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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: GH2001 on September 05, 2012, 02:29:19 PM
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So says Clay Travis:
Gene Chizik would already be fired if Auburn hadn't bought Cam Newton
Here is Chizik's career coaching record in games when Cam Newton wasn't his quarterback: 21-30, 7-9 in the SEC.
Here is Chizik's record when Cam Newton was his quarterback 14-0.
Without Cam in 2009, Auburn is probably a 7-6 or 8-5 team. (Hell, even with Cam they almost lost three or four games).
There's a very good chance that Chizik's Tigers arrive at Vandy sitting at 2-4 on the season. Go ahead and circle this game now because that's the game that will determine whether or not Auburn can get to a bowl. Lose that game -- and I think there's a very good chance Auburn will lose to Vandy -- and Chizik's on the hot seat just two years after a national title.
I know Chizik has a national tittle, but even Auburn fans have to realize how much of an aberration that season was. You bought the best player for the best single season in the history of the SEC. Well done. But the foundation on the Plains is really, really weak.
I'll admit, when you take away the Cam year, his numbers look like utter shit.
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Ok, let’s say this year we are full of fail (again) where do we go?
Some say this is chicken little syndrome, those numbers up above don’t lie.
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Ok, let’s say this year we are full of fail (again) where do we go?
Some say this is chicken little syndrome, those numbers up above don’t lie.
The next 2, maybe 3 games will tell you exactly what this team is made of. We have a SEC team we should beat, a patsy we should pound and an SEC team that is better than us. Will we look like shit against LSU? I don't mind a loss to LSU but I can't take another blowout. Miss State? Sorry, but if we lose this game that's underachieving. We have loads more talent than MSU. Anything other than a 3+TD win against La-Monroe is full of fail too (see Utah State 2011). I hope (and think) this team will get better but the next 3 games will be a teetering point of whether we get better and make solid strides or whether we become unraveled. That's just the honest truth.
I'm not chicken little like a lot of fuckers are on here but I'm also not going to be naive to the fact that we have some glaring issues that do NOT seem to have gotten any better the last 2 years. New DC, a year's more experience with a great pass rush and still almost 600 yards of offense given up? Sorry, but that's a little excessive. I didn't expect to give up 300 yards or less every game and right off the bat - but shit, 600 yards?? And would have been closer to 700 if Clemson's WRs knew how to catch.
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Alabama fired Shula for losing 22 games over 4 years. Just food for thought.
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That's lazy and incomplete analysis.
You have to take into account the roster Chizik inherited, the strength of the division and the progress (especially in recruiting) that is being shown.
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I've always maintained that if 8 wins is the low water mark for a coach, and he can produce teams to compete for championships, or win them with some regularity, then I'm ok with that. Sorry, I give Chiz credit for 2010. You can lose with talent, but you can't win without it. Under this way of thinking Dye should have been run off after '85, while having one of the greatest players in CFB history for 4 years, with no NC to show for it, and pretty mediocre teams in 84 and 85.
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That's lazy and incomplete analysis.
You have to take into account the roster Chizik inherited, the strength of the division and the progress (especially in recruiting) that is being shown.
Wizzerd. Do the digging and report the real story. Not a quick hit piece.
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That's lazy and incomplete analysis.
You have to take into account the roster Chizik inherited, the strength of the division and the progress (especially in recruiting) that is being shown.
Werd.
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So says Clay Travis:
I'll admit, when you take away the Cam year, his numbers look like utter shit.
I read this:
Without Cam in2009, Auburn is probably a 7-6 or 8-5 team.
and tied that in with the fact that Clay Travis is only few marks above Danny Sheridan, and realized I don't give a shit. If Chizik goes 4 - 8, 5 - 7, or 6 - 6 he should be on the hot seat.
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That's lazy and incomplete analysis.
You have to take into account the roster Chizik inherited, the strength of the division and the progress (especially in recruiting) that is being shown.
Damn you and your facts. Chizik sucks, I say we fire him now.
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Look at last year.. We lost to the 2 teams playing for the MNC. (who only lost to each other)
The ACC Champion
The SEC East Champion
and a team that was ranked #3 in the nation.
4 out of 5 on the road.
That is bullshit, I blame Chizik for the schedule making!!!
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That's lazy and incomplete analysis.
You have to take into account the roster Chizik inheritedHe took most of that roster and won the mnc 2010, the strength of the division and the progress The upper tier teams have gotten better (especially in recruiting) that is being shownWe are three years into his recruiting 1st year I understand a lot of last minute fill in players but all I hear is wait till next year..
3 years of his defensive scheme should not yield almost 600 yards to a freaking ACC team.
Here we are barley into the second game of the season (Kind of like last year) and it already feels like a must win.
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If he goes 6-6 or worse this season and follows it up with another 8-4 or 7-5 season next year, I will drive the bus for the lynch mob to get him. I don't see either of those happening though.
Plus, I don't have a CDL.
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It's also worth noting that Clay's shitty hit-piece starts from the supposition that AU "bought" Cam's services.
Give this bullshit as much consideration as is warranted: Fucking none.
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Look at last year.. We lost to the 2 teams playing for the MNC. (who only lost to each other)
The ACC Champion
The SEC East Champion
and a team that was ranked #3 in the nation.
4 out of 5 on the road.
That is bullshit, I blame Chizik for the schedule making!!!
I don't think it is just because we lost, I think it is because we got our shit pushed in against our main competition and we pretty much start the year off no better (on defense)
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I've always maintained that if 8 wins is the low water mark for a coach, and he can produce teams to compete for championships, or win them with some regularity, then I'm ok with that. Sorry, I give Chiz credit for 2010. You can lose with talent, but you can't win without it. Under this way of thinking Dye should have been run off after '85, while having one of the greatest players in CFB history for 4 years, with no NC to show for it, and pretty mediocre teams in 84 and 85.
If anything I think Chiz deserves credit for winning the NC with all of the bullshit going on in the background during the run/keeping the team focused. I also give Gus credit.. he had all of the cogs and wheels needed for his offense to work. Plus, as much of an athlete that Cam was.. he had a beast of an O-line in front of him. Plus no way we win some of those games without the D-line that was in place at the time. I think Josh Bynes was underrated in his contributions from a leadership perspective as well.
I hear/see all of the Bammers say "no Cam=9 wins," and it reminds me of how little many of them know about football in respect to their ability to run their mouths. Cam was/is a freak, but not the only reason that 2010 happened.
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If he goes 6-6 or worse this season and follows it up with another 8-4 or 7-5 season next year, I will drive the bus for the lynch mob to get him. I don't see either of those happening though.
Plus, I don't have a CDL.
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To me the biggest reason to throw this out the window is that dumbass Travis is including Chizik's time at Iowa St in his "statistics". Now some might say I am a chicken little but to do the above and take out Newtons season is fucking stupid. The facts are that he did have 2 8-5 seasons and a 14-0 season while coaching at Auburn.
Again this is a stupid fucking argument.
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If he goes 6-6 or worse this season and follows it up with another 8-4 or 7-5 season next year, I will drive the bus for the lynch mob to get him. I don't see either of those happening though.
Plus, I don't have a CDL.
Well Hells bells-that gives you 2 years to get one.
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Myself and my 5 best friends will be all over this!
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I don't agree with Travis, just posted what he said. I am a bit more nervous that I think I should be at this point though. I think we were lucky to walk away from the Dome losing by single digits. We will face a couple of backs this year similar to Ellington and that scares me a bit, especially with Jake Holland at MLB. Although Wes and Prowler made good points about the nickel.
The "Auburn bought Cam" line he leads in with on all articles Auburn are merely his feeble attempt to fan the flames and turn heads for a lot of his SEC readers who still want to hear it. You have to take the good and bad with Travis. He writes some pretty good articles on the Bammer fanbase but he also wrote a hit piece (along with Brooks) on our hostesses.
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Myself and my 5 best friends will be all over this!
Go ahead and crunch some special cars too.
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So by my logic..
Gene Chizik would already be fired if Auburn hadn't bought Cam Newton
If NOT(Auburn bought Cam Newton ) Then Chizik = Fired
So, did the hammer finally come down, or did I miss the presser about an interim coach?
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So by my logic..
If NOT(Auburn bought Cam Newton ) Then Chizik = Fired
So, did the hammer finally come down, or did I miss the presser about an interim coach?
No, everybody agrees we got our money’s worth.
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So by my logic..
If NOT(Auburn bought Cam Newton ) Then Chizik = Fired
So, did the hammer finally come down, or did I miss the presser about an interim coach?
Seriously - it's an attention getter. You have to remember that the Bams hate him but are probably his biggest audience. Call it a carrot on a string. But he's still a douche for getting that "bought Cam" quip in. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I think it does get one thinking as dallas said in his first post in the thread: what if we do go full tard the rest of the year? then what? These next couple of games will set that tone. And for Auburn's sake I hope we turn it around because I do NOT want 2008 all over again.
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Let's say Cam stays for his senior season. Okay, everybody in unison..
CAM STAYS FOR HIS SENIOR SEASON
Very good.
Now, how many games difference does that make in wins in 2011? I say 1 at most and I think that game would have been Clemson. Could have made Arky a good bit closer because we had a couple of glimmers of hope in that game. Otherwise, our collective shit was pushed in hard by Arky, LSU, Georgia and Alabama. Closer games? Proabably not much closer because AU was outmanned on both sides of the ball in all those losses and Cam would have been lucky to make it through the season with his style.
Point being, Cam doesn't win the MNC without one of the most senior laden and experienced teams in the nation. Granted, they don't win it without him either but I want to pistol whip every mofo who says 2010 was all Cam.
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Most of this has already been covered in some capacity, but...
1) He uses flame-bait like Auburn "bought" Cam. Worthless.
2) He doesn't even know what year we "bought" him for. If he can't keep straight who the national champions were in the last 3 years (hint: it's only been two teams and they kind of, for better or worse, are considered a pair), then your analysis is probably not going to be top notch.
3) As Yoda said, he is trying to lump 5-19 in with the rest of it for dramatic effect. RWS fell for it with the Shula comment.
The fact of the matter is, Chizik is 16-10 at Auburn (not 21 & 30) "if you Take Away Cam".
4) "If you take away Cam" is asinine in and of itself. For Urban Meyer, at Florida alone, "If you take away Tebow", he was 17-8. One less win and one more game overall. Yet he's still revered as a coaching God and the "without Tebow" argument never surfaces.
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Most of this has already been covered in some capacity, but...
1) He uses flame-bait like Auburn "bought" Cam. Worthless.
That journalistic approach has led to Kevin Scarbinsky with the Bham News having a career (case in point)
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Let's say Cam stays for his senior season. Okay, everybody in unison..
CAM STAYS FOR HIS SENIOR SEASON
Very good.
Now, how many games difference does that make in wins in 2011? I say 1 at most and I think that game would have been Clemson. Could have made Arky a good bit closer because we had a couple of glimmers of hope in that game. Otherwise, our collective shit was pushed in hard by Arky, LSU, Georgia and Alabama. Closer games? Proabably not much closer because AU was outmanned on both sides of the ball in all those losses and Cam would have been lucky to make it through the season with his style.
Point being, Cam doesn't win the MNC without one of the most senior laden and experienced teams in the nation. Granted, they don't win it without him either but I want to pistol whip every mofo who says 2010 was all Cam.
Gonna say more than one, his talent alone gets us that one plus others; his leadership gets us at least one more. We were not a run threat from the QB position last year; with him still back there you have to respect that.
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Most of this has already been covered in some capacity, but...
1) He uses flame-bait like Auburn "bought" Cam. Worthless.
BINGO
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Gonna say more than one, his talent alone gets us that one plus others; his leadership gets us at least one more. We were not a run threat from the QB position last year; with him still back there you have to respect that.
Agreed. A lot of our problem last year was inability to sustain drives/convert 3rd downs.
Cam would have been a lifesaver in that respect.
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I think with him we may have beat Clemson and Arkansas. We were in that Arkansas game until that pitiful no holding call that allowed Adams to break off an 80+ year run on us. That broke us and we quit. He may have helped keep the game close against UGA, but I don't think we would have beat them, nor do I think we would have beat LSU or bama last year.
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So which one of you is going to be I-Man on Clay Travis's show? What about Jim from Tuscaloosa? Tammy? Charles from Reeltown?
You all just played right into this fucker's hands. He'll get hits. He'll brag about being the most talked about douchebag in the SEC and sit in Finebaum's seat once he retires.
And what really sucks? If he hadn't included "bought" before Cam Newton, I'd give his article a thought or two. But with that? It's typical message board, radio trolling.
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So which one of you is going to be I-Man on Clay Travis's show? What about Jim from Tuscaloosa? Tammy? Charles from Reeltown?
You all just played right into this fucker's hands. He'll get hits. He'll brag about being the most talked about douchebag in the SEC and sit in Finebaum's seat once he retires.
And what really sucks? If he hadn't included "bought" before Cam Newton, I'd give his article a thought or two. But with that? It's typical message board, radio trolling.
Dibs on Robert from Waterloo, Iowa.
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Dibs on Robert from Waterloo, Iowa.
I have a few jokes, but I can't bring myself to hit "Post." Where's Uncle Sani when you need him?
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I have a few jokes, but I can't bring myself to hit "Post." Where's Uncle Sani when you need him?
Pussy.
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Dibs on Robert from Waterloo, Iowa.
Hi Clay *cough* this is *cough* Shane from Center *cough*cough*...... dialtone
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Hi Clay *cough* this is *cough* Shane from Center *cough*cough*...... dialtone
Niiiiiiiiiice.
Watch out, though, PCT will come shit on your doorstep.
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Speaking of PF, the big topic the past two days has been Tammy talking about spreading her legs and how "It" smells like Bath & Bodyworks. Top shelf entertainment.
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Speaking of PF, the big topic the past two days has been Tammy talking about spreading her legs and how "It" smells like Bath & Bodyworks. Top shelf entertainment.
:charles:
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:charles:
Michael Bluth face palms at your response
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You know how I felt at the hire. I vomited in a parking lot. I took a call from rex 2.0
So I got credentials.
Keep your damn pants on. He's overachieved all three years.
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You know how I felt at the hire. I vomited in a parking lot. I took a call from rex 2.0
So I got credentials.
Keep your damn pants on. He's overachieved all three years.
:yawn: On the wagon...off the wagon... make up your mind.
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:yawn: On the wagon...off the wagon... make up your mind.
Wagon is consistent.
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I have a few jokes, but I can't bring myself to hit "Post." Where's Uncle Sani when you need him?
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Wagon is consistent.
yeah consistently on and off
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yeah consistently on and off
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Let's say Cam stays for his senior season. Okay, everybody in unison..
CAM STAYS FOR HIS SENIOR SEASON
Very good.
Now, how many games difference does that make in wins in 2011? I say 1 at most and I think that game would have been Clemson. Could have made Arky a good bit closer because we had a couple of glimmers of hope in that game. Otherwise, our collective shit was pushed in hard by Arky, LSU, Georgia and Alabama. Closer games? Proabably not much closer because AU was outmanned on both sides of the ball in all those losses and Cam would have been lucky to make it through the season with his style.
Point being, Cam doesn't win the MNC without one of the most senior laden and experienced teams in the nation. Granted, they don't win it without him either but I want to pistol whip every mofo who says 2010 was all Cam.
It would have changed every game we played. The defensive philosophy would be TOTALLY different. As soon as teams figured out we did not have that dual threat last year, they threw the kitchen sink at us. With Cam, they would not even think about it. Would we have won all of our games? maybe not,but we would have been in EVERY one of them till the end.
But does Travis really have a point. Hard to say. What if we never got Cam and Rollison became what we thought he could be? Maybe not undefeated, but still very competitive. So it is hard to day for sure.
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It would have changed every game we played. The defensive philosophy would be TOTALLY different. As soon as teams figured out we did not have that dual threat last year, they threw the kitchen sink at us. With Cam, they would not even think about it. Would we have won all of our games? maybe not,but we would have been in EVERY one of them till the end.
This!
Fuck EVERY ONE OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS that say we would have have for sure lost with Cam as QB. Every fucking one of you. Hell, he spotted Alabama 24 in Tuscaloosa and pulled it out against the best defense in the history of the world.
Fuck me we have a bunch of pansy ass bitches in here...
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This!
fudge EVERY ONE OF YOU MOTHER fudgeERS that say we would have have for sure lost with Cam as QB. Every fudgeing one of you. Hell, he spotted Alabama 24 in Tuscaloosa and pulled it out against the best defense in the history of the world.
fudge me we have a bunch of pansy ass bitches in here...
Please take your medication.
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Please take your medication.
He's on fire today.
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He's on fire today.
Yeah. Using Neat's Foot Oil to kill your jock itch will do that.....
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Please take your medication.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm schizophrenic
And so am I.
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Yeah. Using Neat's Foot Oil to kill your jock itch will do that.....
Speaking of jock itch. Were we speaking about jock itch? That's some evil stuff right there.
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Speaking of jock itch. Were we speaking about jock itch? That's some evil stuff right there.
Shit, we forgot to practice.
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Speaking of jock itch. Were we speaking about jock itch? That's some evil stuff right there.
And what jock gave it to you?
You look like Clint Mosley guy.
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And what jock gave it to you?
You look like Clint Mosley guy.
Them's fightin' words, Mister.
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Hell, he spotted Alabama 24 in Tuscaloosa and pulled it out against the best defense in the history of the world.
Was all planned. Cam had decided that the SC and Clemson games were just not enough of a challenge with each of those teams ONLY up 2 TD's. He figured 3 TDs and some change was about right.
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And what jock gave it to you?
You look like Clint Mosley guy.
Them's fightin' words, Mister.
Actually I was wrong, Clint is no jock. :facepalm:
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Speaking of jock itch. Were we speaking about jock itch? That's some evil stuff right there.
Starts with somewhat of a minor embarrassing itch, unless you're from Mississippi. They don't mind reaching in the side vent of their overalls to scrotum scratch while we try to do it in our pockets here. Not that bad until it festers and starts oozing puss. Then, it burns with the intensity of molten lava in the crevices of the ball sack and upper leg. Would even try diesel fuel for relief if nothing else were available.
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Starts with somewhat of a minor embarrassing itch, unless you're from Mississippi. They don't mind reaching in the side vent of their overalls to scrotum scratch while we try to do it in our pockets here. Not that bad until it festers and starts oozing puss. Then, it burns with the intensity of molten lava in the crevices of the ball sack and upper leg. Would even try diesel fuel for relief if nothing else were available.
Newflash friend. That aint jock itch. You slept with any questionable women lately? or VV? Might wanna get checked.
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Starts with somewhat of a minor embarrassing itch, unless you're from Mississippi. They don't mind reaching in the side vent of their overalls to scrotum scratch while we try to do it in our pockets here. Not that bad until it festers and starts oozing puss. Then, it burns with the intensity of molten lava in the crevices of the ball sack and upper leg. Would even try diesel fuel for relief if nothing else were available.
And that is why I mentioned the stuff. When I was a teenager, I got a nice dose of this. For some reason they did not have a nice cream for this (or maybe we just didn't have any). So my dad tossed me what he used to use. He said to wait till I was home alone and apply it to both sides. And then run, yell, whatever for about 30 seconds. When I wake up the next day, all would be well. He was right, ON ALL ACCOUNTS!
Holy SHIT that stuff burned. Wherever it touched turned WHITE. And then I knew why he said wait til no one was at home. I think the neighbors heard me.
The next morning, no itch whatsoever.
From that day on, I made sure that I took at least 2 showers a day.
I have a hard time remembering the stuff, but I swear it was called Neat's foot oil.
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And that is why I mentioned the stuff. When I was a teenager, I got a nice dose of this. For some reason they did not have a nice cream for this (or maybe we just didn't have any). So my dad tossed me what he used to use. He said to wait till I was home alone and apply it to both sides. And then run, yell, whatever for about 30 seconds. When I wake up the next day, all would be well. He was right, ON ALL ACCOUNTS!
Holy shoot that stuff burned. Wherever it touched turned WHITE. And then I knew why he said wait til no one was at home. I think the neighbors heard me.
The next morning, no itch whatsoever.
From that day on, I made sure that I took at least 2 showers a day.
I have a hard time remembering the stuff, but I swear it was called Neat's foot oil.
There was also a product called blis-to-sol ( I believe that was how it was spelled). The blis was there for a reason. I'm pretty sure it was nuclear waste. It was what the old timers used to knock it up but all it really did was burn the hell out of you and make you think it was killin' the itch. This stuff was sadistic. If the company still exists, I would pursue litigation for the mental distress, pain and suffering that I've endured since I was forced to apply to my crotch. Supposedly "worked" on athletes foot too.
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Holy SHIT that stuff burned. Wherever it touched turned WHITE. And then I knew why he said wait til no one was at home. I think the neighbors heard me.
I remember that stuff!
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