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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Pell City Tiger on July 29, 2012, 08:22:22 PM
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http://www.arkansassports360.com/85724/malzahn-dismisses-dyer-from-arkansas-state-for-violation-of-team-rules
Dumbass.
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:haha:
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Dyer's last words, "Now I may be an idiot, but there is one thing I am not, sir, and that, sir, is an idiot."
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"And now, the starting lineup for your Pittsburg State Whatever-The-Fucks. At tailback, a 6'1" 220 pound junior Michaeeeeeeel Dyer!"
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"And now, the starting lineup for your Pittsburg State Whatever-The-Fucks. At tailback, a 6'1" 220 pound junior Michaeeeeeeel Dyer!"
Gorillas
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"And now, the starting lineup for your Pittsburg State Whatever-The-Fucks. At tailback, a 6'1" 220 pound junior Michaeeeeeeel Dyer!"
Mike had a growth spurt!
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http://www.arkansassports360.com/85724/malzahn-dismisses-dyer-from-arkansas-state-for-violation-of-team-rules
Jonesboro Sun: Dyer Dismissal At Arkansas State Likely Stems From March Traffic Stop
by Chris Bahn
7/30/2012 at 6:45am
Michael Dyer's only playing time for ASU ends up being the spring game. He suited up and played, but has been dismissed from the team and will not play for the Red Wolves.
Running back Michael Dyer is finished at Arkansas State before he ever really got started.
Dyer's dismissal — before he ever played a down — was announced Sunday through a statement from Coach Gus Malzahn.
“I am truly disappointed that it didn’t work out here at ASU for Mike,â€Malzahn said. “I wish Mike nothing but the best in the future.â€
According to a Jonesboro Sun report written by Matt Roberson, the dismissal is likely related to a March traffic stop in White County. Dyer was pulled over by an Arkansas State Trooper who found marijuana and a gun in his vehicle. Video of the traffic stop was obtained by The Sun through a Freedom of Information Act filed by the Searcy Daily Citizen.
It is unclear who was in possession of the gun and marijuana, per the newspaper's report. Trooper Royce Denney issued Dyer a speeding ticket and no charges were filed stemming from the discovery of the handgun or drugs. Per The Sun Denney is currently under investigation for his handling of the stop.
The Sun has details of conversations between Dyer and Denney caught on the officer's in-car video camera. (It's worth the $.99 one-day subscription fee.)
"You’ve got a career ahead of you, but you’re being a total dumb ass right now,†Denney apparently says to Dyer during the stop.
Dyer was supposed to be getting a second chance with the Red Wolves. He was suspended indefinitely at Auburn at the end of the regular season. Dyer testified in April during an armed robbery trial that his gun was used in the crime and he admitted to routinely smoking marijuana and synthetic marijuana.
Malzahn, Dyer's offensive coordinator at Auburn, was willing to give the former Little Rock Christian star another opportunity. Dyer helped generate interest in the program with media and recruits and the player's talent was obvious from his two 1,000 yard seasons and his championship game offensive MVP award during Auburn's 2010 BCS title.
Less than two weeks ago — and four months after the traffic stop — that Dyer and Malzahn held a joint press conference to discuss the running back's intention to stay at ASU beyond 2012. Dyer would have been eligible for the NFL Draft at the end of the season even though he is ineligible to play for the Red Wolves.
A waiver seeking immediate playing time for Dyer was denied by the NCAA. Dyer said on July 20 that he wanted to remain at ASU and serve as a mentor for the team's other players.
"I will just try to do whatever I can and just become a better person," Dyer said at the press conference.
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He seriously has to be the dumbest motherfucker this side of Maurice
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It actually makes me ashamed this kid broke Bo's freshman record.
Anyone know how to get permanent marker off of a football?
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It actually makes me ashamed this kid broke Bo's freshman record.
Anyone know how to get permanent marker off of a football?
A belt sander will not only remove the marker from the football, it will even remove any evidence that there ever was a football.
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http://www.arkansassports360.com/85724/malzahn-dismisses-dyer-from-arkansas-state-for-violation-of-team-rules
Looks like he may take a cop down with him too. Fucking moron.
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http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2012/jul/30/6487/ (http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2012/jul/30/6487/)
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http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2012/jul/30/6487/ (http://www.arkansasonline.com/videos/2012/jul/30/6487/)
Transcript anywhere? I don't have the patience to try to understand muffled audio of a conversation between Opie and Tyrone.
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Transcript anywhere? I don't have the patience to try to understand muffled audio of a conversation between Opie and Tyrone.
Nope, had to watch it twice to get some of it. Apparently the cop offered to hold the gun and the weed, meet up with Dyer later on to give back to him, but only after he talked to Gus first.
Funny, he lectured him about throwing away his career when he was essentially doing the same thing.
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What doesn't make sense to me is apparently this happened in March?
Malzahn had that press conference like a week ago to officially announce that Dyer wasn't going to seek another transfer and would be playing for the Red Wolves.
So what the fuck happened between then and now?
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Nope, had to watch it twice to get some of it. Apparently the cop offered to hold the gun and the weed, meet up with Dyer later on to give back to him, but only after he talked to Gus first.
Funny, he lectured him about throwing away his career when he was essentially doing the same thing.
He's not obligated to arrest him for that stuff, but if he gave him back anything that was illegal, ie the weed or a gun he didn't legally possess, then he would have been in big trouble. I guess he was going to let Gus handle it "in house" and the video got out. It will probably cost him at least a suspension, if not his job.
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Oh, and more disappointment from Gus. He's likely known about this since March when it happened, and chose not to dismiss Dyer until it became public. :facepalm: Gus at least knows that winning isn't just important, it's the only thing that matters.
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So what the fudge happened between then and now?
The cop finally showed up with the gun and the weed.
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Oh, and more disappointment from Gus. He's likely known about this since March when it happened, and chose not to dismiss Dyer until it became public. :facepalm: Gus at least knows that winning isn't just important, it's the only thing that matters.
I don't know. I think that sometimes coaches just hold out hope for a young man that they recruited and has so much promise. Yes, he might help the team win, but I know these coaches build a bond that goes deeper than that.
When they have to let one of these kids go, you can see the pain of failure in the coaches eyes. That would be the worst part of coaching to me.
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I don't know. I think that sometimes coaches just hold out hope for a young man that they recruited and has so much promise. Yes, he might help the team win, but I know these coaches build a bond that goes deeper than that.
When they have to let one of these kids go, you can see the pain of failure in the coaches eyes. That would be the worst part of coaching to me.
I agree completely. To a point. When you've been mixed up in owning a gun that was used in a robbery, and other various issues he clearly had, there comes a point you have to cut ties, and move on. I know Dyer didn't actually provide the gun in the robbery, or he'd have been charged, but he knew they wanted to use it and didn't take steps to stop it, or prevent them from getting the gun. That's bad shit right there.
There were likely other issues as well.
Then we get to this, and if Gus just found out about this when it was made public, then I have no beef with it, but if he's known since March, and only acted on it when it became public, then he's lost all respect in my eyes.
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I won't bad mouth Gus,(cept for his bama gameplan ;)) but me thinks his departure maybe wasn't so bad.
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I won't bad mouth Gus,(cept for his bama gameplan ;)) but me thinks his departure maybe wasn't so bad.
Just another example of the thug culture emitting from the plains.
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Just another example of the thug culture emitting from the plains.
Hammer's coming!
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Just another example of the thug culture emitting from the plains.
So says Scarbinsky.
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I won't bad mouth Gus,(cept for his bama gameplan ;)) but me thinks his departure maybe wasn't so bad.
In hindsight with what we know now....THIS ^^^
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In hindsight with what we know now....THIS ^^^
Meh, Gus served his purpose at Auburn, and Auburn is better for it. I lost a little respect for him when he took Dyer with him, but also get that it's all about winning, and nothing else really matters despite yapping about "discipline". At the end of the day, if you bring home a trophy, you got job security. If you don't, you can graduate 100%, and have no criminal or discipline issues, and you'll still be replaced.
As for the Xs and Os aspect of it, yeah, I'm glad we're moving back to more conventional Offense and leaning on Defense and special teams.
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Meh, Gus served his purpose at Auburn, and Auburn is better for it. I lost a little respect for him when he took Dyer with him, but also get that it's all about winning, and nothing else really matters despite yapping about "discipline". At the end of the day, if you bring home a trophy, you got job security. If you don't, you can graduate 100%, and have no criminal or discipline issues, and you'll still be replaced.
As for the Xs and Os aspect of it, yeah, I'm glad we're moving back to more conventional Offense and leaning on Defense and special teams.
I like how the head guy we have handles business. Its that fine line that I think Chiz toes well. I think Gus was the reason Dyer was around as long as he was.
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I like how the head guy we have handles business. Its that fine line that I think Chiz toes well. I think Gus was the reason Dyer was around as long as he was.
Not that it matters now, but I'd still like to know who was making the decisions to use/not use Dyer all through the season last year. If it was Gus, and Chiz didn't interfere, makes me wonder why Dyer left with him. Would kind of assume the two butted heads. Was it Chizik? Something wasn't right. You don't run the guy 157 times in one game on the road to beat a top 10 team and then give him 3 carries a half in other games.
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Not that it matters now, but I'd still like to know who was making the decisions to use/not use Dyer all through the season last year. If it was Gus, and Chiz didn't interfere, makes me wonder why Dyer left with him. Would kind of assume the two butted heads. Was it Chizik? Something wasn't right. You don't run the guy 157 times in one game on the road to beat a top 10 team and then give him 3 carries a half in other games.
It's obvious there was somewhat of a tug of war with Chiz and Malzahn over Dyer and playing time. Sorry but with Chizik on this one knowing what we do now with Dyer. Dude stays true to his convictions of running a tight ship and I like it. You can run a tight ship AND win. In fact Mark Richt proves this via doing the opposite thing the last 10 years. Enough talent to field an NFL team at UGA the last decade but the guy let's thugs run the locker room. With their talent level, they should have went much higher than they have. Sometimes there is addition by subtraction and I think Dyer is an example of this. With UGA Crowell is an example of that. Congrats to Marky Mark for doing the right thing for once.
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Not that it matters now, but I'd still like to know who was making the decisions to use/not use Dyer all through the season last year. If it was Gus, and Chiz didn't interfere, makes me wonder why Dyer left with him. Would kind of assume the two butted heads. Was it Chizik? Something wasn't right. You don't run the guy 157 times in one game on the road to beat a top 10 team and then give him 3 carries a half in other games.
Perhaps there was coach infighting? Perhaps Chizik "suggested" he take the Arkansas St. head job, could make sense why he took it for less money.
BTW I have no evidence for anything but does make you wonder.
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Perhaps there was coach infighting? Perhaps Chizik "suggested" he take the Arkansas St. head job, could make sense why he took it for less money.
BTW I have no evidence for anything but does make you wonder.
I don't think you are that far off. There are dots there and someone has to connect them.
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Perhaps there was coach infighting? Perhaps Chizik "suggested" he take the Arkansas St. head job, could make sense why he took it for less money.
BTW I have no evidence for anything but does make you wonder.
I have evidence. Chiz didn't run him off, not directly, but he did meddle in the offense last year, and that pissed Gus off enough to leave.
As for making the decision about Dyer? Ultimately that call was made by Chiz. Was he lobbied by Malzahn? Most certainly. It was the only weapon he had.
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All indications...to me anyway...are that Gene Chizik is only going to be as good as the people he hires. I acknowledge the blasphemy in using this example, but you always hear, "Kirby Smart is the DC but everyone knows it's Lord Saybinz defense and that he runs the show." Love the way Chiz handles and represents the AU program, but for the most part, I think he stayed out of the way and let his coordinators run the show on their respective sides of the ball. The Dyer thing may have been the exception. The Virginia game told me all I needed to know about that. It must have just about killed the guy to watch Ted Roof do a hatchet job on the AU defense.
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All indications...to me anyway...are that Gene Chizik is only going to be as good as the people he hires. I acknowledge the blasphemy in using this example, but you always hear, "Kirby Smart is the DC but everyone knows it's Lord Saybinz defense and that he runs the show." Love the way Chiz handles and represents the AU program, but for the most part, I think he stayed out of the way and let his coordinators run the show on their respective sides of the ball. The Dyer thing may have been the exception. The Virginia game told me all I needed to know about that. It must have just about killed the guy to watch Ted Roof do a hatchet job on the AU defense.
I would say that most coaches run their programs this way. For a variety of reasons, first being that it makes it harder to control the little nuances of the positions while being head coach. Second, most people don't like to me micro-managed and the egos coaches have would no doubt piss people off. There are exceptions to this rule obviously with the likes of Petrino, Spurrier and others. While I am sure saban micro-manages the hell out of his coaches.
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All indications...to me anyway...are that Gene Chizik is only going to be as good as the people he hires. I acknowledge the blasphemy in using this example, but you always hear, "Kirby Smart is the DC but everyone knows it's Lord Saybinz defense and that he runs the show." Love the way Chiz handles and represents the AU program, but for the most part, I think he stayed out of the way and let his coordinators run the show on their respective sides of the ball. The Dyer thing may have been the exception. The Virginia game told me all I needed to know about that. It must have just about killed the guy to watch Ted Roof do a hatchet job on the AU defense.
I don't know any coach that can hire dumbasses and be successful. Same in most businesses. The CEO can't do it all.
Overall, I think Chiz is as you say, but he is also the CEO, and while he may not get on the headsets and say "call this play" or "run this coverage" he did, last year, take control of the overall game plan to try to help the defense, and hide the deficiencies on the offense. As bad as it was, that could have been a 5-7 team, and we won 8 without a QB that was worth a shit, and with Freshmen and Sophomores all over the place. IMHO, it was a helluva coaching job by Chizik.
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I don't know any coach that can hire dumbasses and be successful.
Well, he did hire Ted Roof and win a NC. Ted Roof is still a dumbass right?
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Well, he did hire Ted Roof and win a NC. Ted Roof is still a dumbass right?
I guess I should have said "surround himself with dumbasses". And, I still believe Roof was hired for a reason, and he served the purpose, albeit it was ugly to watch.
I don't know if he's a dumbass or not. His defense didn't work worth a shit with the personnel he had, and that's not to say it was bad, because he had talent in 2010, and still sucked! I didn't like the overall way his defense seemed non-aggressive by design. Maybe, by definition, in coaching circles, that equals "dumbass".
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All I know is I'm looking for a lot more toughness this year, especially out of our defense. I readily acknowledge how young AU was and what the coaches did/didn't have to work with. But getting beat like they did against Arky, LSU, Georgia and Bammer is unacceptable in any situation. I've said this before but it bears repeating. There were several games last year where I had no doubt in my mind that they quit. Whether it was the coaching staff or the players themselves...doesn't matter. I can take getting 40 plus hung on a team if it's simply a matter of a huge talent differential. But watching them lay down and not even try to stop UGA from running between the tackles 70 plays in a row...having an LSU player say publically that AU's players quit....made me sick to my stomach. Anyone recall the LSU fullback say, "Come on, you're better than this."?
I'm thinking/hoping it was because we had no leaders out there. No Josh Bynes to stare you into playing harder. No Nick Fairly saying , "I'll handle this shit myself". I believe :stache: has the right mentality and will make his guys play with a chip on their shoulders. Pat Dye's first team went 5-6. They were half as talented as most teams they played. But they got after your ass and they were playing for a coach that said, "Fuck shaking their hands. Kick em' in the teeth and head to the locker room." That's what I want to see more of.
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I don't know any coach that can hire dumbasses and be successful. Same in most businesses. The CEO can't do it all.
Overall, I think Chiz is as you say, but he is also the CEO, and while he may not get on the headsets and say "call this play" or "run this coverage" he did, last year, take control of the overall game plan to try to help the defense, and hide the deficiencies on the offense. As bad as it was, that could have been a 5-7 team, and we won 8 without a QB that was worth a shit, and with Freshmen and Sophomores all over the place. IMHO, it was a helluva coaching job by Chizik.
^This^
Btw, Gus' move to be ASU's HC was the smartest move he could make. I said it before and I'm saying it again, it's better to learn the ropes at a small University and work your way up, than it is to start at a bigger University and fall flat on your face (same road that Coach Chizik took, as well as many other big named coaches).