating large matrices of data Fortran seems to be just more straightforward to me.

Lots of guys use Matlab too.  But that's pretty similar to Fortran from what I remember.  A large piece of structure on the Ares I (RIP) was given to me and another guy to design.  I wrote all the stress equations and he programmed them into a genetic algorithm he wrote in Matlab.  NASA wanted us to write a paper as that was kind of a novel way of doing a first cut design and we ended way ahead of the scheduling curve, he was all into it because he's a PhD.  I'm just a filthy contractor so I asked how much money was in it, when I heard it was only for the greater good of the engineering world I passed.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 16, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
Computational Fluid Dynamics.

I should have done CFD work.  Write some code and let it run for about a week, check your answers and repeat.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: DnATL on January 16, 2013, 11:29:48 AM
Computational Fluid Dynamics.
skeet skeet skeet
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: CCTAU on January 16, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
Yep.  Every year, Oracle tells us they are going to phase out COBOL for processing of PeopleSoft Financial Aid and Student Financials, and every year, they provide tax updates to the existing programs, because that's easier than recreating it in a different language.

Its cheaper. I am hoping the old mainframe COBOL solution lasts another 20 years. Then I don't give a crap.

There are probably more high tech ways to do things, but for big volume and ease of maintenance, you can't beat it.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: DnATL on January 16, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
Nope, I took C++ in college as a tech elective and that was the last time I've used it.  We have a lot of legacy software that was written in Fortran, the most common analysis tool Nastran was written in a Fortran derivative, and when it comes to manipulating large matrices of data Fortran seems to be just more straightforward to me.

Lots of guys use Matlab too.  But that's pretty similar to Fortran from what I remember.  A large piece of structure on the Ares I (RIP) was given to me and another guy to design.  I wrote all the stress equations and he programmed them into a genetic algorithm he wrote in Matlab.  NASA wanted us to write a paper as that was kind of a novel way of doing a first cut design and we ended way ahead of the scheduling curve, he was all into it because he's a PhD.  I'm just a filthy contractor so I asked how much money was in it, when I heard it was only for the greater good of the engineering world I passed.
I took an AE-dept FEM class taught by Foster one summer in grad school - focused on MSC Nastran

Computation time is fast and cheap now, so iterative solvers are efficient in lieu of direct inversion
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Oh look, Daddy.  Nerds
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 16, 2013, 11:42:03 AM
NASA wanted us to write a paper as that was kind of a novel way of doing a first cut design and we ended way ahead of the scheduling curve, he was all into it because he's a PhD.  I'm just a filthy contractor so I asked how much money was in it, when I heard it was only for the greater good of the engineering world I passed.

Ahhh...contractors.  :rofl:
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Godfather on January 16, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoFJ9M1W4G0
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: dallaswareagle on January 16, 2013, 01:07:54 PM
Oh look, Daddy. Nerds  Employees.

FTFY
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 16, 2013, 01:16:38 PM
lambda, wave vector, wave number, who needs 'em?
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUTiger1 on January 16, 2013, 01:28:30 PM
I should have done CFD work.  Write some code and let it run for about a week, check your answers and repeat.

Yup.  Tons of it is written in Fortran. 

That was the sweet part of being an SA on SuperClusters.  We couldn't touch shit while their code was running so it lead for a lot of days on the X and playing Sauerbraten in the office.  Then again, there was a lot of times that the I/O operations were so huge that it would totally hose the file system and crash all the NFS servers.  We would have to reboot and that caused us to lose hardware or nodes would just be like "Fuck it, I ain't doing this shit anymore." and we would have to start taking a look at why stuff was corrupted.   

It also sucked when he started tinkering with his source code.  He would forget to compile stuff with drivers for the interconnect and his shit wouldn't run.  When we told him it was something to do with the way he complied and was his source code he would get livid and blame it on the hardware.

"Why is the system broke and my jobs not running?"
"Did you change your code?"
"No!"
"Nothing should be wrong then as we haven't introduced any config or hardware changes. Let me investigate and sift through some logs and what not, hang on just one second."

(cd /Volumes/Users/home/customer's dir/source code dir/current source code running dir/)
(ls -lat)

"Are you sure you didn't change your code sir"
"Yes!  I am positive!"
"Well someone logged into your account and changed it b/c it was changed at 6:45 AM this morning."
"Oh, yeah I forgot about that, I did change some things this morning.  Let me call you back."

He would hang up, make changes and recompile and I wouldn't hear from him for a while.

He had plenty of money to spend at one time and we got to test a lot of cool HW before it was released to the public.  Rack, stack, cable, and test HW to get him the most cost effective solution was awesome.  He ran out of money.  :sad:

This Information Assurance thingy sucks pretty bad compared to it.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUJarhead on January 16, 2013, 01:33:46 PM

Oh look, Daddy.  Nerds Employees. Employers

FTFY

Fixed your fix.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 16, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
Oh, jeepers creepers.. I was trying to help those morons on the 3rd floor. They're trying to run RealPlayer behind a firewall without the proxy set. Can you believe that?
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 16, 2013, 03:30:57 PM
My computer is electricity based. I took typing in HS, which comes in handy with the operational features. It has this thingy that I can move this pointer and I click the thingy to navigate. It's cool beans guys. And Ive got a new pocket protector with a shit pile of pens.
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on January 16, 2013, 04:20:31 PM
My computer is electricity based. I took typing in HS, which comes in handy with the operational features. It has this thingy that I can move this pointer and I click the thingy to navigate. It's cool beans guys. And Ive got a new pocket protector with a shoot pile of pens.

Did you know it can show you picture of nekkid wimmenz?
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: AUTiger1 on January 16, 2013, 04:29:39 PM
Did you know it can show you picture of nekkid wimmenz?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp6MMYhEdxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp6MMYhEdxI)
Title: Re: It's not about us...
Post by: bottomfeeder on January 19, 2013, 09:34:42 PM
http://animoto.com/play/djFoHQkySi1mX1KGYUyDew