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Do these people have real votes?
1. Nick Saban, Alabama
Age: 60
2011 record: 12-1, 7-1 SEC
At Alabama (5 years): 50-12
FBS career (16 years): 141-54-1
The Nicktator has five BCS game wins under his belt, more than anyone else in the business, and his three national titles—two at Alabama in 2009 and 2011, and one at LSU in 2004—stand alone. We may be even more impressed by the Tide’s 28-4 SEC regular-season record over the past four seasons, during a run of outright superiority for the league that no conference has matched in college football history. This is an easy call for the top spot.
2. Chris Petersen, Boise State
Age: 47
2011 record: 12-1, 6-1 Mountain West
At Boise State (6 years): 73-6
FBS career: Same
But for the Broncos’ one-point loss at home to TCU last November, we’d have had to have thought long and hard about putting Petersen at No. 1. Just look at that insane .924 winning percentage. Just look at the essential road wins vs. Georgia and Virginia Tech the past two seasons while you’re at it. (And, of course, you won’t ever forget the Fiesta Bowl downing of Oklahoma in Petersen’s first season.) Coach Pete is the magic man.
3. Urban Meyer, Ohio State
Age: 47
2011 record: Did not coach
At Ohio State: First year
FBS career (10 years): 104-23
Many readers have been asking us since we released our Big Ten coaches rankings: How can Meyer be No. 1 in the league without having coached a game?
The question is—sorry—ridiculous. Something tells us the Urbmeister’s pair of BCS titles and 36-12 SEC regular-season record while at Florida hold up when compared with the rigors of the big, bad Big Ten. A few years ago, this was your hands-down No. 1 coach in college football.
4. Les Miles, LSU Age: 58
2011 record: 13-1, 8-0 SEC
At LSU (7 years): 75-18
FBS career (11 years): 103-39
Here’s another coach who, if he’d bested Saban for a second time last season in the national title game, might’ve had an undeniable argument for No. 1 in the college ranks. As it stands, Miles, who won it all in 2008, has won at least 11 games in five of his seven seasons at LSU, and his 41-15 SEC regular-season record is pretty well off the charts. And does fun count? Of course it does. Miles is more fun in late-game situations than anybody.
5. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
Age: 51
2011 record: 10-3, 6-3 Big 12
At Oklahoma (13 years): 139-34
FBS career: Same
Let’s get this out of the way right now: Apart from the 2010 Fiesta Bowl laugher over Connecticut, “Big Game Bob†hasn’t won a BCS game in nine years. So his seven Big 12 championships don’t resonate? Stoops’ 96 victories over the nine seasons since his “heyday†don’t cut it? Please. Oklahoma is still a superpower.
6. Chip Kelly, Oregon
Age: 48
2011 record: 12-2, 8-1 Pac-12
At Oregon (3 years): 34-6
FBS career: Same
Not six years ago, Kelly was grinding through his 13th season on the staff at New Hampshire. Now he has three BCS appearances under his belt. If Eugene is the modern birthplace of cool in college football, Kelly is at least as big a reason why as Phil Knight. How well does it speak of his talent that the Ducks lost their quarterback and superstar running back from a Rose Bowl-winning 2011 squad and are expected by all of us to compete for a national title in 2012?
7. Gary Patterson, TCU
Age: 52
2011 record: 11-2, 7-0 Mountain West
At TCU (12 years): 109-30
FBS career: Same
How about that win on the blue turf in Boise last season? On the heels of a Rose Bowl-winning season, no less. TCU has won at least 11 games four years in a row and seven of the past nine. No coach in the country develops players better than Patterson. He gets his chance to bum-rush the Big 12 now, and we’re not betting against him.
8. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina
Age: 67
2011 record: 11-2, 6-2 SEC
At South Carolina (7 years): 55-35
FBS career (22 years): 197-75-2
So maybe Spurrier doesn’t work upward of 20 hours a day like, oh, that fella in Tuscaloosa, Ala., does. So what? The visored one has his own way of doing things, and it has led the Gamecocks to higher ground than they’ve possessed pretty much ever in the history of their program. We’re not forgetting the man’s virtuoso performance at Florida, either. He was great at Duke, too.
9. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
Age: 65
2011 record: 11-3, 7-1 ACC
At Virginia Tech (25 years): 209-98-2
FBS career: Same
The man has won four ACC championships since claiming three in the Big East. Which is to say, no one in either league has done better. The phrase “Beamer Ball†is a bit of an insult to the Hokies coach, because his program is so much more than surprises and special-teams tricks. This is the best “old†coach without a national title.
10. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Age: 44
2011 record: 12-1, 8-1 Big 12
At Oklahoma State (7 years): 59-30
FBS career: Same
Gundy is 44! now and fresh off the best season in program history. Even when he was 40! he was on the way—unbeknownst to many of us—to a run of improving the Cowboys’ overall and/or Big 12 record in every one of his seasons in Stillwater. With 41 victories over the past four years, Gundy has established his program—and himself—among the best in the game.
11. Bill Snyder, Kansas State
12. Bret Bielema, Wisconsin
13. Mark Dantonio, Michigan State
14. Mark Richt, Georgia
15. Bronco Mendenhall, BYU
16. Mack Brown, Texas
17. Mike Leach, Washington State
18. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame
19. Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech
20. Lane Kiffin, USC
21. Kyle Whittingham, Utah
22. June Jones, SMU
23. Chris Ault, Nevada
24. Brady Hoke, Michigan
25. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
26. Gary Pinkel, Missouri
27. Dabo Swinney, Clemson
28. Butch Jones, Cincinnati
29. Troy Calhoun, Air Force
30. Steve Sarkisian, Washington
31. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest
32. David Shaw, Stanford
33. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa
34. Al Golden, Miami
35. Ken Niumatalolo, Navy
36. Gene Chizik, Auburn
37. Bo Pelini, Nebraska
38. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State
39. Rich Rodriguez, Arizona
40. Charlie Weis, Kansas
41. Art Briles, Baylor
42. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
43. Frank Solich, Ohio
44. Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
45. Mike London, Virginia
46. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State
47. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
48. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State
49. Tom O'Brien, N.C. State
50. Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech
51. Charlie Strong, Louisville
52. Larry Blakeney, Troy
53. Larry Fedora, North Carolina
54. Mario Cristobal, FIU
55. Mike Riley, Oregon State
56. Skip Holtz, South Florida
57. Jeff Tedford, Cal
58. Dave Christensen, Wyoming
59. Will Muschamp, Florida
60. Paul Pasqualoni, UConn
61. Sonny Dykes, Louisiana Tech
62. Bill O'Brien, Penn State
63. Bill Blankenship, Tulsa
64. Jerry Kill, Minnesota
65. Randy Edsall, Maryland
66. Dave Doeren, Northern Illinois
67. David Cutcliffe, Duke
68. Jim Mora, UCLA
69. Tim Beckman, Illinois
70. Gus Malzahn, Arkansas State
71. Dennis Franchione, Texas State
72. George O'Leary, UCF
73. Mark Hudspeth, Louisiana-Lafayette
74. John L. Smith, Arkansas
75. Todd Graham, Arizona State
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-05-09/college-football-coach-rankings-nick-saban-chris-petersen-urban-meyer-les-miles#ixzz1uUZZgGRT
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Sorry but I think more of Rhoads and Tedford to be at 48 and 57. I sure as hell think more of Chizik than 36. I'm not gonna go all homer and say he's Number 1 in all polls but shit man, 36???? WTF
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Can't really argue with the top 10 too much. Lord Saybinz is the supreme being. As for Peterson, I don't care where you're at, averaging just 1 loss a year over 6 years is damn fine work. As much as I dislike Burban Cryer, he did rip it up at both Utah and UF. Certainly, you could change out and swap a few but still, hard to argue. The only one really questionable to me is Spurrier. I honestly don't believe he's a top 10 coach anymore.
Now, what the hell is up with the James Franklin love? He's coached ONE year and had a 6-7 record.
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Can't really argue with the top 10 too much. Lord Saybinz is the supreme being. As for Peterson, I don't care where you're at, averaging just 1 loss a year over 6 years is damn fine work. As much as I dislike Burban Cryer, he did rip it up at both Utah and UF. Certainly, you could change out and swap a few but still, hard to argue. The only one really questionable to me is Spurrier. I honestly don't believe he's a top 10 coach anymore.
Now, what the hell is up with the James Franklin love? He's coached ONE year and had a 6-7 record.
I am very very curious to see how Urban Cryer does at Ohio State. Personally, I don't think he is that great of a coach. Prior to UF he had only been at schools for no more than 2 years. Meaning he was working with players he hadn't recruited.
At UF I thought his best coaching year was when he won the MNC with both Chris Leak and Tebow. If anyone rips Chiz for having the Supreme Athlete #2, I don't know how you cannot rip Cryer for having the son of Christ.
I think the guy is a whiner and a quitter that couldn't hack it long term in the SEC. He had his ass handed to him after SoC left and he cried my health and exited stage left.
Boooooooooooo I say....Booooooooooooooo
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I don't know how you cannot rip Cryer for having the son of Christ.
Son of God, BROTHER of Christ.
Get it right
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This is why: All crappy sports writers think in it was all Cam Newton, nothing to do with Chizik.
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I am very very curious to see how Urban Cryer does at Ohio State. Personally, I don't think he is that great of a coach. Prior to UF he had only been at schools for no more than 2 years. Meaning he was working with players he hadn't recruited.
At UF I thought his best coaching year was when he won the MNC with both Chris Leak and Tebow. If anyone rips Chiz for having the Supreme Athlete #2, I don't know how you cannot rip Cryer for having the son of Christ.
I think the guy is a whiner and a quitter that couldn't hack it long term in the SEC. He had his ass handed to him after SoC left and he cried my health and exited stage left.
Boooooooooooo I say....Booooooooooooooo
All excellent points.
As far as Spurrier goes, I go back many moons ago when he was dominating at UF. Back before the intrawebz and Rivals became the big thing, we used to rely on recruitng mags and the preseason publications like Athlon for recruiting news. I recall going over the incoming freshmen for Florida one year and the amazing thing about it was there was only one player out of approximately 25 recruits, that didn't have some kind of High School All American designation in his bio. And that one was a back that AU desperately wanted.
I started thinking damn, an All American center is snapping to an AA quarterback who drops back behind the protection of 5 AA linemen while he throws a pass to an AA wide receiver. Oftentimes, there was no rhyme or reason behind his playcalling and in fact, it got him beat twice against AU. It was just that everyone of his players were just a little faster, a little stronger, a little quicker...than everyone they faced.
Now having said that, recruiting is a major part, if not the biggest part of a head coaches responsibilities. Things like discrediting Chizik for winning strictly "Because of Cam" when the question is never asked, "Who the hell got him to Auburn?" Spurriers recruiting fell off at UF and until recently, he hasn't done shit at USCe. On the other hand, I think Chizik's recruitng is getting better and better each year whether the rankings bear it out or not. While I still have some reservations, a big part of me says we can't help but be damn good if he keeps bringing in classes like these.
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And by the way, Tyler Nero is going to make Gene Chizik look damn good.
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In regards to this list...(Super Cam or not)
Chizik was the Head coach and deserves to be ranked above any coach that doesn't have an MNC.
This list is clearly based on what have you done for me lately, especially when Gundy is at #10.
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In regards to this list...(Super Cam or not)
Chizik was the Head coach and deserves to be ranked above any coach that doesn't have an MNC.
This list is clearly based on what have you done for me lately, especially when Gundy is at #10.
It took a lot of reads to make sense of this.
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It took a lot of reads to make sense of this.
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Yeah wrote in a hurry....that better?
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It took a lot of reads to make sense of this.
I still can't. Chiz deserves to be higher than whoever hasn't won an NC, but not sure about Urban's ability blah blah blah. Yeah, that makes a shitload of sense.
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I still can't. Chiz deserves to be higher than whoever hasn't won an NC, but not sure about Urban's ability blah blah blah. Yeah, that makes a shitload of sense.
I have already stated Chizik is my #1, and these lists are lame, however it's...
Not hard to comprehend, IMO a coach should be ranked higher if he has a MNC then someone who has not. Is this not the goal of College Football to win a fucking trophy. So those that haven't back of the list.
As far as Cryer, I don't care that you have a man crush on him. I don't think he deserves to be at #3. I never said where I would rank him in relation to Chizik that wasn't my point, I just think the guy gets a lot of credit for winning with other peoples players. I also think that he is a fucking whinny crybaby who faked a fucking health problem because it was too hard to sustain winning in the SEC. I want to go be with my kids...bullshit...if his fucking health is that bad due to coaching why is he at OSU. I have no respect for the dude...none!
Finally in summation I said the list looked to me like a what have you done for me lately list. Honestly I could give a shit about ranking these fucking coaches, but IMO Gundy and Kelly aren't better coaches then Chizik who has won a fucking MNC.
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Let's see a HC that goes...
1st season (8-5) - just about everyone, except for most of the team's fans, were saying "I don't see any more than 6 wins."
2nd season (14-0) SEC West Champions, SEC Champions & NATIONAL CHAMPIONS - just about everyone, except for most of the team's fans, were saying "I don't see any more than 8 maybe 9 wins."
*The University and it's Ath. Dept. is being investigated for its recruitment of the starting QB during the 2nd season*
*After being raped over the coals, the University and it's Ath. Dept. is deemed innocent (eventhough 99% of the media proclaimed differently leading up to the NCAA's decision)*
3rd season (8-5) Around 90% of the starters, from the '10 National Championship team, graduated or left early - just about everyone, except for most of the team's fans, were saying "I don't see any more than 4 maybe 5 wins."
But yet, these "sports gurus" aren't going to put that HC in the top 25, instead they put Lame Kiffin and Brady Hoke (Michigan will get donkey punched by bama in the first game this year) up there? What a Absolute fucking joke.
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I have already stated Chizik is my #1, and these lists are lame, however it's...
Not hard to comprehend, IMO a coach should be ranked higher if he has a MNC then someone who has not. Is this not the goal of College Football to win a fucking trophy. So those that haven't back of the list.
As far as Cryer, I don't care that you have a man crush on him. I don't think he deserves to be at #3. I never said where I would rank him in relation to Chizik that wasn't my point, I just think the guy gets a lot of credit for winning with other peoples players. I also think that he is a fucking whinny crybaby who faked a fucking health problem because it was too hard to sustain winning in the SEC. I want to go be with my kids...bullshit...if his fucking health is that bad due to coaching why is he at OSU. I have no respect for the dude...none!
Finally in summation I said the list looked to me like a what have you done for me lately list. Honestly I could give a shit about ranking these fucking coaches, but IMO Gundy and Kelly aren't better coaches then Chizik who has won a fucking MNC.
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Agree with the bolded part. The rest? I'm sorry your wife screams out Urban's name at inappropriate times.
But seriously dude, you seem upset. Take it easy! Too much caffine? Nurse forget your meds?
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So our gutted '11 team beat one of the most stacked SC teams in recent memory in Columbia. Coached by a one Steve Spurrier. How many times has Spurrier beat Chizik again? How many MNC's does Spurrier have again?
With Lattimore, Jeffrey and Melvin Ingram, the visor still could not beat a gutted Auburn team in front of 80K in Columbia. An Auburn team coached by Gene Chizik. Yes, Spurrier at 8th and Chizik at 36th makes perfect fucking sense. What have you done for me lately? That's obviously not the case here.
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Now, what the hell is up with the James Franklin love? He's coached ONE year and had a 6-7 record.
You shut your whorish mouth!
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Now, what the hell is up with the James Franklin love? He's coached ONE year and had a 6-7 record.
I think it's because he did it at a shithole of a football program like Vanderbilt.
I think that's why Spurrier still gets credit. That and his reputation from his Florida days.
I can see factoring a little of that in, but not to the extreme they did.
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I think it's because he did it at a shithole of a football program like Vanderbilt.
I think that's why Spurrier still gets credit. That and his reputation from his Florida days.
I can see factoring a little of that in, but not to the extreme they did.
And I am not sure what the criteria was for the list or if it was just a popularity contest, but should what he did at Fla factor in to how good of a coach he is RIGHT NOW? If we use that as a basis, then I would line up Peterson, Chizik and Saban and to me you couldn't go wrong with any of them. Of course personality wise Saban is a dick and a half, but I'm strictly talking overall football program picture. I'm not real high on Urban. He has done well with either a weak schedule or superstar players. His last year at UF? Loads of talent but no superstar to carry him, and he sucked balls.
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So our gutted '11 team beat one of the most stacked SC teams in recent memory in Columbia. Coached by a one Steve Spurrier. How many times has Spurrier beat Chizik again? How many MNC's does Spurrier have again?
With Lattimore, Jeffrey and Melvin Ingram, the visor still could not beat a gutted Auburn team in front of 80K in Columbia. An Auburn team coached by Gene Chizik. Yes, Spurrier at 8th and Chizik at 36th makes perfect fucking sense. What have you done for me lately? That's obviously not the case here.
Here's the deal, pure and simple. Chizik didn't win an NC, he bought one. And to add to that, the player he bought needed no coaching. He won it all by himself. Cam could carry Rhode Island School for Blind and Crippled Girls to the BCS title. So, no credit for coaching an NC team. None. (BTDub, there are Auburn fans that believe this part too, and still are in the "the jury is still out on Chiz" train) And that drumbeat has been heard loud, clear, and constant since it happened. And we all know who beats it most and loudest. That bald headed, big eared fuck that sucks Sabinz cock and swallows ever drop, every day on the radio. It's why in every fucking moronic "rank the coaches" list you see, he's listed below guys like James Franklin who can't manage a winning season at Vanderbilt. Forget being listed below guys who haven't won an NC, he's listed behind a guy that doesn't have a winning season to his credit as a D1 coach. And the cock sucker that put out theses lists actually think they're savvy about football, and that these rankings mean something. Fuck every single one of them in da mouf with a green, slimy, oozing, infected donkey dick. Every one of them is as dumb as the mouth breathing rednecks that call Fuckbaum every off season saying "Paaaawl, I dun studied on Aubren's scedul, n I kint fin no more n 4 wins Paaaaawl, whachoothank? Hey, an Pawwwwl, dunchuthank dem aubz is gunna find out dat cheezdip is rally more like uh 5 n 19 coach than uh champyunchip coach Pawwwwl!"
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Here's the deal, pure and simple. Chizik didn't win an NC, he bought one. And to add to that, the player he bought needed no coaching. He won it all by himself. Cam could carry Rhode Island School for Blind and Crippled Girls to the BCS title. So, no credit for coaching an NC team. None. (BTDub, there are Auburn fans that believe this part too, and still are in the "the jury is still out on Chiz" train) And that drumbeat has been heard loud, clear, and constant since it happened. And we all know who beats it most and loudest. That bald headed, big eared fuck that sucks Sabinz cock and swallows ever drop, every day on the radio. It's why in every fucking moronic "rank the coaches" list you see, he's listed below guys like James Franklin who can't manage a winning season at Vanderbilt. Forget being listed below guys who haven't won an NC, he's listed behind a guy that doesn't have a winning season to his credit as a D1 coach. And the cock sucker that put out theses lists actually think they're savvy about football, and that these rankings mean something. Fuck every single one of them in da mouf with a green, slimy, oozing, infected donkey dick. Every one of them is as dumb as the mouth breathing rednecks that call Fuckbaum every off season saying "Paaaawl, I dun studied on Aubren's scedul, n I kint fin no more n 4 wins Paaaaawl, whachoothank? Hey, an Pawwwwl, dunchuthank dem aubz is gunna find out dat cheezdip is rally more like uh 5 n 19 coach than uh champyunchip coach Pawwwwl!"
Except there is still the part where Chiz's team just beat Spurriers' loaded team. This is the part that is important - we had a rebuilding year. We lost so many starters. He took our team on the road in the SEC for a night game against a very very talented and good SC team. That was coaching. He out coached Spurrier badly. But somehow they think enough of the head ball coach to place him with the elite in the top 8 and Chiz doesn't even make the top 30? Bull fucking Shit. And it doesn't take a homer to see that.
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So our gutted '11 team beat one of the most stacked SC teams in recent memory in Columbia. Coached by a one Steve Spurrier. How many times has Spurrier beat Chizik again? How many MNC's does Spurrier have again?
With Lattimore, Jeffrey and Melvin Ingram, the visor still could not beat a gutted Auburn team in front of 80K in Columbia. An Auburn team coached by Gene Chizik. Yes, Spurrier at 8th and Chizik at 36th makes perfect fucking sense. What have you done for me lately? That's obviously not the case here.
I think Spurrier gets love because of the pedigree and to be honest he did turn that shit hole of a program around. USCe was a perennial doormat till he got there.
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I think Spurrier gets love because of the pedigree and to be honest he did turn that shit hole of a program around. USCe was a perennial doormat till he got there.
BS, Steve Tannyhill was the man!
(http://gamecocks360.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tanneyhill.jpg)
And Gundy should be removed from the list just for this:
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/365940/gundymullet.jpg)
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I think it's because he did it at a shithole of a football program like Vanderbilt.
I think that's why Spurrier still gets credit. That and his reputation from his Florida days.
I can see factoring a little of that in, but not to the extreme they did.
That's all true. BTW I think Franklin is probably a pretty good coach, but hell I don't know. Seriously though, if he'd gone eve 8-5 that would be worthy of high praise, but 6-7, even at Vandy is nothing to celebrate. It's not like that's not been done. Spurrier, OTOH, has won a NC, AND elevated the USCe program to heights they've never seen. Spurrier is a damn fine football coach IMHO.
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Except there is still the part where Chiz's team just beat Spurriers' loaded team. This is the part that is important - we had a rebuilding year. We lost so many starters. He took our team on the road in the SEC for a night game against a very very talented and good SC team. That was coaching. He out coached Spurrier badly. But somehow they think enough of the head ball coach to place him with the elite in the top 8 and Chiz doesn't even make the top 30? Bull fucking Shit. And it doesn't take a homer to see that.
Agree with the bolded. However...body of work vs one game. Think about it. I got no problem with Spurrier being ahead of Chiz on any coaches ranking. That's not a negative on Chiz either. As stated, this list, as a whole, is fucking stupid. Some are ranked by the "what have you done lately" standard, while others are given credit for their entire body of work, while others still, are giving credit for "over achieving under adverse circumstances" even if that is with a losing record. IOW, the list is totally subjective, and worthless. My bet is a fair amount of these list are put out for the sole purpose of ranking Chiz so low that it stirs folks to talk, whether in agreement or disagreement.
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Not ripping on Vanderbilt or Franklin for that matter. Like JR said, he may be a great coach but who knows right now? Obviously, we're going to debate where Chizik ranks among other coaches and it's the Franklin placement well above Chizik that blows my mind. 6-7 with the 6 wins coming against:
Elon
UConn
Ole Miss
Army
Kentucky
Wake Forrest
There's a common theme amongst those teams. They're horrible! One season of coaching, a losing record and the 6 wins coming against those teams....and the poll puts him that far above Gene MF Chizik?
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Agree with the bolded. However...body of work vs one game. Think about it. I got no problem with Spurrier being ahead of Chiz on any coaches ranking. That's not a negative on Chiz either. As stated, this list, as a whole, is fucking stupid. Some are ranked by the "what have you done lately" standard, while others are given credit for their entire body of work, while others still, are giving credit for "over achieving under adverse circumstances" even if that is with a losing record. IOW, the list is totally subjective, and worthless. My bet is a fair amount of these list are put out for the sole purpose of ranking Chiz so low that it stirs folks to talk, whether in agreement or disagreement.
agree...Cryer is still a whining crybaby bitch though.
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agree...Cryer is still a whining crybaby bitch though.
Ok then.
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Not ripping on Vanderbilt or Franklin for that matter. Like JR said, he may be a great coach but who knows right now? Obviously, we're going to debate where Chizik ranks among other coaches and it's the Franklin placement well above Chizik that blows my mind. 6-7 with the 6 wins coming against:
Elon
UConn
Ole Miss
Army
Kentucky
Wake Forrest
There's a common theme amongst those teams. They're horrible! One season of coaching, a losing record and the 6 wins coming against those teams....and the poll puts him that far above Gene MF Chizik?
Well he did almost not lose to Georgia, Arkansas, and Florida. That trumps Gene Chizik's 5-19 record before he got to Auburn.
Also don't forget that Vanderbilt is going to beat Auburn this season. Auburn has maybe 4 wins on their schedule.
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I think Spurrier gets love because of the pedigree and to be honest he did turn that shit hole of a program around. USCe was a perennial doormat till he got there.
...and they'll continue to be a doormat after the NCAA gets through with them (they've got many skeletons in that closet, they can thank Lou Holtz for a lot of them), whenever Spurrier retires there will be more stuff come up.
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Yeah, more on "How the fuck is Spurrier 8 while Chizik is 36?" department...
Most of the Chizik hate is because he was a percieved cheater for paying Cam. Nevermind that it was proven to be false, and meanwhile Spurrier FUCKING WAS SANCTIONED BY THE NCAA FOR PAYING PLAYERS.
In what world does that make sense?
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Yeah, more on "How the fuck is Spurrier 8 while Chizik is 36?" department...
Most of the Chizik hate is because he was a percieved cheater for paying Cam. Nevermind that it was proven to be false, and meanwhile Spurrier FUCKING WAS SANCTIONED BY THE NCAA FOR PAYING PLAYERS.
In what world does that make sense?
Haters, the whole lot of em'.
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Did I miss Bobby Model-Fuckin' Petrino on that list? Oh, wait. I see. He's #69
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Did I miss Bobby Model-Fuckin' Petrino on that list? Oh, wait. I see. He's #69
I went back and checked the list again, the 7th grader in me hoping desperately that that was true.
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I went back and checked the list again, the 7th grader in me hoping desperately that that was true.
That would have been too good.
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Yeah, more on "How the fuck is Spurrier 8 while Chizik is 36?" department...
Most of the Chizik hate is because he was a percieved cheater for paying Cam. Nevermind that it was proven to be false, and meanwhile Spurrier FUCKING WAS SANCTIONED BY THE NCAA FOR PAYING PLAYERS.
In what world does that make sense?
I already noted that the "Chiz Cheated" drumbeat was a big part. The answer to your question, it's simple. Spurrier's 'cheating' didn't result in a BCS Championship.
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I already noted that the "Chiz Cheated" drumbeat was a big part. The answer to your question, it's simple. Spurrier's 'cheating' didn't result in a BCS Championship.
So, cheat and win it all: Shitty coach. Cheat and still lose: #8 Greatest coach in the country.
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So, cheat and win it all: Shitty coach. Cheat and still lose: #8 Greatest coach in the country.
Welp, we've won a lot of ball games around here.
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So, cheat and win it all: Shitty coach. Cheat and still lose: #8 Greatest coach in the country.
Ed Zachery
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I have a problem with Jeff Lebo being ranked 33.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/auburn_coach_gene_chizik_suffe.html
Auburn coach Gene Chizik suffers the most personal insult of the week
Published: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 5:14 AM
By Kevin Scarbinsky, Birmingham News
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - Jim Delany's got nothing on Matt Hayes and Steve Greenberg.
When it comes to insulting football programs in this state in the last week, the Big Ten commissioner takes a back seat to those writers from The Sporting News.
All Delany did was take a thinly veiled shot at Alabama when he expressed disdain for an unnamed team that doesn't win its division but is given a chance to compete for a national championship.
Hayes and Greenberg got much more personal. They called Gene Chizik one of the worst national championship coaches in the country.
OK, so they didn't say it in so many words. They didn't have to use words to fire an arrow at Chizik's acumen.
They used a number, and the number was 36.
That's where they slotted Chizik in their ranking of the entire roster of Football Bowl Subdivision coaches from best to worst, from No. 1 to No. 124, from Nick Saban to Charley Molnar, the former Notre Dame assistant heading into his first season as a head coach at UMass, which is moving up itself from the Football Championship Subdivision.
Gene Chizik, No. 36.
When you're a year removed from winning a national title and being named national coach of the year, and a respected national publication says there are 35 people in your profession better than you, it's not a compliment.
How do you put that bit of disrespect into sharper perspective? Just ahead of Chizik: Navy's Ken Niumatalolo, who went 5-7 last year, at No. 35. Miami's Al Golden, who went 6-6 a year ago and has a losing career record, at No. 34.
Some other notable names The Sporting News considers better coaches than the Auburn coach: USC's Lane Kiffin (No. 20). Chizik's first Auburn team went to Knoxville and beat Kiffin's one-and-only Tennessee team.
Vanderbilt's James Franklin (No. 25). That's an awful lot of love for a coach who went 2-6 in his first season in the SEC last year with the Commodores.
Clemson's Dabo Swinney (No. 27). Chizik and Swinney are 1-1 head-to-head, with the rubber match coming Sept. 1 in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff in the Georgia Dome. Chizik is 3-0 in bowl games, which includes a national championship game. Swinney lost his last bowl game 70-33.
Kevin Scarbinsky is a columnist for The Birmingham News. His column is published on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday.
Did we mention that Chizik has won a national championship? The Sporting News did, too, but they chose to give all the credit to Cam Newton, as if the Tigers won it all despite their head coach.
"The Tigers have two 8-5 seasons sandwiched around the Newton Supernova," Hayes and Greenberg wrote. "Other than that, what do you have?"
Other than one losing season, in the SEC and overall, what do you have on Franklin?
There are eight coaches on The Sporting News list that have won national championships. Compare and contrast where they're ranked.
No. 1: Saban.
No. 3: Urban Meyer.
No. 4: Les Miles.
No. 5: Bob Stoops.
No. 8: Steve Spurrier.
No. 16: Mack Brown.
No. 36: Chizik.
No. 78: Larry Coker.
There's no mistaking the meaning of those numbers, and never mind that Chizik is 3-0 against Spurrier, handing him a record SEC Championship Game beatdown in 2010 and keeping him out of the SEC Championship Game in 2011.
Like Coker, who won his title at Miami before losing his job there and then re-emerging in the wilderness at Texas-San Antonio, Chizik is considered a one-hit wonder. The only way for him to change that perception is to win big again, to win without Newton, to win in the face of the best coach, the best division and the best conference in the country.
As insulting as the ranking was, it could've been worse. They could've ranked Chizik behind Tommy Tuberville (No. 50), who's struggled in two years at Texas Tech, and Terry Bowden (No. 76), who's back as an FBS head coach for the first time since walking away from Auburn in the middle of the 1998 season.
Chizik isn't Saban - a lot of Auburn fans will tell you they appreciate that fact - but in their three meetings, Chizik has one close loss, one close win and one lopsided loss.
Bottom line: The Sporting News got it right, and The Sporting News got it wrong. There isn't a better coach in college football than Saban. There aren't 35 coaches in college football better than Chizik.
Not at the moment, but check back in November. Rankings are always subject to change.
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I have a problem with Jeff Lebo being ranked 33.
One day people will wake up to this guy.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/auburn_coach_gene_chizik_suffe.html
Good read.
And he hits the point that we aren't expecting every objective person to rank him #1 or even top 5 or 10. But 36??? That's our fucking gripe.
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Good read.
And he hits the point that we aren't expecting every objective person to rank him #1 or even top 5 or 10. But 36??? That's our fucking gripe.
The big thing you hear detractors say is "Larry Coker". Well there's no fucking comparison. Coker won the NC in year one. If ever there was a "he did it with the other coach's players" story, it's Coker. Unlike most new coaches, he took over a program that was on top. His 2002, the class on the heels of the NC, recruiting class was ranked 8th. 2003 - 5th. 2004 - 6th, 2005 - 7th. 2006 -14th. Yet, from 2003 on, there was a steady decline from a NC level team, to a .500 team. He maintained recruiting, but not success on the field. So, it's a completely different situation with Coker. Chizik had a good core of players left him, but not completely loaded like Coker was left with. We all knew the gap in recruiting in 2007/2008 would leave us where we were last year, yet, I believe it was a great coaching job considering the number of Fr. that started or played a lot, and the fact that we didn't have a QB worth a shit. But, it still gets back to the dumbass fans that always like to claim (about a coach they have chose to dislike, and want to manufacture a way to not give credit where due) that he won a championship with a player that could carry any team to a BCS title with out the aid of any coaches help, and on top of that cheated to get him. Sadly, some of these dumbasses actually have places in major publications to put their drivel.
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I'll say again, it comes down to a lack of any research and taking a close look at the job Chizik has done. To the casual fan, 36 is about right. Let's say this happened at some other school. Chizik leaves Iowa State and lands at.....Texas A&M. He goes 8-5 the first year...the second year he wins the MNC with maybe the greatest player to set foot on a college field (But don't forget, it's a given that Corch Chizik bought and paid for said player and championship). Next year...8-5. Also remember that he came to A&M off a 5-19 career record. Now this is what every fan outside the AU family sees...and apparently what they based this poll on. Would we even remotely question his standing had this happened at A&M? No way. But he's here and we follow the program daily. We know the job he's done. These schleps did no research and published this.
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Coker practically had an NFL roster every year and underachieved severly. Chiz has met or surpassed expectations each of his 3 years. That comparison to Coker is garbage.
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I'll say again, it comes down to a lack of any research and taking a close look at the job Chizik has done. To the casual fan, 36 is about right. Let's say this happened at some other school. Chizik leaves Iowa State and lands at.....Texas A&M. He goes 8-5 the first year...the second year he wins the MNC with maybe the greatest player to set foot on a college field (But don't forget, it's a given that Corch Chizik bought and paid for said player and championship). Next year...8-5. Also remember that he came to A&M off a 5-19 career record. Now this is what every fan outside the AU family sees...and apparently what they based this poll on. Would we even remotely question his standing had this happened at A&M? No way. But he's here and we follow the program daily. We know the job he's done. These schleps did no research and published this.
Even factoring that in, 36 is low.
For starters, the idea that Cam made that much of a difference is pretty absurd. To ignore our veteran O-Line which I would argue was the best in the country at the time, a kicker that practically never missed, a Freshman running back that was MVP of the BCS Championship game, and the beast that was Nick Fairley, is to just be plain ignorant to the facts.
They have Briles at Baylor at 41. Five spots below Chizik.
RGIII really was that team. And even then, they didn't sniff a BCS Championship. They weren't even in contention for a Big XII championship, let alone winning an SEC one. And he was 4-8, 4-8, and 7-6 in every other year he coached there.
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I'd argue that Briles should be higher than 41.
One player does not a team make. RGIII was phenomenal, but Baylor has been a doormat for a really long time. The coach turned that team around starting with recruiting and coaching RGIII.
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Even factoring that in, 36 is low.
For starters, the idea that Cam made that much of a difference is pretty absurd. To ignore our veteran O-Line which I would argue was the best in the country at the time, a kicker that practically never missed, a Freshman running back that was MVP of the BCS Championship game, and the beast that was Nick Fairley, is to just be plain ignorant to the facts.
They have Briles at Baylor at 41. Five spots below Chizik.
RGIII really was that team. And even then, they didn't sniff a BCS Championship. They weren't even in contention for a Big XII championship, let alone winning an SEC one. And he was 4-8, 4-8, and 7-6 in every other year he coached there.
But that's my point. You're actually using facts....bringing out things you, as an Auburn man, know. Like the O-line etc. The writers acted merely as casual fans around the country. They don't give a shit about an O-line that had about 140 starts collectively under their belts. A damn fine freshman running back or two veteran receivers make no difference to them. Nor does a senior dominated defense.
Cam Newton was and is the sole reason for 2010. Fairley helped but he was a dirty player. The issue is, would you even think to question the ranking of a coach (He's at Oklahoma State and you haven't researched him or that program) who is 21-29 outside of one mega-season with greatest player ever.....that he bought and paid for?