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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on May 08, 2012, 02:04:42 PM
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/sec_coach_rankings_nick_saban_gene_chizik.html
Saban shits platinum.
Chizik barely holding on because he never wins the games he isn't supposed to. :taunt:
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/sec_coach_rankings_nick_saban_gene_chizik.html
Saban shits platinum.
Chizik barely holding on because he never wins the games he isn't supposed to. :taunt:
2 questions:
Was there a game Saban lost last year that perhaps he shouldn't have?
Was there a game Chizik lost last year that he should have won?
Every game we lost, we were supposed to lose. We also beat SC and FLA which we were also supposed to lose.
Bama should have won every game they played, but didn't.
They can shove that logic up their asses.
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Games Auburn weren't supposed to win but did:
2009:
West Virginia
Tennessee
Even though we shouldn't count moral victories...we were supposed to be blown out by Georgia and Alabama.
2010:
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Georgia
Alabama
But I forgot that since Cam Newton was such a great player, all of those media fucks like Matt Hayes who predicted Auburn to lose those games are pardoned.
2011:
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Florida
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Games Auburn weren't supposed to win but did:
2009:
West Virginia
Tennessee
Even though we shouldn't count moral victories...we were supposed to be blown out by Georgia and Alabama.
2010:
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Georgia
Alabama
But I forgot that since Cam Newton was such a great player, all of those media fucks like Matt Hayes who predicted Auburn to lose those games are pardoned.
2011:
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Florida
THAT just happened. Email his ass that.
Oh, and the Bama/SC game from 2010 too.
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And another thing -
What players in college football history are on Cam Newton's level?
Herschel Walker? Georgia lost 2 games in 1981 and one in 1982.
Bo Jackson? Auburn lost 3 games in 82, one in 83, four in 84, and four in 85.
Michael Vick? Virginia Tech never went undefeated.
Reggie Bush? USC lost a few games.
Tim Tebow? Zero undefeated seasons.
The point is that a legendary, spectacular player does not automatically equal an undefeated season. Why would anyone criticize Chizik for not only recruiting but knowing how to utilize a player like Cam AND knowing how to foster team chemistry?
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James Franklin? Really? You win 6 games at Vanderbilt and you're suddenly a jeenyus?
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James Franklin? Really? You win 6 games at Vanderbilt and you're suddenly a jeenyus?
Why do you hate VV?
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This quote right here tells me all I need to know about his entellijence level.
"Two years of decent defense..."
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And another thing -
What players in college football history are on Cam Newton's level?
Good point.
Add to that Vince Young too. Although he had many troubles being "that" superstar before Texas' magical season. What did Cam do before Auburn? Oh yeah, won a Juco NC. Suck on it Tebow.
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Part of me understands the reasoning if you're the casual fan looking at at it from the outside. If you're a fan of say...Texas..whoever...that's the assumption you make about Chizik's coaching performance to this point. Two 8-5 seasons on either side of being lucky enough to strike gold with Newton. I get it. It's fair for Joe Schmoe in Bumfuck, Nebraska to see it that way. But not Matt Hayes. It's his job to actually look at the situation as a whole and understand what Chizik and staff have dealt with since he's been here.
It's his job to know that 2010 was as much about senior leadership and experience across the board as it was Cam Newton. It's his job to know that team was absolutely gutted because of Tommy Tuberville's poor recruiting efforts his last two years. Not saying Chizik should be in the top 3. He's still got a lot to prove with his own players. But Hayes' reasoning shows he did nothing more than act like the fan in Bumfuck.
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Games Auburn weren't supposed to win but did:
2009:
West Virginia
Tennessee
Even though we shouldn't count moral victories...we were supposed to be blown out by Georgia and Alabama.
2010:
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Georgia
Alabama
But I forgot that since Cam Newton was such a great player, all of those media fucks like Matt Hayes who predicted Auburn to lose those games are pardoned.
2011:
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Florida
Most predicted a loss to La Monroe (or was it Tech) in Chizik's debut.
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Part of me understands the reasoning if you're the casual fan looking at at it from the outside. If you're a fan of say...Texas..whoever...that's the assumption you make about Chizik's coaching performance to this point. Two 8-5 seasons on either side of being lucky enough to strike gold with Newton. I get it. It's fair for Joe Schmoe in Bumfuck, Nebraska to see it that way. But not Matt Hayes. It's his job to actually look at the situation as a whole and understand what Chizik and staff have dealt with since he's been here.
It's his job to know that 2010 was as much about senior leadership and experience across the board as it was Cam Newton. It's his job to know that team was absolutely gutted because of Tommy Tuberville's poor recruiting efforts his last two years. Not saying Chizik should be in the top 3. He's still got a lot to prove with his own players. But Hayes' reasoning shows he did nothing more than act like the fan in Bumfuck.
Matt Hayes doesn't live in Alabama. He doesn't live 15 mins from campus like me. He doesn't go onto our campus often. He doesn't live amongst our hated rivals who think its funny to rub their nuts on another dude's mouth or kill 150 year old trees over a football game. He is not a donor, a booster or a ticket holder.
Because of the lack of all these things, he cannot see how a Mr. Gene Chizik has totally changed the culture of our entire program. There is unity, he has good kids (if you are not, you won't be in Auburn long), the fans are content with him, there is a different atmosphere on campus. Does he win every game? No, but he wins the games we should win for the most part with a couple of upsets that go our way. He recruits lights out and nationally. He is willing to make the moves and changes that his predecessor was not willing to do. This is a business to a certain degree and he understands that. But he also knows who drives the program - the fans and donors. I've said it before - Chizik (like Dye) treads a perfect line of winning ball games, having fun in the process and appealing to the fans. Although I'm sure some of Dye's former players would disagree on the fun part.
THIS, is what Matt Hayes doesn't understand because from his view it is impossible to see these things. He is not one of us. I bet you though that an objective journalist that resides in our backyard and sees these things understands - hint: Tony Barnhart.
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Matt Hayes doesn't live in Alabama. He doesn't live 15 mins from campus like me. He doesn't go onto our campus often. He doesn't live amongst our hated rivals who think its funny to rub their nuts on another dude's mouth or kill 150 year old trees over a football game. He is not a donor, a booster or a ticket holder.
Because of the lack of all these things, he cannot see how a Mr. Gene Chizik has totally changed the culture of our entire program. There is unity, he has good kids (if you are not, you won't be in Auburn long), the fans are content with him, there is a different atmosphere on campus. Does he win every game? No, but he wins the games we should win for the most part with a couple of upsets that go our way. He recruits lights out and nationally. He is willing to make the moves and changes that his predecessor was not willing to do. This is a business to a certain degree and he understands that. But he also knows who drives the program - the fans and donors. I've said it before - Chizik (like Dye) treads a perfect line of winning ball games, having fun in the process and appealing to the fans. Although I'm sure some of Dye's former players would disagree on the fun part.
THIS, is what Matt Hayes doesn't understand because from his view it is impossible to see these things. He is not one of us. I bet you though that an objective journalist that resides in our backyard and sees these things understands - hint: Tony Barnhart.
That's my point. He's writing like the casual fan and putting things out there that have no validity. If you're a professional writer and you're going to do a piece like this and give your reasoning, it's your job to do a little research and find out those things you mentioned. You don't have to live here or be an Auburn man or woman to find out what he's done in recruiting. To know that Cam Newton was a part...a very big part of a senior laden team that would have kicked a lot of ass with or without him. To know what hand he was dealt by graduation, attrition etc. You call yourself a professional...then put in a little work and don't just make shit up. The "defense" line just broke the camel;s back.
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Games Auburn weren't supposed to win but did:
2009:
West Virginia
Tennessee
Even though we shouldn't count moral victories...we were supposed to be blown out by Georgia and Alabama.
2010:
Mississippi State
Clemson
South Carolina
Arkansas
LSU
Georgia
Alabama
But I forgot that since Cam Newton was such a great player, all of those media fucks like Matt Hayes who predicted Auburn to lose those games are pardoned.
2011:
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Florida
Wins when a coach had a great player don't count. No credit for success, only blame for failure. Unless you are Saybinz, then it'Shuls's fault.
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Wins when a coach had a great player don't count. No credit for success, only blame for failure. Unless you are Saybinz, then it'Shuls's fault.
You're correct. I think they officially added the 2007 ULM loss to Shula's record.
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You're correct. I think they officially added the 2007 ULM loss to Shula's record.
I also forgot to add, that Sabinz puts 5 NFL players in the first round of the NFL draft off a NC team, and it's because he's a great recruiter and coach. Chiz gets players and wins, then "he can't win without great players".
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I also forgot to add, that Sabinz puts 5 NFL players in the first round of the NFL draft off a NC team, and it's because he's a great recruiter and coach. Chiz gets players and wins, then "he can't win without great players".
You best not forget that either, or Jon Solomon will be by to remind you.
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I also forgot to add, that Sabinz puts 5 4 NFL players in the first round of the NFL draft off a NC team, and it's because he's a great recruiter and coach. Chiz gets players and wins, then "he can't win without great players".
Fixed it for ya.
That list is just another one that shows how stupid the "sports journalists", or whatever the fuck they're called, are. Any Head Coach that exceeds expectations by almost half every year for three years straight, gets a pretty big bump up, in my book...add the "winning the National Championship" to that, now you're talking a bump up even higher...add the "hasn't put the football program on probation" too, that's another bump up. Here's my top five.
1. sabbin
2. Miles
3. Chizik
4. Pinkel
5. Spurrier
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Fixed it for ya.
That list is just another one that shows how stupid the "sports journalists", or whatever the fuck they're called, are. Any Head Coach that exceeds expectations by almost half every year for three years straight, gets a pretty big bump up, in my book...add the "winning the National Championship" to that, now you're talking a bump up even higher...add the "hasn't put the football program on probation" too, that's another bump up. Here's my top five.
1. sabbin
2. Miles
3. Chizik
4. Pinkel
5. Spurrier
Without debating others in your top five, which I really have no problem with, except Pinkel, but how do you rank a guy in there that hasn't won a conference title in the Big 12 in 12 tries; only won one at Toledo, and hasn't coached a season in the SEC ever?
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Without debating others in your top five, which I really have no problem with, except Pinkel, but how do you rank a guy in there that hasn't won a conference title in the Big 12 in 12 tries; only won one at Toledo, and hasn't coached a season in the SEC ever?
Was wondering the same thing.
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I would say his list is as good as anyone else's.
Here is mine:
1. Gene Chizik
2. I could give a fuck
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I would say his list is as good as anyone else's.
Here is mine:
1. Gene Chizik
2. I could give a fuck
This is the most accurate list yet. Gene Fucking Chizik bitches. Who else is there again?
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I would say his list is as good as anyone else's.
Here is mine:
1. Gene Chizik
2. I could give a fuck
THIS GUY!!!
I've said it before, and I'm well aware that it's homerific to the core.
There is literally not any other coach in the NCAA right now that I would prefer over Gene Chizik. Not has-been Spurrier, not dumb-luck Miles, not supreme-asshole Saban. Not perennial also-ran, never won a MNC, only won two SEC championships in 12 years (both in the first five) Richt.
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add the "hasn't put the football program on probation"
1. sabbin
2. Miles
3. Chizik
4. Pinkel
5. Spurrier
Believe sanctions followed Saban at MSU and LSU.
USCe just took the long dick of the NCAA.
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THIS GUY!!!
I've said it before, and I'm well aware that it's homerific to the core.
There is literally not any other coach in the NCAA right now that I would prefer over Gene Chizik. Not has-been Spurrier, not dumb-luck Miles, not supreme-asshole Saban. Not perennial also-ran, never won a MNC, only won two SEC championships in 12 years (both in the first five) Richt.
(http://gifsforum.com/images/image/yes/grand/hell_yes.jpg)
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I would say his list is as good as anyone else's.
Here is mine:
1. Gene Chizik
2. I could give a fuck
Dammit...you copied.
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THIS GUY!!!
I've said it before, and I'm well aware that it's homerific to the core.
There is literally not any other coach in the NCAA right now that I would prefer over Gene Chizik. Not has-been Spurrier, not dumb-luck Miles, not supreme-asshole Saban. Not perennial also-ran, never won a MNC, only won two SEC championships in 12 years (both in the first five) Richt.
Will you feel the same way if we lose five games next year?
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Will you feel the same way if we lose five games next year?
Got to agree with this. Hard to say the jury is still out after the guy brought us our first MNC in decades. But there's still a lot of questions for me. I give him full credit for all the positives and people like us who follow this program, know full well some of the shitty cards he was dealt. I'll say this, if we lose 5 games this year and a couple of them are of the woodshed, ass reaming variety...where no doubt in my mind, the team quit...LSU...Georgia...then those questions grow larger.
On the other hand, if we lose 5 games and we literally have that "Wait til next year" feeling because we know without a doubt this program is on it's way back to the top...I'm perfectly fine with that.
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Will you feel the same way if we lose five games next year?
Mister, you can take that conjecture right on out of this thread! Quit making sense and confusing us.
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Will you feel the same way if we lose five games next year?
Well, it hasn't happened yet, so this is purely hypothetical.
I haven't heard any talking heads' predictions yet, but I'd be surprised if they have us at more than 7 regular season wins. I imagine we're dogs against LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, & Bama. Clemson, MSU, & aTm are probably considered "too close to call".
That being said, I personally think that schedule looks more like a 9-3 +-1 type of season.
7-5 would disappoint me. I've got to believe the combination of a more favorable home/away schedule, the new coordinators, and the hope/belief that we build on last season rather than regress, means that we we get at least one extra win.
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Will you feel the same way if we lose five games next year?
A coach is only as good as his last victory...or 12.
I will say if we lose 5 this year I wouldn't have a pitchfork ready, unless we looked like uber dogshit. Next year would be the determining year.
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If this were the golden years of football, I'd follow Chizik no matter what. I like the way he runs the program. I like how he handled the NCAA investigations and the baseless accusations. I like how our team has energy and excitement. I like how he recruits. I like him as our coach because he embodies the characteristics of an Auburn person.
I would be fine winning some and losing some with Gene Chizik.
But these aren't the golden years. These are the winning years, and like most fans of college football teams, I have to assume that every single one of us will be sporting pitchforks if we have another season like this past one.
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Well, it hasn't happened yet, so this is purely hypothetical.
I haven't heard any talking heads' predictions yet, but I'd be surprised if they have us at more than 7 regular season wins. I imagine we're dogs against LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, & Bama. Clemson, MSU, & aTm are probably considered "too close to call".
That being said, I personally think that schedule looks more like a 9-3 +-1 type of season.
7-5 would disappoint me. I've got to believe the combination of a more favorable home/away schedule, the new coordinators, and the hope/belief that we build on last season rather than regress, means that we we get at least one extra win.
I think the situation at Ark will lead to a shitty season. Clemson already has issues, and unless Dabo completely flaunts lack of discipline in everybody's faces, Watkins won't play against us, and we will be a complete unknown to them on both sides of the ball. MSU? Pffft! aTm? Well they're bringing that gimmicky Air Raid offense that everybody knows doesn't work in the SEC, and they have a defense built (at least in theory) to stop spread passing teams of the Big 12. We will be nothing like that. LSU, UGA, and Bammer, are the only 3 I'm counting as Ls right now, and that could change if Frazier comes out looking good early, and the defense is improved.
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If this were the golden years of football, I'd follow Chizik no matter what. I like the way he runs the program. I like how he handled the NCAA investigations and the baseless accusations. I like how our team has energy and excitement. I like how he recruits. I like him as our coach because he embodies the characteristics of an Auburn person.
I would be fine winning some and losing some with Gene Chizik.
But these aren't the golden years. These are the winning years, and like most fans of college football teams, I have to assume that every single one of us will be sporting pitchforks if we have another season like this past one.
I hate that you're right in that last paragraph because I agree so much with the first.
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I think the situation at Ark will lead to a shitty season. Clemson already has issues, and unless Dabo completely flaunts lack of discipline in everybody's faces, Watkins won't play against us, and we will be a complete unknown to them on both sides of the ball. MSU? Pffft! aTm? Well they're bringing that gimmicky Air Raid offense that everybody knows doesn't work in the SEC, and they have a defense built (at least in theory) to stop spread passing teams of the Big 12. We will be nothing like that. LSU, UGA, and Bammer, are the only 3 I'm counting as Ls right now, and that could change if Frazier comes out looking good early, and the defense is improved.
This is pretty much my thought process that landed on 3 L's still being the benchmark for what would be considered a "good" season.
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Got to agree with this. Hard to say the jury is still out after the guy brought us our first MNC in decades. But there's still a lot of questions for me. I give him full credit for all the positives and people like us who follow this program, know full well some of the shitty cards he was dealt. I'll say this, if we lose 5 games this year and a couple of them are of the woodshed, ass reaming variety...where no doubt in my mind, the team quit...LSU...Georgia...then those questions grow larger.
Every time...every fucking time...I start to doubt the guy, he wins me over again. All in, baby.
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Every time...every fucking time...I start to doubt the guy, he wins me over again. All in, baby.
You love the prominent chin. You just can't quit him.
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Every time...every fucking time...I start to doubt the guy, he wins me over again. All in, baby.
To this point he really has handled himself aces in my book.
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You love the prominent chin. You just can't quit him.
It gives him place to rest thy balls
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The only time I've been truly disappointed in a Chizik-coached team was the shitty loss to Kentucky at home. That was awful.
I didn't like getting ass planted by Georgia and Alabama and LSU. We should be competitive. But what we had at quarterback -- worst excuse for an SEC quarterback I've seen since Gabe Gross shit himself at Tennessee in some long distant year -- I can almost overlook it.
I wonder HOW we ended up with Clint Turtle Moseley at quarterback and why he got to play ahead of Trotter who was clearly more mobile, more accurate and more versatile. That concerns me a little (and obviously pissed Trotter off). Was it an inability to accurately judge ability? Was there something behind the scenes?
Then I think of the (in retrospect almost desperate) plea to get Russell Wilson and think... hmmm.. what sort of difference would he have made? Closer games against Bama, LSU and UGA? We'd have beaten Clemson. That's about the extent of it. We didn't have a defense capable of beating any of those teams i'm afraid. Or maybe we did if we could have moved the ball even a little.
I don't like getting blown out. Some of that I can forgive last year. But that can't go on for long. I don't give a fuck what the shit eating media in this state and Mel Kiper say, Alabama isn't THAT good. Neither is LSU.
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The only time I've been truly disappointed in a Chizik-coached team was the shitty loss to Kentucky at home. That was awful.
I didn't like getting ass planted by Georgia and Alabama and LSU. We should be competitive. But what we had at quarterback -- worst excuse for an SEC quarterback I've seen since Gabe Gross shit himself at Tennessee in some long distant year -- I can almost overlook it.
I wonder HOW we ended up with Clint Turtle Moseley at quarterback and why he got to play ahead of Trotter who was clearly more mobile, more accurate and more versatile. That concerns me a little (and obviously pissed Trotter off). Was it an inability to accurately judge ability? Was there something behind the scenes?
Then I think of the (in retrospect almost desperate) plea to get Russell Wilson and think... hmmm.. what sort of difference would he have made? Closer games against Bama, LSU and UGA? We'd have beaten Clemson. That's about the extent of it. We didn't have a defense capable of beating any of those teams i'm afraid. Or maybe we did if we could have moved the ball even a little.
I don't like getting blown out. Some of that I can forgive last year. But that can't go on for long. I don't give a fuck what the shit eating media in this state and Mel Kiper say, Alabama isn't THAT good. Neither is LSU.
Am I missing something? Didn't Trotter start the season? Didn't we all call for his head? Didn't we all then come to the realization that there was a reason he'd been tabbed the starter to begin with, and even write open letters of apology? Or did I misunderstand?
The rest you say, I agree with.
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Am I missing something? Didn't Trotter start the season? Didn't we all call for his head? Didn't we all then come to the realization that there was a reason he'd been tabbed the starter to begin with, and even write open letters of apology? Or did I misunderstand?
I know I was on the Moseley train...then the fuckin tracks came off and the engine hid whenever he saw a big piece of coal.
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I know I was on the Moseley train...then the fuckin tracks came off and the engine hid whenever he saw a big piece of coal.
I see What you did there.
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Am I missing something? Didn't Trotter start the season? Didn't we all call for his head? Didn't we all then come to the realization that there was a reason he'd been tabbed the starter to begin with, and even write open letters of apology? Or did I misunderstand?
The rest you say, I agree with.
Well why did they listen to us? For God's sake couldn't they see in practice that Moseley sucked syphilitic cock?
What the hell happened to Trotter at halftime of the Clemson game. That's all i really want to know.
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Well why did they listen to us? For God's sake couldn't they see in practice that Moseley sucked syphilitic cock?
What the hell happened to Trotter at halftime of the Clemson game. That's all i really want to know.
This just in, Trotter wasnt good either. Might have been better with decent OL. They didnt listen to us. They saw Trotter's struggles, decided to make a change and see if Moseley was a gamer. He wasn't. Trotter, with a better OL, and Blake to throw to might have been competent.
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What the hell happened to Trotter at halftime of the Clemson game. That's all i really want to know.
That is the $64M question indeed.
I'm betting Moseley replaced him with a cyborg.
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What the hell happened to Trotter at halftime of the Clemson game. That's all i really want to know.
Blake got hurt and he decided it was better to run around like a chicken and not force a mistake then to throw the ball.
oh and what JR said about the OL which Weskie and I were preaching all year and now seems to suddenly have caught on with validity.
Oh and Gus couldn't call a play
and Diyere was playing because he smoked weed or he wasn't playing.... I dont fucking know.
and our defense was the suxxors because Ted Roof ran it.
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This just in, Trotter wasnt good either. Might have been better with decent OL. They didnt listen to us. They saw Trotter's struggles, decided to make a change and see if Moseley was a gamer. He wasn't. Trotter, with that OL, was competent with a better OL, and Blake to throw to.
CLEARLY better than Moseley though. We even saw that from the start, too. If Chris Todd and Jevon Snead had a paraplegic baby it would grow up to be more mobile and courageous than Pussy Face Moseley.
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CLEARLY better than Moseley though. We even saw that from the start, too. If Chris Todd and Jevon Snead had a paraplegic baby it would grow up to be more mobile and courageous than Pussy Face Moseley.
Coffee...meet monitor.
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Coffee...meet monitor.
Unfortunately, I was taking a big gulp of a Tropical Smoothie shake. That stuff doesn't come out of a keyboard very easily.
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CLEARLY better than Moseley though. We even saw that from the start, too.
Uh huh. Think back. Everbody saw Trotter's struggles too. If a change had not heen made, likely same season results, and you (and everybody else) would be doing the same bitching claiming that Moseley couldnt possibly be worse, and the coaches were hard headed. No way to win for a coach when they make decisions without benefit of the hindsight we all now have. How many times have you heard Miles criticized for sticking with Jefferson? Think maybe he knew things onky those on the practice field could know?
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CLEARLY better than Moseley though. We even saw that from the start, too. If Chris Todd and Jevon Snead had a paraplegic baby it would grow up to be more mobile and courageous than Pussy Face Moseley.
Yep, people just walked past my office to see what was so funny.
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Unfortunately, I was taking a big gulp of a Tropical Smoothie shake. That stuff doesn't come out of a keyboard very easily.
I'd think it would even be harder coming out of your nose.
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I'd think it would even be harder coming out of your nose.
If you didn't have a dick in yo mouth, perhaps it wouldn't happen.
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So, you're all saying Gene Chizik should be #1?
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So, you're all saying Gene Chizik should be #1?
Yeah, but Lebo must go.
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So, you're all saying Gene Chizik should be #1?
Especially if the category is best dressed.
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If you didn't have a dick in yo mouth, perhaps it wouldn't happen.
Look, just because I don't be givin' no man a foot massage don't make it right for Marsellus to throw Antwone into a glass motherfuckin' house, fuckin' up the way the n****r talks. Motherfucker do that shit to me, he better paralyze my ass, 'cause I'll kill the motherfucker, know what I'm sayin'?