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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: JR4AU on March 28, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
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Of the 5 QBs, the main 3 always work in the middle of the drills, and Frazier is in the center, and again taking snaps from Dismukes.
Adding a bit to the offense each day.
Blakely seems to have trouble fielding KOs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nIBjPDZnE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nIBjPDZnE#ws)
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Anybody thinking Auburn may still have to recruit a QB to fit the new direction? It's too early to call these all bad and I'm not doing that. Just thinking out loud a bit.
We know what Frazier ran in high school. What did Moseley and Pike come from system-wise?
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Anybody thinking Auburn may still have to recruit a QB to fit the new direction? It's too early to call these all bad and I'm not doing that. Just thinking out loud a bit.
We know what Frazier ran in high school. What did Moseley and Pike come from system-wise?
They all ran some type of shotgun spread in HS.
I think we've seen enough of Mosley to call him bad. Could Loeffler develop his talent? I'm thinking there'd have to be some talent to develop. There's a difference in developing talent, and creating it. God creates it, coaches develop it, and I think Mosley missed out on step one. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Frazier and Pike are unknowns.
Right now, my money is on Frazier.
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Frazier and Pike are unknowns.
Right now, my money is on Frazier.
I would say that's a good bet. I would go further and say if Moseley is our starting QB come August. We be fucked!
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I would say that's a good bet. I would go further and say if Moseley is our starting QB come August. We be fucked!
Be honest. Did you ever think the same thing about Brandon Cox?
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Be honest. Did you ever think the same thing about Brandon Cox?
Only the first year. Brandon was a good QB though, I really never thought he wasn't.
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Only the first year. Brandon was a good QB though, I really never thought he wasn't.
I admit the GA Tech game had me worried but he grew into it. The offense also wasn't geared around him; it was on that OLine (a chunk of which still plays on Sundays) and the cavalcade of RBs from that era. Hope this is a move back towards that style personally.
And for the record, I'd take Brandon Cox over all of what's on that video.
Where is he nowadays?
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I admit the GA Tech game had me worried but he grew into it. The offense also wasn't geared around him; it was on that OLine (a chunk of which still plays on Sundays) and the cavalcade of RBs from that era. Hope this is a move back towards that style personally.
And for the record, I'd take Brandon Cox over all of what's on that video.
Where is he nowadays?
Dude was 29-9 as a starter, I would take him over most of Auburn's quarterback history.
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And for the record, I'd take Brandon Cox over all of what's on that video.
In defense, do remember it is day 4 under a new system and regime.
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I would say that's a good bet. I would go further and say if Moseley is our starting QB come August. We be fucked!
If our OL plays like they did last year, we could have Jesus & Fergie, or Cam, at QB...it wouldn't matter, the results would be the same.
As long as AJ Greene doesn't suit back up and Chad Slade keeps his fat ass at a Tackle position, we will be fine....even if Moseley beats out Frazier & Pike.
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In defense, do remember it is day 4 under a new system and regime.
True.
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I would say that's a good bet. I would go further and say if Moseley is our starting QB come August. We be fucked!
I think I've said the same thing 100 times.
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I think I've said the same thing 100 times.
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If our OL plays like they did last year, we could have Jesus & Fergie, or Cam, at QB...it wouldn't matter, the results would be the same.
As long as AJ Greene doesn't suit back up and Chad Slade keeps his fat ass at a Tackle position, we will be fine....even if Moseley beats out Frazier & Pike.
Can they get worse?
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I think I've said the same thing 100 times.
Did you say something?
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And for the record, I'd take Brandon Cox over all of what's on that video.
You're seeing drills being run at half speed, and warm up throws. I'm basing NOTHING on any of that, and only the fact that Frazier is working with the starting Center, and he is in the center of all 3 of the guys in the battle in all the drills. And I admit that could be meaningless, but I don't think it is.
Here's more of my opinion. Coaches almost always go with experience if they can. That's the only thing that makes Mosley a factor. Frazier, while he wasn't allowed to throw last year, got some real game speed playing time, and I'm banking he's that much more physically talented than Mosley, and the experience will be good enough.
Here's a caveat to all that. This new system is going to be much more like what we've seen out of bammer and LSU, and I feel they will not ask much of the QB beyond taking care of the ball, and an average QB could be ok, a la McGinger and AJ McBrodie. So, that sort of works in Mosler's favor.
I'm still betting on Frazier, but honestly don't care as long as whoever it is gets the job done.
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Only the first year. Brandon was a good QB though, I really never thought he wasn't.
I concur. Cox was a gamer and was never short on effort. I loathe the fans who were screaming from the stands for the death of his first born.
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I concur. Cox was a gamer and was never short on effort. I loathe the fans who were screaming from the stands for the death of his first born.
Agree! I'd be content, no, happy, if I knew we had a QB the likes of Brandon out there right now.
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You're seeing drills being run at half speed, and warm up throws. I'm basing NOTHING on any of that, and only the fact that Frazier is working with the starting Center, and he is in the center of all 3 of the guys in the battle in all the drills. And I admit that could be meaningless, but I don't think it is.
Here's more of my opinion. Coaches almost always go with experience if they can. That's the only thing that makes Mosley a factor. Frazier, while he wasn't allowed to throw last year, got some real game speed playing time, and I'm banking he's that much more physically talented than Mosley, and the experience will be good enough.
Here's a caveat to all that. This new system is going to be much more like what we've seen out of bammer and LSU, and I feel they will not ask much of the QB beyond taking care of the ball, and an average QB could be ok, a la McGinger and AJ McBrodie. So, that sort of works in Mosler's favor.
I'm still betting on Frazier, but honestly don't care as long as whoever it is gets the job done.
Who are you again?
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Agree! I'd be content, no, happy, if I knew we had a QB the likes of Brandon out there right now.
He also played with this disease (something that would have a lot of people confined to a bed for hours):
Myasthenia gravis is an autoimmune neuromuscular disease leading to fluctuating muscle weakness and fatiguability. It is an autoimmune disorder.
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Prowler hit it on the button. Our OL has to play much better this year and I think Robinson and Westerman will be major improvements to go with Dismukes.
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Prowler hit it on the button. Our OL has to play much better this year and I think Robinson and Westerman will be major improvements to go with Dismukes.
I think wes4au and I have said that over 162 times
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I think wes4au and I have said that over 162 times
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Prowler hit it on the button. Our OL has to play much better this year and I think Robinson and Westerman will be major improvements to go with Dismukes.
PCT, and others I've talked to seem to think E. Mack is the guy at RG. But yeah, they've all had another year to physically mature, and I think they'll be a much better group this season.
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And then I read today coach Grimes giving high praise to Westerman. Either way, it seems there's some battles going on, and that only makes them better.
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And then I read today coach Grimes giving high praise to Westerman. Either way, it seems there's some battles going on, and that only makes them better.
There'll be more battles along the OL when the rest of the OL class gets there.
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There'll be more battles along the OL when the rest of the OL class gets there.
Maybe, but I doubt it.
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Maybe, but I doubt it.
Jordan Diamond will battle for the RT position & Alex Kozan for the LG position.
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Jordan Diamond will battle for the RT position & Alex Kozan for the LG position.
Battle? Ok. However, if we start 2 true Fr. over guys that have been on campus for a season, an off season, and a spring training, then that won't be a good sign.
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Battle? Ok. However, if we start 2 true Fr. over guys that have been on campus for a season, an off season, and a spring training, then that won't be a good sign.
Unless these guys were lightning in a bottle, that was the same thing I was thinking.
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Unless these guys were lightning in a bottle, that was the same thing I was thinking.
OL, more than other positions on the field, require time to get physically ready to play. I've heard numerous times about how some of these big guys, on both sides of the ball have really reshaped their bodies. Only time, and off season workouts gets you that. 18 year old true Fr can play some positions, but usually they're not physically ready to play in the trenches. Contrary to the "they've played 8 games, they're not young anymore" crowd, you can't cram 2 to 3 years of growth, maturity, spring training, and off season workouts in to 2 months of a football season.
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And then I read today coach Grimes giving high praise to Westerman. Either way, it seems there's some battles going on, and that only makes them better.
He has really become one of my favorite coaches on an Auburn staff in recent memory. The guy recruits lights out nationally, said 'NO' to Texas (and their millions) and does well with the talent and experience he is given. Last year was a total rebuilding year on the OL.
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He has really become one of my favorite coaches on an Auburn staff in recent memory. The guy recruits lights out nationally, said 'NO' to Texas (and their millions) and does well with the talent and experience he is given. Last year was a total rebuilding year on the OL.
Grimes is a gem. He is up there with Rocker as my all-time favs.
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Grimes is a gem. He is up there with Rocker as my all-time favs.
He is always one of the most genial on the staff at Tiger Walk. He takes the time to see and high five as many fans as possible with a big smile. Super cool dude.
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Maybe, but I doubt it.
. But when Auburn welcomes in five freshman offensive linemen this summer, Grimes is excited about the future.
"When we get our guys in this fall, we'll have by far the most competition since I've been here," said Grimes. "We're very short right now because we have a couple of guys out, but when fall camp rolls around, it will be a lot better.”
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Coach speak
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Coach speak
Ummm yeah, Coach Grimes isn't going to just say things just to say things...he's going to tell it like it is.
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Ummm yeah, Coach Grimes isn't going to just say things just to say things...he's going to tell it like it is.
Starting 5: Robinson, Sullen, Dismukes, Westerman or Mack, Slade.
Any true Fr. comes in and unseats any of those, then we have serious issues. We saw it last year, they're simply not physically read to play. Will they be allowed to "battle"? Sure, they need to start getting the work, and pushing the starters to get better. The reason they're holding out some of the OL this spring is because that's who the intended starters are and they're being cautious.
Grimes is a coach, and he does speak coach speak.
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Starting 5: Robinson, Sullen, Dismukes, Westerman or Mack, Slade.
Any true Fr. comes in and unseats any of those, then we have serious issues. We saw it last year, they're simply not physically read to play. Will they be allowed to "battle"? Sure, they need to start getting the work, and pushing the starters to get better. The reason they're holding out some of the OL this spring is because that's who the intended starters are and they're being cautious.
Grimes is a coach, and he does speak coach speak.
Got to agree with this 100%.
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Starting 5: Robinson, Sullen, Dismukes, Westerman or Mack, Slade.
Any true Fr. comes in and unseats any of those, then we have serious issues. We saw it last year, they're simply not physically read to play. Will they be allowed to "battle"? Sure, they need to start getting the work, and pushing the starters to get better. The reason they're holding out some of the OL this spring is because that's who the intended starters are and they're being cautious.
Grimes is a coach, and he does speak coach speak.
Yeah, because True Fr. starting on the OL in the SEC means trouble, right? Lmao.
And no, Coach Grimes doesn't say anything unless he means it, like I said before...he's not going to say something just to say it. He's cut from the same cloth as Coach Rocker.
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Yeah, because True Fr. starting on the OL in the SEC means trouble, right? Lmao.
Yeah, as a general rule. Lmao.
And no, Coach Grimes doesn't say anything unless he means it, like I said before...he's not going to say something just to say it. He's cut from the same cloth as Coach Rocker.
I didn't say he said it just to say it. I said it's coach speak. It has a purpose.
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Starting 5: Robinson, Sullen, Dismukes, Westerman or Mack, Slade.
Any true Fr. comes in and unseats any of those, then we have serious issues. We saw it last year, they're simply not physically read to play. Will they be allowed to "battle"? Sure, they need to start getting the work, and pushing the starters to get better. The reason they're holding out some of the OL this spring is because that's who the intended starters are and they're being cautious.
Grimes is a coach, and he does speak coach speak.
Yeah...uhh fuck you.
Signed,
Reese Dismukes
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Yeah...uhh fuck you.
Signed,
Reese Dismukes
Yeah...uhh suck it.
Signed,
Lee Ziemba and Ryan Pugh
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Yeah...uhh suck it.
Signed,
Lee Ziemba and Ryan Pugh
Yeah, well at Auburn, but as a general rule.
Signed,
La’el Collins,
A.J. Cann
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Yeah...uhh suck it.
Signed,
Lee Ziemba and Ryan Pugh
Yeah I agree with those guys,
Signed,
Chaz Ramsa...OOOWWEEE my back!
Fucking trainers. You what - nevermind, I hate Auburn.
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Yeah I agree with those guys,
Signed,
Chaz Ramsa...OOOWWEEE my back!
Fucking trainers. You what - nevermind, I hate Auburn.
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/chaz.gif)
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(http://www.tigersx.com/images/chaz.gif)
And Chaz wept.
Sad thing is, he was a decent OL.
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Yeah...uhh fuck you.
Signed,
Reese Dismukes
Dismukes beat out an undersized walk on for the job. And his play was inconsistent, and best described as adequate. He isn't the exception, he proves the rule. Yeah...uhh suck it.
Signed,
Lee Ziemba and Ryan Pugh
Yeah, they were pretty decent as Fr. Still, with Ben Tate and Brandon Cox in 2007 they failed to produce a 1000 yard rusher, Auburn was 53rd in Rushing offense, and was 51st in Sacks allowed. (Some Sacks are on the QB or RB too), 97th in Total Off., and 84th in Scoring.
In 2009, (I won't even try to use 2010) their Jr. season, Ben Tate rushed for 1363 yards, Auburn was 13th in the nation in rushing offense, 16th in Total Off., 17th in scoring offense, and 45th in sacks allowed.
As a general rule Fr. are not physically ready to play OL, or and DT, but some are forced in to duty by default. If they're good as Fr., which is rare, they're much better as Jr. and Sr. If they suck as Fr. it doesn't mean they won't be good with some time to grown, gain experience, and off season workouts.
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Yeah, as a general rule. Lmao.
I didn't say he said it just to say it. I said it's coach speak. It has a purpose.
I'm guessing you were up in arms and doom & glooming when 3 True Fr. started along AU's OL against Florida in The Swamp & with Reese Dismukes this past season (started at the most important position on the field...the Center).
Also, Coach Grimes isn't going to give veiled statements. He ain't got time for that shit...remember, he's the one that told Texas to fuck off.
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I'm guessing you were up in arms and doom & glooming when 3 True Fr. started along AU's OL against Florida in The Swamp & with Reese Dismukes this past season (started at the most important position on the field...the Center).
The 2007 OL was just the type situation where it was forced on the coaches to make changes. King Dunlap was mailing it in. If I recall correctly, Jason Bosley was injured most of the season (but I may misremember that), Leon Hart was one of the biggest disappointments ever, and the projected starter at RT was Andrew McCain who was a converted TE that had yet to grow in to the position. The entire right side of the line and LT were shit! Their projected back ups were walk ons and nobodies except RFr Byron Isom, and Mike Berry. It's the type of shit storm that gets Fr starting on the OL. As I mentioned already, there are exceptions, and citing them doesn't disprove the rule. They were adequate on a team that went 9-4.
Dismukes started because there was nobody else.
Up in arms? Why?
Also, Coach Grimes isn't going to give veiled statements. He ain't got time for that shit...remember, he's the one that told Texas to fuck off.
You speak as if you have a personal relationship with Coach Grimes, and it's making me *snicker* every time you tell me what Grimes will or won't say, and what cloth he's cut from.
By the way, I'm sort of agreeing with you. The new guys will be given reps, and will be allowed to "battle". It will take some bad shit, injuries, or underperformance (see 2007 for reference) for one of them to win a starting position. Barring injury in camp, I've listed the starting 5 for opening day.
Care to make it a friendly wager that 5 of the 6 I've listed will start vs Clemson?
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The 2007 OL was just the type situation where it was forced on the coaches to make changes. King Dunlap was mailing it in. If I recall correctly, Jason Bosley was injured most of the season (but I may misremember that), Leon Hart was one of the biggest disappointments ever, and the projected starter at RT was Andrew McCain who was a converted TE that had yet to grow in to the position. The entire right side of the line and LT were shit! Their projected back ups were walk ons and nobodies except RFr Byron Isom, and Mike Berry. It's the type of shit storm that gets Fr starting on the OL. As I mentioned already, there are exceptions, and citing them doesn't disprove the rule. They were adequate on a team that went 9-4.
You speak as if you have a personal relationship with Coach Grimes, and it's making me *snicker* every time you tell me what Grimes will or won't say, and what cloth he's cut from.
By the way, I'm sort of agreeing with you. The new guys will be given reps, and will be allowed to "battle". It will take some bad shit, injuries, or underperformance (see 2007 for reference) for one of them to win a starting position. Barring injury in camp, I've listed the starting 5 for opening day.
Care to make it a friendly wager that 5 of the 6 I've listed will start vs Clemson?
Name your price.
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Name your price.
Standard bet. Handle of the winner's choosing. (No special runs, or batches...regular off the shelf at the ABC)
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Standard bet. Handle of the winner's choosing. (No special runs, or batches...regular off the shelf at the ABC)
You got It.
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Standard bet. Handle of the winner's choosing. (No special runs, or batches...regular off the shelf at the ABC)
You got It.
Witness
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Starting 5: Robinson, Sullen, Dismukes, Westerman or Mack, Slade.
Here are his starting 6, for the bet.
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Here are his starting 6, for the bet.
Just to be clear, I'm betting the starting 5 vs Clemson will be from those 6.
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Just to be clear, I'm betting the starting 5 vs Clemson will be from those 6.
I'll back that bet.
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Witness
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The only question that matters for the opener against Climpsum, is who the deep snapper will be. Talk about your battles.
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I'll back that bet.
How? With money, or just moral support?
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How? With money, or just moral support?
I'm glad you asked...cuz I wuz cunfuzed asswell. I just assumed he was buying the booze for whomever won.
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How? With money, or just moral support?
Neither. I believe it will be those that will be the starting 5 OL. But if it makes you feel better, I will allow the winner to take claim to a child in my home. I need to do some spring cleaning.
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I will allow the winner to take claim to a child in my home. I need to some spring cleaning.
"You're Scared? I'm the one who has to walk out of here alone."
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"You're Scared? I'm the one who has to walk out of here alone."
Stealing my jokes?
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"You're Scared? I'm the one who has to walk out of here alone."
There is this lake close by.
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Stealing my jokes?
negative sir. That is a tried and true one from Weskie many years ago.
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negative sir. That is a tried and true one from Weskie many years ago.
And one I've used many times. If they laugh, I feel satisfied. If they call me a sick mofo....I give Weskie all the credit and tell them I was just pointing out how perverted some people can be.
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And one I've used many times. If they laugh, I feel satisfied. If they call me a sick mofo....I give Weskie all the credit and tell them I was just pointing out how perverted some people can be.
Pussy
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negative sir. That is a tried and true one from Weskie many years ago.
Whatever! It's been a staple of mine for about 15 years.
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Pussy
I learned from a friend of mine. I had this joke, which up until the pedophile jokes was the most tasteless thing I'd ever heard....but damn funny. I told it to a buddy and he made the mistake of telling his wife. Dead serious when he said a screen door saved him because she picked up a pan and threw it at him as he ran out the door. He was only able to get back in her good graces by blaming me. She still scowls at me every time I see her.
BTDub...that joke has been told on here but it now pales in comparson with some of the stuff you sick bastards post. And I love it.
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I learned from a friend of mine. I had this joke, which up until the pedophile jokes was the most tasteless thing I'd ever heard....but damn funny. I told it to a buddy and he made the mistake of telling his wife. Dead serious when he said a screen door saved him because she picked up a pan and threw it at him as he ran out the door. He was only able to get back in her good graces by blaming me. She still scowls at me every time I see her.
BTDub...that joke has been told on here but it now pales in comparson with some of the stuff you sick bastards post. And I love it.
FWIW I have long since been the "friend" shit got blamed on. Partly due to the fact that I have no one to answer to and partly to the fact that I was the one who did indeed get them in trouble.
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FWIW I have long since been the "friend" shit got blamed on. Partly due to the fact that I have no one to answer to and partly to the fact that I was the one who did indeed get them in trouble.
Hey, I told no one about those 3 midgets and the bucket truck.
Wait....I mean, you did?
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So, is the bet still on?
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So, is the bet still on?
Looks like you've won by virtue of Dismuke's arrest, if nothing else. But let's wait and see on Sat.
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Looks like you've won by virtue of Dismuke's arrest, if nothing else. But let's wait and see on Sat.
I would've won even if Dismukes would've started...The starting 5 would've been:
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Alex Kozan
RT Chad Slade
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LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Chad Slade
RT Avery Young
Now that Dismukes is possibly suspended for the Clemson game, the OL could look like this....
LT Greg Robinson
LG Alex Kozan
C John Sullen
RG Chad Slade
RT Avery Young
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I would've won even if Dismukes would've started...The starting 5 would've been:
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Alex Kozan
RT Chad Slade
or
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Reese Dismukes
RG Chad Slade
RT Avery Young
Now that Dismukes is possibly suspended for the Clemson game, the OL could look like this....
LT Greg Robinson
LG Alex Kozan
C John Sullen
RG Chad Slade
RT Avery Young
Not so fast, I've seen it at gametime where the starters are quick cameoed while someone else is actually on the field for various reasons ie, equipment problems, kids blowing chunks, boo boos bweedin' (scab picking) etc.
I think Pugh actually moved to tackle for a good while because two were injured in one game.
Kozan and Young have no business on the field by previous statements in this thread.
Slade was originally thought to be a C.
And where is Westerman?
*Got nothing else to do it's still dark outside.
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Not so fast, I've seen it at gametime where the starters are quick cameoed while someone else is actually on the field for various reasons ie, equipment problems, kids blowing chunks, boo boos bweedin' (scab picking) etc.
I think Pugh actually moved to tackle for a good while because two were injured in one game.
Kozan and Young have no business on the field by previous statements in this thread.
Slade was originally thought to be a C.
And where is Westerman?
*Got nothing else to do it's still dark outside.
Kozan and Young have both proved that they belong on the field. Chad Slade was never thought to be a Center, he's a Tackle that had to play Guard last year due to the injury of Jared Cooper. Westerman got passed by Kozan.
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I would've won even if Dismukes would've started...
Maybe, maybe not, we'll know Saturday.
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Maybe, maybe not, we'll know Saturday.
That's right...young Westerman might even seize the center spot and never turn it loose.
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The starting OL is set...
1st String:
LT #73 Greg Robinson (Rs. Fr.) 6'5†311lbs.
LG #71 John Sullen (Sr.) 6'5†313lbs.
C #65 Dr. Tunde Fariyike (So.) 6'2†301lbs.
RG #62 Chad Slade (So.) 6'5†301lbs.
RT #56 Avery Young (Fr.) 6'6†295lbs.
2nd String:
LT #72 Shon Coleman (Rs. Fr.) 6'6†302lbs.
LG #63 Alex Kozan (Fr.) 6'4†295lbs.
C #71 John Sullen (Sr.) 6'5†313lbs.
RG #75 Christian Westerman (Rs. Fr.) 6'4†298lbs.
RT #51 Patrick Miller (Fr.) 6'7†298lbs.
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The starting OL is set...
1st String:
LT Greg Robinson
LG John Sullen
C Tunde Fariyike
RG Chad Slade
RT Avery Young
2nd String:
LT Shon Coleman
LG Alex Kozan
C John Sullen
RG Christian Westerman
RT Patrick Miller
According to?
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According to?
al.com the skreets ...duh.
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touch my link (http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2012/08/auburns_starting_offensive_lin.html)
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al.com the skreets ...duh.
No, it's on rivals, but you have to pay to get it. May be somewhere else too, don't know. And I see it's on al.com too.
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I updated it to include their size and class.
We do have 6 days of drinking and running amok that one of the starting 5 could get themselves into....so, things could change.
Our upperclassmen (all 10-15 of them) need to hold a player's only meeting to get everyone's head screwed on straight.