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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on September 11, 2012, 04:55:04 PM
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Well..unless we do go 0-12 or 3-8, which I do seriously doubt is going to happen.
Tommy Tuberville's first four years - 30-19
Chizik's first three years and two games - 30-12
If you want to say "Cam Newton!" then let's see the worst three years in their first four:
Tuberville's worst three years in his first four - 21-15
Chizik's worst two years and two games - 16-12
Tuberville's worst two - 12-11
Chizik's worst two - 16-10
Not to mention, under Chizik, recruiting is up and we have a new Heisman winner and a BCS crystal.
I've heard a lot of talk about how Chizik could lose his job this year. I really don't see it happening unless we really do tank to the point of no return.
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Well..unless we do go 0-12 or 3-8, which I do seriously doubt is going to happen.
Tommy Tuberville's first four years - 30-19
Chizik's first three years and two games - 30-12
If you want to say "Cam Newton!" then let's see the worst three years in their first four:
Tuberville's worst three years in his first four - 21-15
Chizik's worst two years and two games - 16-12
Tuberville's worst two - 12-11
Chizik's worst two - 16-10
Not to mention, under Chizik, recruiting is up and we have a new Heisman winner and a BCS crystal.
I've heard a lot of talk about how Chizik could lose his job this year. I really don't see it happening unless we really do tank to the point of no return.
That seat will get awful hot if we lose to the Warhawks on Saturday
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That seat will get awful hot if we lose to the Warhawks on Saturday
Probably.
But I really don't think we're going to lose.
Arkansas was plagued by injuries last Saturday, and they had the game won until LA Monroe went on a 14-0 run in the 4th quarter. Plus, LA Monroe needed some heroics at the very end of the game to pull out the win, and I don't trust that with the neck/concussion/spinal injury to that Arkansas defensive back that the other guys gave two shits about the game.
We'll run behind Mason and Blakeley and McCalebb and Prosch and bully our way down the field. The defense will look like shit and we'll win a close one. Maybe we'll make some noise on special teams to pull away.
So Chizik's number to save his job is 5 if you ask me. LA Monroe, New Mexico State, Alabama A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt.
That'd be six. And a bowl game. And we'd win the bowl game because, oh yeah, Chizik's 3-0 in bowl games.
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Arkansas
You really think we can beat them? I see 5 wins, with us having to upset Arkansas or aTm to get to a bowl game.
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Until we prove we can score...until Kalil Frayzher proves he can hit an elephant at five paces...until our defense proves they can tackle ANYBODY or cover ANYBODY...ULM wins this game. So far in two games, none of the above has happened. What makes anyone think the light will suddenly click on Saturday?
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Probably.
But I really don't think we're going to lose.
Arkansas was plagued by injuries last Saturday, and they had the game won until LA Monroe went on a 14-0 run in the 4th quarter. Plus, LA Monroe needed some heroics at the very end of the game to pull out the win, and I don't trust that with the neck/concussion/spinal injury to that Arkansas defensive back that the other guys gave two shits about the game.
We'll run behind Mason and Blakeley and McCalebb and Prosch and bully our way down the field. The defense will look like shit and we'll win a close one. Maybe we'll make some noise on special teams to pull away.
So Chizik's number to save his job is 5 if you ask me. LA Monroe, New Mexico State, Alabama A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt.
That'd be six. And a bowl game. And we'd win the bowl game because, oh yeah, Chizik's 3-0 in bowl games.
Six wins and a bowl win would be a cause for celebration.
It will take a lot of un-fucking of that product we saw on the field Saturday to get there.
I don't see how we win more than two between Ole Miss, Vandy, aTm, & Arkansas.
I think he needs to go 6-6 to survive.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0QjcGgLBjQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0QjcGgLBjQ)
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Seriously though I don't see Chizik getting fired. Not this year. Not unless all these BS rumors are somehow true and tied to him like an albatross.
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Probably.
But I really don't think we're going to lose.
Arkansas was plagued by injuries last Saturday, and they had the game won until LA Monroe went on a 14-0 run in the 4th quarter. Plus, LA Monroe needed some heroics at the very end of the game to pull out the win, and I don't trust that with the neck/concussion/spinal injury to that Arkansas defensive back that the other guys gave two shits about the game.
We'll run behind Mason and Blakeley and McCalebb and Prosch and bully our way down the field. The defense will look like shit and we'll win a close one. Maybe we'll make some noise on special teams to pull away.
So Chizik's number to save his job is 5 if you ask me. LA Monroe, New Mexico State, Alabama A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt.
That'd be six. And a bowl game. And we'd win the bowl game because, oh yeah, Chizik's 3-0 in bowl games.
yeah but we're plagued by frazier and holland. what's your point.
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Six wins and a bowl win would be a cause for celebration.
It will take a lot of un-fucking of that product we saw on the field Saturday to get there.
I don't see how we win more than two between Ole Miss, Vandy, & Arkansas.
I think he needs to go 6-6 to survive.
It's going to happen.
I don't like where the program is right now. I think it's below Auburn's standards.
I don't think the suckage has manifested enough to persuade the PTB to fire Gene Chizik. Let's not forget that we overachieved in 2009, won a national championship in 2010, and overachieved last season considering we had a suckass football team with no quarterback and thought we were rebuilding.
My point isn't to say that we should be lauding Chizik's efforts, but I do mean to convey the idea that Gene Chizik has been praised and lauded in the past for what he's done. He has gotten the job done at times we didn't think possible. He has recruited lights out according to the recruiting services.
He's done enough in his tenure to make me think that we'll win a few games we don't think we will. And when we start winning a few games, the "wait til next year" talk will spring up and he'll be kept one more year.
This season is the first time we've truly questioned Chizik, and they aren't going to fire him for it.
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Two years after the BCSNC and we have to hope to beat those pansies to make a bowl game? :wtf:
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Anyone catch Barrett Trotter on Finebaum today? I have given up that show but saw on the Twitters that Trotts would be on so I tuned in.
Wasn't exactly a glowing endorsement of Chizik or the Auburn program.
For part of it, Trotter came off like a whiny biatch but for part of it he sounded like a guy who got royally screwed by people that just weren't interested in him.
Anyways, if I can find the audio, I'll like later.
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Until we prove we can score...until Kalil Frayzher proves he can hit an elephant at five paces...until our defense proves they can tackle ANYBODY or cover ANYBODY...ULM wins this game. So far in two games, none of the above has happened. What makes anyone think the light will suddenly click on Saturday?
I have seen people throw out numbers like 31, 27, 24, 21.....I am just not buying it. We have one, count that, one offensive TD this year. The other came when squirrel took one to the house on a kick off. My confidence is low.
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Linkage to the Trotter talk---->http://finebaum.com/sectional.asp?id=38693&page=1 (http://finebaum.com/sectional.asp?id=38693&page=1)
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I don't think we're at the point of firing Chizik. Shouldn't be. It's just that the abortion that happened in Starkville was so off the charts pathetic, you really have to question how that team could beat anybody. How is there any way that team does not go 0-5 to start off? After Clemson, I thought we played a horrible game. But, I thought they'd work out the kinks...it'd be a dog fight in Starkville but I had every confidence we'd get somewhat on track. Too much talent. But, our big boys on D were getting pushed around...hell, one time after a play Saturday, I said "They're changing out some guys, here comes Whitaker".
Um...no. He just got blocked all the way to the sideline
Our LB's are still running away from plays. Our DB's aren't close to anyone. And our starting QB has a rating of negative eleventeen. Oh, and our back ups are Clint Moseley with a bum shoulder and a true freshman who throws worse than Frayzha.
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Anyone catch Barrett Trotter on Finebaum today? I have given up that show but saw on the Twitters that Trotts would be on so I tuned in.
Wasn't exactly a glowing endorsement of Chizik or the Auburn program.
For part of it, Trotter came off like a whiny biatch but for part of it he sounded like a guy who got royally screwed by people that just weren't interested in him.
Anyways, if I can find the audio, I'll like later.
Let me throw out a general question. Why...pray tell...would Paul Finebaum be interested in interviewing an ex Auburn QB who played in 5-6 games last year....and quit? To talk strategy? To get an insightful look into the Auburn program? Hmmm....
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Shouldn't be.
We should be. But this is college football, and to be successful, your coach has to be able to sell the program and firing coaches too quickly doesn't work.
If this were the NFL, we'd just fire him and sign the players we need.
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We should be. But this is college football, and to be successful, your coach has to be able to sell the program and firing coaches too quickly doesn't work.
If this were the NFL, we'd just fire him and sign the players we need.
Not if we were the Miami Dolphins
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Not if we were the Miami Dolphins
Do that Hustle.
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My ledge is different today.
I watched as much of the replay as I could take.
If we had the second worst quarterback in the history of college football we are 2-0 today and only slightly nervous. We have THE WORST quarterback. Who knew that it could be worse than Moseley?
Forget the defensive issues for a moment. When every series is 3-out on offense it just breaks down.
I saw at least a dozen second and third down chances where an orangutan with jock itch could have made a play to move the chains. Frazier failed on every one. And it wasn't like he had to check his third or fourth option. It was first or second read. Would not pull the trigger. Didn't pick up the rush and hit the easy dump.
Add a dozen first downs. Limit MSU by two possessions.
We don't win in a rout but that was a winnable game.
Everything else but Frazier and Holland is fixable and close enough that we could get it together.
But Frazier is so astonishingly awful that barring a miracle there is no hope. Chiz better recruit a real QB. Now. None of the commits fit the bill.
If Frazier was even a half ass QB we are 1-1 at worst. He's got a long way to go to be even half ass. So many things wrong with him mentally and physically I don't see any chance he gets much better.
So I still think we are fucked but I also think Chizik is handcuffed by the shitiest assortment of fake ass quarterbacks in the game. In any game. Even pee wee.
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The way the QB situation is now, I'd be willing to bet the coaches go after a JUCO transfer for 2013.
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The way the QB situation is now, I'd be willing to bet the coaches go after a JUCO transfer for 2013.
If they don't they will be coaching out of their suitcases next year.
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My ledge is different today.
I watched as much of the replay as I could take.
If we had the second worst quarterback in the history of college football we are 2-0 today and only slightly nervous. We have THE WORST quarterback. Who knew that it could be worse than Moseley?
Forget the defensive issues for a moment. When every series is 3-out on offense it just breaks down.
I saw at least a dozen second and third down chances where an orangutan with jock itch could have made a play to move the chains. Frazier failed on every one. And it wasn't like he had to check his third or fourth option. It was first or second read. Would not pull the trigger. Didn't pick up the rush and hit the easy dump.
Add a dozen first downs. Limit MSU by two possessions.
We don't win in a rout but that was a winnable game.
Everything else but Frazier and Holland is fixable and close enough that we could get it together.
But Frazier is so astonishingly awful that barring a miracle there is no hope. Chiz better recruit a real QB. Now. None of the commits fit the bill.
If Frazier was even a half ass QB we are 1-1 at worst. He's got a long way to go to be even half ass. So many things wrong with him mentally and physically I don't see any chance he gets much better.
So I still think we are fucked but I also think Chizik is handcuffed by the shitiest assortment of fake ass quarterbacks in the game. In any game. Even pee wee.
He didn't just miss 1st down completion throws he straight up did not see wide open receivers streaking down the field.
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Well..unless we do go 0-12 or 3-8, which I do seriously doubt is going to happen.
Tommy Tuberville's first four years - 30-19
Chizik's first three years and two games - 30-12
If you want to say "Cam Newton!" then let's see the worst three years in their first four:
Tuberville's worst three years in his first four - 21-15
Chizik's worst two years and two games - 16-12
Tuberville's worst two - 12-11
Chizik's worst two - 16-10
Not to mention, under Chizik, recruiting is up and we have a new Heisman winner and a BCS crystal.
I've heard a lot of talk about how Chizik could lose his job this year. I really don't see it happening unless we really do tank to the point of no return.
Lets say we go 3-9 (Could happen) Do they give him a year to un-fuck what he fucked up? And if they do what does he do to un-fuck it?
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If they don't they will be coaching out of their suitcases next year.
Its sad, but a JUCO transfer is the only way to get out of this abomination at this point. A lot of
good all the talent on the team does if there is not one QB on the depth chart to be the General.
Sad sad situation this football team is in.
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The way the QB situation is now, I'd be willing to bet the coaches go after a JUCO transfer for 2013.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2012-junior-college-football-profile-top-dual-threat-022100503--spt.html
It's a shame so few can ball like Mr. Newton's boy.
*I'm assuming Turtle (still recovering from last year) doesn't want anymore of what's to come and then we have the third teamer whomever that lucky devil might be.
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My ledge is different today.
I watched as much of the replay as I could take.
If we had the second worst quarterback in the history of college football we are 2-0 today and only slightly nervous. We have THE WORST quarterback. Who knew that it could be worse than Moseley?
Forget the defensive issues for a moment. When every series is 3-out on offense it just breaks down.
I saw at least a dozen second and third down chances where an orangutan with jock itch could have made a play to move the chains. Frazier failed on every one. And it wasn't like he had to check his third or fourth option. It was first or second read. Would not pull the trigger. Didn't pick up the rush and hit the easy dump.
Add a dozen first downs. Limit MSU by two possessions.
We don't win in a rout but that was a winnable game.
Everything else but Frazier and Holland is fixable and close enough that we could get it together.
But Frazier is so astonishingly awful that barring a miracle there is no hope. Chiz better recruit a real QB. Now. None of the commits fit the bill.
If Frazier was even a half ass QB we are 1-1 at worst. He's got a long way to go to be even half ass. So many things wrong with him mentally and physically I don't see any chance he gets much better.
So I still think we are fucked but I also think Chizik is handcuffed by the shitiest assortment of fake ass quarterbacks in the game. In any game. Even pee wee.
This is exactly where I've been since I witnessed that baby-seal abortion on the field Saturday.
I find it hard to blame Chizik directly, but a more nuanced blame of "How the fuck did you let the QB situation get this bad???" is another issue all together.
Frazier is the problem. Holland's a close second.
Additionally, not having anyone on scholarship who can do better than that is mind-fucking.
I am no Uncle Ricco. I'm not even good at backyard QBing, nor was I ever. But I feel like I could have done at least as good a job as Frazier did in that game. I could scramble, miss every single blatantly wide-ass open read, and then collapse into a pile. I could devote all of my attention to the blitz and still fail miserably to avoid it. There has GOT to be a walk-on at Auburn that can pull off a performance better than that. That's how bad he was.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2012-junior-college-football-profile-top-dual-threat-022100503--spt.html
It's a shame so few can ball like Mr. Newton's boy.
*I'm assuming Turtle (still recovering from last year) doesn't want anymore of what's to come and then we have the third teamer whomever that lucky devil might be.
Cedric McCloud - Arizona Western College
The 6'2, 230-pound sophomore transferred from Kent State.
In one game with the Golden Flashes in 2011, McCloud completed 6-of-his 22 passes (27.3%) for 63 yards.
Let's go after this guy, he has great accuracy.
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Lets say we go 3-9 (Could happen) Do they give him a year to un-fuck what he fucked up? And if they do what does he do to un-fuck it?
No. They give him a year so that Auburn looks better firing a coach who won us a national championship.
It has nothing to do with saving Chizik's program. After four years of the same kind of piss poor, give up hundreds of yards and put the ballgame entirely on the offense's shoulders, there's no reason to expect it to ever get better. This is what Chizik's head coaching produces in a defense. When the offense is killer, we're competitive (09, 10). When the offense is a dud, we're one of the worst teams in the SEC (11, 12).
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Lets say we go 3-9 (Could happen) Do they give him a year to un-fuck what he fucked up? And if they do what does he do to un-fuck it?
Starts with Chizik getting a grasp on the situation now. Realize that this season is 3 months of extra practice, start playing the young players immediately and start teaching them something. Something they obviously have not done in the past. In my opinion we are weak in he secondary, LB's, inside D line, QB and maybe WR. Not sold on the talent at WR because there has been no real way to grade them as we can't get them the ball and our best WR will be gone next year. Also we no size at runnunig back, another failure over the last 4 years. If we start playing the real young ones the coaches can evaluate needs sooner and get a better idea of what we will need next year.
After the season, Chizik keeps current staff in place but finds someone that can actually teach fundamentals of football, blocking tackling etc. Recruit areas of need, first and foremost find a QB that can step in and play immediately. Find a RB that ways more than 220 lbs, fill in holes on D line and find some LB's that way more than 240lbs. And finally find receivers that can catch the ball with size, don't care if they are fast enough to run track, as long as they can catch a fucking football and block. Yes it is nice to recruit "more stars" but this recruiting class has got to find players that will fill needs and be able to play now.
Then Chizik needs to get control of the team designate some leaders and get rid of all the bullshit that is going on off the field. Put the fire of God in the players, work their asses off and teach them what hard work really is and teach them that character is more than just words.
The most important thing in my opinion is start teaching football, morals and how to make yourself better. To me football was always a building block. It taught me how to be tough, how to work as a team, how to follow orders, how to lead, how to be a better person and how to be a winner. Most importantly it taught me that you are not always going to win but if you work towards something you can damn sure achieve what you want. Even after being defeated, you pick yourself up, learn from it and get ready for more, never be a quitter. This might sound like some gay shit, but it's true and I feel like it is what is missing under current coach. He might preach it but it is not sinking in. All are apparent with all of the off the field issues and attrition we have seen over the last 3 years.
I am not convinced that Chizik needs to go, but it damn sure is time that he has a gut check with himself.
That's my 2 cents that might not add up to shit.
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Starts with Chizik getting a grasp on the situation now. Realize that this season is 3 months of extra practice, start playing the young players immediately and start teaching them something. Something they obviously have not done in the past. In my opinion we are weak in he secondary, LB's, inside D line, QB and maybe WR. Not sold on the talent at WR because there has been no real way to grade them as we can't get them the ball and our best WR will be gone next year. Also we no size at runnunig back, another failure over the last 4 years. If we start playing the real young ones the coaches can evaluate needs sooner and get a better idea of what we will need next year.
After the season, Chizik keeps current staff in place but finds someone that can actually teach fundamentals of football, blocking tackling etc. Recruit areas of need, first and foremost find a QB that can step in and play immediately. Find a RB that ways more than 220 lbs, fill in holes on D line and find some LB's that way more than 240lbs. And finally find receivers that can catch the ball with size, don't care if they are fast enough to run track, as long as they can catch a fucking football and block. Yes it is nice to recruit "more stars" but this recruiting class has got to find players that will fill needs and be able to play now.
Then Chizik needs to get control of the team designate some leaders and get rid of all the bullshit that is going on off the field. Put the fire of God in the players, work their asses off and teach them what hard work really is and teach them that character is more than just words.
The most important thing in my opinion is start teaching football, morals and how to make yourself better. To me football was always a building block. It taught me how to be tough, how to work as a team, how to follow orders, how to lead, how to be a better person and how to be a winner. Most importantly it taught me that you are not always going to win but if you work towards something you can damn sure achieve what you want. Even after being defeated, you pick yourself up, learn from it and get ready for more, never be a quitter. This might sound like some gay shit, but it's true and I feel like it is what is missing under current coach. He might preach it but it is not sinking in. All are apparent with all of the off the field issues and attrition we have seen over the last 3 years.
I am not convinced that Chizik needs to go, but it damn sure is time that he has a gut check with himself.
That's my 2 cents that might not add up to shit.
Good post
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Starts with Chizik getting a grasp on the situation now. Realize that this season is 3 months of extra practice, start playing the young players immediately and start teaching them something. Something they obviously have not done in the past. In my opinion we are weak in he secondary, LB's, inside D line, QB and maybe WR. Not sold on the talent at WR because there has been no real way to grade them as we can't get them the ball and our best WR will be gone next year. Also we no size at runnunig back, another failure over the last 4 years. If we start playing the real young ones the coaches can evaluate needs sooner and get a better idea of what we will need next year.
After the season, Chizik keeps current staff in place but finds someone that can actually teach fundamentals of football, blocking tackling etc. Recruit areas of need, first and foremost find a QB that can step in and play immediately. Find a RB that ways more than 220 lbs, fill in holes on D line and find some LB's that way more than 240lbs. And finally find receivers that can catch the ball with size, don't care if they are fast enough to run track, as long as they can catch a fucking football and block. Yes it is nice to recruit "more stars" but this recruiting class has got to find players that will fill needs and be able to play now.
Then Chizik needs to get control of the team designate some leaders and get rid of all the bullshit that is going on off the field. Put the fire of God in the players, work their asses off and teach them what hard work really is and teach them that character is more than just words.
The most important thing in my opinion is start teaching football, morals and how to make yourself better. To me football was always a building block. It taught me how to be tough, how to work as a team, how to follow orders, how to lead, how to be a better person and how to be a winner. Most importantly it taught me that you are not always going to win but if you work towards something you can damn sure achieve what you want. Even after being defeated, you pick yourself up, learn from it and get ready for more, never be a quitter. This might sound like some gay shit, but it's true and I feel like it is what is missing under current coach. He might preach it but it is not sinking in. All are apparent with all of the off the field issues and attrition we have seen over the last 3 years.
I am not convinced that Chizik needs to go, but it damn sure is time that he has a gut check with himself.
That's my 2 cents that might not add up to shit.
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What I've been asking myself today is "WWIDIIWG" What would I do if I were Gene.
He can't magically shit a quarterback.
Frazier was a big star guy. I say we never, ever, ever recruit another big shot QB out of Arkansas, but that's a different story. He was recruited because we thought he could take over the job. He was rated just as high as McCarron who hasn't struggled.
Trotter was already there. Moseley? Took a chance on a feel-good story. No way Chizik ever thought that can of fail would ever play a down. But we connected with the community on that one.
Got Rollison. He couldn't cut it.
Got Pike. His head was full of worms and it couldn't be fixed.
We made a play for Winston but the media made sure that was blocked off.
Had Cam and expected two years. Got one and it was amazing. Tried to plug the hole with Wilson -- who would have done better at AU with Malzahn than he did at Wisconsin.
All that led to this.
What the fuck else does he do on Saturday? It's not like he's got a redshirt sitting around who's going to be the future and he can just go "fuck it, need him now." Moseley has shown he sucks sasquatch ass. And he's fucking injured which will only lead to turtle as soon as he gets the snap.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out what other options there might be. What good choices does Chizik have.
Yeah, there are some questions about how it got to this place but as I like to tell the people who work for me, I don't care about any of the background shit at the moment; we will come back to that later. What are you going to do to solve the problem today?
If I were Chizik I couldn't solve the immediate problem. It's unsolvable. All we can do now is watch to see how he takes care of the long term issue.
We have good receivers. There has to be a QB out there in recruiting land who would like to come to a good program where he's going to have the entire offense in his hands.
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Starts with Chizik getting a grasp on the situation now. Realize that this season is 3 months of extra practice, start playing the young players immediately and start teaching them something. Something they obviously have not done in the past. In my opinion we are weak in he secondary, LB's, inside D line, QB and maybe WR. Not sold on the talent at WR because there has been no real way to grade them as we can't get them the ball and our best WR will be gone next year. Also we no size at runnunig back, another failure over the last 4 years. If we start playing the real young ones the coaches can evaluate needs sooner and get a better idea of what we will need next year.
After the season, Chizik keeps current staff in place but finds someone that can actually teach fundamentals of football, blocking tackling etc. Recruit areas of need, first and foremost find a QB that can step in and play immediately. Find a RB that ways more than 220 lbs, fill in holes on D line and find some LB's that way more than 240lbs. And finally find receivers that can catch the ball with size, don't care if they are fast enough to run track, as long as they can catch a fucking football and block. Yes it is nice to recruit "more stars" but this recruiting class has got to find players that will fill needs and be able to play now.
Then Chizik needs to get control of the team designate some leaders and get rid of all the bullshit that is going on off the field. Put the fire of God in the players, work their asses off and teach them what hard work really is and teach them that character is more than just words.
The most important thing in my opinion is start teaching football, morals and how to make yourself better. To me football was always a building block. It taught me how to be tough, how to work as a team, how to follow orders, how to lead, how to be a better person and how to be a winner. Most importantly it taught me that you are not always going to win but if you work towards something you can damn sure achieve what you want. Even after being defeated, you pick yourself up, learn from it and get ready for more, never be a quitter. This might sound like some gay shit, but it's true and I feel like it is what is missing under current coach. He might preach it but it is not sinking in. All are apparent with all of the off the field issues and attrition we have seen over the last 3 years.
I am not convinced that Chizik needs to go, but it damn sure is time that he has a gut check with himself.
That's my 2 cents that might not add up to shit.
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What I've been asking myself today is "WWIDIIWG" What would I do if I were Gene.
He can't magically shit a quarterback.
Frazier was a big star guy. I say we never, ever, ever recruit another big shot QB out of Arkansas, but that's a different story. He was recruited because we thought he could take over the job. He was rated just as high as McCarron who hasn't struggled.
Trotter was already there. Moseley? Took a chance on a feel-good story. No way Chizik ever thought that can of fail would ever play a down. But we connected with the community on that one.
Got Rollison. He couldn't cut it.
Got Pike. His head was full of worms and it couldn't be fixed.
We made a play for Winston but the media made sure that was blocked off.
Had Cam and expected two years. Got one and it was amazing. Tried to plug the hole with Wilson -- who would have done better at AU with Malzahn than he did at Wisconsin.
All that led to this.
What the fuck else does he do on Saturday? It's not like he's got a redshirt sitting around who's going to be the future and he can just go "fuck it, need him now." Moseley has shown he sucks sasquatch ass. And he's fucking injured which will only lead to turtle as soon as he gets the snap.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out what other options there might be. What good choices does Chizik have.
Yeah, there are some questions about how it got to this place but as I like to tell the people who work for me, I don't care about any of the background shit at the moment; we will come back to that later. What are you going to do to solve the problem today?
If I were Chizik I couldn't solve the immediate problem. It's unsolvable. All we can do now is watch to see how he takes care of the long term issue.
We have good receivers. There has to be a QB out there in recruiting land who would like to come to a good program where he's going to have the entire offense in his hands.
You are correct, our team would not be as bad as we and the media are saying if we had any offensive production. Yes we have flaws in many places but if our offense could assist in keeping our defense off the field we improve dramatically. We have no other option at QB this year besides a true freshman that did not have the stars. Frazier has got to learn to make decisions under pressure. He seriously has to practice at full speed while taking hits it is the only way to speed up his progression, and why not put the freshman for a few series?
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What I've been asking myself today is "WWIDIIWG" What would I do if I were Gene.
He can't magically shit a quarterback.
Frazier was a big star guy. I say we never, ever, ever recruit another big shot QB out of Arkansas, but that's a different story. He was recruited because we thought he could take over the job. He was rated just as high as McCarron who hasn't struggled.
Trotter was already there. Moseley? Took a chance on a feel-good story. No way Chizik ever thought that can of fail would ever play a down. But we connected with the community on that one.
Got Rollison. He couldn't cut it.
Got Pike. His head was full of worms and it couldn't be fixed.
We made a play for Winston but the media made sure that was blocked off.
Had Cam and expected two years. Got one and it was amazing. Tried to plug the hole with Wilson -- who would have done better at AU with Malzahn than he did at Wisconsin.
All that led to this.
What the fuck else does he do on Saturday? It's not like he's got a redshirt sitting around who's going to be the future and he can just go "fuck it, need him now." Moseley has shown he sucks sasquatch ass. And he's fucking injured which will only lead to turtle as soon as he gets the snap.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out what other options there might be. What good choices does Chizik have.
Yeah, there are some questions about how it got to this place but as I like to tell the people who work for me, I don't care about any of the background shit at the moment; we will come back to that later. What are you going to do to solve the problem today?
If I were Chizik I couldn't solve the immediate problem. It's unsolvable. All we can do now is watch to see how he takes care of the long term issue.
We have good receivers. There has to be a QB out there in recruiting land who would like to come to a good program where he's going to have the entire offense in his hands.
Agree.
And never EVER thought I would say this, but I don't think I have seen Moseley look as bad in games as KF has looked the last two. CM is bad, yes. But my god, this shit is the worst Ive ever seen in re: to QB play. I think at least Moseley is HALF ASS accurate. KF doesn't see WRs. And when he does, he can't hit the broad side of a barn. Should we try Moseley? A lot of his issue last year was crumpling like a dollar bill when OL protection wasn't optimal. If the OL is slightly improved this year, maybe that's all he needs to be at least halfway serviceable. I'm really just asking for a way to tread water until we can find a Qb from either HS or JUCO. Not asking Moseley to even be avg or above avg. Just NOT KF.
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Agree.
And never EVER thought I would say this, but I don't think I have seen Moseley look as bad in games as KF has looked the last two. CM is bad, yes. But my god, this shit is the worst Ive ever seen in re: to QB play. I think at least Moseley is HALF ASS accurate. KF doesn't see WRs. And when he does, he can't hit the broad side of a barn. Should we try Moseley? A lot of his issue last year was crumpling like a dollar bill when OL protection wasn't optimal. If the OL is slightly improved this year, maybe that's all he needs to be at least halfway serviceable. I'm really just asking for a way to tread water until we can find a Qb from either HS or JUCO. Not asking Moseley to even be avg or above avg. Just NOT KF.
Egg-Zack-Er-Ree
"KF doesn't see WRs. And when he does, he can't hit the broad side of a barn." This my friend, strikes at the heart of the matter. This offense appears to require far less of a QB than did Malzahn's, according to what I've seen so far. There are no throws that Frazier has made, or attempted to make, or should have seen and attempted to make...that Moseley could not have gotten done. Yes, I hate CM. No, it's not #2 is always the most popular guy. But Frasier is a basket case and regardless of our defensive woes, the lack of QB play is why we're where we're at. The defense played damn good in the first half Saturday. Other than McSidline taking it to the house, they had nothing to work with except Frasier turnovers in the 2nd half.
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Egg-Zack-Er-Ree
"KF doesn't see WRs. And when he does, he can't hit the broad side of a barn." This my friend, strikes at the heart of the matter. This offense appears to require far less of a QB than did Malzahn's, according to what I've seen so far. There are no throws that Frazier has made, or attempted to make, or should have seen and attempted to make...that Moseley could not have gotten done. Yes, I hate CM. No, it's not #2 is always the most popular guy. But Frasier is a basket case and regardless of our defensive woes, the lack of QB play is why we're where we're at. The defense played damn good in the first half Saturday. Other than McSidline taking it to the house, they had nothing to work with except Frasier turnovers in the 2nd half.
Somebody...anybody has to be better. I'm serious.
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Fuck...I just realized something.
Perhaps Kiehl is the bagman?!?
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I'm really just asking for a way to tread water until we can find a Qb from either HS or JUCO.
You better hope for JUCO cause very rarely can an Freshman step in to be savior, especially at the QB position, double especially for Auburn.
So then you might as well say look to 2014.
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You better hope for JUCO cause very rarely can an Freshman step in to be savior, especially at the QB position, double especially for Auburn.
So then you might as well say look to 2014.
Which is why although I don't think he'll lose his job any time soon, I don't think it's possible for him to save it for the future.
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Which is why although I don't think he'll lose his job any time soon, I don't think it's possible for him to save it for the future.
Agree...IMO his only savior would be JUCO route.
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What bothers me about Frazier, is that typically when you have a QB who is young and inexperienced (scared shitless), you install rollout plays to get him out of the pocket and looking down field. You put a crossing TE or WR as an easy dump pass if he sees nothing downfield. I seriously could complete this play and I have a bum shoulder.
They did this a couple of times and Frazier threw it behind or over the receivers head.
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Somebody...anybody has to be better. I'm serious.
Our depth chart goes
Frayzha: Head case who can't even hit the turf when trying to down the ball
Moseley: Fetal-fatale who has to still be hurt. If he's not hurt, then I reeeeeally question our staff for not at least trying him after the 17th Frayzha turnover Saturday.
Wallace: True Freshman who looked less accurate than Frayzha in practice...by a long shot.
Ryan Carter
Tate O'Connor
By midway through the 3rd quarter, I would have taken Tate O'Connor.
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Somebody...anybody has to be better. I'm serious.
Pretty much.
Can Moseley do worse than 1 completion for -2 yards and 3 INTS in a half? I mean, it would be hard for me or you to do worse. You almost have to try to on purpose. Clint had a few games last year where he was a decent game manager - Fla and Ole Piss. If he can just do that and not fuck it up that's all we need. Let the 5 headed RB do its thing and complete a pass or two every quarter to keep them from selling out to the run every damn play. All it takes is one good pass from play action to do this in most cases. I know this.....Kiehl is literally losing games out there. Not asking CM to win any, just not to fuck them up beyond comprehension. He can even be below avg and we would be ok.
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Fuck...I just realized something.
Perhaps Kiehl is the bagman?!?
when Sheridan predicted Auburn's demise at the hands of one man, I think he meant the sack man.
Must have gotten lost in translation from the scrolls.
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Pretty much.
Can Moseley do worse than 1 completion for -2 yards and 3 INTS in a half? I mean, it would be hard for me or you to do worse. You almost have to try to on purpose. Clint had a few games last year where he was a decent game manager - Fla and Ole Piss. If he can just do that and not fuck it up that's all we need. Let the 5 headed RB do its thing and complete a pass or two every quarter to keep them from selling out to the run every damn play. All it takes is one good pass from play action to do this in most cases. I know this.....Kiehl is literally losing games out there. Not asking CM to win any, just not to fuck them up beyond comprehension. He can even be below avg and we would be ok.
It's twue.....Oh it's twuuee
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Egg-Zack-Er-Ree
"KF doesn't see WRs. And when he does, he can't hit the broad side of a barn." This my friend, strikes at the heart of the matter. This offense appears to require far less of a QB than did Malzahn's, according to what I've seen so far. There are no throws that Frazier has made, or attempted to make, or should have seen and attempted to make...that Moseley could not have gotten done. Yes, I hate CM. No, it's not #2 is always the most popular guy. But Frasier is a basket case and regardless of our defensive woes, the lack of QB play is why we're where we're at. The defense played damn good in the first half Saturday. Other than McSidline taking it to the house, they had nothing to work with except Frasier turnovers in the 2nd half.
Frazier admitted he was too worried about the rush and blitz, and couldn't keep his eyes downfield. You can coach reads, and throws (and yes, you can even increase accuracy with work) but if the QB won't look downfield for his reads and receivers, it doesn't make a fuck how much he know about the reads. And I don't know how you coach "courage". To me, this issue is not fixable. Time to move on.
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Frazier admitted he was too worried about the rush and blitz, and couldn't keep his eyes downfield. You can coach reads, and throws (and yes, you can even increase accuracy with work) but if the QB won't look downfield for his reads and receivers, it doesn't make a fuck how much he know about the reads. And I don't know how you coach "courage". To me, this issue is not fixable. Time to move on.
Moseley?
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Frazier admitted he was too worried about the rush and blitz, and couldn't keep his eyes downfield. You can coach reads, and throws (and yes, you can even increase accuracy with work) but if the QB won't look downfield for his reads and receivers, it doesn't make a fuck how much he know about the reads. And I don't know how you coach "courage". To me, this issue is not fixable. Time to move on.
Moseley?
WOW moving on by moving backwards. :facepalm:
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Moseley?
As has been stated...Frazier is actually worse. The OL is giving enough time, so maybe Moseley doesn't go all fetaltard if he's getting protection.
Moseley 2011: 66/108 (61%) 7.4 YPA, 5TD/3Int
Frazier 2012: 24/49 (49%) 6.5 YPA 1TD/4Int :facepalm:
But then he may be the Moseley version of Todd08 with the injured arm, so who knows? If it were me, I'd give Wallace a series or 2 this Saturday, and just see what he looks like in live action.
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As has been stated...Frazier is actually worse. The OL is giving enough time, so maybe Moseley doesn't go all fetaltard if he's getting protection.
Moseley 2011: 66/108 (61%) 7.4 YPA, 5TD/3Int
Frazier 2012: 24/49 (49%) 6.5 YPA 1TD/4Int :facepalm:
But then he may be the Moseley version of Todd08 with the injured arm, so who knows? If it were me, I'd give Wallace a series or 2 this Saturday, and just see what he looks like in live action.
I see nothing we have to lose. KF is that bad.
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As has been stated...Frazier is actually worse. The OL is giving enough time, so maybe Moseley doesn't go all fetaltard if he's getting protection.
Moseley 2011: 66/108 (61%) 7.4 YPA, 5TD/3Int
Frazier 2012: 24/49 (49%) 6.5 YPA 1TD/4Int :facepalm:
But then he may be the Moseley version of Todd08 with the injured arm, so who knows? If it were me, I'd give Wallace a series or 2 this Saturday, and just see what he looks like in live action.
If Moseley is really that injured, and I have to believe he is, then agreed. Give the kid a shot. May spark em'.
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If you'd never seen Moseley play, and you looked at the numbers posted below, you'd think he was a serviceable QB, which only proves stats lie.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/480386/clint-moseley
But it's better than what we've gotten out of Frazier so far, and that's just vs Clemson and Old Piss.
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If things start going bad this weekend how long before the boo birds come out?
And then do they put the creed on the jumbotron?
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And then do they put the creed on the jumbotron?
It would at least make the AUFambliee members in JHS easy to identify with all the nut on their legs.
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If things start going bad this weekend how long before the boo birds come out?
And then do they put the creed on the jumbotron?
What's going to be worse is the derisive cheer when (if) Frazier completes his first pass. It will be mockery.
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If things start going bad this weekend how long before the boo birds come out?
And then do they put the creed on the jumbotron?
It'll also show which sections have had their warn meters spiked.
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Speaking of the creed, did Wiregrass Tiger go back to AUfamilyeagle?
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Speaking of the creed, did Wiregrass Tiger go back to AUfamilyeagle?
I think he got his feelings hurt...
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I thought Wiregrass Tigers liked it rough?
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I think he got his feelings hurt...
Nothing he didn't bring on himself.
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I thought Wiregrass Tigers liked it rough?
Only one that I can think of. Once you get out of Barbour County, its all down hill.
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If things start going bad this weekend how long before the boo birds come out?
And then do they put the creed on the jumbotron?
What's going to be worse is the derisive cheer when (if) Frazier completes his first pass. It will be mockery.
To us or them?
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Skreetz, I got them on this as far as whats going on with the program. Chiz needs to go. It's systemic, and it's bad. No cure.
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Skreetz, I got them on this as far as whats going on with the program. Chiz needs to go. It's systemic, and it's bad. No cure.
Spill the details, Shadow Prowler.
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Skreetz, I got them on this as far as whats going on with the program. Chiz needs to go. It's systemic, and it's bad. No cure.
You can't just say this without giving it up...
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Skreetz, I got them on this as far as whats going on with the program. Chiz needs to go. It's systemic, and it's bad. No cure.
Drill press.
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Drill press.
I actually could pull a "drill press" too, and I think I do know what JR's talking about. But since I'm not completely certain about it, I'll let him spill it.
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Well fuck me. Why don't somebody talk already.
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Former AU player. Straight from him.
First part you can take as subjective. Recruiting rankings be damned, no talent. Rivals and Scout will raise a players status based on who is recruiting him. Auburn goes after you hard, 4 star. Bammer 5 star. Our coaches don't seem to be able to accurately ID talent. It's simply not there. Jake Holland is the best we have if he's on the field.
The 2 most distressing things, and why it can't be fixed because this is the head man's way of doing things. He's been at practice, and claims he's never seen a softer, less intense practice regimen. Second, and he gets this straight from coaches he knows on staff. If AU is recruiting a kid and bammer goes after him hard, AU gives up on him.
Those are facts from a guy I trust, that's played the game at the highest level, and he's an Auburn guy through and through.
This is my opinion. It makes sense that players aren't "developing" if they're not being pushed hard at practice. It is just Chizik's make up. The team takes on the personality of the HC and staff. We're soft, and not progressing.
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If AU is recruiting a kid and bammer goes after him hard, AU gives up on him.
I find that hard to believe. We've won a few battles and were in it until the end with some of their biggest recruits (Cyrus K comes to mind)
Other than that, I've heard similar. That Chizik's in over his head and the way he runs things are very different from Tuberville. Because of his way of doing things, the players are not as disciplined about football and the program is struggling right now with apathy.
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I find that hard to believe. We've won a few battles and were in it until the end with some of their biggest recruits (Cyrus K comes to mind)
Other than that, I've heard similar. That Chizik's in over his head and the way he runs things are very different from Tuberville. Because of his way of doing things, the players are not as disciplined about football and the program is struggling right now with apathy.
I found it difficult to believe too, but it speaks as to why we are much more nation wide recruiting these days. This staff feels as if they are wasting time and effort to go after a kid that can really play and is being recruited by bammer. Loser, defeatist attitude. That's not my bud's opinion, that's straight from AU coaches mouth to him. Do we give up on every one? I don't know, but chances are the ones we win head to head with, it's like the bammers say, they didn't really want him anyway.
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I don't buy the recruiting thing either. Yes, things are different than under Tubs. I went to practices every year while CTT was there and I might have laid eyes on the man once. He didn't coach. Chizik is on the field, in your face and firey. Better style? Worse? I have no clue. I just find it funny that so many of these things are never an issue until we lose some games.
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Skreetz, I got them on this as far as whats going on with the program. Chiz needs to go. It's systemic, and it's bad. No cure.
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Dude the Chizik direct line is ringing.
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I don't buy the recruiting thing either. Yes, things are different than under Tubs. I went to practices every year while CTT was there and I might have laid eyes on the man once. He didn't coach. Chizik is on the field, in your face and firey. Better style? Worse? I have no clue. I just find it funny that so many of these things are never an issue until we lose some games.
So, you're basically saying my bud told me a pack of lies? It's all ok?
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Dude the Chizik direct line is ringing.
Good! :haha:
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So, you're basically saying my bud told me a pack of lies? It's all ok?
Thats exactly what he is saying damn it.
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You guys are bashing JR, but regardless of Skreetz, the only explanation for the shittiness of this team is coaching.... So he can't be that far off in his skreetz.
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Thats exactly what he is saying damn it.
Wow, I was worried for a bit.
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You guys are bashing JR, but regardless of Skreetz, the only explanation for the shittiness of this team is coaching.... So he can't be that far off in his skreetz.
Don't normally have skreetz, but I do know several former players, one of which has the information I relayed first hand. I didn't go looking for this, he simply offered it up. He as personally at the Clemson game, and been allowed at practices. It absolutely explains everything we're seeing on the field as far as I'm concerned.
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Not sure if I believe the recruiting thing since it seems that these coaches excel there.
The practice thing, I would believe is probably right on. I just don't think the team is mentally or physically strong enough to compete right now. I just hope it changes...
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Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.
When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.
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Not sure if I believe the recruiting thing since it seems that these coaches excel there.
The practice thing, I would believe is probably right on. I just don't think the team is mentally or physically strong enough to compete right now. I just hope it changes...
Only relaying the information I got.
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Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.
When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.
It is the only thing that makes sense really...
It will be interesting to try and get a feel of what Vangorder is thinking throughout the year...
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Ok, let's set aside the recruiting issues for a minute. Let's say we don't give up on kids, and the recruiting rankings are as accurate as some think.
When a former Auburn and NFL player tells me he's never seen less intense and soft practices, it explains why any talent we have is not developing. They're not pushed. When they get in games, the speed of the game is too much for them.
I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?
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I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?
Uh, no. Fairley disrupted shit like a mother fucker...but that is about it...
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I don't know, but we were pretty physical in 2010?
Those guys had played and been developed as younger players by a staff that I know for a fact held highly intense practices.
Discount whatever you want.
I'm not:
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Uh, no. Fairley disrupted shit like a mother fucker...but that is about it...
I meant as a team overall. Yes we were (or so it seemed) soft on defense.
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I meant as a team overall.
We were not an overly physical team, but weren't soft either. This team is soft. They get pushed around. Frazier can't adjust to the speed of the game.
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It is the only thing that makes sense really...
It will be interesting to try and get a feel of what Vangorder is thinking throughout the year...
You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.
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I didn't need skreetz to figure this shit out, it's obvious by watching this team degress from year to year. It's very obvious to see that Chizik can't teach players to get better. He has a new staff this year and nothing has improved he is getting in the way of improving players development, he is the only constant.
Yes he was a great D coordinator while at Auburn but was also under TT rule, his defense while at Texas not so much. He happen to have a great QB and offense to play by his current bend but don't break philosophy.
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You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.
I don't doubt what you are saying at all. It pretty much just confirms what many on here have thought about player development. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone who has watched 5 mins of Auburn football the last 2 years.
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I didn't need skreetz to figure this shit out, it's obvious by watching this team degress from year to year. It's very obvious to see that Chizik can't teach players to get better. He has a new staff this year and nothing has improved he is getting in the way of improving players development, he is the only constant.
Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.
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To exactly what?
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Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.
Position coaches coach under the direction of the coordinators, and the HC. The problem I mentioned about practices being soft, and with no intensity, are a direct reflection of only one man. Chiz. I was in the "not time to pull the plug yet" crowd until I heard that, and that's all I need to know.
How far down the slope do we have to decline before Jacobs admits the mistake? When will this recruiting class we currently have commits from start jumping ship? With a loss to ULM? 6, 7, 8 losses? I ask because if we lose Sat. that's going to be the mantra being pumped on the airwaves, and message boards...that these recruits have signed on to a sinking ship, and the staff at Auburn won't be there past 2013, if that long.
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You would think BVG would approach Chiz and tell him he can't develop a nasty defense in a soft, easy going practice atmosphere.
See, this is my problem with the theory.
Not saying it's far off, but I would think the pace, tempo, and aggressiveness of practices would or should be set more by the coordinators and the position coaches, no?
They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?
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See, this is my problem with the theory.
Not saying it's far off, but I would think the pace, tempo, and aggressiveness of practices would or should be set more by the coordinators and the position coaches, no?
They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?
Teams, and Staffs take on the personality of the HC. That's the way I see it. An old school, hard ass coach might come in at first and be aggressive, but if the atmosphere of the whole program is soft, then he'll eventually ratchet it down too.
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Buck stops with him no doubt, but he isn't the ONLY constant, could be the position coaches.
I don't think so Tim.
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The Bates thing on the sideline Saturday made me like Taylor a lot more and Chiz a lot less. His way or the highway. Funny thing is, that mentality got his predecessor fired. It all comes from the top down. PERIOD. I'm sick of excuses. Literally sick of them. It's him. I'm with JR on this one.
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Position coaches coach under the direction of the coordinators, and the HC. The problem I mentioned about practices being soft, and with no intensity, are a direct reflection of only one man. Chiz. I was in the "not time to pull the plug yet" crowd until I heard that, and that's all I need to know.
How far down the slope do we have to decline before Jacobs admits the mistake? When will this recruiting class we currently have commits from start jumping ship? With a loss to ULM? 6, 7, 8 losses? I ask because if we lose Sat. that's going to be the mantra being pumped on the airwaves, and message boards...that these recruits have signed on to a sinking ship, and the staff at Auburn won't be there past 2013, if that long.
Thats what worries me. How far into the coming years will this affect us? If we see the writing on the wall now, do we limit our losses and cut now? Who would we get? I hate to say it, but a jet getting cranked up would not bother me in the least. Unless there is a 180 done and Chiz all of a sudden has a come to jesus meeting with himself and gets fired up, I can't see this ending well. Just trying to be realistic. It is what it is. Weve been making excuses the last 12 months - it's time to accept some hard fucking facts. And one of those is that some people were right about Chiz from the start.
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Teams, and Staffs take on the personality of the HC. That's the way I see it. An old school, hard ass coach might come in at first and be aggressive, but if the atmosphere of the whole program is soft, then he'll eventually ratchet it down too.
Not only that, but the head coach also sets up the schedule and tempo of the practice.
I hate to reference those shitheads in Tuscaloser, but I remember reading about how Saban changed the practice schedule when he was first hired. They said his practice schedule was set up to have less time between drills and very little wait time between turns. So for the player's workout during practice, it had nothing to do with how intense Saban was vocally, it was everything to do with how hard he was having to work just to get through it.
I don't know how Chizik has it set up. I don't know if any of this is factual, but it would explain a lot about the softness of our defense.
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Thats what worries me. How far into the coming years will this affect us? If we see the writing on the wall now, do we limit our losses and cut now? Who would we get? I hate to say it, but a jet getting cranked up would not bother me in the least. Unless there is a 180 done and Chiz all of a sudden has a come to jesus meeting with himself and gets fired up, I can't see this ending well. Just trying to be realistic. It is what it is. Weve been making excuses the last 12 months - it's time to accept some hard fucking facts. And one of those is that some people were right about Chiz from the start.
Assuming my bud means "raw undeveloped young players" when he says "no talent" or that it just appears we have no talent because it's not been developed, it doesn't have to take long to turn it around, it only takes someone making a hard decision, and following through, and not rationalizing "but he won an NC, and it's only a couple of losses".
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Not only that, but the head coach also sets up the schedule and tempo of the practice.
I hate to reference those shitheads in Tuscaloser, but I remember reading about how Saban changed the practice schedule when he was first hired. They said his practice schedule was set up to have less time between drills and very little wait time between turns. So for the player's workout during practice, it had nothing to do with how intense Saban was vocally, it was everything to do with how hard he was having to work just to get through it.
I don't know how Chizik has it set up. I don't know if any of this is factual, but it would explain a lot about the softness of our defense.
100% guarantee it's factual.
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They're the micro-managers. Chizik is the CEO. I totally get that the buck stops with him, but shouldn't it be handled at a lower level first?
CEO or fired up in your face practice coach?
I've owned my own business for a long time. It's grown slowly enough that I could manage things but I'm at a crossroads now.
I had a good friend of mine who owned a much larger company come in and help me look at people, processes, the whole nine yards.
We'd barely begun the process when he told me I had to make a decision and everything else would stem from that.
"You can either work or you can run the business. If you run the business you cannot lose direction by diving into the minute details, handling the programming or customer support yourself. You hire people to do that. If you want to work, if you want to be a hands on, doing things person you are going to have to hire someone to run the business. They can report to you and you can help guide the decisions but you have to let them manage everything else. So which is it? Work or run the business?"
Chizik can't be CEO and do the rest.
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CEO or fired up in your face practice coach?
I've owned my own business for a long time. It's grown slowly enough that I could manage things but I'm at a crossroads now.
I had a good friend of mine who owned a much larger company come in and help me look at people, processes, the whole nine yards.
We'd barely begun the process when he told me I had to make a decision and everything else would stem from that.
"You can either work or you can run the business. If you run the business you cannot lose direction by diving into the minute details, handling the programming or customer support yourself. You hire people to do that. If you want to work, if you want to be a hands on, doing things person you are going to have to hire someone to run the business. They can report to you and you can help guide the decisions but you have to let them manage everything else. So which is it? Work or run the business?"
Chizik can't be CEO and do the rest.
I get the point, and agree, but what does it mean here. He, as CEO sets the tone. He determines the pace, and intensity of practice, then leaves to the ACs to get it done. Are you saying BVG and Martinez can't get an intense Def. practice going if they want? Loeffler, I don't know about.
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I get the point, and agree, but what does it mean here. He, as CEO sets the tone. He determines the pace, and intensity of practice, then leaves to the ACs to get it done. Are you saying BVG and Martinez can't get an intense Def. practice going if they want? Loeffler, I don't know about.
Maybe K is saying Chiz is trying to do both?? Or doesn't have the ability to do both. But even as CEO, he hires the management under him who do the day to day tasks. All still falls on him. Weve had 4 coordinators now and still the same steaming pile of shit product and issues on the field. Tells me what I need to know.
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Maybe K is saying Chiz is trying to do both?? Or doesn't have the ability to do both. But even as CEO, he hires the management under him who do the day to day tasks. All still falls on him. Weve had 4 coordinators now and still the same steaming pile of shit product and issues on the field. Tells me what I need to know.
3 years of top 10 classes, that's our Fr., Soph., and Jr.s. Sr and Red Shirt Sr. (going back to 2008) both top 20 classes. The product on the field does not reflect what recruiting says it should. I have a bammer that tells me we've had lots of attrition from those classes, and that's the problem. Well, if so, why is it we're almost up to capacity with @80 players, and can't even sign a full 25 this year? I know some have left for various reasons, but has it been that many? How did we get up to capacity?
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3 years of top 10 classes, that's our Fr., Soph., and Jr.s. Sr and Red Shirt Sr. (going back to 2008) both top 20 classes. The product on the field does not reflect what recruiting says it should. I have a bammer that tells me we've had lots of attrition from those classes, and that's the problem. Well, if so, why is it we're almost up to capacity with @80 players, and can't even sign a full 25 this year? I know some have left for various reasons, but has it been that many? How did we get up to capacity?
How many of those guys are still around? I hear the same bammer bullshit too but I'm too lazy to do the research.
"If ya'll take away all them kids what left the program ya'll ain't got no top nothin' class. Ya'll about 50th. And how come if ya'll such good damn recrooters how come ya'll can't get no players to come there? Huh? What did ya'll sign, 15 last year?"
I counted like eight or nine that were gone from the 2010 class and about that many gone from 2009. Never heard of a lot of the names.
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As has been stated...Frazier is actually worse. The OL is giving enough time, so maybe Moseley doesn't go all fetaltard if he's getting protection.
Moseley 2011: 66/108 (61%) 7.4 YPA, 5TD/3Int
Frazier 2012: 24/49 (49%) 6.5 YPA 1TD/4Int :facepalm:
But then he may be the Moseley version of Todd08 with the injured arm, so who knows? If it were me, I'd give Wallace a series or 2 this Saturday, and just see what he looks like in live action.
Not exactly sure who brought this up and I don't know what offense Wallace ran in high school but it would seem that Frazier ran enough last season when opposing defenses knew what was coming to at least show he can take contact. It would also seem that we have sufficient depth in the offensive line and the right combination of backs to truly be multiple. Why can we not install series featuring elements of the veer, I-veer and combine it with some misdirection and some reads from the shotgun ? (to which Frazier is accustomed) I'm not talking about a total sell-out just something to try and breathe some life into this offense. I hated the offense in hs and it's like watching Lou Holtz pace the sideline (or paint dry) to me but it is effective if ran properly. We can't complete even the simple passes anyway so what's the harm? Loeffler IS supposed to be multiple. Maybe we can grind out some long clock eating drives and occaisionally burn 'em with some quick slants, swing passes and screens in mismatches when they start cheating up. Not saying it would go smoothly at first but what we are seeing now is going nowhere.
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Not exactly sure who brought this up and I don't know what offense Wallace ran in high school but it would seem that Frazier ran enough last season when opposing defenses knew what was coming to at least show he can take contact. It would also seem that we have sufficient depth in the offensive line and the right combination of backs to truly be multiple. Why can we not install series featuring elements of the veer, I-veer and combine it with some misdirection and some reads from the shotgun ? (to which Frazier is accustomed) I'm not talking about a total sell-out just something to try and breathe some life into this offense. I hated the offense in hs and it's like watching Lou Holtz pace the sideline (or paint dry) to me but it is effective if ran properly. We can't complete even the simple passes anyway so what's the harm? Loeffler IS supposed to be multiple. Maybe we can grind out some long clock eating drives and occaisionally burn 'em with some quick slants, swing passes and screens in mismatches when they start cheating up. Not saying it would go smoothly at first but what we are seeing now is going nowhere.
Go ahead, keep thinking it's about scheme and play calling.
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How many of those guys are still around? I hear the same bammer bullshit too but I'm too lazy to do the research.
"If ya'll take away all them kids what left the program ya'll ain't got no top nothin' class. Ya'll about 50th. And how come if ya'll such good damn recrooters how come ya'll can't get no players to come there? Huh? What did ya'll sign, 15 last year?"
I counted like eight or nine that were gone from the 2010 class and about that many gone from 2009. Never heard of a lot of the names.
I have not done the research either to find out if true. Bottom line, whether inability to get them in school, or retain most of them, or get them coached up if you retain them, it's all the same.
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Go ahead, keep thinking it's about scheme and play calling.
To an extent it is. Frazier can not handle what Loeffler wants to do with the offense. I will be very surprised if he does not alter his pro attack on saturday. If he does not then he is not doing his job. As an offensive coordinator he has to adjust his offense to the talent he has and find something that will work to a degree.
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To an extent it is. Frazier can not handle what Loeffler wants to do with the offense. I will be very surprised if he does not alter his pro attack on saturday. If he does not then he is not doing his job. As an offensive coordinator he has to adjust his offense to the talent he has and find something that will work to a degree.
May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group." Not and be good at any of it anyway.
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May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group." Not and be good at any of it anyway.
Especially for a first time coordinator, but he should be able to make some adjustments to fit our strengths. It did come out of his mouth that he could run multiple types of offenses.
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Especially for a first time coordinator, but he should be able to make some adjustments to fit our strengths. It did come out of his mouth that he could run multiple types of offenses.
When your QB can only execute a handoff, you're pretty fucking limited. Blame him for not coaching him up to be better, but please don't talk about calling different plays for a guy that's proved he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yards.
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When your QB can only execute a handoff, you're pretty fucking limited. Blame him for not coaching him up to be better, but please don't talk about calling different plays for a guy that's proved he can't hit the broad side of a barn at 5 yards.
Is it not his job to prepare him to make these throws? And no he can't hit the broad side of a barn when throwing from under center but I have seen him make completions from the gun with no pressure. I don't disagree with the fact that Frazier sucks, I also agree that it is difficult for Loeffler to call plays due to his limitations but it is also his job to figure something out. And his play calling in the red zone has been shit, as you pointed out Frazier can hand the ball off.
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Frazier is on his way to being the next Kody Burns.
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May come as as a fucking surprise to some, but not every OC can just decide "I'm gonna run flexbone with this group, and pro I with this group." Not and be good at any of it anyway.
I haven't seen one post here advocating a complete change of scheme. Incorporating elements of a read option might jump start our offense so others can get more involved.
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Frazier is on his way to being the next Kody Burns.
Kodi wound up being a team player and a valuable leader. One could only hope that Frazier winds up like Kodi. Right now, jury is out.
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Kodi wound up being a team player and a valuable leader. One could only hope that Frazier winds up like Kodi. Right now, jury is out.
I think the jury already went home.
Watch the game replay. What's Fraz doing when he's on the sidelines? Think back to what Cam did, what Brandon did, what Jason did.
They were talking to teammates, huddling with coordinators (and the team), messing with the offensive linemen.
Fraz? Every time I saw he was standing by himself doing absolutely nothing but looking petulant.
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Phil Marshall says it's all about scheme:
You guys can ignore it if you want, but offensive coaches say the most difficult transition out there right now is going from a spread offense to a pro style offense. Texas did it and has gone 5-7 and 8-5. San Diego State did it when Hoke and Borges were there and went 4-9 the first year before going 9-4 the second year. Auburn is doing it with a QB who played the Malzahn offense since the ninth grade and two freshman offensive tackles.
As for Kiffin, isn't he in his second season at USC with the best QB in the country? Didn't Chizik win the national championship in his second year at Auburn with the best QB in the country
:facepalm:
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Phil Marshall says it's all about scheme:
:facepalm:
I'm not enough of an X's and O's guy to be able to say but I know that shit doesn't explain defense or lack there of.
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By the way the whole premise of this thread is flawed.
Two worst years over 10 is not equal to two worst years over 4.
Three worst defenses in Auburn history is not equal to good defense even in the worst year imaginable.
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(http://www.tigersx.com/images/frazier_cat.jpg)
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I'm not enough of an X's and O's guy to be able to say but I know that shit doesn't explain defense or lack there of.
Simple, bad defensive play calling. Everybody knows that, well, except the coaches.
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Kodi wound up being a team player and a valuable leader. One could only hope that Frazier winds up like Kodi. Right now, jury is out.
True that. I was talking more along the lines of the hype coming in then the crash and burn. Kodi was talked up a lot for a while until he couldn't complete a pass to safe his life. Then the next couple of years we had the JUCO QB's and Kodi went to WR. Both Frazier and Burns are good athletes but their HS QB skills didn't translate very well at the college level.
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By the way the whole premise of this thread is flawed.
Two worst years over 10 is not equal to two worst years over 4.
I never made that claim.
Three worst defenses in Auburn history is not equal to good defense even in the worst year imaginable.
Touche.
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I haven't seen one post here advocating a complete change of scheme. Incorporating elements of a read option might jump start our offense so others can get more involved.
We already run inverted veer. I don't recall yet having a successful play when running it. The idea of adding to the playbook, the playbook that Frazier can execute only 10% of as it stands, is a bit ludicrous. Blaming bad play calling for bad plays where the play worked to get people open, Frazier had time to make his reads, but Frazier failed to release the ball is stupid too. But keep on wishing it's about bad Xs and Os. If only it were that simple.
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We already run inverted veer. I don't recall yet having a successful play when running it. The idea of adding to the playbook, the playbook that Frazier can execute only 10% of as it stands, is a bit ludicrous. Blaming bad play calling for bad plays where the play worked to get people open, Frazier had time to make his reads, but Frazier failed to release the ball is stupid too. But keep on wishing it's about bad Xs and Os. If only it were that simple.
Phillip Marshall is off base in that last writeup. Ive seen too many plays from the last two games where Loeffler gave him plenty of good chances to make a play and he just nutted up. Some people probably think Loeffler should hold his dick to pee too.
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I actually like the look of this offense so far and think that it would be working great if we had a qb that was serviceable.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the stache leave after this season if he is not getting to run his defense. Why the hell would he want to tarnish his rep for being a top notch defensive guy?
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I actually like the look of this offense so far and think that it would be working great if we had a qb that was serviceable.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the stache leave after this season if he is not getting to run his defense. Why the hell would he want to tarnish his rep for being a top notch defensive guy?
And I don't give a shit what anyone is saying to the contrary, the OL and RBs ARE our bright spot. They havent looked bad at all to me. In fact, against Clemson, we may win that game if we keep mixing it up with pounding Mason inside and running outside with OMac. Look at their numbers from that game. And Blakely didn't look half bad against MSU. The OL isn't great, but it is opening holes and giving KF ENOUGH time.
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Last two posts say it all. Get a serviceable QB and we're probably 1-1 at worst and all of a sudden, the perception of the entire program going to hell in a hand basket is no more.
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And I don't give a shit what anyone is saying to the contrary, the OL and RBs ARE our bright spot. They havent looked bad at all to me. In fact, against Clemson, we may win that game if we keep mixing it up with pounding Mason inside and running outside with OMac. Look at their numbers from that game. And Blakely didn't look half bad against MSU. The OL isn't great, but it is opening holes and giving KF ENOUGH time.
^^^This. Still, the underlying problems....
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Last two posts say it all. Get a serviceable QB and we're probably 1-1 at worst and all of a sudden, the perception of the entire program going to hell in a hand basket is no more.
Agree on QB, but not on overall perception. Those that are looking hard see far more than one or 2 players not holding up their end.
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Agree on QB, but not on overall perception. Those that are looking hard see far more than one or 2 players not holding up their end.
My thought is that we would be 1-1 with a half ass serviceable QB and/or if we kept pounding the ball against CU , in spite of all the other issues. Yes, still some much bigger issues.
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I would also like to get a word out to Mr. McCalebb.
Dear Sir,
As fast as you are, when you hit the corner and there are 4 players waiting to tackle you. Just get tackled. Please do not try and reverse field and run backwards, because it doesn't work. Case in point the 3 or 4 times you tried it and lost additional yards.
Thank you!
Signed,
Concerned in Florida
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Dear Jake:
Cut that fucking mop and quit trying to look bad ass in your photos. Also, if you could occasionally run towards a play every once in a while, it might help us out a little. Just try to get in the way or something. You don't actually have to tackle anyone...not that you could. Mmmk? thx
Signed,
Worried in the Wiregrass.
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Dear Coach,
Please place Craig Sanders on the 1st team LB corp. I want to see blood.
Signed,
Cold blooded killer.
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We already run inverted veer. I don't recall yet having a successful play when running it. The idea of adding to the playbook, the playbook that Frazier can execute only 10% of as it stands, is a bit ludicrous. Blaming bad play calling for bad plays where the play worked to get people open, Frazier had time to make his reads, but Frazier failed to release the ball is stupid too. But keep on wishing it's about bad Xs and Os. If only it were that simple.
Quick story: Back in the *stoned age I constantly changed plays from the sideline and the clipboard carrying sonuvabitch never took issue with me when I ventured outside of the framework of the offense because we severely lacked in talent and were consistently overmatched.
That said, I don't think it ludicrous nor does it put me in a tizzy to envision Prosch catching a screen pass and rumbling for ten or fifteen yards. But then I only played high school ball and two uneventful seasons of what was then called NAIA basketball. Soon it became apparent that I could not further my career in athletics due to lack of talent. Someone said "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit." But I had to pick myself up and move on with life. Eventually I landed a job, got married and started raising a family. Yet sadly I never had any ambition to coach my children in sports nor to read up on the cutting edge offenses of the new millenium, baseball books are better anyway.
I must inform you though that I am currently working with my three year old grandson and he is progressing nicely. You should see his footwork as he drops back efficiently, ball held high as he scans downfield for would-be receivers. I know, I know it's too early to tell at this stage although in due time I even foresee the need for a tutor and film study to help him read defenses (every fledgling QB's dilemma) but the kid has the makings of a Manning. Only thing is, he gets an occaisional boo-boo from an ant bite or makes lame excuses so he can go inside and play video games instead of focusing on the task at hand. Kids these days! Next thing you know he'll be wanting a dollar to mow the lawn... I had to do that AND wash two cars before I was allowed to play ball. Xs and Os indeed!
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Quick story: Back in the *stoned age I constantly changed plays from the sideline and the clipboard carrying sonuvabitch never took issue with me when I ventured outside of the framework of the offense because we severely lacked in talent and were consistently overmatched.
That said, I don't think it ludicrous nor does it put me in a tizzy to envision Prosch catching a screen pass and rumbling for ten or fifteen yards. But then I only played high school ball and two uneventful seasons of what was then called NAIA basketball. Soon it became apparent that I could not further my career in athletics due to lack of talent. Someone said "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit." But I had to pick myself up and move on with life. Eventually I landed a job, got married and started raising a family. Yet sadly I never had any ambition to coach my children in sports nor to read up on the cutting edge offenses of the new millenium, baseball books are better anyway.
I must inform you though that I am currently working with my three year old grandson and he is progressing nicely. You should see his footwork as he drops back efficiently, ball held high as he scans downfield for would-be receivers. I know, I know it's too early to tell at this stage although in due time I even foresee the need for a tutor and film study to help him read defenses (every fledgling QB's dilemma) but the kid has the makings of a Manning. Only thing is, he gets an occaisional boo-boo from an ant bite or makes lame excuses so he can go inside and play video games instead of focusing on the task at hand. Kids these days! Next thing you know he'll be wanting a dollar to mow the lawn... I had to do that AND wash two cars before I was allowed to play ball. Xs and Os indeed!
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jmar is very old and played on a terrible football team.
If you eat chicken salad, Prosch can catch a screen pass.
His grandson is similar to Honey Boo Boo, but he'll probably fail to live up to her success and settle for being the next Manning in the NFL.
I bet hanging out with jmar is like hanging out with a coked up Robin Williams.
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jmar is very old and played on a terrible football team.
If you eat chicken salad, Prosch can catch a screen pass.
His grandson is similar to Honey Boo Boo, but he'll probably fail to live up to her success and settle for being the next Manning in the NFL.
I bet hanging out with jmar is like hanging out with a coked up Robin Williams.
No actually I'm nearly 54, a reserved sort and don't take myself near as seriously as some of my fellow xers. But I do like my team to play up to acceptable standards and obviously we are failing to get where we need to be competitively. Still, I don't much care to lay the blame on an individual like Frazier on offense or Holland on defense because it would seem that the staff would find a way to get our best on the field. I tend to think we have been beaten miserably by our rivals at certain positions with regard to recruiting or in evaluating high school talent; that or perhaps we have the staff that just can't develop a product. IMHO QB is a little different and sort of a crapshoot in that I don't think there are but a couple dozen signal callers with D1 stuff each season and very few qb coaches that can bring them along unlike a defensive position ie. linebacker which would be more instinctual given the kid has a penchant for delivering pain such as the gentleman in my avatar.
Hey I'm just a fan with an opinion same as anybody else. And my team is supposed to be using the Warhawks as a warm-up for LSU and it's anyone's guess what might take place at JHS today.