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copypasta from teh Dothan Eagle. Dismukes/Porsche return, Corey not satisfied and tackling 101
Auburn notebook: Dismukes back on field for Tigers
By: Ryan Wood | Opelika-Auburn News
Published: September 04, 2012 Updated: September 04, 2012 - 9:44 PM
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AUBURN - Auburn will have additional help Saturday when it travels to Mississippi State for its SEC opener.
Coach Gene Chizik said sophomore center Reese Dismukes will return from suspension after missing Auburn’s opening loss against Clemson on Saturday night. Dismukes was arrested Aug. 25 for public intoxication.
Chizik declined to say whether he would replace fill-in starter Tunde Fariyike, who was Dismukes’ backup throughout spring practices and August preseason.
“We’re going to wait and see how the week unfolds, and we’ll make that determination later in the week,†Chizik said. “As I said before, without going into details, when we feel like he’s done the things that we’ve asked him to do and we’re comfortable with that, you’d see him back on the field.â€
Chizik also said fullback Jay Prosch would play Saturday.
Prosch’s mother, Iris, died Monday morning after battling brain cancer for more than a year. Chizik said Prosch was in Auburn for classes Tuesday and Wednesday. He will return home to Mobile for his mother’s funeral Thursday.
Chizik said Auburn is trying to work out details in hopes of attending the funeral as a team.
“The family has to do what they have to do in terms of time frame and some things of that nature,†Chizik said. “We’re really trying to work through the details to see exactly what we can and can’t do. That’s kind of a work in progress right now.â€
Lemonier expects more pass rush: His two sacks, eight tackles and constant havoc in Clemson’s backfield would’ve been enough to satisfy most defensive ends. For Auburn junior Corey Lemonier, it wasn’t.
Lemonier said he needs to dip his shoulder more on the pass rush, improving his leverage as he turns the edge and heads for the quarterback.
"It creates a problem for the tackles to go down and reach me,†Lemonier said. “It's because, you know, they're 6-(foot)-7-plus. So it's hard for them if you're kneeling on the ground, like running close to the ground.
“Just keep working on that, and the sky's the limit.â€
Jones an impressive freshman: For now, freshman defensive back Jonathan Jones’ role is special teams. He had one tackle against Clemson, his first collegiate game.
Chizik said he’s excited for the freshman’s potential in the future.
“Jonathan Jones is going to be a really, really good player here if he’ll continue on the path that he’s on,†Chizik said. “He’s extremely conscientious in everything he does no matter what job or no matter what role you give him. He takes it very seriously, and it’s very important to him. He’s a very talented, gifted young man.â€
While Jones is limited to special teams for now, Chizik said the freshman could play a bigger role later in the season.
“We’re going to continue to utilize him and some of the other young guys on our special teams, but he showed up Saturday,†Chizik said. “We expect him to continue to show up, and we’re going to give him play bigger roles as he moves forward, but I really like him as a football player.â€
Sloppy tackling a simple fix: Chizik said there’s a simple solution to the tackling woes that plagued Auburn on Saturday.
“Well, we could tackle,†Chizik said. “That’ll help.â€
Of course, it was Chizik’s shot at humor. But the real reason Auburn’s tackling broke down in the fourth quarter is no more complex.
Auburn’s inability to get off the field on third down early in the game prolonged Clemson possessions. Clemson finished with 87 plays against Auburn, and by the end of the game the defense had worn out.
“I think, and this is going to sound crazy, but getting yourself off the field on third downs and not playing 90-something plays in a game makes you better tacklers late in the game when you’re playing 65 plays instead of 95,†Chizik said.
Quick hits: Chizik said senior receiver DeAngelo Benton is still suspended, but he is practicing with the team. … Defensive backs Robenson Therezie and Erique Florence will be in the same backup role they were in against Clemson. … Despite the 0-1 record, Chizik said he doesn’t regret playing Clemson to start the season. “I think there is a lot of value in getting exposed in areas that really tell you the truth,†Chizik said. “We got a lot of truth told to us on Saturday night.â€
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BTW....Jonathan Jones is the guy at practice a couple of weeks ago who laid out Therieze and separated Ricky Parks from the ball with a textbook hit. Small guy but holy schnikies, he can ball.
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BTW....Jonathan Jones is the guy at practice a couple of weeks ago who laid out Therieze and separated Ricky Parks from the ball with a textbook hit. Small guy but holy schnikies, he can ball.
cool story, brah...
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cool story, brah...
Now go make me a sandwich
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Just my $.02, but if Dismukes (or any player) has done what is needed to be taken off suspension, then he should be given his starting position back too unless he does something on the field to lose it. JMHO, YMMV.
Tackling? They gots to get better in a fucking hurry.
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BTW....Jonathan Jones is the guy at practice a couple of weeks ago who laid out Therieze and separated Ricky Parks from the ball with a textbook hit. Small guy but holy schnikies, he can ball.
Can he return punts and strip the ball?
I'd love to have our own honeybadger without the drug addiction.
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Just my $.02, but if Dismukes (or any player) has done what is needed to be taken off suspension, then he should be given his starting position back too unless he does something on the field to lose it. JMHO, YMMV.
Tackling? They gots to get better in a fucking hurry.
I couldn't find the exact stat, but Clemson put up 320 yards of rushing.. I'm willing to bet 2/3 of that was after contact.
BTW....Jonathan Jones is the guy at practice a couple of weeks ago who laid out Therieze and separated Ricky Parks from the ball with a textbook hit. Small guy but holy schnikies, he can ball.
It'd be cool to try to mix in Jones during the season outside of special teams. I agree, he's going to be a hell of a player.
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“Well, we could tackle,†Chizik said. “That’ll help.â€
Funny he never mentioned that the previous three years.
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I couldn't find the exact stat, but Clemson put up 320 yards of rushing.. I'm willing to bet 2/3 of that was after contact.
It'd be cool to try to mix in Jones during the season outside of special teams. I agree, he's going to be a hell of a player.
I would love to see the stats on that. Of course I would love to see the LB's hit the right gaps, make the right reads to keep themselves in the play, not take steps backwards and not dive at a runners feet. Would go a long way in stopping yards after contact.
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I would love to see the stats on that. Of course I would love to see the LB's hit the right gaps, make the right reads to keep themselves in the play, not take steps backwards and not dive at a runners feet. Would go a long way in stopping yards after contact.
As much as I bitched about our LBs, I have to remind myself that we ran a nickel package most of the night and were, therefore, a man short.
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I would love to see the stats on that. Of course I would love to see the LB's hit the right gaps, make the right reads to keep themselves in the play, not take steps backwards and not dive at a runners feet. Would go a long way in stopping yards after contact.
Here was my take. I'm not an X's and O's guy. Prowler gave a break down about Clemson running the "Smash" over and over and how they blocked it. In addition, how we were in the wrong defense for it. Again, not smart enough to know if that's the case, but it makes sense. What I saw were DE's going upfield and our interior linemen getting it handed to them. Now, in the LB's defense, if Ellington shoots through untouched and has a step or two to make a move on you....you're toast. Don't care what anyone says, that guy is damn quick and a 235 pound LB one on one with him is a mismatch 75% or 5/8ths of the time. Wrong defense or the big uglies not having a sack? I have no clue but once Ellington was past the first wave....
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I couldn't find the exact stat, but Clemson put up 320 yards of rushing.. I'm willing to bet 2/3 of that was after contact.
I'd say 4/6ths, although Chizad is the mathematician on here probably more like 5/18ths
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I'd say 4/6ths, although Chizad is the mathematician on here probably more like 5/18ths
I'm gonna need a metric conversion here.
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As much as I bitched about our LBs, I have to remind myself that we ran a nickel package most of the night and were, therefore, a man short.
It did look like we only had 10 out there.
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As much as I bitched about our LBs, I have to remind myself that we ran a nickel package most of the night and were, therefore, a man short.
I understand, and that was a part of it. It would have been nice to see Evans/Garrett out there with them, but I still would rate them a D on Saturday. We are hurting at LB, bad. Really wish Rah-Rah wouldn't have had the neck injury. I think he would have been a beast MLB for us this year if not.
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I understand, and that was a part of it. It would have been nice to see Evans/Garrett out there with them, but I still would rate them a D on Saturday. We are hurting at LB, bad. Really wish Rah-Rah wouldn't have had the neck injury. I think he would have been a beast MLB for us this year if not.
I just feel awful that I ever talked bad of Josh Bynes. Would love to have him now.
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I just feel awful that I ever talked bad of Josh Bynes. Would love to have him now.
Bynes was a step or two slow, but he overcame that by being so knowledgeable. He knew exactly where to be and when. He also knew how to get everyone else lined up to do the same.
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Bynes was a step or two slow, but he overcame that by being so knowledgeable. He knew exactly where to be and when. He also knew how to get everyone else lined up to do the same.
Plus, he would take your lunch money and make you like it.
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I'd say 4/6ths, although Chizad is the mathematician on here probably more like 5/18ths
Can't fool me. Those are the same thing. Reduced fraction.
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Here was my take. I'm not an X's and O's guy. Prowler gave a break down about Clemson running the "Smash" over and over and how they blocked it. In addition, how we were in the wrong defense for it. Again, not smart enough to know if that's the case, but it makes sense. What I saw were DE's going upfield and our interior linemen getting it handed to them. Now, in the LB's defense, if Ellington shoots through untouched and has a step or two to make a move on you....you're toast. Don't care what anyone says, that guy is damn quick and a 235 pound LB one on one with him is a mismatch 75% or 5/8ths of the time. Wrong defense or the big uglies not having a sack? I have no clue but once Ellington was past the first wave....
I'm watching a youtube of the game now. Watching Holland. On a Clemson drive it's 1st and 10, and Clemson has one TE in the formation, and motions a TE or a WR in to the Wing and the RB is lined up in the pistol. At the snap Holland is lined up 7 and a half yards off the ball! The play is run all the way. Two pulling linemen. There's no show of pass by the QB at all, his hands stay low with the ball as he hands it on a counter play. Holland bails for 3 yards before he realizes it's run! The blocker assigned to him has to chase him down, and makes first contact 8 yards down field as the RB comes right behind him. Gain of 11, right through the B gap, and Holland isn't even part of the tackle when it's made.
Next play? They run play action off the same OL blocking look and Holland is sucked in to the line by it. Completion to the left flat for a gain of 20.
Next play run from just inside the 10, it's first and goal. Holland gets lined up 5 yards off the ball (where he should be), and they run Inside Zone right up the Gut out of the pistol set. The DTs actually do their job here, and make the double teams on them stay long enough that Holland can get up in the A gap, and meet the ball carrier. What does he do? He doesn't even take a read/mirror step up, he just dances a bit, and waits to catch the ball carrier for a 7 yard gain.
That's just one drive where Holland is so full of fail it boggles the mind.
K was right, he's worse than bad!
Those plays start at about 7:45 in the 1st Q.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBqEaAPhd4
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I'm watching a youtube of the game now. Watching Holland. On a Clemson drive it's 1st and 10, and Clemson has one TE in the formation, and motions a TE or a WR in to the Wing and the RB is lined up in the pistol. At the snap Holland is lined up 7 and a half yards off the ball! The play is run all the way. Two pulling linemen. There's no show of pass by the QB at all, his hands stay low with the ball as he hands it on a counter play. Holland bails for 3 yards before he realizes it's run! The blocker assigned to him has to chase him down, and makes first contact 8 yards down field as the RB comes right behind him. Gain of 11, right through the B gap, and Holland isn't even part of the tackle when it's made.
Next play? They run play action off the same OL blocking look and Holland is sucked in to the line by it. Completion to the left flat for a gain of 20.
Next play run from just inside the 10, it's first and goal. Holland gets lined up 5 yards off the ball (where he should be), and they run Inside Zone right up the Gut out of the pistol set. The DTs actually do their job here, and make the double teams on them stay long enough that Holland can get up in the A gap, and meet the ball carrier. What does he do? He doesn't even take a read/mirror step up, he just dances a bit, and waits to catch the ball carrier for a 7 yard gain.
That's just one drive where Holland is so full of fail it boggles the mind.
K was right, he's worse than bad!
Those plays start at about 7:45 in the 1st Q.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBqEaAPhd4
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: He will GET crushed in SEC games.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: He will crushed in SEC games.
Caveman angry.
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I'm watching a youtube of the game now. Watching Holland. On a Clemson drive it's 1st and 10, and Clemson has one TE in the formation, and motions a TE or a WR in to the Wing and the RB is lined up in the pistol. At the snap Holland is lined up 7 and a half yards off the ball! The play is run all the way. Two pulling linemen. There's no show of pass by the QB at all, his hands stay low with the ball as he hands it on a counter play. Holland bails for 3 yards before he realizes it's run! The blocker assigned to him has to chase him down, and makes first contact 8 yards down field as the RB comes right behind him. Gain of 11, right through the B gap, and Holland isn't even part of the tackle when it's made.
Next play? They run play action off the same OL blocking look and Holland is sucked in to the line by it. Completion to the left flat for a gain of 20.
Next play run from just inside the 10, it's first and goal. Holland gets lined up 5 yards off the ball (where he should be), and they run Inside Zone right up the Gut out of the pistol set. The DTs actually do their job here, and make the double teams on them stay long enough that Holland can get up in the A gap, and meet the ball carrier. What does he do? He doesn't even take a read/mirror step up, he just dances a bit, and waits to catch the ball carrier for a 7 yard gain.
That's just one drive where Holland is so full of fail it boggles the mind.
K was right, he's worse than bad!
Those plays start at about 7:45 in the 1st Q.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBqEaAPhd4
Those aren't the plays from that first quarter drive.
However, he was horrible on those plays too...
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Caveman angry.
I was trying to think of word to put in there. It came to me later: Get
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The blocker assigned to him has to chase him down, and makes first contact 8 yards down field as the RB comes right behind him. Gain of 11, right through the B gap, and Holland isn't even part of the tackle when it's made.
Sorry but I am still :rofl: at THIS ^^^
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Caveman angry.
You are funny
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Those aren't the plays from that first quarter drive.
However, he was horrible on those plays too...
I believe they started about 745 in the second quarter my mistake.
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I can't believe you guys give Jake so much shit. He grew a real keen fro and gave his best Mr. Meanie look in his individual photo. It's pretty scary.
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I believe they started about 745 in the second quarter my mistake.
At 7:45 into the youtube video, he's awful.
What the hell is up with his bouncing up and down five times before going after the ball carrier?
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At 7:45 into the youtube video, he's awful.
What the hell is up with his bouncing up and down five times before going after the ball carrier?
It makes his fro jiggle so he'll look scarier to the runner.
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What the hell is up with his bouncing up and down five times before going after the ball carrier?
He's trying to shake his helmet off so he can come out of the game
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He's trying to shake his helmet off so he can come out of the game
#winning
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He's trying to shake his helmet off so he can come out of the game
Post of the day!
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He's trying to shake his helmet off so he can come out of the game
:bugs:
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That helmet ain't coming off of Holland's head...the Perm that he gets before the game holds the helmet on. Another thing, no one knows what the Defensive calls were that had Jake bailing (it was probably a Middle Zone call, just guessing). Yeah, you can watch the game a Million times, but unless you were on the headset or on the field you don't know what the calls were....maybe they had the LBers read the QB on certain plays, or something, who knows...we certainly don't. I do know that there were times that Holland was about 3 yards deeper than Bates, other than that, no idear what the calls were. IMO, Holland looked better when he would stick his face up into a gap instead of trying to read and react the double teams that are coming at him, in front of a quick RB.
One thing I did notice, Ryan Smith is apparently being taught how to tackle by Neiko Thorpe.
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I am bookface pals with Jakes dad, y'all are now in deep....deep trouble.
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That helmet ain't coming off of Holland's head...the Perm that he gets before the game holds the helmet on.
Afro sheen?
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Afro sheen?
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSC2cVIUP-z6NItVPySFDKKQDUYewkTy32zdx4j1pAMTY9nUw9hLA)
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One thing I did notice, Ryan Smith is apparently being taught how to tackle by Neiko Thorpe.
AMEN! That was about the worst tackling example I had ever seen. I kept running it back over and over showing my son (who plays QB) how not to tackle. I was embarrassed for him.
The sad part is that we look to be getting our tackling instructions from the same guy as last season.
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I can't believe you guys give Jake so much shit. He grew a real keen fro and gave his best Mr. Meanie look in his individual photo. It's pretty scary.
:thumsup: Him and me. The chicks would be ours.
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:thumsup: Him and me. The chicks would be ours.
You and Jake in a keen Mustang? The ultimate definition of pussy wagon.
Wait....I meant...
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You and Jake in a keen Mustang? The ultimate definition of pussy wagon.
Wait....I meant...
A hefty guffaw by me followed this post.
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Mike Pelton is no Tracy Rocker. That is all.
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Mike Pelton is no Tracy Rocker. That is all.
+1000
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That helmet ain't coming off of Holland's head...the Perm that he gets before the game holds the helmet on. Another thing, no one knows what the Defensive calls were that had Jake bailing (it was probably a Middle Zone call, just guessing). Yeah, you can watch the game a Million times, but unless you were on the headset or on the field you don't know what the calls were....maybe they had the LBers read the QB on certain plays, or something, who knows...we certainly don't. I do know that there were times that Holland was about 3 yards deeper than Bates, other than that, no idear what the calls were. IMO, Holland looked better when he would stick his face up into a gap instead of trying to read and react the double teams that are coming at him, in front of a quick RB.
One thing I did notice, Ryan Smith is apparently being taught how to tackle by Neiko Thorpe.
I am no expert, but I am pretty sure that there is no "middle zone" plays for defending a run. Again, usually the play action pass calls are used to freeze the LB's just a bit to more open up the middle of the field and let a receiver get behind them. This would be the worst play call in the history of the world for our MLB because Jake plays pass the entire fucking game. He is definitely not a run stopping threat.
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Mike Pelton is no Tracy Rocker. That is all.
Nor is he a Don Dunn or Terry Price.
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Nor is he a Don Dunn or Terry Price.
But he is the Greg Knox of D-line coaches
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Mike Pelton is no Tracy Rocker. That is all.
Meh...sacks are overrated.
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That helmet ain't coming off of Holland's head...the Perm that he gets before the game holds the helmet on. Another thing, no one knows what the Defensive calls were that had Jake bailing (it was probably a Middle Zone call, just guessing). Yeah, you can watch the game a Million times, but unless you were on the headset or on the field you don't know what the calls were....maybe they had the LBers read the QB on certain plays, or something, who knows...we certainly don't. I do know that there were times that Holland was about 3 yards deeper than Bates, other than that, no idear what the calls were. IMO, Holland looked better when he would stick his face up into a gap instead of trying to read and react the double teams that are coming at him, in front of a quick RB.
One thing I did notice, Ryan Smith is apparently being taught how to tackle by Neiko Thorpe.
True, we don't know what the calls are. Doesn't stop people from bitching about CBs aligned 8 yards off the ball, which would be proper in Cover 3. That said, if BVG has any call in his playbook where the Mike LB lines up 8 yards deep, ignores the personnel set that includes 2 TEs and 1 RB, down and distance of 1st and 10, and all the possible keys telling him it's run, like the pulling OL, the QB never raising the ball to prepare for pass, and the RB stepping forward to take a handoff, and he instead bails for 3 yards, then we need his ass fired today. If he has a call where the LB reads run, and both DTs get double teamed, and no blocker ever gets on him, and he's supposed to wait on the RB to run through the A Gap, the gap he's responsible for, and "catch him" 7 yards down field, BVG has to go.
It is my opinion, from watching Jake play, that he's scared. He's scared of contact. He simply doesn't have a MLB mentality.
THS said that he heard McKinzie and Frost are physically better, but just not getting the defense yet? Ok, I'll take his word for it. Put them in. IMO, it would be better to have guys that are physically ready to play, and mentally tough enough to crave the contact out there making mistakes going 100 MPH, than to have a guy like Holland playing as timid as he is.
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It is my opinion, from watching Jake play, that he's scared. He's scared of contact.
I always find that analysis to be a bit odd. How can a guy get a scholarship at a major college at MLB if there is any hint of "scared" in him? Tentative. Confused maybe. But scared?
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I always find that analysis to be a bit odd. How can a guy get a scholarship at a major college at MLB if there is any hint of "scared" in him? Tentative. Confused maybe. But scared?
I agree with the hater of brown folks.
Not a chance he is scared. Dumber than a box of rocks maybe but scared no.
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I agree with the hater of brown folks.
Not a chance he is scared. Dumber than a box of rocks maybe but scared no.
But smarter than a bag of dicks
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I always find that analysis to be a bit odd. How can a guy get a scholarship at a major college at MLB if there is any hint of "scared" in him? Tentative. Confused maybe. But scared?
Scared? Ok, maybe, maybe not. Timid? Hell yes, and that has no place in the make up of a MLB. I just watched a play where the TE ran a route that put him catching the ball 3 yards in front of Jake's zone drop. Caught the ball with his back to Jake. Great opportunity to lay the wood to this TE. He made the tackle but barely hit the guy. Had to wrestle him down when he had the chance to pop him good.
Like the play I talked about yesterday where they ran the inside zone, and no blocker got up to Jake, and he "caught" the ball carrier 5 yards down field, and allows him to fall forward for 2 more, instead of meeting him in the hole with authority.
Scared? Maybe not, but damn sure doesn't have the mental make up of an SEC MLB.
Is it possible he's scared? When you're no longer the man among boys stud like you were in HS, yeah, it's possible he's scared to play at this level.
I don't know what's in his head or heart, and don't know if he's dumb or smart. I know his play as an SEC MLB sucks donkey balls! And in this defense, that's not a good thing.
Whatever it is, he's not getting the job done.
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allows him to fall forward for 2 more, instead of meeting him in the hole with authority.
The latter would be the Vandy Vol approach style.
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Look...he's been playing hurt. All those injuries make it hard to...wait, that was last year's excuse.