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Title: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
YES...YES...YES!!!  A quick look at the current roster and the list of linebackers we have.

Jake Holland  6'1"  241

Kris Frost  6'2"  233

JaViere Mitchell  6'2"  210

Justin Garrett  6'1"  215

Cassanova McKinzy  6'3"  243

Jacob Westrich  6'1"  230

Gage Batten  6'0"  232

That's it.  That's all of them...except some 193 pounder named Van Gorder.  Just sayin'.  I love the prospects of what McKinzy and Frost COULD become.  But neither has been a starter for the most part.  How about a couple of nagging injuries to McKinzy, Frost or Holland?  Do you like the back ups?  I would love to get Rueben Foster in the fold but you still can't count on a true freshman to jump into the SEC West and kick ass right away.  We hit the #1 JUCO running back and #1 JUCO guard.  Do we need to focus on a JUCO linebacker to plug in until we get numbers over the next couple of years. 

Again, I love to think about what McKinzy and Frost might do over the next few years but looking at this roster....damn....just damn.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 27, 2012, 01:27:21 PM
Looking at Scouts website, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of JUCO LB's available. I did find this one though that looks to have a previous offer from Malzahn as HC at Ark St.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5960486
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 27, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
Then there is this guy who had an offer from Georgia. Not sure if Garner would have any influence here.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=6312547
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Okay, Lucy...choo gots some splainin' to do.  Did I see earlier where Johnson runs a 5-2-4?  If so, I'm assuming a combination of McKinzy/Holland....McKinzy/Frost...Frost/Holland.  Out of the remainder, only Garrett and Mitchell have a real shot at playing time.  I've heard first hand that Mitchell is a bad mofo but he came in under 200. He's listed at 210 now on a 6'2" frame.  Still needs to beef up, as does Garrett. 

What do we do when we're trying to get a stop in short yardage/goal line situations?  How about nickle packages?  Any chance of Ladarious Owens moving to LB?  He seems big and fast enough.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 27, 2012, 03:14:29 PM
Okay, Lucy...choo gots some splainin' to do.  Did I see earlier where Johnson runs a 5-2-4?  If so, I'm assuming a combination of McKinzy/Holland....McKinzy/Frost...Frost/Holland.  Out of the remainder, only Garrett and Mitchell have a real shot at playing time.  I've heard first hand that Mitchell is a bad mofo but he came in under 200. He's listed at 210 now on a 6'2" frame.  Still needs to beef up, as does Garrett. 

What do we do when we're trying to get a stop in short yardage/goal line situations?  How about nickle packages?  Any chance of Ladarious Owens moving to LB?  He seems big and fast enough.

For all that is holy during this most religious time:

He should never see the field unless we are way up or way down.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
For all that is holy during this most religious time:

He should never see the field unless we are way up or way down.

Good Gawd, I wish that were the case.  This year, even as sorry as we were, we did have "experience" at LB with Holland, Bates and Evans. I'd feel a lot better had they worked McKinzy, Frost and Garrett into the mix more often.  But they didn't.  McKinzy played sparingly, at best.  Frost and Garrett.  Maybe mop up against Alabama A&M and NMSU.  Now, I look at that roster and think, holy fuck, we're one injury away from catastrophe.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 27, 2012, 03:43:34 PM
Good Gawd, I wish that were the case.  This year, even as sorry as we were, we did have "experience" at LB with Holland, Bates and Evans. I'd feel a lot better had they worked McKinzy, Frost and Garrett into the mix more often.  But they didn't.  McKinzy played sparingly, at best.  Frost and Garrett.  Maybe mop up against Alabama A&M and NMSU.  Now, I look at that roster and think, holy fuck, we're one injury away from catastrophe.

Sanders and LO, problem solved.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 03:45:46 PM
Just noticed they have Ladarious Owens listed at 6'2" and 260.  Tell him in the spring, "YOU are now a linebacker."  Then put...that....sonuvabitch..in the middle...and turn him loose. 
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 27, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
Just noticed they have Ladarious Owens listed at 6'2" and 260.  Tell him in the spring, "YOU are now a linebacker."  Then put...that....sonuvabitch..in the middle...and turn him loose.

I wish so bad that they would........with Craig Sanders right next him along with Cassinova and Frost.
That would be one bad ass fn LB corp.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 27, 2012, 03:56:39 PM
Just noticed they have Ladarious Owens listed at 6'2" and 260.  Tell him in the spring, "YOU are now a linebacker."  Then put...that....sonuvabitch..in the middle...and turn him loose.

You say turn him loose like that solves it.  Jake Holland was turned loose.

If you saw this 260 lb guy, would you say put him at middle linebacker and turn him loose?

(http://www.fatmanunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/260lbsbackafewyearsago.jpg)

Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
You say turn him loose like that solves it.  Jake Holland was turned loose.

If you saw this 260 lb guy, would you say put him at middle linebacker and turn him loose?

(http://www.fatmanunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/260lbsbackafewyearsago.jpg)

Apples and polmegranites.  Owens is a physical specimen and has played some from a stand up position at DE.  May be wrong but I think he was a LB in HS.  Anyone...anyone?  Not saying the transition would be easy.  I recall in his senior season, they tried Quentin Groves at outside LB for a game or two and he was obviously lost as hell.  But, that was a mid-season move after he was coming off an injury.  Just saying you could take a big, fast athlete like that in the spring and give him reps at LB.  Lord knows, it looks like we'll need the numbers. 
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 27, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
You say turn him loose like that solves it.  Jake Holland was turned loose. A blocking dummy.

If you saw this 260 lb guy, would you say put him at middle linebacker and turn him loose?

(http://www.fatmanunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/260lbsbackafewyearsago.jpg)

I'd trade some inexperience for some meanness out there.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: jmar on December 27, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
Just noticed they have Ladarious Owens listed at 6'2" and 260.  Tell him in the spring, "YOU are now a linebacker."  Then put...that....sonuvabitch..in the middle...and turn him loose.
You're right Snags. Owens might be a good move to LB, just as I thought Lemonier would have been. And even if Frost and McKinzy turn out to be Karlos Dansby and Aundray Bruce we still need help at linebacker.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 27, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
copyin' all up in yo pasta. The bio for Owens from Auburn University Athletics site.


HIGH SCHOOL -- High School Coach: Billy Woodham ... Ranked 128th on the Rivals.com Rivals250 ... No. 8-ranked outside linebacker and No. 4 player in Alabama by Rivals.com ... Ranked No. 138 in the ESPNU 150 ... No. 14-rated defensive end by ESPN.com/Scouts Inc. ... No. 17-rated outside linebacker by Scout.com ... Named an All-American, the No. 7 linebacker and the No. 4 player in Alabama by SuperPrep ... Named to the PrepStar All-American team ... 2009 EA SPORTS Third-Team All-American ... Participant in the 2010 Under Armour All-American game ... Was a 2009 Alabama-Mississippi All-Star game participant and had two sacks in the game ... Was an honorable mention selection to the Class 6A All-State Team by the Alabama Sports Writers Association as a senior and junior ... Ranked No. 4 on the Mobile Press-Register's 2009 Elite 18 ... No. 13 on the Birmingham News' list of the Alabama Super Seniors ... No. 46 on the Mobile Press-Register's Super Southeast 120 ... Honorable mention member of the Orlando Sentinel's 2009 All-Southern football team ... Finished senior season with 80 tackles, 20.5 sacks and two forced fumbles ... Recorded 92 tackles and 18 sacks as a junior.
 

Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: oldautiger on December 27, 2012, 05:47:59 PM
I'll take DL's, LB's CB's Safties - Anybody that can fucking TACKLE
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: AWK on December 27, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
I'll take DL's, LB's CB's Safties - Anybody that can fucking TACKLE
What this guy said.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 27, 2012, 07:17:07 PM
Without immediate help at LB, we are in for another long season. I don't care if Knute, Bear and Shug were to come back to life and coach the team. We couldn't score enough.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: The Prowler on December 27, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
JUCO LB Antonio Longino 6'3” 235lbs. (same JUCO as Auburn's OL Davonte Danzey) will be visiting in January.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Saniflush on December 28, 2012, 07:13:42 AM
I'll take DL's, LB's CB's Safties - Anybody that can fucking TACKLE

Jay Jacobs have any eligibility left? He can stop a program in it's tracks.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: bottomfeeder on December 28, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
All the coaches need to do to recruit these guys is show a short film of Jake Holland not being a linebacker. Immediate playing time is not only a possibility, it's a necessity.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 28, 2012, 10:50:26 AM
Jay Jacobs have any eligibility left? He can stop a program in it's tracks.

This hussell did not go unnoticed. :thumsup:
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 28, 2012, 11:23:23 AM
Could get some early help from this guy.

Cameron Toney
6'2" 230

Battled an ankle injury for a stretch of the season, but still managed 107 tackles. ... Made 18 stops in a win over Clay-Chalkville in one of the state's biggest upsets of the season, and had 16 tackles in a second-round playoff game against Vestavia Hills. ... First-team Elite last season. ... Committed to Auburn.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 28, 2012, 11:34:00 AM
Could get some early help from this guy.

Cameron Toney
6'2" 230

Battled an ankle injury for a stretch of the season, but still managed 107 tackles. ... Made 18 stops in a win over Clay-Chalkville in one of the state's biggest upsets of the season, and had 16 tackles in a second-round playoff game against Vestavia Hills. ... First-team Elite last season. ... Committed to Auburn.

After looking at the commit list for Auburn, it really pains me to see only one LB listed.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 28, 2012, 11:41:37 AM
After looking at the commit list for Auburn, it really pains me to see only one LB listed.

Unfortunately, things changed drastically with the corching turnover.  A few weeks back, that list included Rueben Foster and Trey Johnson and would have been ranked as one of the best LB classes in the nation.  Still plenty of time to get Foster back in the fold and I'm not counting anyone out just yet with the addition of Garner.  I have a feeling we may see him pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat.  At least I'm hoping....
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 28, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
Speaking of recruits.....this is a quick, totally irrelevant hijack....I was at the Dothan Downtown Hoops Classic they hold every year starting the day after Christmas. 16 HS teams in a tourney that culminates on New Year's Eve.  Saw 6A Northview (Pronounced Nawvrew) from here in Dothan, take on the number one 1A team from Florida, Malone.  Sloppy but played above the rim.  Nawvrew..err, Northview had Marquez White, an FSU commitment at cornerback, playing.  Bama has been pushing hard for him.  First team All State.  He's 6'2" and about 180.  Definitely could use some muscling up.  But dizzam...it was fun to watch a legit caliber D1 athlete show his stuff.  Prolly had close to 30 points and has major quickness and hops. Good stuff.

Irrelevant hijack over.   
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 28, 2012, 01:10:30 PM
All the coaches need to do to recruit these guys is show a short film of Jake Holland not being a linebacker. Immediate playing time is not only a possibility, it's a necessity.

Holland reminds me of this one year ( a long time ago) I participated in (Punt-Pass-Kick) and we all had about 10 to 12 boys in each division except this one and there were only two kids. The kid that came in second place was talking shit to the rest of us.    moral:

We suck so bad at linebacker that he gets to play.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on December 28, 2012, 01:14:28 PM
Irrelevant hijack over.   

Nobody gives a shit.




 :haha:
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 28, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
Nobody gives a shit.




 :haha:

Sit on it, Potsy
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: DnATL on December 28, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
Speaking of recruits.....this is a quick, totally irrelevant hijack....I was at the Dothan Downtown Hoops Classic they hold every year starting the day after Christmas. 16 HS teams in a tourney that culminates on New Year's Eve.  Saw 6A Northview (Pronounced Nawvrew) from here in Dothan, take on the number one 1A team from Florida, Malone.  Sloppy but played above the rim.  Nawvrew..err, Northview had Marquez White, an FSU commitment at cornerback, playing.  Bama has been pushing hard for him.  First team All State.  He's 6'2" and about 180.  Definitely could use some muscling up.  But dizzam...it was fun to watch a legit caliber D1 athlete show his stuff.  Prolly had close to 30 points and has major quickness and hops. Good stuff.

Irrelevant hijack over.   
This story could have used more cowbell brother-in-law
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2013, 10:03:16 AM
Speaking of recruits.....this is a quick, totally irrelevant hijack....I was at the Dothan Downtown Hoops Classic they hold every year starting the day after Christmas. 16 HS teams in a tourney that culminates on New Year's Eve.  Saw 6A Northview (Pronounced Nawvrew) from here in Dothan, take on the number one 1A team from Florida, Malone.  Sloppy but played above the rim.  Nawvrew..err, Northview had Marquez White, an FSU commitment at cornerback, playing.  Bama has been pushing hard for him.  First team All State.  He's 6'2" and about 180.  Definitely could use some muscling up.  But dizzam...it was fun to watch a legit caliber D1 athlete show his stuff.  Prolly had close to 30 points and has major quickness and hops. Good stuff.

Irrelevant hijack over.   

I bump my own irrelevant quote to say Dameyune Craig was recruiting this kid and was on the sidelines during the last Northview game.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
I bump my own irrelevant quote to say Dameyune Craig was recruiting this kid and was on the sidelines during the last Northview game.

BIL skreets are for real. Take notice folks.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
BIL skreets are for real. Take notice folks.

Word is, Craig had lunch with D'Glester Hardunkichud's mama last week.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 10:10:11 AM
Word is, Craig had lunch with D'Glester Hardunkichud's mama last week.

Please, oh PA-LEEASSEE tell me he is actively helping to recruit T'Jarvious Oberblauw behind the scenes. The rumors are killing me.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2013, 10:12:08 AM
Please, oh PA-LEEASSEE tell me he is actively helping to recruit T'Jarvious Oberblauw behind the scenes. The rumors are killing me.

I'll see what I can find out.  I do know Cleophus Babies and Ozmataz Buckshank are scheduled to visit next Tuesday at 2:15.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 10:16:24 AM
I'll see what I can find out.  I do know Cleophus Babies and Ozmataz Buckshank are scheduled to visit next Tuesday at 2:15.

Don't tease me you bastard. Can you say Road Trip to teh Planez next Tuesday? Hi Five
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
Don't tease me you bastard. Can you say Road Trip to teh Planez next Tuesday? Hi Five

I'll pick up the Nacho Cheese Combos and Sunny Delight.  You grab a vegetable tray and maybe some Twizzlers and I'll pick you up around 9:00. 
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 02:44:10 PM
I'll pick up the Nacho Cheese Combos and Sunny Delight.  You grab a vegetable tray and maybe some Twizzlers and I'll pick you up around 9:00.

Good idea on the time. We'll stake out early and just wait for their anticipated arrival. I'm so excited.....and I just can't hide it. Im about to lose control and I think I like it.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 04, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
Good idea on the time. We'll stake out early and just wait for their anticipated arrival. I'm so excited.....and I just can't hide it. Im about to lose control and I think I like it.
I thought you two had been getting pretty friendly but I had no idea that it had come to switch hitting.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
I thought you two had been getting pretty friendly but I had no idea that it had come to switch hitting.

Well I guess you know now. Its ok, Snags doesn't have any nuts, so no harm no foul.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 04, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Well I guess you know now. Its ok, Snags doesn't have any nuts, so no harm no foul.

Yep.  You can't get pregnant.  Trust me.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on January 04, 2013, 03:20:37 PM
Yep.  You can't get pregnant.  Trust me.

Who would want to get you pregnant anyway. No, not even me.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: GH2001 on January 04, 2013, 03:24:18 PM
Who would want to get you pregnant anyway. No, not even me.

And THIS GUY ^^^ is def the expert on that subject matter too.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 04, 2013, 05:42:30 PM
And THIS GUY ^^^ is def the expert on that subject matter too.
Yous guys could head straight on up to Maryland and tie the knot, as of the new year it's legal.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on January 04, 2013, 06:09:17 PM
Yous guys could head straight on up to Maryland and tie the knot, as of the new year it's legal.

Uh oh, sounds like sumbody has gotten upset for us messn wif his Wiregrass buddy.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 04, 2013, 06:58:54 PM
Uh oh, sounds like sumbody has gotten upset for us messn wif his Wiregrass buddy.
Look, I may or may not feel jilted but there is no sense in pointing this out pubicly on this forum. It's a private matter between Snags, ND2001 and meself.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 05, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
Holland reminds me of this one year ( a long time ago) I participated in (Punt-Pass-Kick) and we all had about 10 to 12 boys in each division except this one and there were only two kids. The kid that came in second place was talking shoot to the rest of us.    moral:

We suck so bad at linebacker that he gets to play.
So, am I correct in surmising that you came in first in your division in the punt-pass-kick contest? If so, why in the hell didn't you already say so? No wonder you know so much about foosball.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: djsimp on January 05, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
So, am I correct in surmising that you came in first in your division in the punt-pass-kick contest? If so, why in the hell didn't you already say so? No wonder you know so much about foosball.

Yes, at Tecmo Bowl.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on January 05, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Yes, at Tecmo Bowl.
Then I wonder why Dallas didn't volunteer to take over our O or D last year, with those kind of credentials. Dammit! We could've prob won 4 games.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: dallaswareagle on January 05, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
So, am I correct in surmising that you came in first in your division in the punt-pass-kick contest? If so, why in the hell didn't you already say so? No wonder you know so much about foosball.

No, I came in around 10th or 12th. Hence why I dog out other foosball players who are worst than me.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: The Prowler on January 08, 2013, 04:31:03 AM
Off Topic: An Auburn recruit or two have been trying to recruit Mr. Marquez White. If he takes a visit to Auburn, with Dameyune Craig now passionately recruiting for his alma mater, watch out.

Okay, now back to whatever this thread turned into.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on January 08, 2013, 10:00:55 AM
.....this is a quick, totally irrelevant hijack....

Irrelevant hijack over.   

This is how all your posts should begin and end.
Title: Re: Do We Really Need To Sign Linebackers?
Post by: Snaggletiger on January 08, 2013, 10:25:58 AM
This is how all your posts should begin and end.

Don't make me call my BIL