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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on April 26, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
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There are plenty of teams interested in the services of Alabama star Trent Richardson, but the greatest rusher of them all doesn't get the appeal.
In a guest spot on ESPN Radio (via PFT), Jim Brown downplayed Richardson's game and lamented the NFL's move toward a more pass-happy culture.“I’m not overwhelmed with it,” Brown said of the prospect his former team, the Cleveland Browns, could select Richardson. “The problem is that he’s ordinary. I think he’s ordinary.”
What's ordinary about Richardson? "The size, the speed, his moves," he said.
Brown suggested that if Richardson couldn't start ahead of Saints running back Mark Ingram at Alabama (another guy that bores him), there's no reason to think he'll be a better player than Ingram in the pros.
Brown doesn't see many impact rushers at all in the modern NFL.
“When I watch football today I see a game of quarterbacks,” he said. “Protecting quarterbacks, throwing the ball, short passes, long passes, all kinds of passes.”
Brown might come off as a crank, but hey, it's Jim Brown. The man can say what he wants.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289f671/article/jim-brown-unimpressed-by-ordinary-trent-richardson?module=HP11_headline_stack (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8289f671/article/jim-brown-unimpressed-by-ordinary-trent-richardson?module=HP11_headline_stack)
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Couldn't disagree with racist Jimmy more. No, I don't like Trent Richardson. Yes, I think if the truth came out, he'd bring Bama to it's knees with NCAA sanctions. But, the guy is a beast and yes, he can run. Greatest back evah? No, not even close. But the guy is a damn good running back.
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Couldn't disagree with racist Jimmy more. No, I don't like Trent Richardson. Yes, I think if the truth came out, he'd bring Bama to it's knees with NCAA sanctions. But, the guy is a beast and yes, he can run. Greatest back evah? No, not even close. But the guy is a damn good running back.
I still think a running back is only as good as his o-line. Have fun in Cleveland Rent.
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I still think a running back is only as good as his o-line. Have fun in Cleveland Rent.
Oh I agree. But racist Jimmy should be focusing on Cleveland's need to upgrade that O-line and not bumping his racist gums about the back they may sign.
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Jim Brown...prepare your anus.
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Couldn't disagree with racist Jimmy more. No, I don't like Trent Richardson. Yes, I think if the truth came out, he'd bring Bama to it's knees with NCAA sanctions. But, the guy is a beast and yes, he can run. Greatest back evah? No, not even close. But the guy is a damn good running back.
I've never thought he was shit.
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Richardson the 3rd pick to the Browns...haha.
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Rent isn't going to be able to bull over Men, his running style usually results in a very short career when running behind a Swiss cheese OL.
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Rent isn't going to be able to bull over Men, his running style usually results in a very short career when running behind a Swiss cheese OL.
This is something I can agree with.
That bulldozing style only lasts for so long nowadays. Too many guys on defense on steroids. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trent get a concussion in year one.
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The LBs in the NFL are all just as strong and fast as you Rent.
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The LBs in the NFL are all just as strong stronger and as fast as you Rent.
Fixt
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Did someone call for helmet-to-helmet?
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Fixt
Tomato - Potato you get my point.
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Did someone call for helmet-to-helmet?
(http://instinctmagazine.com/images/stories/blogs/jhigbee/july2011/harrison.jpg)
Yes......James Harrison and Ray Lewis are waiting.
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Tomato - Potato you get my point.
The key is that they have had a few more years of taking steroids than has Rent...
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I just love these arguments. He can't run over people in the NFL. The linebackers are just as big. He'll get a concussion. I guess 190 pound Chris Johnson never took a hit or two from an NFL LB. Well, he doesn't run over people. No...but Michael Turner does. His teammate is 225 lb. Jason Snelling. He runs the same way. So does 5'7" 208 lb. Maurice Jones Drew. Look, if a back can run, he can do it at any level. 1,600 + yards and 21 TD's in the SEC and built like the Incredible Hulk somewhat suggests that he might be able to himself. And his running style isn't anywhere close to just running over people. I hate the fucker but these arguments are simply because he played for the cousin grinders. Yeah, he might get injured. Is anyone in the NFL immune from that? The people who's only job it is to evaluate talent, watch him run, time his speed, test his strength...disgaree with you.
But racist Jimmy does agree with you.
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I just love these arguments. He can't run over people in the NFL. The linebackers are just as big. He'll get a concussion. I guess 190 pound Chris Johnson never took a hit or two from an NFL LB. Well, he doesn't run over people. No...but Michael Turner does. His teammate is 225 lb. Jason Snelling. He runs the same way. So does 5'7" 208 lb. Maurice Jones Drew. Look, if a back can run, he can do it at any level. 1,600 + yards and 21 TD's in the SEC and built like the Incredible Hulk somewhat suggests that he might be able to himself. And his running style isn't anywhere close to just running over people. I hate the fucker but these arguments are simply because he played for the cousin grinders. Yeah, he might get injured. Is anyone in the NFL immune from that? The people who's only job it is to evaluate talent, watch him run, time his speed, test his strength...disgaree with you.
But racist Jimmy does agree with you.
Cleveland....just sayin
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And if you read the whole thread no one really says that he won't be able to bowl over people (cept da Prowler), just that it typically leads to a shorter career.
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And if you read the whole thread no one really says that he won't be able to bowl over people (cept da Prowler), just that it typically leads to a shorter career.
You're right, they aren't really saying it, but they are damn sure insinuating it.
I've never thought he was shit.
This is something I can agree with.
That bulldozing style only lasts for so long nowadays. Too many guys on defense on steroids. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trent get a concussion in year one.
The LBs in the NFL are all just as strong and fast as you Rent.
Fixt
Yes......James Harrison and Ray Lewis are waiting.
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I just don't think he is going to be an NFL superstar. There is no denying that he looked like a man among boys on the college fields. He will be a good back, that will make some noise for the first half of his rookie season...then he will be just like the rest of the NFL backs, imnsho. That is not a bad thing either.
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I just don't think he is going to be an NFL superstar. There is no denying that he looked like a man among boys on the college fields. He will be a good back, that will make some noise for the first half of his rookie season...then he will be just like the rest of the NFL backs, imnsho. That is not a bad thing either.
Agreed.
In other words, he's no Cam.
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I just don't think he is going to be an NFL superstar. There is no denying that he looked like a man among boys on the college fields. He will be a good back, that will make some noise for the first half of his rookie season...then he will be just like the rest of the NFL backs, imnsho. That is not a bad thing either.
I don't know if I even really agree with that. Was he as strong as fuck and could move a pile - yes. He was a good college running back, no doubt. Was he a great college running back, meh. bama has had an awesome offensive line.
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Agreed.
In other words, he's no Cam.
There are a lot of players that are no-Cam. I am not really comparing the two. I think he will be a serviceable back in the NFL and he has the tools to be a great back, the question is will he be?
Personally I don't think he will be an Adrian Peterson type player.
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I also think this year was a weak ass RB crop. The next RB taken in the draft was around 29th & I said who?
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I also think this year was a weak ass RB crop. The next RB taken in the draft was around 29th & I said who?
Yeah...that guy was no Onterrio McCalebb
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and to be honest Snags (for me anyways) it actually doesn't have anything to do with him being a bama player. I think Dont'a Hightower goin to the PAT's was an excellent pickup and will be a big force in Belichick's defense.
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and to be honest Snags (for me anyways) it actually doesn't have anything to do with him being a bama player. I think Dont'a Hightower goin to the PAT's was an excellent pickup and will be a big force in Belichick's defense.
Agree. I just don't get the hype with Richurson. Sure, he is good on paper and has great measurables. They love talking about how he bench presses 8,000 lbs, but so what? Nothing on the field impressed me beyond what an average to solid RB in the SEC could do. I def thought Lattimore was a better back all around. Rent was on a very good ball club with a very good OL. He had a role of moving the chains and moving the pile/running between the tackles.
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I just don't think he is going to be an NFL superstar. There is no denying that he looked like a man among boys on the college fields. He will be a good back, that will make some noise for the first half of his rookie season...then he will be just like the rest of the NFL backs, imnsho. That is not a bad thing either.
I think it's a wait and see. I'm not sure he'll be any better than average. It's a passing league for one thing. He's going to a shit franchise.
Alabama's pro day had the usual whispers about jaw-dropping 40 times. All first-time workouts for a top-ranked prospect that have breathless predictions about their 40 times. Running back Trent Richardson had folks talking about the magic 4.3 threshold, even some whispers of a potential dip into the 4.2 range. Richardson turned in two unofficial 40 times of 4.58 seconds. Now what?
To put those times in context, Richardson was reportedly working out at just 70 percent after offseason minor knee surgery. Richardson will obviously workout again, for individual teams bringing him in for pre-draft visits.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/3/29/2910937/trent-richardson-pro-day-40-time (http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/3/29/2910937/trent-richardson-pro-day-40-time)
He didn't work out at the combine. They alibi his pro day performance. As is the case much of the time, his expected 40 time is that of way outside the box high for his position, and yet his real time is definitely not "get to the corner" speed for the NFL.
Trent: 5-9, 229, 4.55 speed, maybe 4.5 if healthy, who really knows if he was that far off or not vs a similar sized Ben Tate at 5-11, 220, 4.43 speed. What did Ben do in his first full year on a Wildcard playoff team? Just under 1000 yards in 15 games, and a 5.4 yard per carry avg? Pretty good, but not pro bowl numbers, and he's on a decent team, while sharing the load with Arian Foster. Actually, in looking at it, Rents "measureables" are much closer to Rudi Johnson at 5-10, 227, 4.57 speed, similar strength. Decent NFL back, on a sucky to average team. Rudi played 8 seasons, and only 3 of those did he play 16 games. He only played in 9 games his first 2 seasons.
If Rent were on a team that relied heavily on Zone Blocking, and had a very good OL, he'd be ok. Like others have said, he's going to get hit early and often, and be playing on a team that is playing from behind a lot. They've won a total of 18 games the last 4 seasons. His career, on that team, won't last long, and will hardly be one to remember.
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Running back Trent Richardson had folks talking about the magic 4.3 threshold, even some whispers of a potential dip into the 4.2 range
I had to guffaw at this part above. Those people live in their own world.
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2 words....Darren McFadden
Better College Running Back - :check:
How's he doing in the Pros?
I thought he was going to be the next big deal at RB, I don't think he has been healthy a full season yet. Started to show some glimpses this season. Has been in the pros for 4 years.
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2 words....Darren McFadden
Better College Running Back - Check
How's he doing in the Pros?
I thought he was going to be the next big deal at RB, I don't think he has been healthy a full season yet. Started to show some glimpses this season. Has been in the pros for 4 years.
If it weren't for the new CBA capping rookie salaries, I'd think Rent would have fallen greatly. Although, the hapless Browns may have paid him anything. There's just no need to risk lots of money on a top 10 pick on a RB, when there's so many out there you can pick up in late rounds that can get the job done if you have the other pieces of the puzzle on offense.
Not to mention the Browns drafted Weeden. Talk is they'll trade McCoy, and that surely leaves Weedon as the starter. Rookie QB, that most say is a "system QB" that got his numbers in a league that plays little defense.
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”Sweep the leg Vilma!!!!” - The entire Saints Coaching staff.
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Not to mention the Browns drafted Weeden. Talk is they'll trade McCoy, and that surely leaves Weedon as the starter. Rookie QB, that most say is a "system QB" that got his numbers in a league that plays little defense.
I don't exactly get the smashing of McCoy. Granted I didn't watch many Browns games last year, but looking at his numbers he didn't perform that badly.
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I don't exactly get the smashing of McCoy. Granted I didn't watch many Browns games last year, but looking at his numbers he didn't perform that badly.
Considering the team around him, I'd have to agree. But you know, it's always the QBs fault, even if it isn't.
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I think something that gets overlooked, that I think adds to Richardson's value, is his pass protection ability. Especially when you have a shitty OL, and you have so many needs. It certainly gives your backfield a little flexibility. I'm not so sure why they didn't pick an OL in the 1st round, because I would imagine Weeden would have still been there later on. And they already had McCoy. But really, as far as the RB or OL argument goes for them, it's 6 of one half dozen of the other. Their problems aren't going to get fixed in one draft.
Trent also does well after contact, and has been durable during his career at Alabama. But the NFL is on a different level. I don't think he's guaranteed to be a pro bowler any more or less than any other rookie in the NFL. You just never really know who is going to pan out or not, regardless of how good or bad they were in college.
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I think something that gets overlooked, that I think adds to Richardson's value, is his pass protection ability. Especially when you have a shitakety OL, and you have so many needs. It certainly gives your backfield a little flexibility. I'm not so sure why they didn't pick an OL in the 1st round, because I would imagine Weeden would have still been there later on. And they already had McCoy. But really, as far as the RB or OL argument goes for them, it's 6 of one half dozen of the other. Their problems aren't going to get fixed in one draft.
Trent also does well after contact, and has been durable during his career at Alabama. But the NFL is on a different level. I don't think he's guaranteed to be a pro bowler any more or less than any other rookie in the NFL. You just never really know who is going to pan out or not, regardless of how good or bad they were in college.
Because they have three picks in the next round. They can pick up some good OL there.
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Because they have three picks in the next round. They can pick up some good OL there.
They picked up an OLineman...tRent Richardson, rws stated that his pass protection is the tits. I'm thinking RT, with a move to LT after a year or two. Now they just need a RB worth a shit that doesn't have a bum knee.
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I think something that gets overlooked, that I think adds to Richardson's value, is his pass protection ability. Especially when you have a shitty OL, and you have so many needs. It certainly gives your backfield a little flexibility. I'm not so sure why they didn't pick an OL in the 1st round, because I would imagine Weeden would have still been there later on. And they already had McCoy. But really, as far as the RB or OL argument goes for them, it's 6 of one half dozen of the other. Their problems aren't going to get fixed in one draft.
Trent also does well after contact, and has been durable during his career at Alabama. But the NFL is on a different level. I don't think he's guaranteed to be a pro bowler any more or less than any other rookie in the NFL. You just never really know who is going to pan out or not, regardless of how good or bad they were in college.
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