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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Pell City Tiger on April 14, 2012, 03:02:38 PM
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Beautiful day down on the Plains.
Neiko Thorpe is the Shug Jordan Award winner.
Cam just walked onto the field. Folks went wild.
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Beautiful day down on the Plains.
Neiko Thorpe is the Shug Jordan Award winner.
Cam just walked onto the field. Folks went wild.
Is the game being broadcast anywhere?
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3 & out for Frazier & the O.
Pike in now. Mike Blakely gashes the D for a 28 yard run.
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Mike Blakely is going to do well this year.
Moseley in now. Just got sacked by Owens.
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Is the game being broadcast anywhere?
Tape delay on ESPN3 tonight.
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Barring any shenanigans, Frazier has to be the man. Just took the O down the field for a TD. Corey Grant took it in from a yard out.
Blue leads the White 19-13 with just under 3 minutes to go in the half.
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Is the game being broadcast anywhere?
Cant find it anywhere.
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Cant find it anywhere.
Are you still talking about the game?
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Are you still talking about the game?
Yes. Other than that, we could be talking about a long list of things.
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Yes. Other than that, we could be talking about a long list of things.
meh. Just have the dvr set up for it.
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meh. Just have the dvr set up for it.
Will do. Had to work anyway. Now I'm having a little fun watching my son cut the lawn. He has no lawn mowing skills.
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Moseley starts 2nd half & immediately takes an 11 yard sack.
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Hell of a pass by Pike to someone. 39 wards.
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Will do. Had to work anyway. Now I'm having a little fun watching my son cut the lawn. He has no lawn mowing skills.
Time for him to learn a little thing we call self reliance.
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Moseley is hitting a rhythm on the drive. 2 nice passes to Reed & Blake.
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Aaaaaaand, Blakeley caps off the drive with. 25 yard TD. Scoring drive was 70 yards in 6 plays.
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Aaaaaaand, Blakeley caps off the drive with. 25 yard TD. Scoring drive was 70 yards in 6 plays.
I am hoping that this not a bad sign in regards to the D. How are they looking as far as tackling and shit like that?
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I missed the last 6 minutes of the game. A lovely Italian lady & her mother struck up a conversation with me, and i got the chance to parle some italiano.
Anyway, Blue team won 36-27.
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I am hoping that this not a bad sign in regards to the D. How are they looking as far as tackling and shit like that?
they looked good. Not a lot of deep passing plays - 2 for greater than 15 yards - so, they stacked the line against the run.
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We picked up two commitments today.
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I hope one was Clint Moseley committing to holding a clipboard.
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I hope one was Clint Moseley committing to holding a clipboard.
No shit. Other than the one scoring drive, he didn't do much at all. Although Zeke Pike played a better game, based on what I saw out there today, Moseley will end up number 2 and Pike will end up 3rd string. Frazier is head and shoulders above both of them.
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Just got back home. Wonderful day on teh planes.
Ran into Prowler at the Haley Center Bookstore.
This just in: Moseley sucks like a $5 whore at the docks.
Prosch is going to be a road grader.
Blakely will be an electric runner.
Pike looks like the QB of the future.
Frazier looks comfortable in the pocket.
The defense looks to be 200% improved from Roof's defenses...and there were about 8 starters out. :stache:
Grown men in jerseys who butt in line in front of kids for the autographs should be shot on site.
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Just got back home. Wonderful day on teh planes.
Ran into Prowler at the Haley Center Bookstore.
This just in: Moseley sucks like a $5 whore at the docks.
Prosch is going to be a road grader.
Blakely will be an electric runner.
Pike looks like the QB of the future.
Frazier looks comfortable in the pocket.
The defense looks to be 200% improved from Roof's defenses...and there were about 8 starters out. :stache:
Grown men in jerseys who butt in line in front of kids for the autographs should be shot on site.
fixt
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Just got back home. Wonderful day on teh planes.
Ran into Prowler at the Haley Center Bookstore.
This just in: Moseley sucks like a $5 whore at the docks.
Prosch is going to be a road grader.
Blakely will be an electric runner.
Pike looks like the QB of the future.
Frazier looks comfortable in the pocket.
The defense looks to be 200% improved from Roof's defenses...and there were about 8 starters out. :stache:
Grown men in jerseys who butt in line in front of kids for the autographs should be shot on site.
Frost is going to be a stone cold killer, Corey Grant is shit yo' pants fast. Blakely is going to help us forget that dope smoking troll from ArKansas.
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How many 50+ yard touchdowns did Sammie Coates have? At least 5, right?
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How many 50+ yard touchdowns did Sammie Coates have? At least 5, right?
If, by 50+yard touchdowns, you mean dropped passes...that would be correct.
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If, by 50+yard touchdowns, you mean dropped passes...that would be correct.
Dropped passes? You mean, "Passes not thrown fast enough."
Frazier better step it up. Coates does everything fast INCLUDING catching the ball. The faster the better.
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Dropped passes? You mean, "Passes not thrown fast enough."
Frazier better step it up. Coates does everything fast INCLUDING catching the ball. The faster the better.
It's okay...the drops were thrown mostly by Pike.
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Just got back home. Wonderful day on teh planes.
Ran into Prowler at the Haley Center Bookstore.
This just in: Moseley sucks like a $5 whore at the docks.
Prosch is going to be a road grader.
Blakely will be an electric runner.
Pike looks like the QB of the future.
Frazier looks comfortable in the pocket.
The defense looks to be 200% improved from Roof's defenses...and there were about 8 starters out. :stache:
Grown men in jerseys who butt in line in front of kids for the autographs should be shot on site.
So you hung out with Snaggle. Cool!
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Frost is going to be a stone cold killer, Corey Grant is shit yo' pants fast. Blakely is going to help us forget that dope smoking troll from ArKansas.
Yup.
Corey Lemonier will have another good-great season. Dee Ford & Angelo Blackson stood out too.
Btw, the starting OL was.
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Chad Slade
RT Patrick Miller
They looked pretty good, until it was an obvious passing down & CBVG told Lemon, Ford or Owens to fuck shit up in the backfield.
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Yup.
Corey Lemonier will have another good-great season. Dee Ford & Angelo Blackson stood out too.
Btw, the starting OL was.
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Chad Slade
RT Patrick Miller
They looked pretty good, until it was an obvious passing down & CBVG told Lemon, Ford or Owens to fuck shit up in the backfield.
Patrick Miller may win you that bet. Though he got beat in pass pro a few times.
The passing game, for the most part, is much more safe and OL/QB friendly. Lots of stuff outside the hashes. Quick game will mean the OL doesn't have to protect long, except when Moseley is standing back there holding the ball for 15 minutes.
Also, since my 15 year old daughter pulled one of those last minute "oh, daddy, I didn't tell you, but I have plans, and since the world revolves around me..." tricks, I didn't get to make it. The camera work for the tape delay broadcast was fucking horrible.
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The only thing that worries me about Frazier is arm strength. He throws like he's flinging a shotput and I don't think he can scare people far enough downfield to really open up the passing game. The defense will let people just roam free if they get more than 15 yards from the LOS.
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The only thing that worries me about Frazier is arm strength. He throws like he's flinging a shotput and I don't think he can scare people far enough downfield to really open up the passing game. The defense will let people just roam free if they get more than 15 yards from the LOS.
Hope the WRs discover the power of YAC.
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Patrick Miller may win you that bet. Though he got beat in pass pro a few times.
The passing game, for the most part, is much more safe and OL/QB friendly. Lots of stuff outside the hashes. Quick game will mean the OL doesn't have to protect long, except when Moseley is standing back there holding the ball for 15 minutes.
Also, since my 15 year old daughter pulled one of those last minute "oh, daddy, I didn't tell you, but I have plans, and since the world revolves around me..." tricks, I didn't get to make it. The camera work for the tape delay broadcast was fucking horrible.
Moseley looked lost back there at times...those times he took a 5-10 yard sack (one was while he was outside of the Tackle and Owens was coming right for him...Moseley elected to eat the sack instead of throwing it away). I came away knowing that Frazier's the starter & Pike is battling Moseley for the backup position (should be easy to win after Frazier is named the starter and Moseley pouts).
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Moseley looked lost back there at times...those times he took a 5-10 yard sack (one was while he was outside of the Tackle and Owens was coming right for him...Moseley elected to eat the sack instead of throwing it away). I came away knowing that Frazier's the starter & Pike is battling Moseley for the backup position (should be easy to win after Frazier is named the starter and Moseley pouts).
That sack he took on the first snap of the 2nd half was head shakingly awful. He saw the DE coming off the end then backpedaled 8-10 yards before getting dropped.
I guess its a sign of improvement that he didn't curl up and fall to the ground once the pass rush crossed the line of scrimmage.
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That sack he took on the first snap of the 2nd half was head shakingly awful. He saw the DE coming off the end then backpedaled 8-10 yards before getting dropped.
I guess its a sign of improvement that he didn't curl up and fall to the ground once the pass rush crossed the line of scrimmage.
He didn't curl up because he knew that he wasn't going to get hit. If the QBs had been live...Darren Bates would've ended the day for Moseley in the first Qtr.
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It sounds as though that our running game is gonna be a fun thing to watch. I just hope Frazier is the QB for this season. If not, I will be drinking heavily.
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Also, if what I read is true then I will be pleased with Auburns D. Holland seems to be catching on pretty good along with Frost and several others as mentioned. There is hope.
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I've learned after so many years of A-Day games not to let it affect my expectations too much one way or another. In his last 2 Spring games, Neil Caudle looked like Tom Brady and I thought he was duh man. However, there is one thing noticably different with this team.....they TACKLE. They break down and wrap you up. There were no bodies flying like missles at anyone's feet and no shoulder blocks trying to make the huge hit. That, more than anything else, gave me wood....well except the girl in front of us with the see-through white skirt that had leopard print panties on. Now, that was hot.
A few general observations:
The DE's are damn fast. Either that or our tackles suck balls. I'm hoping it's the DE's.
The biggest ovation of the day was when Neiko accepted his award and LEFT the field.
As was said earlier, the passing game looks to be much safer with tons of short to medium range throws. Don't know if by design but they never went downfield with any passes.
I had stopped at Taco Smell on the way up and hammered a double beefy burrito. My apologies to Onterrio for breaking off gas in the 2nd quarter and knocking him off his feet on that counter play.
Emory Blake is bad ass. Sammie Coates can't catch.
I hate the way they do these Spring games. What's the point? We got up and left in the 4th when 3-4 minutes ran off the clock without a play being run. No one was even on the field.
Either way, it was a beautiful day on teh Planes and that girl n the leopard print panties was damn hot.
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I've learned after so many years of A-Day games not to let it affect my expectations too much one way or another. In his last 2 Spring games, Neil Caudle looked like Tom Brady and I thought he was duh man. However, there is one thing noticably different with this team.....they TACKLE. They break down and wrap you up. There were no bodies flying like missles at anyone's feet and no shoulder blocks trying to make the huge hit. That, more than anything else, gave me wood....well except the girl in front of us with the see-through white skirt that had leopard print panties on. Now, that was hot.
A few general observations:
The DE's are damn fast. Either that or our tackles suck balls. I'm hoping it's the DE's.
The biggest ovation of the day was when Neiko accepted his award and LEFT the field.
As was said earlier, the passing game looks to be much safer with tons of short to medium range throws. Don't know if by design but they never went downfield with any passes.
I had stopped at Taco Smell on the way up and hammered a double beefy burrito. My apologies to Onterrio for breaking off gas in the 2nd quarter and knocking him off his feet on that counter play.
Emory Blake is bad ass. Sammie Coates can't catch.
I hate the way they do these Spring games. What's the point? We got up and left in the 4th when 3-4 minutes ran off the clock without a play being run. No one was even on the field.
Either way, it was a beautiful day on teh Planes and that girl n the leopard print panties was damn hot.
What you left early during the spring game...you need to read the creed.
and quit cutting in front of kids for autographs.
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Creed hell...I want to hear more about the leopard print panties.
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Creed hell...I want to hear more about the leopard print panties.
I don't know about that. Its probably some 14 year old he was drooling over.
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I don't know about that. Its probably some 14 year old he was drooling over.
And your point is? She's the only reason we stayed as long as we did. :jaw: :tongue:
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And your point is? She's the only reason we stayed as long as we did. :jaw: :tongue:
Well then.....where are the pics?
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Well then.....where are the pics?
His BIL had the camera.
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His BIL had the camera.
Ouch. I figured he was just being selfish. Surely his BIL needed a bathroom break at some point.
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A couple of other things me and my BIL noticed. Christian Westerman is now listed at 298. That's up over 20 pounds in less than a year. Either he's dedicated to the Yoxercise or he discovered Dave's Pizza/Doughnut/Beer Emporium.
Darren Bates is 211. Still not huge but better size for a LB.
Brandon Mosely got the Best Blocker award for 2011. Just how bad were we? I guess you had to give it to someone.
We'd better hope Parkey stays healthy (He didn't kick off due to some strain/sprain/tweak/kicker type injury) because the back up kicker is some dude named Alex Kviklyxkys...inator. The guy can't kick it past the 30.
Clay Finkelstein was a beast. Came out of nowhere. Easily the surprise of the Spring game. He and Daniel Pond were a two man wrecking crew. When they decided to fuck shit up....shit got fucked up. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Clay Finkelstein was a beast. Came out of nowhere. Easily the surprise of the Spring game. He and Daniel Pond were a two man wrecking crew. When they decided to fuck shit up....shit got fucked up. That's all I'm sayin'.
mazel tov!
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We'd better hope Parkey stays healthy (He didn't kick off due to some strain/sprain/tweak/kicker type injury) because the back up kicker is some dude named Alex Kviklyxkys...inator. The guy can't kick it past the 30.
You have forgotten the new rule that goes into affect this Fall. All touchbacks come out to the 25. Chickenshit rule change if you ask me.
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You have forgotten the new rule that goes into affect this Fall. All touchbacks come out to the 25. Chickenshit rule change if you ask me.
Agreed. Forgot about that rule but still...this guy can't even kick it to the 25.
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You have forgotten the new rule that goes into affect this Fall. All touchbacks come out to the 25. Chickenshit rule change if you ask me.
Getting tired of them playing with this stuff. They did it in the NFL to promote scoring, and now have done a 180 to promote player safety and reduce the number of returns. Can't recall why they said they did this this year, but it could be viewed as a different way of promoting player safety by encouraging more touchbacks. If I'm a coach, I tell my KOR guy, you better damn well get it out to the 25 or better if you bring it out of the endzone. I've always thought that players stats on KOR should reflect a negative return yardage if they brought the ball out of the endzone, and failed to get it to the 20. Bring it out of the EZ to the 15 "negative 5 yard return".
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The only time other than Saturday that I've seen Sammie Coates, he was leaving practice on a cart with his ankle on ice. I really only know what people on here have said and/or predicted about him. That being said, the kid is in fact big, physical and fast from what I saw Saturday. But he had the dropsies pretty bad. I recall at least 3 drops and it could have been more. The positives are that he did get open and they continued to look his way. He had 2 catches for 29 yards. Had his head not been up his ass and he caught 3-4 more passes...which did hit him in his mitts...would we be stoked about the WR position and the possibilities?
My thinking is, it could have been nerves..just a bad day. If that's the case, we may have a real nice compliment to Blake. I'd trust Trooper to correct that shit. I haven't been on the Super-Sammie bandwagon one way or another. But I did see a damn good looking athlete getting open a lot. He just needs to get over the Clifford Franklin syndrome.
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The football's like a one-man cold to Clifford Franklin. Clifford Franklin's the only man catchin' it, Clifford Franklin's the only man comin' down wid it.
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I hope one was Clint Moseley committing to holding a clipboard.
Where the hell is the "like" button?
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Anybody that missed it, didn't DVR it, didn't Tivo it, or set their VCRs (a little old fuck old school talk for me, K, and Snags) or just cares to see it again, it re-airs tonight at 8 on CSS.
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Anybody that missed it, didn't DVR it, didn't Tivo it, or set their VCRs (a little old fuck old school talk for me, K, and Snags) or just cares to see it again, it re-airs tonight at 8 on CSS.
Your avatar is sufficient evidence of KF's throwing issues. Look where his arm is. His elbow is too low and the point of release too far past his head for him to throw well. That's the physical positioning of somebody who is trying to "place" the ball rather than throw it.
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Your avatar is sufficient evidence of KF's throwing issues. Look where his arm is. His elbow is too low and the point of release too far past his head for him to throw well. That's the physical positioning of somebody who is trying to "place" the ball rather than throw it.
Could have been a pump fake.
Could have been a pass to the flat or wheel route, something short.
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Could have been a pump fake.
Could have been a pass to the flat or wheel route, something short.
Other than the fact that every throw I've seen him make features these same awkward, shitty mechanics I'd agree with you.
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The only time other than Saturday that I've seen Sammie Coates, he was leaving practice on a cart with his ankle on ice. I really only know what people on here have said and/or predicted about him. That being said, the kid is in fact big, physical and fast from what I saw Saturday. But he had the dropsies pretty bad. I recall at least 3 drops and it could have been more. The positives are that he did get open and they continued to look his way. He had 2 catches for 29 yards. Had his head not been up his ass and he caught 3-4 more passes...which did hit him in his mitts...would we be stoked about the WR position and the possibilities?
My thinking is, it could have been nerves..just a bad day. If that's the case, we may have a real nice compliment to Blake. I'd trust Trooper to correct that shitake. I haven't been on the Super-Sammie bandwagon one way or another. But I did see a damn good looking athlete getting open a lot. He just needs to get over the Clifford Franklin syndrome.
I think the problem is that his high school QB was Moseley so he is unaccustomed to the ball actually coming towards him that fast.
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Your avatar is sufficient evidence of KF's throwing issues. Look where his arm is. His elbow is too low and the point of release too far past his head for him to throw well. That's the physical positioning of somebody who is trying to "place" the ball rather than throw it.
I'm no QB coach, and not an expert in QB mechanics. I can generally recognize really good or really bad/awkward QB mechanics, but the finer details are not my thing. One still pic isn't enough to diagnose him as completely fucked up mechanics wise. Frazier's only incompletion the other day was a drop by Coats. I heard Stan commenting after the first pass, that Frazier has a habit of not getting his shoulders turned to point at his target, and you can see that in the video below when they move to throwing the ball at the 1:20 mark. You can see Loeffler coaching him on just that, AND when the other 2 take their reps, look how much more shoulder turn they get the first time. Other than that, his throwing motion looks ok to me. I have seen him at times try to "place" the ball, which IME it more a problem with confidence, than mechanics. I think that can be coached out with reps, and gaining confidence. It's simply a matter of muscle memory...reps done the right way. I've seen QBs with worse mechanics be successful. He hit a nice throw on a post route, and that fade-stop to Blake was on the money as well. He may not be completely polished, but what I see so far puts him way ahead of Moseley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-PagjcMHXc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-PagjcMHXc#ws)
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Tebow and Vince Young were also said by critics to have a tendency to "push" the ball from an angle instead of the traditional motion. Just saying - if he can make it work successfully, I don't care how he throws. I'm sure our OC has looked at every aspect of these guys and if he thinks it a serious issue he will address.
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I know shit about mechanics.
I watched the game last night focusing on Frazier. To me he seemed leaps and bounds ahead of last year. He made some solid throws, while scrambling in the pocket and keeping his head down field.
I didn't see what Kaos saw that made me think he had little arm strength (can he flick it with a wrist as far as Cam did...No... but he is also not Cam) He also had some good scrambles out of the pocket which if they weren't playing two hand touch would have been long gains. He also had a blindside sack that would have been a turnover, and he would have been leveled.
Bottom line is this, for the little we saw of him in a spring game that means nothing, with an offense that shows nothing, he looked improved to me. Does that mean I am optimistic for this year? Shit no!! We have a long way to go, but I did like what I saw. Frankly, If he has the worst throwing motion this side of Tebow but gets the ball to his target and scores points that is all I really care about.
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Last year at the scrimmage the week before the season, Frazier got virtually all the snaps. After a while, we all looked at each other and said there's a reason he's not going to start. He literally couldn't throw it straight to a man 7 yards away. Most of his completed passes were on nice catches where the receiver had to make a big adjustment.
Like many, I don't know squat about QB mechanics either. I just know that was a different player Saturday. Will he tear it up this year? Have no clue, but he's definitely better than he was in the Fall.
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I agree with GF and Snaggs. He looked 110% better than he did last season. Another thing I saw was that Pike...once he gets some extended reps with the starting receivers...will be a great one.
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I agree with GF and Snaggs. He looked 110% better than he did last season. Another thing I saw was that Pike...once he gets some extended reps with the starting receivers...will be a great one.
I know you enjoyed the Blakely long-run handoff from Pike.
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One thing that will help the QBs is the short/quick passing game, and the bootleg/rollouts. From what I saw the other day, they have some work to do on the dropback game, and much of that centers around protection.
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I agree with GF and Snaggs. He looked 110% better than he did last season.
Notice the reps the top 3 guys get, then notice where the other 2 QBs are? Well that was Frazier's lot last year. The battle was between Trotter and Moseley, and Frazier was only given his small number of run plays. Amazing how much a kid can improve once he's getting the quality reps in practice and had some experience with the speed of the game at this level.
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Notice the reps the top 3 guys get, then notice where the other 2 QBs are? Well that was Frazier's lot last year. The battle was between Trotter and Moseley, and Frazier was only given his small number of run plays. Amazing how much a kid can improve once he's getting the quality reps in practice and had some experience with the speed of the game at this level.
and a better teacher
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and a better teacher
Uh, yeah. Teh last guy was teh suxxors!
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Uh, yeah. Teh last guy was teh suxxors!
All Cam
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I know you enjoyed the Blakely long-run handoff from Pike.
It was a thing of beauty. Not too much thumb.
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All Cam
That's what I've heard.
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For what it's worth, which very well may be absolutely nothing, Kaos reported very unfavorably on Cam's A-Day two years ago.
Just sayin.
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For what it's worth, which very well may be absolutely nothing, Kaos reported very unfavorably on Cam's A-Day two years ago.
Just sayin.
All hat, no cattle.
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For what it's worth, which very well may be absolutely nothing, Kaos reported very unfavorably on Cam's A-Day two years ago.
Just sayin.
He was getting shitty coaching. When he quit listening to Malzahn, and just ran the offense his way, things went much better.
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For what it's worth, which very well may be absolutely nothing, Kaos reported very unfavorably on Cam's A-Day two years ago.
Just sayin.
And on Chizik...period.
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For what it's worth, which very well may be absolutely nothing, Kaos reported very unfavorably on Cam's A-Day two years ago.
Just sayin.
For what it's worth I did not.
I said I didn't see enough to have any idea.
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And on Chizik...period.
I still got my eyes on that train. He's had to overcome a lot and has squeezed some pretty good effort out a few games.
The defensive problems concern me (all Roof? Why the FLACK did it take three years to fix that then?). Getting absolutely skull fucked by your biggest competitors -- Arky, UA, UGA and LSU -- two out of three is a concern. Not to be greedy but I don't too much give a shit about beating Utah State, Samford, Montevallo or Ole Miss. Yeah, I want to win those, but an eight win season and 0-4 against Hogs, Dogs, Turds and Bengals? I got a mouth full of meh.
Not saying Cam was a one-man team, but I do want to see this team to grow to the point that it has weapons out the ass and I would prefer that it be built defense first. Cause it they can't score you don't have to do too damn much.
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I'm no QB coach, and not an expert in QB mechanics. I can generally recognize really good or really bad/awkward QB mechanics, but the finer details are not my thing. One still pic isn't enough to diagnose him as completely fucked up mechanics wise. Frazier's only incompletion the other day was a drop by Coats. I heard Stan commenting after the first pass, that Frazier has a habit of not getting his shoulders turned to point at his target, and you can see that in the video below when they move to throwing the ball at the 1:20 mark. You can see Loeffler coaching him on just that, AND when the other 2 take their reps, look how much more shoulder turn they get the first time. Other than that, his throwing motion looks ok to me. I have seen him at times try to "place" the ball, which IME it more a problem with confidence, than mechanics. I think that can be coached out with reps, and gaining confidence. It's simply a matter of muscle memory...reps done the right way. I've seen QBs with worse mechanics be successful. He hit a nice throw on a post route, and that fade-stop to Blake was on the money as well. He may not be completely polished, but what I see so far puts him way ahead of Moseley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-PagjcMHXc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-PagjcMHXc#ws)
I like what they're trying to do.
Go to the 3:21 mark. Do frame by frame. Get to about 3:24. Watch the motion. He loads up by dropping his lower body and then brings his entire upper body around. His left shoulder falls away and back eventually pointing at the ground. His right foot pivots up off the ground and helps propel his right side forward. By the end of the throw his right side is high, his left has dipped away toward the ground and he's almost stumble stepping forward.
Been a long time since I analyzed QB mechanics from anywhere but my office while I pretended to work, but that's -- at least to me -- classic shot put motion. It's not "cock and release" with wrist and follow through it's more "heave and follow" using a lot of the shoulder.
If he were unleashing a 50-yard bomb I could see maybe having to summon that kind of bring the nuts heave, but he's hitting a guy 10-15 yards laterally. Should be able to do that without flinging his body toward the target. I don't want to see him do a shitty Moseley "angel wing" skip where he opens his entire body up like he's leaping off a cliff and then lobs the ball while falling backward, but that's a lot of oomph for a little throw.
FWIW (clearly nothing) I also thought Pike's fluidity made Clint look like the tinman from Oz. His footwork and comfort in his own skin was 10x better than Clint (in that video).
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I still got my eyes on that train. He's had to overcome a lot and has squeezed some pretty good effort out a few games.
The defensive problems concern me (all Roof? Why the FLACK did it take three years to fix that then?). Getting absolutely skull fucked by your biggest competitors -- Arky, UA, UGA and LSU -- two out of three is a concern. Not to be greedy but I don't too much give a shit about beating Utah State, Samford, Montevallo or Ole Miss. Yeah, I want to win those, but an eight win season and 0-4 against Hogs, Dogs, Turds and Bengals? I got a mouth full of meh.
Not saying Cam was a one-man team, but I do want to see this team to grow to the point that it has weapons out the ass and I would prefer that it be built defense first. Cause it they can't score you don't have to do too damn much.
Not sure where I am pulling this from but....I could have sworn I read something about the initial coaches that Chizik brought in agreeing to a 3 yr min contract at Auburn.
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All hat, no cattle.
Yes, but his helmet was always lined up perfectly with the others during practice.
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I like what they're trying to do.
Go to the 3:21 mark. Do frame by frame. Get to about 3:24. Watch the motion. He loads up by dropping his lower body and then brings his entire upper body around. His left shoulder falls away and back eventually pointing at the ground. His right foot pivots up off the ground and helps propel his right side forward. By the end of the throw his right side is high, his left has dipped away toward the ground and he's almost stumble stepping forward.
Been a long time since I analyzed QB mechanics from anywhere but my office while I pretended to work, but that's -- at least to me -- classic shot put motion. It's not "cock and release" with wrist and follow through it's more "heave and follow" using a lot of the shoulder.
If he were unleashing a 50-yard bomb I could see maybe having to summon that kind of bring the nuts heave, but he's hitting a guy 10-15 yards laterally. Should be able to do that without flinging his body toward the target. I don't want to see him do a shitty Moseley "angel wing" skip where he opens his entire body up like he's leaping off a cliff and then lobs the ball while falling backward, but that's a lot of oomph for a little throw.
FWIW (clearly nothing) I also thought Pike's fluidity made Clint look like the tinman from Oz. His footwork and comfort in his own skin was 10x better than Clint (in that video).
I watched it, and didn't really see what you were describing. As I said though, the details of QB throwing mechanics are not my thing, but I didn't see what you seem to describe as him physically struggling to launch an short pass.
I agree on Pike. To be so young, and so reportedly "unpolished", Pike looks pretty good to me.
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I still got my eyes on that train. He's had to overcome a lot and has squeezed some pretty good effort out a few games.
The defensive problems concern me (all Roof? Why the FLACK did it take three years to fix that then?). Getting absolutely skull fucked by your biggest competitors -- Arky, UA, UGA and LSU -- two out of three is a concern. Not to be greedy but I don't too much give a shit about beating Utah State, Samford, Montevallo or Ole Miss. Yeah, I want to win those, but an eight win season and 0-4 against Hogs, Dogs, Turds and Bengals? I got a mouth full of meh.
Not saying Cam was a one-man team, but I do want to see this team to grow to the point that it has weapons out the ass and I would prefer that it be built defense first. Cause it they can't score you don't have to do too damn much.
It didn't ”take three years to fix it”...it took one year (the 2011 season). The 2009 season Auburn didn't ”get skull fucked” by 2 of Auburn's 4 biggest competitors (they showed a lot of fight in the two games that they got beat bad). The 2010 season Auburn went undefeated. The 2011 season Auburn's Defense looked like shit and the DC was fired (allowed to look elsewhere)...don't forget that was the season after Auburn lost 9+ starters on Defense (not including Safety Mike McNurra).
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Go to the 3:21 mark. Do frame by frame. Get to about 3:24. Watch the motion. He loads up by dropping his lower body and then brings his entire upper body around. His left shoulder falls away and back eventually pointing at the ground. His right foot pivots up off the ground and helps propel his right side forward. By the end of the throw his right side is high, his left has dipped away toward the ground and he's almost stumble stepping forward.
Been a long time since I analyzed QB mechanics from anywhere but my office while I pretended to work, but that's -- at least to me -- classic shot put motion. It's not "cock and release" with wrist and follow through it's more "heave and follow" using a lot of the shoulder.
If he were unleashing a 50-yard bomb I could see maybe having to summon that kind of bring the nuts heave, but he's hitting a guy 10-15 yards laterally. Should be able to do that without flinging his body toward the target. I don't want to see him do a shitty Moseley "angel wing" skip where he opens his entire body up like he's leaping off a cliff and then lobs the ball while falling backward, but that's a lot of oomph for a little throw.
I typically agree with you on things...but I am going to call bullshit on most of this little part right here...
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I watched it, and didn't really see what you were describing. As I said though, the details of QB throwing mechanics are not my thing, but I didn't see what you seem to describe as him physically struggling to launch an short pass.
I agree on Pike. To be so young, and so reportedly "unpolished", Pike looks pretty good to me.
I don't know how to do frame by frame stills so I can't post them.
Didn't really mean to imply necessarily that he was struggling to throw the ball. Just that his mechanical progressions make it look like he's heaving it rather than throwing. When I look at the throws around the 4:00 mark to the other side it doesn't seem quite as bad. I'm still struggling to figure out his release though. Something's odd/weird/funny about it either in release point or follow through.
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The defensive problems concern me (all Roof? Why the FLACK did it take three years to fix that then?).
Year one is a bye for Roof (not your own recruits, guys learning your system, yada yada, etc, etc).\
Year two, we won the NC and the D came up huge in the championship game (well, Fairley and the rest of the D-Line came up huge) buys him another season.
Year three, sucked ass and he was gone. I wouldn't find that timeline unreasonable.
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Year one is a bye for Roof (not your own recruits, guys learning your system, yada yada, etc, etc).\
Year two, we won the NC and the D came up huge in the championship game (well, Fairley and the rest of the D-Line came up huge) buys him another season.
Year three, sucked ass and he was gone. I wouldn't find that timeline unreasonable.
We've changed coordinators many times before. Never had one field the worst defense in the entire history of Auburn football for three straight years. Struggle a bit? Yeah. Sure. Worst defense ever? Hard to justify.
I understand the need to give Chizik some latitude on it. But I also understand that everyone here knew even in 2010 that what we were doing on defense wasn't working. That on the days we couldn't outgun somebody we were likely screwed big time.
I also understand the timing. You can't toss Roof out on his ass after shutting down Alabama in the second half and then completely stuffing the really fast elementary school kids from Oregon.
But surely something could have done to prevent... ah, nevermind. Made the best of a difficult situation timing wise. I will say that had Roof been reassigned after 2010 nobody would have made a sound. We knew.
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Year one is a bye for Roof (not your own recruits, guys learning your system, yada yada, etc, etc).\
Year two, we won the NC and the D came up huge in the championship game (well, Fairley and the rest of the D-Line came up huge) buys him another season.
Year three, sucked ass and he was gone. I wouldn't find that timeline unreasonable.
In most circumstances I'd agree, but Roof inherited a Defense that, despite a pitiful offense, had been a top 15 D the year prior. They were not talentless. He took them from good to suckage immediately, despite the fact the offense went from worst to top 15. The defense was the reason we didn't win 10 in 2009.
2010, the DL was probably the difference in an 11 win season, and the NC.
Year 3 was the same suck ass defense with a no talent/young offense.
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In most circumstances I'd agree, but Roof inherited a Defense that, despite a pitiful offense, had been a top 15 D the year prior. They were not talentless. He took them from good to suckage immediately, despite the fact the offense went from worst to top 15. The defense was the reason we didn't win 10 in 2009.
2010, the DL was probably the difference in an 11 win season, and the NC.
Year 3 was the same suck ass defense with a no talent/young offense.
At the same time Malzahn took an offense that couldn't score if you gave it $1000 and the name of Lindsay Lohan's meth dealer and started immediately churning out yards and points with the same dead-armed, concrete footed walrus we all wanted to run out of town with pitchforks and torches the year before. I remember the collective groans when Todd was named starter. Mine was among them.
Would Roof have gotten three years if we didn't simultaneously have some of the most prolific offenses in AU history?
Other than Alabama in 2009 (and their offense is stagnant) which game did the defense keep Auburn in? I looked and didn't see one. On the nights the offense struggled (LSU, Kentucky, Arkansas) we lost.
Other than Oregon and half of Alabama in 2010, which game did the defense keep us in?
Any game in 2011?
Just asking.
I understand how it happened, but what if we'd give the same three year pass to the offense? World of shit McFly. World of shit.
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At the same time Malzahn took an offense that couldn't score if you gave it $1000 and the name of Lindsay Lohan's meth dealer and started immediately churning out yards and points with the same dead-armed, concrete footed walrus we all wanted to run out of town with pitchforks and torches the year before. I remember the collective groans when Todd was named starter. Mine was among them.
Would Roof have gotten three years if we didn't simultaneously have some of the most prolific offenses in AU history?
Other than Alabama in 2009 (and their offense is stagnant) which game did the defense keep Auburn in? I looked and didn't see one. On the nights the offense struggled (LSU, Kentucky, Arkansas) we lost.
Other than Oregon and half of Alabama in 2010, which game did the defense keep us in?
Any game in 2011?
Just asking.
I understand how it happened, but what if we'd give the same three year pass to the offense? World of shit McFly. World of shit.
Roof wouldn't have gotten past 2010 had it been like 2009. It is my belief that Roof was hired to placate Malzahn. Malzahn's philosophy is that you can't worry about defensive stats if you run his offense the way he wants. This is contrary to Chizik's way of thinking, but he was willing to tolerate it for the short term recruiting boost Malzahn brought. Roof was done whenever Malzahn was done at Auburn, regardless of the circumstances. When Chiz realized how shittastic our situation was on offense last year, he handcuffed Malzahn, which mean he Malzahn was gone because he wasn't going to tolerate that. That, and how bad we were on D sealed his fate.
The defense as a whole was suckage in 2010, but the D Line was solid vs the run, and that made it viable as long as the offense showed up. Under an overall different team philosophy (like the one we seem to be moving to), and with someone with some aggression running it, that defense would have been a championship level defense even with an average offense.
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I still got my eyes on that train. He's had to overcome a lot and has squeezed some pretty good effort out a few games.
The defensive problems concern me (all Roof? Why the FLACK did it take three years to fix that then?). Getting absolutely skull fucked by your biggest competitors -- Arky, UA, UGA and LSU -- two out of three is a concern. Not to be greedy but I don't too much give a shit about beating Utah State, Samford, Montevallo or Ole Miss. Yeah, I want to win those, but an eight win season and 0-4 against Hogs, Dogs, Turds and Bengals? I got a mouth full of meh.
Not saying Cam was a one-man team, but I do want to see this team to grow to the point that it has weapons out the ass and I would prefer that it be built defense first. Cause it they can't score you don't have to do too damn much.
Just yanking your chain.
And FWIW, I don't even want to imagine how badly Tubs would be getting anus drilled by the likes of those 4 today/this season. I like how Chizik changed the culture more than anything. Also the recruiting.
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Just yanking your chain.
And FWIW, I don't even want to imagine how badly Tubs would be getting anus drilled by the likes of those 4 today/this season. I like how Chizik changed the culture more than anything. Also the recruiting.
And that's why I'm ok for now.
As far back as the 2009 WVU game I said he'd made things fun again. The last couple of years under Tuberville felt almost like drudgery. Part of that was Jacobs. Never on the same page. Part of that was Tuberville. A little hurt/bitter and circling his loyal wagons.
We were divided. Not so much any more.
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And that's why I'm ok for now.
As far back as the 2009 WVU game I said he'd made things fun again. The last couple of years under Tuberville felt almost like drudgery. Part of that was Jacobs. Never on the same page. Part of that was Tuberville. A little hurt/bitter and circling his loyal wagons.
We were divided. Not so much any more.
I felt like Tubs had more of a Wade Phillips "Aww shucks, oh well - we shall live another day tomorrow" type personality to him. Losses didn't seem to bother him, AND that bothered fans.
Chizik walks around like he is the fucking man because he is. I like the swagger. More like a Dye type. Saban isn't going to intimidate him. He is going to go after the best recruits nationally, and he is going to produce quality men whether they play pro football or not after Auburn. If you aren't quality? Buh bye. He has kicked a ton of folks off the team and I like it. You can't let a culture of thuggery exist in the lockeroom. It is what has singlehandedly held UGA back the last 10 years. Richt, by letting "talented thugs" remain in his lockerroom, is committing subtraction in the long run letting those types linger around. Their team has never had total chemistry, much of that due to the "I" type players he keeps around.
When I take all of that into consideration (along with Saban being a dick and ALL business, Miles being a buffoon, Petrino's shenanigans, Mullen being a dickhead), then YES - I am very happy with the guy we have at the helm. He treads the line perfectly between being a good coach, a mentor to young men, winning ball games and having fun. I can't really point to any other coach in the SEC who does the balancing act as well.
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I felt like Tubs had more of a Wade Phillips "Aww shucks, oh well - we shall live another day tomorrow" type personality to him. Losses didn't seem to bother him, AND that bothered fans.
Chizik walks around like he is the fucking man because he is. I like the swagger. More like a Dye type. Saban isn't going to intimidate him. He is going to go after the best recruits nationally, and he is going to produce quality men whether they play pro football or not after Auburn. If you aren't quality? Buh bye. He has kicked a ton of folks off the team and I like it. You can't let a culture of thuggery exist in the lockeroom. It is what has singlehandedly held UGA back the last 10 years. Richt, by letting "talented thugs" remain in his lockerroom, is committing subtraction in the long run letting those types linger around. Their team has never had total chemistry, much of that due to the "I" type players he keeps around.
When I take all of that into consideration (along with Saban being a dick and ALL business, Miles being a buffoon, Petrino's shenanigans, Mullen being a dickhead), then YES - I am very happy with the guy we have at the helm. He treads the line perfectly between being a good coach, a mentor to young men, winning ball games and having fun. I can't really point to any other coach in the SEC who does the balancing act as well.
Yep
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I felt like Tubs had more of a Wade Phillips "Aww shucks, oh well - we shall live another day tomorrow" type personality to him. Losses didn't seem to bother him, AND that bothered fans.
Chizik walks around like he is the fucking man because he is. I like the swagger. More like a Dye type. Saban isn't going to intimidate him. He is going to go after the best recruits nationally, and he is going to produce quality men whether they play pro football or not after Auburn. If you aren't quality? Buh bye. He has kicked a ton of folks off the team and I like it. You can't let a culture of thuggery exist in the lockeroom. It is what has singlehandedly held UGA back the last 10 years. Richt, by letting "talented thugs" remain in his lockerroom, is committing subtraction in the long run letting those types linger around. Their team has never had total chemistry, much of that due to the "I" type players he keeps around.
When I take all of that into consideration (along with Saban being a dick and ALL business, Miles being a buffoon, Petrino's shenanigans, Mullen being a dickhead), then YES - I am very happy with the guy we have at the helm. He treads the line perfectly between being a good coach, a mentor to young men, winning ball games and having fun. I can't really point to any other coach in the SEC who does the balancing act as well.
Agree...plus he is taller than saban