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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1035061-auburn-football-2012-what-changes-might-take-place-with-new-coordinators (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1035061-auburn-football-2012-what-changes-might-take-place-with-new-coordinators)
Auburn Football 2012: What Changes Might Take Place with New Coordinators?
By Kevin McGrady
Many are wondering exactly what the dual hires of Scot Loeffler and Brian VanGorder at the two coordinator positions might mean for the Auburn Tigers. Going one step furtherm some wonder what the transfer of All-American fullback Jay Prosh might add to the team. A little analysis of these areas might give some insight as to what can be expected for the 2012 season.
Loeffler ran a very multiple offense at Temple. His play calling allowed the Temple Owls to compete on equal footing with much more talented teams. For instance, the Owls played two common opponents with Alabama last season.
Alabama managed 183 yards rushing against Kent State and scored 48 points. Temple managed 202 yards rushing against Kent State and scored 34 points. Temple controlled the ball for 30:42 against Kent State. Alabama controlled the ball for 29:53 against Kent State.
Alabama managed 196 yards rushing against Penn State and controlled the ball 34:05 while scoring 27 points. Temple only managed 74 yards rushing against Penn State and controlled the ball only 28:22 while scoring only 10 points.
Penn State scored 11 points on Alabama and 14 on Temple. This is the most interesting game as it is clear that Penn State had far superior team talent when compared to Temple. The point is that the Temple offense under Loeffler performed as well as any team when talent was equal or when Temple had a sleight advantage. In games where Temple was completely out-manned by superior talent, his offense still did well enough to keep the team in the game with a chance to win.
Loeffler knows how to run both the spread and conventional offenses. At Temple he used a conventional offensive set utilizing a fullback, tight end, tailback and two receivers. He was also part of the Florida staff that led Tim Tebow to a massive Sugar Bowl victory utilizing a spread option offense. He called the majority of plays in that game, according to Urban Meyer, the former Florida head coach and the current head coach at Ohio State.
Loeffler is known to be an excellent developer of quarterbacks. This was his coaching specialty before moving up to offensive coordinator. He has coached about half a dozen current NFL quarterbacks, including Tebow and Tom Brady, among others.
All of this is well and good, but how does it translate into the future plans at Auburn?
When Gene Chizik arrived at Auburn he took over a team that was decimated in numbers on the defensive side of the ball. The depth and talent simply was not there to run a lockdown defense. That has changed over the last three years, and Auburn now boasts one of the deepest and most talented defensive rosters in college football.
Prior to getting these players to Auburn, the best chance was to simply outscore opponents. The previous Auburn offense was particularly good at putting points on the scoreboard, but left the defense on the field the majority of most games. When an attempt was made to play more ball control in 2011 the offense did not perform as well as desired.
Loeffler runs a very unpredictable multiple offense that is particularly good at controlling the football and converting on third down. With the offensive talent available at Auburn it should be very entertaining to watch his system in action. Auburn should see huge increases in time of possession while being one of the more prolific scoring offenses in the conference.
Brian VanGorder runs a very multiple defense that he tweaks to take away the strength of any offense and make them one dimensional. It is a system proved to be one of the best in the nation in both the college and NFL ranks. He has the talent on the roster to implement his entire system for next season.
One thing that was missing from the Auburn roster in 2011 was a good blocking back. The majority of the time the best backfield blocker was a 170-pound scat back. Loeffler utilizes a fullback in his offense, and the recent transfer of Jay Prosh (6’1” 255 pounds) an All-American in 2011 as a fullback at Illinois should help this situation.
Auburn fans can expect Prosh to have an immediate impact for the team as soon as the NCAA clears him to play.
The use of Prosh in the backfield will have a profound impact on the passing and rushing attack. His blocking ability will free up star tight end Philip Lutzenkirchen more often to be utilized as an offensive weapon. Lutzenkirchen was often the only effective lead blocker for the Auburn offense in 2011.
Auburn returns seven offensive starters in 2012. Auburn will have two seniors returning at the receiver positions in Emory Blake and Travante Stallworth. The senior tight end Lutzenkirchen looks to have his biggest year so far. Prosh is a transferring junior and should start at fullback. Onterio McCalebb will look to be even more versatile in his senior year.
Auburn will likely field all five skilled positions with upperclassmen, and four of them will likely be veteran seniors. With Loeffler as the quarterback coach, it is hopeful that junior Clint Moseley or sophomore Keihl Frazier will step up to their full potential. At this point quarterback is the only skilled position in question to run Loeffler’s offensive system.
Auburn will be replacing both offensive tackles this season. Greg Robinson looks to be one of the replacements at left tackle, and it appears either John Sullen or Chad Slade could move to tackle from guard as Eric Mack and Christian Westerman come into their own at the guard positions. The only senior in this group is John Sullen. All the rest are sophomores or redshirt freshmen.
Chad Slade (guard, tackle), Reese Dismukes (center), John Sullen (tackle, guard) and Eric Mack (guard) are the only returning offensive linemen expected to start with actual game experience.
There is excellent depth returning at every offensive position with the one exception of fullback. Ladarious Phillips (redshirt sophomore fullback) came to the plains with great hopes, but has not panned out so far in his career. He will need to develop to provide the depth needed at fullback for 2012.
Since the former Auburn offense did not utilize a true fullback, it is possible that Phillips can develop more quickly into the specialized role. It appears he was having a difficult time grasping the role of H-Back and lead blocker in the former offense.
Auburn goes five deep at running back, tight end and both receiver positions. There will be three quarterbacks competing for the starting role in spring training. There are 10 returning offensive linemen on the roster with three more in the current recruiting class.
Both VanGorder and Loeffler arrive on the plains to coach a team brimming with top-caliber talent and depth at every position. It is also a team that will compete in the toughest division in college football.
Auburn returns 18 starters from 2011, the most in the SEC West. Mississippi is next with 17 returning starters followed by Arkansas (15 returning starters), LSU (14 returning starters), Alabama and Mississippi State (13 returning starters). This should make them an early favorite to compete for the SEC West in 2012.
Of the 68 players in the three-deep rotations for Auburn, they will need to replace only 10 for the 2012 season. This makes Auburn by far the team with the most returning experienced depth in the SEC West for 2012. For comparison, Alabama will need to replace 20 and LSU 25 on their three deep for 2012.
This is a clear advantage for these new coordinators. The other advantage is the many similarities between the new offensive and defensive systems and what was already in place at Auburn. It is certain coach Gene Chizik was hoping for a smooth transition when he made these two hires.
Auburn fans will likely see a return to a ball control offense and shut down defense in 2012. Scores will come early and often, but big plays will likely decrease in favor of grinding the ball down the field. There should be an immediate and obvious impact on the development of the quarterback position and snaps will return to under center at least some of the time.
The Auburn defense will feature a nasty and dominant defensive line with exceptional speed at linebacker and in the secondary. Rotation of players will occur often and even according to scheme at times. Pass defense should be a strength of this defense as the defensive line matures and bottles up the rushing attack of opponents.
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In summation the sky is falling? no?
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In summation the sky is falling? no?
That's what some are saying. They make Zoloft for that shit.
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"When Gene Chizik arrived at Auburn he took over a team that was decimated in numbers on the defensive side of the ball. The depth and talent simply was not there to run a lockdown defense. That has changed over the last three years, and Auburn now boasts one of the deepest and most talented defensive rosters in college football."
I stopped reading right here.
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Auburn Football 2012: What Changes Might Take Place with New Coordinators?
By Kevin McGrady
Many are wondering exactly what the dual hires of Scot Loeffler and Brian VanGorder at the two coordinator positions might mean for the Auburn Tigers. Going one step furtherm some wonder what the transfer of All-American fullback Jay Prosh might add to the team. A little analysis of these areas might give some insight as to what can be expected for the 2012 season.
Loeffler ran a very multiple offense at Temple. His play calling allowed the Temple Owls to compete on equal footing with much more talented teams. For instance, the Owls played two common opponents with Alabama last season.
Alabama managed 183 yards rushing against Kent State and scored 48 points. Temple managed 202 yards rushing against Kent State and scored 34 points. Temple controlled the ball for 30:42 against Kent State. Alabama controlled the ball for 29:53 against Kent State.
Alabama managed 196 yards rushing against Penn State and controlled the ball 34:05 while scoring 27 points. Temple only managed 74 yards rushing against Penn State and controlled the ball only 28:22 while scoring only 10 points.
Penn State scored 11 points on Alabama and 14 on Temple. This is the most interesting game as it is clear that Penn State had far superior team talent when compared to Temple. The point is that the Temple offense under Loeffler performed as well as any team when talent was equal or when Temple had a sleight advantage. In games where Temple was completely out-manned by superior talent, his offense still did well enough to keep the team in the game with a chance to win.
Loeffler knows how to run both the spread and conventional offenses. At Temple he used a conventional offensive set utilizing a fullback, tight end, tailback and two receivers. He was also part of the Florida staff that led Tim Tebow to a massive Sugar Bowl victory utilizing a spread option offense. He called the majority of plays in that game, according to Urban Meyer, the former Florida head coach and the current head coach at Ohio State.
Loeffler is known to be an excellent developer of quarterbacks. This was his coaching specialty before moving up to offensive coordinator. He has coached about half a dozen current NFL quarterbacks, including Tebow and Tom Brady, among others.
All of this is well and good, but how does it translate into the future plans at Auburn?
When Gene Chizik arrived at Auburn he took over a team that was decimated in numbers on the defensive side of the ball. The depth and talent simply was not there to run a lockdown defense. That has changed over the last three years, and Auburn now boasts one of the deepest and most talented defensive rosters in college football.
Prior to getting these players to Auburn, the best chance was to simply outscore opponents. The previous Auburn offense was particularly good at putting points on the scoreboard, but left the defense on the field the majority of most games. When an attempt was made to play more ball control in 2011 the offense did not perform as well as desired.
Loeffler runs a very unpredictable multiple offense that is particularly good at controlling the football and converting on third down. With the offensive talent available at Auburn it should be very entertaining to watch his system in action. Auburn should see huge increases in time of possession while being one of the more prolific scoring offenses in the conference.
Brian VanGorder runs a very multiple defense that he tweaks to take away the strength of any offense and make them one dimensional. It is a system proved to be one of the best in the nation in both the college and NFL ranks. He has the talent on the roster to implement his entire system for next season.
One thing that was missing from the Auburn roster in 2011 was a good blocking back. The majority of the time the best backfield blocker was a 170-pound scat back. Loeffler utilizes a fullback in his offense, and the recent transfer of Jay Prosh (6’1” 255 pounds) an All-American in 2011 as a fullback at Illinois should help this situation.
Auburn fans can expect Prosh to have an immediate impact for the team as soon as the NCAA clears him to play.
The use of Prosh in the backfield will have a profound impact on the passing and rushing attack. His blocking ability will free up star tight end Philip Lutzenkirchen more often to be utilized as an offensive weapon. Lutzenkirchen was often the only effective lead blocker for the Auburn offense in 2011.
Auburn returns seven offensive starters in 2012. Auburn will have two seniors returning at the receiver positions in Emory Blake and Travante Stallworth. The senior tight end Lutzenkirchen looks to have his biggest year so far. Prosh is a transferring junior and should start at fullback. Onterio McCalebb will look to be even more versatile in his senior year.
Auburn will likely field all five skilled positions with upperclassmen, and four of them will likely be veteran seniors. With Loeffler as the quarterback coach, it is hopeful that junior Clint Moseley or sophomore Keihl Frazier will step up to their full potential. At this point quarterback is the only skilled position in question to run Loeffler’s offensive system.
Auburn will be replacing both offensive tackles this season. Greg Robinson looks to be one of the replacements at left tackle, and it appears either John Sullen or Chad Slade could move to tackle from guard as Eric Mack and Christian Westerman come into their own at the guard positions. The only senior in this group is John Sullen. All the rest are sophomores or redshirt freshmen.
Chad Slade (guard, tackle), Reese Dismukes (center), John Sullen (tackle, guard) and Eric Mack (guard) are the only returning offensive linemen expected to start with actual game experience.
There is excellent depth returning at every offensive position with the one exception of fullback. Ladarious Phillips (redshirt sophomore fullback) came to the plains with great hopes, but has not panned out so far in his career. He will need to develop to provide the depth needed at fullback for 2012.
Since the former Auburn offense did not utilize a true fullback, it is possible that Phillips can develop more quickly into the specialized role. It appears he was having a difficult time grasping the role of H-Back and lead blocker in the former offense.
Auburn goes five deep at running back, tight end and both receiver positions. There will be three quarterbacks competing for the starting role in spring training. There are 10 returning offensive linemen on the roster with three more in the current recruiting class.
Both VanGorder and Loeffler arrive on the plains to coach a team brimming with top-caliber talent and depth at every position. It is also a team that will compete in the toughest division in college football.
Auburn returns 18 starters from 2011, the most in the SEC West. Mississippi is next with 17 returning starters followed by Arkansas (15 returning starters), LSU (14 returning starters), Alabama and Mississippi State (13 returning starters). This should make them an early favorite to compete for the SEC West in 2012.
Of the 68 players in the three-deep rotations for Auburn, they will need to replace only 10 for the 2012 season. This makes Auburn by far the team with the most returning experienced depth in the SEC West for 2012. For comparison, Alabama will need to replace 20 and LSU 25 on their three deep for 2012.
This is a clear advantage for these new coordinators. The other advantage is the many similarities between the new offensive and defensive systems and what was already in place at Auburn. It is certain coach Gene Chizik was hoping for a smooth transition when he made these two hires.
Auburn fans will likely see a return to a ball control offense and shut down defense in 2012. Scores will come early and often, but big plays will likely decrease in favor of grinding the ball down the field. There should be an immediate and obvious impact on the development of the quarterback position and snaps will return to under center at least some of the time.
The Auburn defense will feature a nasty and dominant defensive line with exceptional speed at linebacker and in the secondary. Rotation of players will occur often and even according to scheme at times. Pass defense should be a strength of this defense as the defensive line matures and bottles up the rushing attack of opponents. All of this being a moot point as the hammer is coming.
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"When Gene Chizik arrived at Auburn he took over a team that was decimated in numbers on the defensive side of the ball. The depth and talent simply was not there to run a lockdown defense. That has changed over the last three years, and Auburn now boasts one of the deepest and most talented defensive rosters in college football."
I stopped reading right here.
I was wondering when that happened myself.
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I was wondering when that happened myself.
Well, its obvious that there is some sunshine pumping going on in the article but I can see the optimism. Auburn does have loads of talent, especially when you measure that against what was put on the field just 3 years ago. Also that talent, though young, has had some valuable game experience that Van Gorder should be able to do something with. I tend to think that our D will be looking a lot better next year.
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Well, its obvious that there is some sunshine pumping going on in the article but I can see the optimism. Auburn does have loads of talent, especially when you measure that against what was put on the field just 3 years ago. Also that talent, though young, has had some valuable game experience that Van Gorder should be able to do something with. I tend to think that our D will be looking a lot better next year.
I would hope so, for the love of God don't let it look worse.
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I think he was referring to the fact that since Neiko is gone, the overall talent level on defense went through the roof.
Makes sense now.
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I think he was referring to the fact that since Neiko is gone, the overall talent level on defense went through the roof.
Makes sense now.
Yes, Neiko is gone and that by itself is a huge improvement. I hope Erique gets the nod there. I'm also really wondering what our LB's will look like. I'm not sure what size VG looks for in his prototypical LB but I would have to assume they would be of bigger body than what we have seen for a while now. I would absolutely blow a load of Ra Ra, Owens and Sanders became the starters at LB.
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I think he was referring to the fact that since Neiko is gone, the overall talent level on defense went through the roof.
Makes sense now.
no Ted Roof is gone...Brian Van Gorder is our new DC
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This year we have some new faces around the clubhouse, and maybe we will get some names to go with those faces by the opening kickoff.
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This year we have some new faces around the clubhouse, and maybe we will get some names to go with those faces by the opening kickoff.
That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
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From an actual "journalist"
3-point stance: Chip Kelly and the NFL
By Ivan Maisel
3. Auburn coach Gene Chizik hired offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler away from Temple. That’s the same Loeffler who ran the Florida offense in 2009-10. But don’t think the Tigers are going to install the spread offense that Loeffler used with Tim Tebow. Chizik also leapt at the chance to accept as a transfer Illinois fullback Jay Prosch, a Mobile native who didn’t think he would fit in new Illini coach Tim Beckman’s offense. The Tigers’ spring practice just got a lot more interesting.
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I think he was referring to the fact that since Neiko is gone, the overall talent level on defense went through the roof.
Makes sense now.
Yes. Anytime your talent is having to go through Ted Roof you are fucked.
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Yes, Neiko is gone and that by itself is a huge improvement. I hope Erique gets the nod there. I'm also really wondering what our LB's will look like. I'm not sure what size VG looks for in his prototypical LB but I would have to assume they would be of bigger body than what we have seen for a while now. I would absolutely blow a load of Ra Ra, Owens and Sanders became the starters at LB.
Kris Frost.
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Kris Frost.
Read something the other day that Ownes will be making the move to LB (what he was originally recruited at). I want to see him, Frost, Rah Rah with Garrett, Evans, and Mitchelle as the backups. Even though I think he is a good kid, I just don't see Holland making it, he is what you might call............slow as hell.
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Read something the other day that Ownes will be making the move to LB (what he was originally recruited at). I want to see him, Frost, Rah Rah with Garrett, Evans, and Mitchelle as the backups. Even though I think he is a good kid, I just don't see Holland making it, he is what you might call............slow as hell.
I agree about Holland. He's also undersized.
But what's strange is that he got playing time in the BCSCG and was the starter last year. Either Roof really had no clue what he was doing, or Holland does something right that we don't realize.
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Kris Frost.
Damn it wesly........and Frost although I don't see him as the starter jus......well shit, who am I kidding. Auburn needs some big bodies at LB.
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Read something the other day that Ownes will be making the move to LB (what he was originally recruited at). I want to see him, Frost, Rah Rah with Garrett, Evans, and Mitchelle as the backups. Even though I think he is a good kid, I just don't see Holland making it, he is what you might call............slow as hell.
Jake Holland will be an All-SEC LBer before he leaves Auburn...take that to the bank.
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I agree about Holland. He's also undersized.
But what's strange is that he got playing time in the BCSCG and was the starter last year. Either Roof really had no clue what he was doing, or Holland does something right that we don't realize.
I am close to giving every guy on D a pass due to the fact that Roof didn't know wtf he was doing. While I don't think that Holland is a starter, I do think that he is very capable of making great plays. Hopefully VG will move him to OLB or something.
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Jake Holland will be an All-SEC LBer before he leaves Auburn...take that to the bank.
Colonial Bank?
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Colonial Bank?
I can tell you its not Regions.
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Jake Holland will be an All-SEC LBer before he leaves Auburn...take that to the bank.
I said when he came in that he'd set some records at Auburn. He may be slower than expected but he's the type player that's in on everything. I recall saying the same thing about Bynes. The first tiime he started filling in for Blackmon, he seemed to be in on every tackle in one way or another. Pretty soon, it became apparent that he just had the proverbial nose for the ball. I think Holland is the same type player. He just may not have the tools to satisfy.
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I think Holland is the same type player. He just may not have the tools to satisfy.
I'm just not sure he is the guy to be making the D audibles at MLB. Then again, his confusion may have just been caused by others inabilities.
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Jake Holland will be an All-SEC LBer before he leaves Auburn...take that to the bank.
So the power bracelets do work?
I just don't see it. I think he will be a decent LB, but All-SEC? I hope I am wrong, but he has a lot of work to do in his last two years to get there imo.
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So the power bracelets do work?
I just don't see it. I think he will be a decent LB, but All-SEC? I hope I am wrong, but he has a lot of work to do in his last two years to get there imo.
Agree.
Greg Carr he ain't.
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People...shit..have you so quickly forgotten...he has a fro. Oh how you all got down on Trotter. You pointed and laughed. He was the object of your scorn. But for some reason, you had all turned a blind eye to the power of the fro. And you see what happened.
Anyone want to rethink they're take on Jake....Hmmm? Yeah, I thought so.
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People...shit..have you so quickly forgotten...he has a fro. Oh how you all got down on Trotter. You pointed and laughed. He was the object of your scorn. But for some reason, you had all turned a blind eye to the power of the fro. And you see what happened.
Anyone want to rethink they're take on Jake....Hmmm? Yeah, I thought so.
You're right....
He ain't even Kurt Crain
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You're right....
He ain't even Kurt Crain
He can't even hold Kurt's dip cup.
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You're right....
He ain't even Kurt Crain
Pay you'll for Loxley that
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All of y'all bashin' Jake...I got yo name, I'll have a plate of crow waiting for ya with your name on it.
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All of y'all bashin' Jake...I got yo name, I'll have a plate of crow waiting for ya with your name on it.
I will gladly take it if the time comes. What I saw last year was a lost kid that would have made a better rodeo cowboy than linebacker. I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.
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All of y'all bashin' Jake...I got yo name, I'll have a plate of crow waiting for ya with your name on it.
And again...lets wait and see what Van Gorder can do with these guys first before we say one way or the other.
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All of y'all bashin' Jake...I got yo name, I'll have a plate of crow waiting for ya with your name on it.
I'll eat the fuck out of the crow and a hat if I'm wrong....
Unless I won't.
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I'll eat the fuck out of the crow and a hat if I'm wrong....
Unless I won't.
The commitment is strong in this one.
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I'll eat the fuck out of the crow and a hat if I'm wrong....
Unless I won't.
I don't think you have much to worry about.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/JakeHollandVanStumonArkansasvAuburnqGcdmSsvJhCl1.jpg)
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I don't think you have much to worry about.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/JakeHollandVanStumonArkansasvAuburnqGcdmSsvJhCl1.jpg)
Can't you see? That's Mike Dyer that accidentally got left in on defense.
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I don't think you have much to worry about.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/JakeHollandVanStumonArkansasvAuburnqGcdmSsvJhCl1.jpg)
Is that Neiko trying to find his man up in Section 43 back there?
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I can't find his name. Who was the badass white linebacker that was a walk-on? He ended up playing for the 49'rs?
Mid to late 90's.
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I can't find his name. Who was the badass white linebacker that was a walk-on? He ended up playing for the 49'rs?
Mid to late 90's.
Jason Miska?
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Damn I can only be embarrassed for Holland after seeing that.
Caption:
Ark guy: "Get out my way muthufucka!"
Holland: "Yes sir!"
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Jason Miska?
Miska played in the pros? I know he was a whole bag of dicks off the field.
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Jason Miska?
No not Miska.
A. I don't think Miska finished his ball at AU, let alone played in the NFL. I believe he got hurt. annnnd
B. I would remember Miska he cheated with my brothers fiance (at the time) (side note: needless to say it didn't work out between my bro and her)
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Miska played in the pros? I know he was a whole bag of dicks off the field.
Yes...yes he was...in fact I think he ate the bag of dicks. All the juice that motherfucker was on.
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All of y'all bashin' Jake...I got yo name, I'll have a plate of crow waiting for ya with your name on it.
I will gladly eat a plate and would love to be wrong, I just don't see it.
Someone post the gif of Holland in the Utah State game. It is worth the lulz.
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Greene was a walk-on but he played for the Rams, Steelers and Panthers in the NFL.
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No not Miska.
A. I don't think Miska finished his ball at AU, let alone played in the NFL. I believe he got hurt. annnnd
B. I would remember Miska he cheated with my brothers fiance (at the time) (side note: needless to say it didn't work out between my bro and her)
I didn't think he played in the NFL either. Spikes took his job at Auburn, but I think he finished there.
I know now who you're talking about, but can't call his name either.
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No not Miska.
A. I don't think Miska finished his ball at AU, let alone played in the NFL. I believe he got hurt. annnnd
B. I would remember Miska he cheated with my brothers fiance (at the time) (side note: needless to say it didn't work out between my bro and her)
How do you know that Miska cheated?
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Greene was a walk-on but he played for the Rams, Steelers and Panthers in the NFL.
No he was 1984 (I think) long before I got to AU, plus I know Kevin Greene's name.
No this guy was white bald middle linebacker...he walked on...played during Bowdens reign. Fuck I want to say Rusty Williams but I know he was a RB and also black.
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No he was 1984 (I think) long before I got to AU, plus I know Kevin Greene's name.
No this guy was white bald middle linebacker...he walked on...played during Bowdens reign. Fuck I want to say Rusty Williams but I know he was a RB and also black.
You're not talking about Wayne Bylsma are you?
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I don't think you have much to worry about.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/miked0003/JakeHollandVanStumonArkansasvAuburnqGcdmSsvJhCl1.jpg)
And?
Atleast he's making the tackle. Btw, Jake played nearly the whole season with both of his ankles sprained and a broken hand.
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How do you know that Miska cheated?
Just shut your mouth and make the bicycle...funny guy.
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You're not talking about Wayne Bylsma are you?
Doesn't sound right, but he fits the profile maybe that is who I was thinking of. Did he play pro?
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Doesn't sound right, but he fits the profile maybe that is who I was thinking of. Did he play pro?
I honestly don't remember. He was a big ugly bald headed MLB that played during the Bowden days. I played in several softball tournaments against he and Frankie Stankunas not long after their playing days. Dude could beat the hell out of a softball.
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The only thing I could come up with is Alex Lincoln but I believe he was drafted in 2001.
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The only thing I could come up with is Alex Lincoln but I believe he was drafted in 2001.
Winner...winner chicken dinner. I was off on my years. I thought it was while I was a student, guess not.
Correction he was there my Senior year.
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He's no Alex Lincoln either.
:cool:
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He's no Alex Lincoln either.
:cool:
Damn, now I have blue balls.
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Doesn't sound right, but he fits the profile maybe that is who I was thinking of. Did he play pro?
I remember who you're talking about, even remember reading an NFL breakdown of him that stuck with me. They said he was carrying 240lbs of muscle on a 210 frame, and that didn't translate well. I'm thinking his last name was White. Wore #50 IIRC?
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The only thing I could come up with is Alex Lincoln but I believe he was drafted in 2001.
Yep, I think that's it.
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Yep, I think that's it.
Are you sure?
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Are you sure?
He's quick on the draw.
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I remember who you're talking about, even remember reading an NFL breakdown of him that stuck with me. They said he was carrying 240lbs of muscle on a 210 frame, and that didn't translate well. I'm thinking his last name was White. Wore #50 IIRC?
You're so 2000 and late.
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You guys know how to post videos on Facebook?
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You guys know how to post videos on Facebook?
You guys know how to post videos on Facebook?
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Are you sure?
Nope, but it sounded like I thought it maybe could definitely possibly be close.
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What is Lincoln, Alex?
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You guys know how to post videos on Facebook?
Thats so 28 seconds ago.
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What is Lincoln, Alex?
I'll take juiced up former Auburn Linebackers for $500.
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What is Lincoln, Alex?
Don't think so. GF said he thought he played for Bowden. It'll come to him.
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Don't think so. GF said he thought he played for Bowden. It'll come to him.
I wasn't aware Lincoln was a walk on, and it doesn't say that here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln)
but he was drafted by the 49ers in 2001, which means he could have walked on somewhere around 96 or 97 depending on red shirting or not.
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I wasn't aware Lincoln was a walk on, and it doesn't say that here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln)
but he was drafted by the 49ers in 2001, which means he could have walked on somewhere around 96 or 97 depending on red shirting or not.
Couldn't remember his damn name but I remember everything else.
See below
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I wasn't aware Lincoln was a walk on, and it doesn't say that here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Lincoln)
but he was drafted by the 49ers in 2001, which means he could have walked on somewhere around 96 or 97 depending on red shirting or not.
The last line in his Wikipedia article.
Alex Lincoln now "works" at the University of Wisconsin-Madison as a System Administrator in the Computer Science Department where he makes double minimum wage.
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The last line in his Wikipedia article.
Alex Lincoln now "works" at the University of Wisconsin-Madison as a System Administrator in the Computer Science Department where he makes double minimum wage.
Yeah that doesn't make any sense...jilted lover?
http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/front-office/facility-leadership/ap-lincoln-alex.html (http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/front-office/facility-leadership/ap-lincoln-alex.html)
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The last line in his Wikipedia article.
I didn't catch that, but I agree with GF. Either idiot bammer, or jilted woman.
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Yeah that doesn't make any sense...jilted lover?
http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/front-office/facility-leadership/ap-lincoln-alex.html (http://www.athletesperformance.com/about/front-office/facility-leadership/ap-lincoln-alex.html)
You know, now that you post that, I realize why I didn't catch it. When I posted that today, it listed that as his profession...it's been edited today since I posted it. I'm banking on a fucking idiot bammer lurker here.
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You know, now that you post that, I realize why I didn't catch it. When I posted that today, it listed that as his profession...it's been edited today since I posted it. I'm banking on a fucking idiot bammer lurker here.
Yup, probably the updykes from WoolyGoatFuckinRetardsAl.com
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WoolyGoatFuckinRetardsAl.com
The goat rapin' home base.
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Yup, probably the updykes from WoolyGoatFuckinRetardsAl.com
Travis the monkey humper chimes in
http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284 (http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284)
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What I am finding interesting is the fact that there has been very little mention of the offense even after losing Malzahn. I would be willing to bet that this is the common theme among Auburn fans. I guess that goes to show that the poor D really was bothering the hell outta people.
The more I read and watch of Lefty and his offense, the more excited I get. If I can find it, I will post a quote from your buddy StatTiger. It was pretty interesting. Loeffler will probably surprise a lot of folks next season. Do you guys think we have the talent? I do. Do you guys think that we have plenty of game experience? I do. This is where I agree with the article. I do think the coaches walk into an already well prepared meal, ready to feast. I know I'm usually on the optimistic side but I can't help but be excited.
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Travis the monkey humper chimes in
http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284 (http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284)
I would advise you not to travel over to that dump. The last time I followed a link over there, I got a virus warning from Kaspersky. Those inbreds are even infecting the fiber optics.
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Wow, you bammer fuckers are lurking like hell this morning. Purpose? Maybe to find some of this?
(http://g.purevolumecdn.com/cdnImages/crop_345x235/Artist-99156812-1351161.jpg)
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What I am finding interesting is the fact that there has been very little mention of the offense even after losing Malzahn. I would be willing to bet that this is the common theme among Auburn fans. I guess that goes to show that the poor D really was bothering the hell outta people.
The more I read and watch of Lefty and his offense, the more excited I get. If I can find it, I will post a quote from your buddy StatTiger. It was pretty interesting. Loeffler will probably surprise a lot of folks next season. Do you guys think we have the talent? I do. Do you guys think that we have plenty of game experience? I do. This is where I agree with the article. I do think the coaches walk into an already well prepared meal, ready to feast. I know I'm usually on the optimistic side but I can't help but be excited.
Is he bringing in any assistants? I'm wary when Coordinators aren't "allowed" to bring in some of their guys. Remember the last time that happened? Nall rejecting Franklin had as much to do with that clusterfart as anything.
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Is he bringing in any assistants? I'm wary when Coordinators aren't "allowed" to bring in some of their guys. Remember the last time that happened? Nall rejecting Franklin had as much to do with that clusterfart as anything.
I think every Auburn fan older than 12 remembers that. I don't think thats the case here though. I'm pretty sure that Auburn already has very sufficient assistants in place that are not as thick headed as those in Tubs era. To add to that, I'm pretty sure that if Van Gorder wanted someone else than what he has now, he would go get them.
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Travis the monkey humper chimes in
http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284 (http://woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15284)
People still go to that ugly dumb as fuck site?
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People still go to that ugly dumb as fuck site?
At least 25 22 17 do.
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From Stat:
http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/78246-thoughts-observations-on-coach-loeffler (http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/78246-thoughts-observations-on-coach-loeffler)
Under his supervision, his starting quarterbacks at Michigan, Florida and Temple had a TD-INT ratio of 2.34. Anything over 2.0 is very solid.
Though his offense at Temple this past season appeared to be run-heavy, it would be wise to focus on the 142.8 pass rating his THREE starting quarterbacks compiled. In comparison, Auburn had an overall pass rating of 124.7. It was amazing he obtained that kind of efficiency from his quarterbacks. His run offense was No. 7 in the nation but the focus should be on his pass offense and play calling. When you consider Auburn is 49-1 over the past 12 years in games with 175-yards rushing and a QB rating of 135.0 or better, Coach Loeffler will maintain offensive balance, when it comes to efficiency.
When Auburn has committed to the run, the Tigers have always been able to field a solid running game. This was the case under Pat Dye, Terry Bowden, Tommy Tuberville and Gene Chizik. The key being committed to the run. For Gene Chizik, he wanted the next offensive coordinator to have the ability to develop quarterbacks and to field an efficient pass-offense. Scot Loeffler has plenty of experience at working with quarterbacks at the collegiate and professional level.
Formations:
(http://api.ning.com/files/MHwfT1sAGvJPRRi-7KcXykyV2faJFm0ZyRrT5Cw9k8dBMrTFKzlfEF8wp9ZOCkGAkHl070OWatKBCeA6LBuoGJUlSa49WhL1/TempleFormations1.jpg?width=596&height=600)
Under Scot Loeffler, Temple's offense gave the opponent multiple looks. He utilized power formations to run the ball. He used 2 and 3 TE formations as well as 4-5 WR sets. The quarterbacks played under center and in the shotgun. With his coaching stops at Michigan and Florida, Loeffler will field an offense, which will utilize the "skill" players on the field.
During the 2011 season, Temple had 7 different offensive players, who had at least 6 impact plays. In comparison, Auburn had 5 different players. Their run offense generated 34 plays of 20-yards or more or 1 every 18.7 carries. The 2011 Auburn running game generated a 20-yard run every 38.3 carries. A quarterback like Kiehl Frazier will have an opportunity to thrive under Coach Loeffler, running and throwing the football.
His lack of experience as an offensive coordinator is the only possible concern but he will certainly make up for it with his effort and creativity. His former employers have praised him for his diligence in preparation and his relationship with his players. He has a creative offensive mind and has built a reputation for being a solid recruiter. Based on what I was told about the interview process, Scot Loeffler must have impressed Coach Chizik in breaking down defenses.
I know there has been an issue about the delay in the hiring and the questioning of the delay. Though we may never know the exact reasons for how this hiring played out, common sense would tell you Coach Chizik made the hire when he did for a legitimate reason(s). Does anyone actually believe Chizik would intentionally delay the hire with no concerns with recruiting? At this point, it makes no difference and Auburn has their coordinators in place.
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So I looked at that little shithole of a site. So an updyke from wollybully.com makes a change to Alex Lincoln's wiki page that isn't funny and makes no sense, but were the ones that obsess over them?
Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
OH BOY YOU GUYS SURE DID GET US THERE!!!!. OH GOLLY GEE I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!!!! :facepalm:
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From Stat:
http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/78246-thoughts-observations-on-coach-loeffler (http://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/78246-thoughts-observations-on-coach-loeffler)
Thats pretty damn multiple. I will admit, that's exactly what I wanted in the next OC.
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So I looked at that little shithole of a site. So an updyke from wollybully.com makes a change to Alex Lincoln's wiki page that isn't funny and makes no sense, but were the ones that obsess over them?
Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
OH BOY YOU GUYS SURE DID GET US THERE!!!!. OH GOLLY GEE I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!!!! :facepalm:
I'll tell you just like I tell the local Finescumb listeners, j.u.s.t.d.o.n.t.d.o.i.t.
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Welcome, goat fuckers!
To make you feel more at home...
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Thats pretty damn multiple. I will admit, that's exactly what I wanted in the next OC.
I know right. This gets me more excited the more I read. I told you there was something to this Prosch kid coming to Auburn. Lefty is gonna do well at Auburn and bring back to Auburn more a smash mouth run game that we're use to and add a vertical passing game that has plagued Auburn for sometime.
Also, I'd be willing to bet Snaggles left nut that Lefty brings in his own prototype QB next cruiten year.
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I'll tell you just like I tell the local Finescumb listeners, j.u.s.t.d.o.n.t.d.o.i.t.
nah, I only read the first 4 posts and I lost 20 brain cells doing so. That site is full tard.
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I know right. This gets me more excited the more I read. I told you there was something to this Prosch kid coming to Auburn. Lefty is gonna do well at Auburn and bring back to Auburn more a smash mouth run game that we're use to and add a vertical passing game that has plagued Auburn for sometime.
Also, I'd be willing to bet Snaggles left nut that Lefty brings in his own prototype QB next cruiten year.
Did his wife agree to that bet since it is her property?
If you keep getting excited, you're gonna wind up having a "multiple".
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I know right. This gets me more excited the more I read. I told you there was something to this Prosch kid coming to Auburn. Lefty is gonna do well at Auburn and bring back to Auburn more a smash mouth run game that we're use to and add a vertical passing game that has plagued Auburn for sometime.
Also, I'd be willing to bet Snaggles left nut that Lefty brings in his own prototype QB next cruiten year.
Hell I'll be happy to see some slants. Maybe some 15 yard comeback routes. Screen passes to the RB. Maybe some out and left TE passes.
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Hell I'll be happy to see some slants. Maybe some 15 yard comeback routes. Screen passes to the RB. Maybe some out and left TE passes.
Which brings me back to Prosch. I know not everything hinges on a true FB but at least this new addition will free up Lutz. Oh, and agree on the slants, crossing routes, etc. I don't mind a WR screen every once in while but damn, that was one thing that irked the shit outta me about Malzahn.
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Which brings me back to Prosch. I know not everything hinges on a true FB but at least this new addition will free up Lutz. Oh, and agree on the slants, crossing routes, etc. I don't mind a WR screen every once in while but damn, that was one thing that irked the shit outta me about Malzahn.
If its is to Emory Blake I am ok with it. Anyone else though never did shit with it.
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Which brings me back to Prosch. I know not everything hinges on a true FB but at least this new addition will free up Lutz. Oh, and agree on the slants, crossing routes, etc. I don't mind a WR screen every once in while but damn, that was one thing that irked the shit outta me about Malzahn.
I look for Lutz to look like Jason Witten this year. Serious.
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Is he bringing in any assistants? I'm wary when Coordinators aren't "allowed" to bring in some of their guys. Remember the last time that happened? Nall rejecting Franklin had as much to do with that clusterfart as anything.
Please cite for me OC, or DC hires where they're allowed to bring their own assistants with them then we'll talk. HC does the hiring and firing.
AU 2008 was the failing of the HC to lead his lieutenants properly. He allowed a mutiny because he was part of it.
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Please cite for me OC, or DC hires where they're allowed to bring their own assistants with them then we'll talk. HC does the hiring and firing.
AU 2008 was the failing of the HC to lead his lieutenants properly. He allowed a mutiny because he was part of it.
yet some still worship at his throne.
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I look for Lutz to look like Jason Witten this year. Serious.
Very well possible. Lutz has the hands of a WR and doesn't mind putting somebody on their ass either.
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Please cite for me OC, or DC hires where they're allowed to bring their own assistants with them then we'll talk. HC does the hiring and firing.
AU 2008 was the failing of the HC to lead his lieutenants properly. He allowed a mutiny because he was part of it.
Agree....that was used as an excuse by most. Truth is it doesn't happen. I blame both sides though it wasn't 100% Franklin's fault.
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yet some still worship at his throne.
If you are referring to Kaos I disagree. He will admit he wanted Tub's gone as bad as everyone else, that it was time for him to move on. What others have done is suddenly turn on Tub's and shit all over him. Kaos just tries to point out all the good that Tubs did for Auburn.
I happen to agree with him except for the recruiting part, I think Tubs got lazy and got beat by lord sabanz plain and simple.
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If its is to Emory Blake I am ok with it. Anyone else though never did shit with it.
This got me thinking about our WR corp. Outside of Blake, Stallworth and maybe Lutz, who do we have at the WR position as an actual threat?
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I know right. This gets me more excited the more I read. I told you there was something to this Prosch kid coming to Auburn. Lefty is gonna do well at Auburn and bring back to Auburn more a smash mouth run game that we're use to and add a vertical passing game that has plagued Auburn for sometime.
Also, I'd be willing to bet Snaggles left nut that Lefty brings in his own prototype QB next cruiten year.
Wow, short memories round here. Todd averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt, which would have probably put him in the top ten in that category of passing. Cam lead the nation with 10.19 yards per attempt.
I recall folks round here bitching at times that all we did was throw the bomb, and whining about a lack of "intermediate passing game" under Malzahn.
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This got me thinking about our WR corp. Outside of Blake, Stallworth and maybe Lutz, who do we have at the WR position as an actual threat?
AWK thinks this is Trovon Reed's year.
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Wow, short memories round here. Todd averaged nearly 8 yards per attempt, which would have probably put him in the top ten in that category of passing. Cam lead the nation with 10.19 yards per attempt.
I recall folks round here bitching at times that all we did was throw the bomb, and whining about a lack of "intermediate passing game" under Malzahn.
No actually its called a long term memory. While there was a two year span with Malzahn at the helm that we had a pretty decent long pass game, there have been many many years that Auburn was lacking. I know that some of those years because we may have just lacked a QB to make it happen, I'll give you that.
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You people are gonna' eat your words when Jay Wisner comes back for his 17th year and almost makes his first career catch.
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AWK thinks this is Trovon Reed's year.
Thus far Reed hasn't lived up to the hype but most of that can be contributed to injuries. I would def add him to that list though.
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I expect to see a huge impact from Tray Blackmon this year at the LB spot.
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I expect to see a huge impact from Tray Blackmon this year at the LB spot.
After a medical hardship, a medical redshirt and two regular redshirts I think Tray is ready for play. He should be a goodn'.
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After a medical hardship, a medical redshirt and two regular redshirts I think Tray is ready for play. He should be a goodn'.
One of your better efforts...
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I expect to see a huge impact from Tray Blackmon this year at the LB spot.
With Raven Gray coming off the end, this D will be a force to be reckoned with.
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With Raven Gray coming off the end, this D will be a force to be reckoned with.
Did you hear about this Brandon Jacobs kid? I'm hearing he is like a 6'6 275 RB.
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Did you hear about this Brandon Jacobs kid? I'm hearing he is like a 6'6 275 RB.
I read somewhere that he runs a 3.8 40, bench presses the team bus and squats whenever and whatever he wants to.
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Did you hear about this Brandon Jacobs kid? I'm hearing he is like a 6'6 275 RB.
Whoa..I take exception to that one. Our backfield was too crowded. I believe he would have been a force to be recokened with, if we hadn't had Carnell and Ronnie.
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Whoa..I take exception to that one. Our backfield was too crowded. I believe he would have been a force to be recokened with, if we hadn't had Carnell and Ronnie.
Yep. He would have been one of the best recokened players we ever had.
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Yep. He would have been one of the best recokened players we ever had.
He's a chicken hawk hunting for a chicken.
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Whoa..I take exception to that one. Our backfield was too crowded. I believe he would have been a force to be recokened with, if we hadn't had Carnell and Ronnie.
Being serious, your absolutely right but I was playing the Snaggle no nonsense theme. He is always so serious.
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If you are referring to Kaos I disagree. He will admit he wanted Tub's gone as bad as everyone else, that it was time for him to move on. What others have done is suddenly turn on Tub's and shit all over him. Kaos just tries to point out all the good that Tubs did for Auburn.
I happen to agree with him except for the recruiting part, I think Tubs got lazy and got beat by lord sabanz plain and simple.
No, wasn't refering to Kaos. More people Ive talked to in person who still think we should not have fired him and think we still made a mistake. I can't help those people.
For the record, Kaos has stated many times that he did not want him fired and that he thought he could turn it around if given the chance. He has been wrong and flip flopped on more topics than Mitt Romney.
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What is this crap in the top right with the running backs in a line behind the QB who is standing way too close to the center to take any kind of snap? That HS crap may have worked at Temple but this is the SEC!
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Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling with all these Temple pics and videos when talking about Auburn's future?
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Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling with all these Temple pics and videos when talking about Auburn's future?
I feel dirty.
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Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling with all these Temple pics and videos when talking about Auburn's future?
We could always make a temple run.
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We could always make a temple run.
I just bought a new set of temple undergarments. Loeffler/Romney in 2012!
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yet some still worship at his throne.
It's not worship to look at his whole run at Auburn instead of one failing due to burning out. Tubs was a good coach, but he burned out at the time when he needed to step up his game instead of maintain.
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Does anyone else get an uneasy feeling with all these Temple pics and videos when talking about Auburn's future?
No, why?
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Off Topic for a second...don't blink when Quan Bray gets in the WR rotation. Also, Sammie Coates and Jaylon Denson will become a new version of Aromashodu and Obomanu.
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Off Topic for a second...don't blink when Quan Bray gets in the WR rotation. Also, Sammie Coates and Jaylon Denson will become a new version of Aromashodu and Obomanu.
I didn't blink while reading your post.
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Off Topic for a second...don't blink when Quan Bray gets in the WR rotation. Also, Sammie Coates and Jaylon Denson will become a new version of Aromashodu and Obomanu.
I hope so. The coaches have brought in a lot of talent as athletes and WR's. I think we have all seen talent brought in at that position before and was wasted. I don't think that it will but that still lingers in the back of my mind. From the sounds of Lefty's style of offense, we'z gonna need some good'ns catching the ball.
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Off Topic for a second...don't blink when Quan Bray gets in the WR rotation. Also, Sammie Coates and Jaylon Denson will become a new version of Aromashodu and Obomanu.
I thought he was already?
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Lil tidbit interview with Loeffler
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/allaccess/?media=294033 (http://auburntigers.cstv.com/allaccess/?media=294033)