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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: ssgaufan on January 06, 2012, 09:56:53 AM
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Why does it seem that we have no positive carry over from our NC? I know we had a rough season, and now are looking to replace a couple of coaches (and what the fuck is taking so long with that), but it just seems like we don't have any momentum or excitement with our program right now. I was really expecting to see a couple of players commit to AU last night, but I didn't. All I heard was he's a bammer, or gaytor, or bengal tiger and it was really a bit of a let down. Also read where one of you posted that bammer and lsu were about done with recruiting so we should finish strong. WTF? We now have to wait for them to get who they want and then take the leftovers? FUCK THAT! AU won it all last year and should be able to get just about anybody we want, but for some reason can't, and that has me feeling a little dissappointed.
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Now you know how I feel everyday.
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Why does it seem that we have no positive carry over from our NC? I know we had a rough season, and now are looking to replace a couple of coaches (and what the fuck is taking so long with that), but it just seems like we don't have any momentum or excitement with our program right now. I was really expecting to see a couple of players commit to AU last night, but I didn't. All I heard was he's a bammer, or gaytor, or bengal tiger and it was really a bit of a let down. Also read where one of you posted that bammer and lsu were about done with recruiting so we should finish strong. WTF? We now have to wait for them to get who they want and then take the leftovers? FUCK THAT! AU won it all last year and should be able to get just about anybody we want, but for some reason can't, and that has me feeling a little dissappointed.
Different for us. We won it all, but all the talking heads could talk about until the season started was how we bought Cam and we were getting the hammer. Then NYT releases an article about Chiz butting heads with the lady from the NCAA. The you have Danny Sheridan go to any news outlet that will let him speak talking about how he knows who the bagman is and how the NCAA knows. It's coming any day. Sprinkle in the Bingo trial and how we are tied to it every couple of days and it doesn't take long before the damage is done. We lost out on a lot of kids b/c of that. As soon as the NCAA cleared us, we have a shitty season that was a turn off and we don't have any coordinators. The perfect shit storm hit us. Suitgate, some of the shady shit at LSU never got the play in the media that Auburn did.
Now saying that, we are more than likely still going to finish with a top 10 class. Two top 5 classes and a top 10 class will keep us with some good talent.
I don't know why anyone was expecting us to get some commitments last night. We were only really in it for Channing Ward and it was pretty clear that "momma" wanted him to go to Ole Miss and since his walk on brother was going to "earn" a scholarship under the new coach that he was headed to Oxford.
I think we close out strong and we are in on landing some really big time recruits.
Deon Bush, Leonard Williams, Arik Arimstead, Kwon Alexander, Ricardo Louis, Cordarrelle Patterson, Avory Young, I'Tavius Mathers and several others. Given this staffs track record, I think we will hire the right guys at coordinators and we will close out strong in recruiting.
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Now you know how I feel everyday.
This is pure gold!
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Different for us. We won it all, but all the talking heads could talk about until the season started was how we bought Cam and we were getting the hammer. Then NYT releases an article about Chiz butting heads with the lady from the NCAA. The you have Danny Sheridan go to any news outlet that will let him speak talking about how he knows who the bagman is and how the NCAA knows. It's coming any day. Sprinkle in the Bingo trial and how we are tied to it every couple of days and it doesn't take long before the damage is done. We lost out on a lot of kids b/c of that. As soon as the NCAA cleared us, we have a shitty season that was a turn off and we don't have any coordinators. The perfect shit storm hit us. Suitgate, some of the shady shit at LSU never got the play in the media that Auburn did.
Now saying that, we are more than likely still going to finish with a top 10 class. Two top 5 classes and a top 10 class will keep us with some good talent.
I don't know why anyone was expecting us to get some commitments last night. We were only really in it for Channing Ward and it was pretty clear that "momma" wanted him to go to Ole Miss and since his walk on brother was going to "earn" a scholarship under the new coach that he was headed to Oxford.
I think we close out strong and we are in on landing some really big time recruits.
Deon Bush, Leonard Williams, Arik Arimstead, Kwon Alexander, Ricardo Louis, Cordarrelle Patterson, Avory Young, I'Tavius Mathers and several others. Given this staffs track record, I think we will hire the right guys at coordinators and we will close out strong in recruiting.
This is true, thanks I needed that!
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Eddie Goldman and Stephon Diggs are in the bag...man.
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While I have to admit that I too am disappointed, just look at the recruiting rankings since 2000 for example. The last 2 years are the highest ranked and they were back-to-back classes. This year's class will be no slouch, and will probably finish anywhere from 7-12...which under any other circumstances would be another very good year.
For all the reasons AUTiger1 just mentioned, it is amazing that these coaches will end up with a top 15, possibly top 10 class considering all the "outside" influences they have had to deal with. Also, if new coordinators are hired soon, and they are "splash" hires, I would look for a jump definitely into the top 10, and possibly top 5.
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Eddie Goldman and Stephon Diggs are in the bag...man.
Did you call?
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While I have to admit that I too am disappointed, just look at the recruiting rankings since 2000 for example. The last 2 years are the highest ranked and they were back-to-back classes. This year's class will be no slouch, and will probably finish anywhere from 7-12...which under any other circumstances would be another very good year.
For all the reasons AUTiger1 just mentioned, it is amazing that these coaches will end up with a top 15, possibly top 10 class considering all the "outside" influences they have had to deal with. Also, if new coordinators are hired soon, and they are "splash" hires, I would look for a jump definitely into the top 10, and possibly top 5.
There's nobody left. Bama signed em' all.
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While I have to admit that I too am disappointed, just look at the recruiting rankings since 2000 for example. The last 2 years are the highest ranked and they were back-to-back classes. This year's class will be no slouch, and will probably finish anywhere from 7-12...which under any other circumstances would be another very good year.
For all the reasons AUTiger1 just mentioned, it is amazing that these coaches will end up with a top 15, possibly top 10 class considering all the "outside" influences they have had to deal with. Also, if new coordinators are hired soon, and they are "splash" hires, I would look for a jump definitely into the top 10, and possibly top 5.
This can make THAT big of a difference. We hire the right guys and there is a chance that we might be able to poach a couple of guys from other places. I will give this staff the benefit of the doubt until they have 30th ranked class and make some shitty hires for replacement coaches.
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For the record, I still don't think rankings mean shit, other than to fans.
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For the record, I still don't think rankings mean shit, other than to fans.
No...it's the pimp cups and the rope chains that make the difference.
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Did you call?
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Fuck dude, it's too early in the morning to see the face of death, how about some warning next time.
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For the record, I still don't think rankings mean shit, other than to fans.
I don't either. I think it more or less indicates what kind of athlete you are gaining and not how good a kid will be.
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Why does it seem that we have no positive carry over from our NC? I know we had a rough season, and now are looking to replace a couple of coaches (and what the fuck is taking so long with that), but it just seems like we don't have any momentum or excitement with our program right now. I was really expecting to see a couple of players commit to AU last night, but I didn't. All I heard was he's a bammer, or gaytor, or bengal tiger and it was really a bit of a let down. Also read where one of you posted that bammer and lsu were about done with recruiting so we should finish strong. WTF? We now have to wait for them to get who they want and then take the leftovers? FUCK THAT! AU won it all last year and should be able to get just about anybody we want, but for some reason can't, and that has me feeling a little dissappointed.
Couple of questions for you...
Did you expect Gus to get a HC job sooner rather than later? If you're like most, you did, but now it seems that to some it's a complete shock.
Did you want Roof to be our DC next season? Expect him to be? Not if you have any sense, but now, it's a bad thing for some reason.
Did you expect to win 10 or 11 games, or compete for the SECW this year? Most outside of Auburn said we'd be going well to win 6. We won eight, but the entire focus isn't on over achieving in the win column, it's on the way we lost 3 of the 5.
Fact is you feel the way you do because you buy in to the constant stream of negativity that flows from the Finefuck show. And you don't have to listen to the show to hear it. Everything that happens at Auburn is spun negatively. Gus turned down Vandy, and everybody got that when it happened. It's a shitty job, and I don't give a fuck what Franklin did by having a glorious 6-7 season, it's a shit job. Go look at the list of Vandy coaches, and find one, just ONE that parlayed it in to a bigger, better job. It's a coach killer job. But, when Gus takes Ark. St., Vandy is suddenly painted as a "premier SEC job". "Gus could have been an SEC Head coach!". Vandy isn't "an SEC job" it's a job in the SEC.
Roof leaves, as we all wanted, and lands softly at UCF, and he is painted as wanting to be anywhere but Auburn. He left Auburn on his own for a lesser job. It's not portrayed the way we all know it went down with Gene telling him to find a new gig.
Player gets in trouble at bammer, is suspended or booted, Lord Saybinz is a stern disciplinarian. Same thing happens at Auburn, and Gene's program is out of control. Bammer OC takes a job at a non BCS school, where they have a home stadium capacity of 32,500, and a program that is a lifetime .471 winning %, and Oh, McElweenie is moving on up. Look what he's done for himself. Yippee. Gus goes to Ark St., stadium capacity of 31,000 and a lifetime winning % of .482, and he was "getting while the getting was good"..."He wanted to be anywhere but Auburn"...which is the case with all coaches at Auburn if you listen to bammers.
Recruiting isn't over. 9 more players will make a huge difference in the ranking, and they won't suddenly all turn out to be 2* scrubs either.
Learn that you don't win them all every year. We had a deficit of upperclassmen this year. If a NC is the high point, and 8-5 is the low point for this staff I can live with that. 2009, IMHO showed what Chiz can do. Last year was special, because of a load of Sr. players, and 2 very special players. Sorry, but nobody wins NCs without great players. They may not be Cam, but you won't find a team with a crystal ball that has a bunch of non name players with no awards.
Go ahead, wallow in your sorry that the bammers try to create, or say fuck em, and enjoy what's really going on. Auburn football is winning, we're not on probation, we're recruiting well, it's all good. It's not without bumps along the way, but nobody's program is. Ours bumps are just magnified by the local media, while bammes are swept under the rug or simply ignored.
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I don't either. I think it more or less indicates what kind of athlete you are gaining and not how good a kid will be.
I don't really even think it means that, I think it was a excellent hustle by some people to capitalize on the sport and make some big bucks.
I don't think coaches could give two shits about it. How's Boise States class been the last 5 years? How about Florida's?
Where is Michigan States last 4 classes been in relation to UGA's who I know have been in the top 10.
FSU has been in the top 5 for like the past 20 years so has Texas how have they been doing. It is so many factors really. To me I think it comes down more to coaching than anything else.
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Couple of questions for you...
Did you expect Gus to get a HC job sooner rather than later? If you're like most, you did, but now it seems that to some it's a complete shock.
Did you want Roof to be our DC next season? Expect him to be? Not if you have any sense, but now, it's a bad thing for some reason.
Did you expect to win 10 or 11 games, or compete for the SECW this year? Most outside of Auburn said we'd be going well to win 6. We won eight, but the entire focus isn't on over achieving in the win column, it's on the way we lost 3 of the 5.
Fact is you feel the way you do because you buy in to the constant stream of negativity that flows from the Finefuck show. And you don't have to listen to the show to hear it. Everything that happens at Auburn is spun negatively. Gus turned down Vandy, and everybody got that when it happened. It's a shitty job, and I don't give a fuck what Franklin did by having a glorious 6-7 season, it's a shit job. Go look at the list of Vandy coaches, and find one, just ONE that parlayed it in to a bigger, better job. It's a coach killer job. But, when Gus takes Ark. St., Vandy is suddenly painted as a "premier SEC job". "Gus could have been an SEC Head coach!". Vandy isn't "an SEC job" it's a job in the SEC.
Roof leaves, as we all wanted, and lands softly at UCF, and he is painted as wanting to be anywhere but Auburn. He left Auburn on his own for a lesser job. It's not portrayed the way we all know it went down with Gene telling him to find a new gig.
Player gets in trouble at bammer, is suspended or booted, Lord Saybinz is a stern disciplinarian. Same thing happens at Auburn, and Gene's program is out of control. Bammer OC takes a job at a non BCS school, where they have a home stadium capacity of 32,500, and a program that is a lifetime .471 winning %, and Oh, McElweenie is moving on up. Look what he's done for himself. Yippee. Gus goes to Ark St., stadium capacity of 31,00, and a lifetime winning % of .482, and he was "getting while the getting was good"..."He wanted to be anywhere but Auburn"...which is the case with all coaches at Auburn if you listen to bammers.
Recruiting isn't over. 9 more players will make a huge difference in the ranking, and they won't suddenly all turn out to be 2* scrubs either.
Learn that you don't win them all every year. We had a deficit of upperclassmen this year. If a NC is the high point, and 8-5 is the low point for this staff I can live with that. 2009, IMHO showed what Chiz can do. Last year was special, because of a load of Sr. players, and 2 very special players. Sorry, but nobody wins NCs without great players. They may not be Cam, but you won't find a team with a crystal ball that has a bunch of non name players with no awards.
Go ahead, wallow in your sorry that the bammers try to create, or say fuck em, and enjoy what's really going on. Auburn football is winning, we're not on probation, we're recruiting well, it's all good. It's not without bumps along the way, but nobody's program is. Ours bumps are just magnified by the local media, while bammes are swept under the rug or simply ignored.
This is also true.
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Eddie Goldman and Stephon Diggs are in the bag...man.
I don't know about Goldman, but I do know that Diggs is coming to campus on the 20th I believe and that we are going to be his last visit. I think Momma is traveling with her. Troop, Lupe, Thig and Chiz need to do their "thang" and lock this kid down.
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I don't either. I think it more or less indicates what kind of athlete you are gaining and not how good a kid will be.
Rankings are relative to the others in the class. Some 5 stars this year, might only be 4 stars in other years, and vice versa.
On the whole, the ranking system is as accurate as something that subjective can be, and it's reflected in the percentages of players in the NFL draft and their star rankings.
They do have to be coached as well, but some simply rise to the level of their incompetence too. Some aren't willing to put in the work required at the next level. They won't take the coaching. They've gotten by on simply being a man among boys, and give up when it becomes work. You can't measure or know those things ahead of time. A coach can't turn a no talent kid in to a star either. He might take a kid with marginal talent and get him to play hard and contribute, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
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He might take a kid with marginal talent and get him to play hard and contribute, but you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
Yes and no. There are always exceptions to this rule on both sides.
5 stars that are horrible and nobody's that turn out to be great. That is why I said I think it is bullshit.
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I'm not so quick to downplay the rating system other than to say I do believe there can definitely be some bias with certain teams and players. I think if you consistently get highly rated players, you will put yourself in the position to win championships. You cannot and will not do it without them. That being said, I'll agree with one thing from above. It does come down to coaching. And I think the UGA/MSU analogy above is a prime example. I honestly don't know and don't care what Meatchicken State's recruiting rankings are, but I know they get good enough talent to compete in the Big 127 and on a top 20 basis. But on the other side, as we all know, Richt has been pulling in top classes since he's been there. Whether it's an X's and O's thing or a motivation thing...he sucks in some particular area.
With the 85 scholarships and overall parity in college football, things will always be somewhat cyclical. But, if your classes are continually made up of 4*-5* guys, you will continually be at the top of the pile with a few Richt type exceptions. It just takes coaching to make it all come together.
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Yes and no. There are always exceptions to this rule on both sides.
5 stars that are horrible and nobody's that turn out to be great. That is why I said I think it is bullshit.
IMHO, the 5 stars that bust, do so most often due to attitude, not over estimated talent. The 2 or 3 star kids, that turn out to be stars? Combination of several things. Some is lack of HS coaching, but more often it is being late to mature physically, and then coaching. There's a reason all the coaches are clamoring for the 4 and 5 star players. If you could rely on coaching skills to simply create a player, wouldn't it make the recruiting process much easier seek out the kids 2 and 3 star kids that would give their left nut to play at a big time program, and just "coach 'em up"?
As I said before, it's a subjective system, and the coaches evaluate on the things they can measure at the time they evaluate. Kids do sometimes bloom late, and some kids do have shitty attitudes, and on both ends, some are simply miss evaluated, but I think they're in the minority by a long shot.
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Go ahead, wallow in your sorry that the bammers try to create, or say fuck em, and enjoy what's really going on. Auburn football is winning, we're not on probation, we're recruiting well, it's all good. It's not without bumps along the way, but nobody's program is. Ours bumps are just magnified by the local media, while bammes are swept under the rug or simply ignored.
I agree with what you're saying, an I'm not wallowing in my own sorrows (I have enough real life problems to wallow in), I guess I was just expecting to keep riding that NC wave through this year in recruiting.
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IMHO, the 5 stars that bust, do so most often due to attitude, not over estimated talent. The 2 or 3 star kids, that turn out to be stars? Combination of several things. Some is lack of HS coaching, but more often it is being late to mature physically, and then coaching. There's a reason all the coaches are clamoring for the 4 and 5 star players. If you could rely on coaching skills to simply create a player, wouldn't it make the recruiting process much easier seek out the kids 2 and 3 star kids that would give their left nut to play at a big time program, and just "coach 'em up"?
As I said before, it's a subjective system, and the coaches evaluate on the things they can measure at the time they evaluate. Kids do sometimes bloom late, and some kids do have shitty attitudes, and on both ends, some are simply miss evaluated, but I think they're in the minority by a long shot.
No... I agree with you and Snaggle.
I guess one of my biggest points is what truly differentiates a 4 star from a 5 star or 3 star for that matter? Yes, of course you need to get the good athletes to be a good team and yes the good athletes are going to be higher ranked. But is their significant difference between the #1 rated class and say the #20 rated class?
Coaches still recruited prior to Gore's invention of teh ebays, how did they do it back then. Again my point is too much emphasis is placed on what class you signed.
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I agree with what you're saying, an I'm not wallowing in my own sorrows (I have enough real life problems to wallow in), I guess I was just expecting to keep riding that NC wave through this year in recruiting.
At least wait until NSD to make that determination, huh?
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Don't get me wrong...all of the negative press has probably affected recruiting, and has probably done so to a significant degree. But don't blame it all on everyone else and forget about the team's shortcomings this season.
At the beginning of the season, it was predicted by pretty much everyone that this season was going to be shaky at best. You returned only seven starters, ranking Auburn 120th out of 120 schools.
Build up Utah State however you want, but the majority of the nation didn't look upon that close win favorably, especially as the season opener. For some wishy-washy recruits, it may have deterred them from Auburn early in the season, or at least cast doubts in their minds.
Blame the shitty defense on Roof, and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in, but from non-Auburn fans across the nation who could give a shit who your DC is and what he's doing, the defense looked poor, ending the regular season at 78th in the nation for overall defense, and 99th in the nation for run defense.
Despite having top recruiting classes for years, the QB situation was (and still is) horrendous. The offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country.
Last, but not least, history has shown that steep drop-offs in win-loss records for defending national champs are rare. Finishing 8-5 is not bad, but only one other defending national champion since 1992 has followed up with that record.
I completely agree that the negative press has played a significant part; all I'm adding is that you shouldn't overlook other negative aspects of the season which have had nothing to do with outside influences. Some blame has to be given to the generally shitty season coupled with the departure of coaches.
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Don't get me wrong...all of the negative press has probably affected recruiting, and has probably done so to a significant degree. But don't blame it all on everyone else and forget about the team's shortcomings this season.
At the beginning of the season, it was predicted by pretty much everyone that this season was going to be shaky at best. You returned only seven starters, ranking Auburn 120th out of 120 schools.
Build up Utah State however you want, but the majority of the nation didn't look upon that close win favorably, especially as the season opener. For some wishy-washy recruits, it may have deterred them from Auburn early in the season, or at least cast doubts in their minds.
Blame the shitty defense on Roof, and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in, but from non-Auburn fans across the nation who could give a shit who your DC is and what he's doing, the defense looked poor, ending the regular season at 78th in the nation for overall defense, and 99th in the nation for run defense.
Despite having top recruiting classes for years, the QB situation was (and still is) horrendous. The offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country.
Last, but not least, history has shown that steep drop-offs in win-loss records for defending national champs are rare. Finishing 8-5 is not bad, but only one other defending national champion since 1992 has followed up with that record.
I completely agree that the negative press has played a significant part; all I'm adding is that you shouldn't overlook other negative aspects of the season which have had nothing to do with outside influences. Some blame has to be given to the generally shitty season coupled with the departure of coaches.
How did LSU do in their next couple of years after that 5 loss season?
And just who the fuck do you think you are to come on here and talk to us about shitty seasons?
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Don't get me wrong...all of the negative press has probably affected recruiting, and has probably done so to a significant degree. But don't blame it all on everyone else and forget about the team's shortcomings this season.
At the beginning of the season, it was predicted by pretty much everyone that this season was going to be shaky at best. You returned only seven starters, ranking Auburn 120th out of 120 schools.
Build up Utah State however you want, but the majority of the nation didn't look upon that close win favorably, especially as the season opener. For some wishy-washy recruits, it may have deterred them from Auburn early in the season, or at least cast doubts in their minds.
Blame the shitty defense on Roof, and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in, but from non-Auburn fans across the nation who could give a shit who your DC is and what he's doing, the defense looked poor, ending the regular season at 78th in the nation for overall defense, and 99th in the nation for run defense.
Despite having top recruiting classes for years, the QB situation was (and still is) horrendous. The offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country.
Last, but not least, history has shown that steep drop-offs in win-loss records for defending national champs are rare. Finishing 8-5 is not bad, but only one other defending national champion since 1992 has followed up with that record.
I completely agree that the negative press has played a significant part; all I'm adding is that you shouldn't overlook other negative aspects of the season which have had nothing to do with outside influences. Some blame has to be given to the generally shitty season coupled with the departure of coaches.
Oh yeah? Well you just shut up, then.
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Build up Utah State however you want, but the majority of the nation didn't look upon that close win favorably, especially as the season opener. For some wishy-washy recruits, it may have deterred them from Auburn early in the season, or at least cast doubts in their minds.
It was those fucking Samoans.
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No... I agree with you and Snaggle.
I guess one of my biggest points is what truly differentiates a 4 star from a 5 star or 3 star for that matter? Yes, of course you need to get the good athletes to be a player and yes the good athletes are going to be higher ranked. But is their significant difference between the #1 rated class and say the #20 rated class?
Coaches still recruited prior to the invention of the internet, how did they do it back then. Again my point is too much emphasis is placed on what class you signed.
Yes, there is, IMHO. But, like the individual player that either matures late, or has a poor attitude, some classes over achieve, some underachieve. But at the time of the ranking, with all they have to measure, the top recruiting classes have the most potential. Some have cited programs like UGA, FSU, etc that they believe have underperformed while recruiting top 5 classes. It would appear that at times they have underperformed. I thought maybe Richt was burned out, but he seems to have made a comeback, at least a little. FSU? Well, we all know that Bowden was allowing the program to flounder. Jimbo has only been at it as the actual head guy for 2 seasons. He may be dealing with some poor attitudes left over from the Bowden days, just as Saybinz did post Shula. If he's stil 8-5 after 4 years, then I think you can rightly question his ability to be a HC. Slightly different situation at Florida, but somewhat the same. Meyer coasted his last year. They also have a QB that hasn't panned out, and had no real RB to run the system they were wanting to run, then had injuries on top of that. Give Coach Boom to year 4 to make an evaluation.
You're far, FAR more likely to find underachieving classes than a steady stream of #20 classes that wins an SECC, and a NC. Though Auburn had two classes ranked around #20 on the NC team, the 2007 and 2010 classes carried the team, and were top 5 and top 7 classes. What we saw in 2011 was the result of two #20 classes, depleted at that, combined with young talent.
Again, though, I think we're saying pretty much the same thing, but yeah, I believe the rankings are pretty accurate at predicting future performance.
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Don't get me wrong...all of the negative press has probably affected recruiting, and has probably done so to a significant degree. But don't blame it all on everyone else and forget about the team's shortcomings this season.
At the beginning of the season, it was predicted by pretty much everyone that this season was going to be shaky at best. You returned only seven starters, ranking Auburn 120th out of 120 schools.
Build up Utah State however you want, but the majority of the nation didn't look upon that close win favorably, especially as the season opener. For some wishy-washy recruits, it may have deterred them from Auburn early in the season, or at least cast doubts in their minds.
Blame the shitty defense on Roof, and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in, but from non-Auburn fans across the nation who could give a shit who your DC is and what he's doing, the defense looked poor, ending the regular season at 78th in the nation for overall defense, and 99th in the nation for run defense.
Despite having top recruiting classes for years, the QB situation was (and still is) horrendous. The offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country.
Last, but not least, history has shown that steep drop-offs in win-loss records for defending national champs are rare. Finishing 8-5 is not bad, but only one other defending national champion since 1992 has followed up with that record.
I completely agree that the negative press has played a significant part; all I'm adding is that you shouldn't overlook other negative aspects of the season which have had nothing to do with outside influences. Some blame has to be given to the generally shitty season coupled with the departure of coaches.
That makes no sense. You act like our blaming the defensive coordinator for having a shitty defense is ludicrous. Then, you insinuate it's bad because we have no talent. Talent is why we play shitty schemes? Talent is why we can't tackle? Talent is why we can't adjust when an offense is targeting an open spot? Talent is why we play 10 yard buffers off of WR's giving up the short route? No, that is coaching.
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How did LSU do in their next couple of years after that 5 loss season?
LSU was the only team since 1992 (prior to Auburn this year) to go 8-5 after their 2007 NC.
As far as LSU's seasons subsequent to the 8-5 season, that's not what is being discussed here. Unless, of course, you have a flux capacitor and a Delorean which have allowed you to compare Auburn's 2012 and 2013 seasons to LSU's 2009 and 2010 seasons.
Regardless, the point here is that this season has had an effect on your recruiting for this year. What happens over the next couple of seasons is not only unknown, but isn't really relevant to the issue of current recruits and why they aren't rolling in like some of you want.
And just who the fuck do you think you are to come on here and talk to us about shitty seasons?
Someone who can look at your season with an outsider's perspective like most recruits have.
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As for Roof, no he didn't have 1/3'rd or 41% of the talent he had last year. Last year was a senior dominated D with one very, very disruptive player. And they still gave up 30+ points 4 times. He sucked ballz with or without talent..period.
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That makes no sense. You act like our blaming the defensive coordinator for having a shitty defense is ludicrous.
No. What I am saying is that, from a recruit's perspective, they don't really care who your DC was. What they saw was a shitty defense, and that hurts Auburn in their eyes. Period.
Blame the defense on whatever you want to blame it on. Your blame may be rightly placed, or it may be subjectively imposed in an attempt to make yourself feel better about the team and their prospects in the future. My only point is that a shitty season, regardless of the cause, is going to impact a recruit's opinion on the team.
Additionally, let's not act like the prospect of having a new, yet to be identified DC is some sort of selling point to a recruit. While getting rid of Roof may alleviate some of your problems, recruits have no idea who this new DC will be or how he will perform. You're asking recruits to walk into an unknown situation, and that's not exactly a positive.
Then, you insinuate it's bad because we have no talent.
Again, no. I acknowledged that Auburn had successful recruiting for the past several years. All I said in regard to talent was that despite having good recruiting classes, the QB situation was horrendous this year, and the team's offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country. The defense also didn't do so hot despite great recruiting. If you can't agree that the QB situation was horrendous, that the offense floundered, and that the defense did poorly, then there's obviously some rose-tinted bias going on here.
Is it because of a lack of talent? One would think not, given the level of recruiting in recent years. But I don't call curling up into the fetal position "talent." Is it because of coaching? Maybe...we haven't really seen these players under a new DC and a new OC who have had time to coach them. But yet again, my only point is that shitty seasons affect recruiting.
Place the blame for that shitty season wherever you like, but recruits still see a shitty season. Everything can't be blamed on the media when there have been obvious faults elsewhere.
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No. What I am saying is that, from a recruit's perspective, they don't really care who your DC was. What they saw was a shitty defense, and that hurts Auburn in their eyes. Period.
Blame the defense on whatever you want to blame it on. Your blame may be rightly placed, or it may be subjectively imposed in an attempt to make yourself feel better about the team and their prospects in the future. My only point is that a shitty season, regardless of the cause, is going to impact a recruit's opinion on the team.
Additionally, let's not act like the prospect of having a new, yet to be identified DC is some sort of selling point to a recruit. While getting rid of Roof may alleviate some of your problems, recruits have no idea who this new DC will be or how he will perform. You're asking recruits to walk into an unknown situation, and that's not exactly a positive.
Again, no. I acknowledged that Auburn had successful recruiting for the past several years. All I said in regard to talent was that despite having good recruiting classes, the QB situation was horrendous this year, and the team's offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country. The defense also didn't do so hot despite great recruiting. If you can't agree that the QB situation was horrendous, that the offense floundered, and that the defense did poorly, then there's obviously some rose-tinted bias going on here.
Is it because of a lack of talent? One would think not, given the level of recruiting in recent years. But I don't call curling up into the fetal position "talent." Is it because of coaching? Maybe...we haven't really seen these players under a new DC and a new OC who have had time to coach them. But yet again, my only point is that shitty seasons affect recruiting.
Place the blame for that shitty season wherever you like, but recruits still see a shitty season. Everything can't be blamed on the media when there have been obvious faults elsewhere.
Do you seriously think you have any insight whatsoever in to what "recruits" (as a whole) or any individual recruits sees and thinks? Any at all? You seriously think a recruit just goes to a game on a visit and sees a lackluster performance and says to himself: "yep, they suck, I'm not coming here". You really think it's that simple a process?
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This may be a poor example of talent to team but here it goes. A couple of years ago my softball team went out to Steamboat Springs Co to compete in a tournament. We were at best a marginal team but had been together all year and place 7th out of 145 teams. The following year the team as a whole stayed together but when it came time for us to go to the tournament we dropped who we thought were our weak players and picked up some studs. We went 2-2 and had a bad time.
The first year we just had a much better (team) second year we had much better players but did alot worst.
My point is that I would rather have a bunch of guys that want to be here and gel as a team. That is the coaches job to make that happen.
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No. What I am saying is that, from a recruit's perspective, they don't really care who your DC was. What they saw was a shitty defense, and that hurts Auburn in their eyes. Period.
Blame the defense on whatever you want to blame it on. Your blame may be rightly placed, or it may be subjectively imposed in an attempt to make yourself feel better about the team and their prospects in the future. My only point is that a shitty season, regardless of the cause, is going to impact a recruit's opinion on the team.
Additionally, let's not act like the prospect of having a new, yet to be identified DC is some sort of selling point to a recruit. While getting rid of Roof may alleviate some of your problems, recruits have no idea who this new DC will be or how he will perform. You're asking recruits to walk into an unknown situation, and that's not exactly a positive.
Again, no. I acknowledged that Auburn had successful recruiting for the past several years. All I said in regard to talent was that despite having good recruiting classes, the QB situation was horrendous this year, and the team's offense finished the regular season ranked 104th in the country. If you can't agree that the QB situation was horrendous and that the offense floundered, then there's obviously some rose-tinted bias going on here.
Is it because of a lack of talent? One would think not, given the level of recruiting in recent years. But I don't call curling up into the fetal position "talent." Is it because of coaching? Maybe...we haven't really seen these players under a new DC and a new OC who have had time to coach them. But yet again, my only point is that shitty seasons affect recruiting.
Place the blame for that shitty season wherever you like, but recruits still see a shitty season. Everything can't be blamed on the media when there have been obvious faults elsewhere.
1. That statement is terribly wrong. Recruits 100% care about who the coordinator is/was and sometimes make their decision based soley on that. I can't tell you how many recruits said they wanted to come to Auburn because of Malzahn's offense. I.e. Dyer, Reed, Newton, Blake (transferred from UF), etc... Same thing with defense/Chizik/Rocker/Roof. I would say that is one of the three main things they consider. A recruit that did not want to go to Auburn because Roof ran a terrible defense might reconsider.
Additionally, recruits go to schools all the time and say, "I chose Auburn because they are hurting on defense and I can play right away." Happens every year. If it didn't, how would teams get better? For example, just off the top of my head, Enrique Florence from last years class. Therefore, it doesn't "hurt Auburn in their (recruits) eyes. Period", it actually does quite the opposite in some cases.
2. Of course its a selling point. "Hi recruit, you know that shitty defense we had last year, well, It's going to be awesome next year. We fired Roof, our DC who was the problem. We are going to hire a new spectacular DC that will make Auburn a defensive powerhouse." New = better = fresh start =high hopes, generally how it works in a game like College Football.
3. No, you didn't. The ONLY thing you said in your first post regarding the defensive talent was, "and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in." That statement insinuates that we don't have talent, no matter what you say after the fact.
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Hey Vandy, I don't think anyone should be taking an opinion seriously from a gay Commodore especially when it comes to young boys/men.
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Do you seriously think you have any insight whatsoever in to what "recruits" (as a whole) or any individual recruits sees and thinks? Any at all? You seriously think a recruit just goes to a game on a visit and sees a lackluster performance and says to himself: "yep, they suck, I'm not coming here". You really think it's that simple a process?
It wasn't one bad game; it was a statistically bad season.
Aside from that, no, it's not as simple as only looking at the team's performance. Other factors are considered, yes, but let's not look past the bad season and solely accuse the media for not meeting your expectations in recruiting.
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It wasn't one bad game; it was a statistically bad season.
Aside from that, no, it's not as simple as only looking at the team's performance. Other factors are considered, yes, but let's not look past the bad season and solely accuse the media for not meeting your expectations in recruiting.
I'm sorry, did I pass out drunk and wake up on Feb 2? Your entire line of shit in this thread is full of dumbass.
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1. That statement is terribly wrong. Recruits 100% care about who the coordinator is/was and sometimes make their decision based soley on that.
Fine. You currently have no DC or OC. How about we place some of the recruiting blame on that then, instead of pointing at the media and acting like it is the sole reason for recruiting failures?
Additionally, recruits go to schools all the time and say, "I chose Auburn because they are hurting on defense and I can play right away."
For every recruit that says that, there are probably five more that want to go to a better team where they think they'll get more media attention and a better chance at national success. Otherwise, if every recruit had that opinion, then we'd see five stars flocking to Nevada.
2. Of course its a selling point. "Hi recruit, you know that shitty defense we had last year, well, It's going to be awesome next year. We fired Roof, our DC who was the problem. We are going to hire a new spectacular DC that will make Auburn a defensive powerhouse." New = better = fresh start =high hopes, generally how it works in a game like College Football.
But it's a difficult selling point. It's not a guaranteed positive in every recruit's mind. You can insure them about how shitty Roof was all you want, but ultimately you're asking them to step into an unknown situation. Who's going to be developing me defensively (aside from position-specific coaches) at this school? I don't know. Who's going to be developing me offensively (aside from position-specific coaches)? I don't know.
3. No, you didn't. The ONLY thing you said in your first post regarding the defensive talent was, "and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in." That statement insinuates that we don't have talent, no matter what you say after the fact.
Yes, taken out of context that statement reads that way. But read the rest:
Blame the shitty defense on Roof, and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in, but from non-Auburn fans across the nation who could give a shit who your DC is and what he's doing, the defense looked poor, ending the regular season at 78th in the nation for overall defense, and 99th in the nation for run defense.
My point was that you can try to explain why things were shitty to non-Auburn fans, but overall they still see a shitty result. Will they believe your explanations? Will they want to buy into a team that didn't perform well, but who now promises that they will do better? Who knows, but it's definitely hurtful to the recruiting process. And now there's no DC, so how things are going to move forward from this lackluster season is unknown.
Again, I'm not saying that the media had no effect on recruiting. And I'm not even saying that the results of this past season is the reason why recruiting is not going as well as you guys had hoped. All I'm saying is that you have to admit that the season was bad in many ways, and that this does have an effect on recruits; the blame shouldn't be solely given to the media as if Auburn did everything right this year.
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I'm sorry, did I pass out drunk and wake up on Feb 2? Your entire line of shit in this thread is full of dumbass.
I'm simply responding to those who are grumbling about how recruiting is not going as they expected, and that it's due to the media.
If you think it's a dumbass position to criticize recruiting before it's completed, then take it up with the people complaining about how shitty recruiting is.
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I think recruiting is going exactly as expected with the exception of TJ Yeldon being a back stabbing pathetic prick. Other than that, I expect a top 5 class before it's all said and done.
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I think recruiting is going exactly as expected with the exception of TJ Yeldon being a back stabbing pathetic prick. Other than that, I expect a top 5 class before it's all said and done.
Yep...go to the crootin board and see the lists of player that are still uncommitted and have Auburn on their list with medium or high interest level. I'm not the least bit worried.
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Fine. You currently have no DC or OC. How about we place some of the recruiting blame on that then, instead of pointing at the media and acting like it is the sole reason for recruiting failures?
I blame Alabama for cheating. In all seriousness though, we are recruiting well.
For every recruit that says that, there are probably five more that want to go to a better team where they think they'll get more media attention and a better chance at national success. Otherwise, if every recruit had that opinion, then we'd see five stars flocking to Nevada.
Debatable, and unprovable. I recall many more recruits saying, I want to go there and play early...instead of, I want to go to ________ and sit for two years. Also, every year there are several four and five star recruits that go to smaller schools. Last night, during the Under Armor game, one of the highest rated recruits chose East Carolina over USCe.
But it's a difficult selling point. It's not a guaranteed positive in every recruit's mind. You can insure them about how shitty Roof was all you want, but ultimately you're asking them to step into an unknown situation. Who's going to be developing me defensively (aside from position-specific coaches) at this school? I don't know. Who's going to be developing me offensively (aside from position-specific coaches)? I don't know.
Not really. If you are on the bottom, the only way you can move is up. Nothing is a guaranteed positive in any recruits mind. Sometimes, a kid just wants to go where he wants to go, regardless.
Yes, taken out of context that statement reads that way. But read the rest:
My point was that you can try to explain why things were shitty to non-Auburn fans, but overall they still see a shitty result. Will they believe your explanations? Will they want to buy into a team that didn't perform well, but who now promises that they will do better? Who knows, but it's definitely hurtful to the recruiting process. And now there's no DC, so how things are going to move forward from this lackluster season is unknown.
As a recruiter, you've already lost if you walk in their with that attitude/mindset. 8 - 5 is not a shitty result. It is mediocre, and with what was expected from Auburn this year, it exceeded most non-Auburn fans expectations. Most recruits aren't Auburn fans. You sell them on all the young players returning next year, immediate playing time, improvement, etc.
Again, I'm not saying that the media had no effect on recruiting. And I'm not even saying that the results of this past season is the reason why recruiting is not going as well as you guys had hoped. All I'm saying is that you have to admit that the season was bad in many ways, and that this does have an effect on recruits; the blame shouldn't be solely given to the media as if Auburn did everything right this year.
The State of Alabama has a huge Bammer bias. Not that it matters or is going to change.
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1. That statement is terribly wrong. Recruits 100% care about who the coordinator is/was and sometimes make their decision based soley on that. I can't tell you how many recruits said they wanted to come to Auburn because of Malzahn's offense. I.e. Dyer, Reed, Newton, Blake (transferred from UF), etc... Same thing with defense/Chizik/Rocker/Roof. I would say that is one of the three main things they consider. A recruit that did not want to go to Auburn because Roof ran a terrible defense might reconsider.
Additionally, recruits go to schools all the time and say, "I chose Auburn because they are hurting on defense and I can play right away." Happens every year. If it didn't, how would teams get better? For example, just off the top of my head, Enrique Florence from last years class. Therefore, it doesn't "hurt Auburn in their (recruits) eyes. Period", it actually does quite the opposite in some cases.
2. Of course its a selling point. "Hi recruit, you know that shitty defense we had last year, well, It's going to be awesome next year. We fired Roof, our DC who was the problem. We are going to hire a new spectacular DC that will make Auburn a defensive powerhouse." New = better = fresh start =high hopes, generally how it works in a game like College Football.
3. No, you didn't. The ONLY thing you said in your first post regarding the defensive talent was, "and try your best to explain to everyone that you've got talent and that the defense will be better once a new DC is in." That statement insinuates that we don't have talent, no matter what you say after the fact.
QUESTION:
Are you guys like literally an office away from each other?
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QUESTION:
Are you guys like literally an office away from each other?
We are worlds apart.
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QUESTION:
Are you guys like literally an office away from each other?
Yes, but they insist on bringing their bullshit to the X.
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QUESTION:
Are you guys like literally an office away from each other?
I just emailed my partner in the next room and told him how dumb these two look.
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I just emailed my partner in the next room and told him how dumb these two look.
Now, walk in there and ask him if he got your email.
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Debatable, and unprovable. I recall many more recruits saying, I want to go there and play early...instead of, I want to go to ________ and sit for two years.
If every recruit's number one concern was going to a team who has done poorly where they will get to play early, then we wouldn't see five stars going to traditional powerhouses with media attention. Instead, we'd see far more than just a handful of five stars going to shitty schools.
Don't get me wrong; I know that players often do go to teams where they can play immediately and help out. But not every recruit is of that opinion. And we can't definitively say that all of the recruits that Auburn is targeting should be flocking to Auburn because they need help on defense; recruits base their decisions on a variety of factors.
However, my main point is that if we're trying to figure out possible reasons as to why X, Y, or Z recruit decided not to go to Auburn, then you have to look at everything. You can't point the entirety of the blame elsewhere by fingering the media when there were obviously faults with Auburn this season.
Not really. If you are on the bottom, the only way you can move is up.
Sure, but this is not a selling point for every recruit. If it were, then Florida Atlantic would have a better recruiting class than Auburn.
The reason why a recruit chooses or doesn't choose a school is multi-faceted. You continue to point to specific reasons that may cause some recruits to consider Auburn. All I keep pointing out is that a mediocre season (8-5) with less than mediocre statistical rankings (78th in defense, 104th in offense) is a (not the) reason that some (not all) recruits may not be choosing Auburn. The absence of a DC and OC, and the uncertainty of who will be replacing them, are some reasons (not the reason) to consider when questioning why certain recruits didn't choose Auburn. You can't place blame solely with the media when you look at this season's results; there are too many factors at play.
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Now, walk in there and ask him if he got your email.
And get up out of this chair? Besides, he replied quickly.
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QUESTION:
Are you guys like literally an office away from each other?
FYI, we also communicate via instant messenger, Facebook, MySpace, Match.com, and BlackSingles.com.
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Yes, but they insist on bringing their bullshit to the X.
You love my bullshit.
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FYI, we also communicate via instant messenger, Facebook, MySpace, Match.com, and BlackSingles.com.
So, that's not you on plentyoffish.com?
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However, my main point is that if we're trying to figure out possible reasons as to why X, Y, or Z recruit decided not to go to Auburn, then you have to look at everything try and read their mind, or act like you can read their mind to know why, and take up bandwidth on an already stressed server posing mindless jibberish telling what you "know".
fixt
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So, that's not you on plentyoffish.com?
Shhh! Stop giving all of my secrets away...
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If every recruit's number one concern was going to a team who has done poorly where they will get to play early, then we wouldn't see five stars going to traditional powerhouses with media attention. Instead, we'd see far more than just a handful of five stars going to shitty schools.
Don't get me wrong; I know that players often do go to teams where they can play immediately and help out. But not every recruit is of that opinion. And we can't definitively say that all of the recruits that Auburn is targeting should be flocking to Auburn because they need help on defense; recruits base their decisions on a variety of factors.
I didn't say that.
However, my main point is that if we're trying to figure out possible reasons as to why X, Y, or Z recruit decided not to go to Auburn, then you have to look at everything. You can't point the entirety of the blame elsewhere by fingering the media when there were obviously faults with Auburn this season.
Sure, but this is not a selling point for every recruit. If it were, then Florida Atlantic would have a better recruiting class than Auburn.
The reason why a recruit chooses or doesn't choose a school is multi-faceted. You continue to point to specific reasons that may cause some recruits to consider Auburn. All I keep pointing out is that a mediocre season (8-5) with less than mediocre statistical rankings (78th in defense, 104th in offense) is a (not the) reason that some (not all) recruits may not be choosing Auburn. The absence of a DC and OC, and the uncertainty of who will be replacing them, are some reasons (not the reason) to consider when questioning why certain recruits didn't choose Auburn. You can't place blame solely with the media when you look at this season's results; there are too many factors at play.
I never placed blame elsewhere, I stated that your comment insinuating we have no talent on defense and us blaming Roof is...somehow...wrong, is incorrect. It doesn't "hurt" us exponentially.
Apples and oranges. We are Auburn and not Florida Atlantic. We are in the SEC. We won a National Championship last year.
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Fixt.
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VV,
If you're all up in croot's heads, tell me what makes a kid like this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4) with offers from Miami, USCe, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, etc, choose the East Fucking Carolina Pirates? I gots to know. Saw this kid last night make this committment. First thing I took from it was the kid was EXTREMELY stressed or nervous about declaring...when asked to give it, almost acted like he didn't want to, then hung his head, mumbled "oh shit" on national TV, and chose the butt pirates. I was like, how is ECU even in the conversation with USCe and Miami, which were his final 3? Then I was like :wtf:
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I didn't say that.
I know this, but you've pointed to Auburn's mediocre performance and "no where but up" explanation as if it's a stellar reason for recruits to go to Auburn. It's a reason for some recruits to go to Auburn, but not all. Thus, if certain targeted recruits decline to go to Auburn, one can't jump to the conclusion that it was surely caused by something external (such as the media) and had nothing to do with the recent season, because obviously our coaches gave them the fool proof "no where but up" spiel that every recruit should blindly accept.
I never placed blame elsewhere . . .
I know you didn't, but you responded to my post which was directed at those who did. Maybe I should have said "one can't say" instead of "you can't say."
I stated that your comment insinuating we have no talent on defense and us blaming Roof is...somehow...wrong, is incorrect. It doesn't "hurt" us exponentially.
A bad year hurts you. Not with every recruit, no. And even with recruits who have their opinions changed by a bad year, it may not make them turn away from Auburn completely. But it would be rather silly to say that a statistically bad year with both poor offensive and defensive showings does not hurt you in some way as far as recruiting.
And again, I never said that blaming Roof is wrong; I said that as hard as you may try to explain that to non-Auburn fans, many people are simply going to see a bad defensive year and not care about the cause. Many people are going to look at players like Neiko Thorpe and say that the talent was lacking as well. And sure, many people are going to look at Roof and agree it was his fault, but you can't expect recruits to believe every explanation that the recruiters give to them. If they did, you'd never lose a potential recruit.
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FYI, we also communicate via instant messenger, Facebook, MySpace, Match.com, and BlackSingles.com.
Plus the glory hole between the offices
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VV,
If you're all up in croot's heads, tell me what makes a kid like this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4) with offers from Miami, USCe, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, etc, choose the East Fucking Carolina Pirates? I gots to know. Saw this kid last night make this committment. First thing I took from it was the kid was EXTREMELY stressed or nervous about declaring...when asked to give it, almost acted like he didn't want to, then hung his head, mumbled "oh shit" on national TV, and chose the butt pirates. I was like, how is ECU even in the conversation with USCe and Miami, which were his final 3? Then I was like :wtf:
I honestly don't know where you're getting this nonsense about how I'm claiming to be in recruits' heads.
All I am saying is that when recruiting doesn't go the way you (not you specifically, just a general "you") wanted it to after a statistically bad season, then maybe, just maybe, one of the reasons that you are losing targeted recruits is because of the bad season.
I'm not saying that every recruit that is lost is due to the bad season. It could have been due to Bama cheating, or Finebaum being an asshole, or the alignment of the stars, or any number of things. However, all I'm saying is that one thing that you should consider is the previous bad season; all of the blame shouldn't be placed upon external causes as if you executed a flawless season and every recruit should want to come to your school, and if they don't, then obviously the media is fucking with their head.
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I honestly don't know where you're getting this nonsense about how I'm claiming to be in recruits' heads.
All I am saying is that when recruiting doesn't go the way you (not you specifically, just a general "you") wanted it to after a statistically bad season, then maybe, just maybe, one of the reasons that you are losing targeted recruits is because of the bad season.
I'm not saying that every recruit that is lost is due to the bad season. It could have been due to Bama cheating, or Finebaum being an asshole, or the alignment of the stars, or any number of things. However, all I'm saying is that one thing that you should consider is the previous bad season; all of the blame shouldn't be placed upon external causes as if you executed a flawless season and every recruit should want to come to your school, and if they don't, then obviously the media is fucking with their head.
3 lawyers going at it about who is right. I like it. Our plan is working.
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3 lawyers going at it about who is right. I like it. Our plan is working.
Your plan is lame. You should have devised a plan that made three lawyers "go at it," if you know what I mean.
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Your plan is lame. You should have devised a plan that made three lawyers "go at it," if you know what I mean.
Or as you know it, Tuesday night.
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Your plan is lame. You should have devised a plan that made three lawyers "go at it," if you know what I mean.
That's your thing, not mine. Remember?
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Your plan is lame. You should have devised a plan that made three lawyers "go at it," if you know what I mean.
Or as you know it, Tuesday night.
They called it "Tuesday de-briefing"
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Or as you know it, Tuesday night.
Only when Wes is in town.
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That's your thing, not mine. Remember?
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Well, I guess assuming the lawyers going at it aren't Kimberly Guilfoyle, Megyn Kelly and Lis Weihl. I'd be glad to watch those 3 go at it.
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What the fuck just happened? Are we still on for happy hour?
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This whole thread is...
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VV,
If you're all up in croot's heads, tell me what makes a kid like this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Thompson-123232;_ylt=AvvFREjmFPV0ojyLlp1KSLNDPZB4) with offers from Miami, USCe, WVU, Kentucky, Louisville, etc, choose the East Fucking Carolina Pirates? I gots to know. Saw this kid last night make this committment. First thing I took from it was the kid was EXTREMELY stressed or nervous about declaring...when asked to give it, almost acted like he didn't want to, then hung his head, mumbled "oh shit" on national TV, and chose the butt pirates. I was like, how is ECU even in the conversation with USCe and Miami, which were his final 3? Then I was like :wtf:
I would guess grades. But that's just a guess.
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I would guess grades. But that's just a guess.
Three commits in a row last night chose a school very close to home including Ward, the kid from MD and the above mentioned to East Carolina.
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I didn't read everyone's posts, so I'm not sure if this has been stated...
The year after LSU won the '07 BCSNC...check their record (8-5), how bad they were beaten in their loses (#12 UF 51-21, #9 UGA 52-38, #1 uat 27-21, Ole Miss 31-13, Arkansas 31-30), notice their Bowl game (Chic Fil-a Bowl against GT). LSU didn't have to replace nearly every starter across the board, some of their backups, play one of the toughest schedules in the Country and have to go against "the machine" during that season.
Where are they now?
I'm not saying that in a few years Auburn will back in the NC Game (12/21/12 could end that thought), but what I'm saying is that Coach Chizik needs to have all of his focus on the OC & DC hires, fuck recruiting for now....make the best hire possible, then blaze a path through the prospects that are still on board with Auburn, still on the "Hotboard" or committed elsewhere. Build for the future, fuck everything else.
Let the coaches do what they do and Auburn fans stop fucking worrying about every damn thing. Let the Head Man make the OC/DC hires and let him show the recruits that Auburn isn't going anywhere, but up.
$5 says that whomever Coach Chizik brings in as OC or DC, there will be Auburn fans that have a problem with them.
"Perception is a powerful tool." - The Prowler
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I didn't read everyone's posts, so I'm not sure if this has been stated...
The year after LSU won the '07 BCSNC...check their record (8-5), how bad they were beaten in their loses (#12 UF 51-21, #9 UGA 52-38, #1 uat 27-21, Ole Miss 31-13, Arkansas 31-30), notice their Bowl game (Chic Fil-a Bowl against GT). LSU didn't have to replace nearly every starter across the board, some of their backups, play one of the toughest schedules in the Country and have to go against "the machine" during that season.
Where are they now?
I'm not saying that in a few years Auburn will back in the NC Game (12/21/12 could end that thought), but what I'm saying is that Coach Chizik needs to have all of his focus on the OC & DC hires, fuck recruiting for now....make the best hire possible, then blaze a path through the prospects that are still on board with Auburn, still on the "Hotboard" or committed elsewhere. Build for the future, fuck everything else.
Let the coaches do what they do and Auburn fans stop fucking worrying about every damn thing. Let the Head Man make the OC/DC hires and let him show the recruits that Auburn isn't going anywhere, but up.
$5 says that whomever Coach Chizik brings in as OC or DC, there will be Auburn fans that have a problem with them.
"Perception is a powerful tool." - The Prowler
I've been all around the boards and the opinions are all over the place. I'm not much in favor of an in -house promotion but then you run the risk of losing stellar recruiters and/or staff members the players really like over a guy that might only stay a year or so like a Ron Zook. I have no idea where this is going but as a fan I'm very content with Chizik's hires so far. We will probably know something by weeks end and can make up some ground in recruiting. Still of all the kids we have seen in the two all-star games that were ready to announce, I only sensed that Ward and possibly Bush were real possibilities and in the end they both wanted to stay close to home.
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I didn't read everyone's posts, so I'm not sure if this has been stated...
The year after LSU won the '07 BCSNC...check their record (8-5), how bad they were beaten in their loses (#12 UF 51-21, #9 UGA 52-38, #1 uat 27-21, Ole Miss 31-13, Arkansas 31-30), notice their Bowl game (Chic Fil-a Bowl against GT). LSU didn't have to replace nearly every starter across the board, some of their backups, play one of the toughest schedules in the Country and have to go against "the machine" during that season.
Where are they now?
I'm not saying that in a few years Auburn will back in the NC Game (12/21/12 could end that thought), but what I'm saying is that Coach Chizik needs to have all of his focus on the OC & DC hires, fuck recruiting for now....make the best hire possible, then blaze a path through the prospects that are still on board with Auburn, still on the "Hotboard" or committed elsewhere. Build for the future, fuck everything else.
Let the coaches do what they do and Auburn fans stop fucking worrying about every damn thing. Let the Head Man make the OC/DC hires and let him show the recruits that Auburn isn't going anywhere, but up.
$5 says that whomever Coach Chizik brings in as OC or DC, there will be Auburn fans that have a problem with them.
"Perception is a powerful tool." - The Prowler
Recruiting is the future. You never put it on the back burner.
Scouring the planet for the next offensive/defensive genius is overblown by fans.
As for some fans having problems with the hires...you can fucking bank on it, no matter who it is.
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The year after LSU won the '07 BCSNC...check their record (8-5), how bad they were beaten in their loses (#12 UF 51-21, #9 UGA 52-38, #1 uat 27-21, Ole Miss 31-13, Arkansas 31-30), notice their Bowl game (Chic Fil-a Bowl against GT). LSU didn't have to replace nearly every starter across the board, some of their backups, play one of the toughest schedules in the Country and have to go against "the machine" during that season.
Where are they now?
I'm not saying that in a few years Auburn will back in the NC Game (12/21/12 could end that thought), but what I'm saying is that Coach Chizik needs to have all of his focus on the OC & DC hires, fuck recruiting for now....
If you're using LSU as a comparable measuring stick and suggesting that Auburn might be in a much better place in several years, then you also need to look at LSU's recruiting after their 8-5 season. They had the #2 recruiting class in 2009.
Is this the reason they bounced back so quickly? Maybe, maybe not, but it's certainly one factor that needs to be included in the comparison. Like JR said, recruiting is the future.
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Recruiting is the future. You never put it on the back burner.
Scouring the planet for the next offensive/defensive genius is overblown by fans.
As for some fans having problems with the hires...you can fucking bank on it, no matter who it is.
Nobody puts recruiting in a corner
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Right now, recruiting goes to the corner...ALL of the focus should be on bring in the right coaches. If the right coaches are brought in, CGC and the new coaches will make up the lost time (90% of it would be during the Dead Period).
The Coaches are the Backbone of any University, the recruits are the Life Blood.
And yes, I'm using LSU as an example...to show the Auburn fanbase (the ones that have sand between their legs) that all is not lost, regardless of what the media wants us to believe (LSU also replaced coaches after that season too).
Once CGC brings in the Coordinators, then the focus, by the HC and new Coordinators can turn to the prospects (the assistant coaches are still focused on keeping the prospects committed and talking to interested prospects). It will be easier for the prospect to know what kind of Offense or Defense he'd be in, if he's considering Auburn, by talking to the newly appointed Coordinators. It's not that hard to understand.
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Right now, recruiting goes to the corner...ALL of the focus should be on bring in the right coaches. If the right coaches are brought in, CGC and the new coaches will make up the lost time (90% of it would be during the Dead Period).
The Coaches are the Backbone of any University, the recruits are the Life Blood.
And yes, I'm using LSU as an example...to show the Auburn fanbase (the ones that have sand between their legs) that all is not lost, regardless of what the media wants us to believe (LSU also replaced coaches after that season too).
Once CGC brings in the Coordinators, then the focus, by the HC and new Coordinators can turn to the prospects (the assistant coaches are still focused on keeping the prospects committed and talking to interested prospects). It will be easier for the prospect to know what kind of Offense or Defense he'd be in, if he's considering Auburn, by talking to the newly appointed Coordinators. It's not that hard to understand.
I would have to agree with JR here. Recruiting should never go on the back burner. And how the hell are they going to make up ground when 90% of that period will be a dead period, as you stated? Or am I just not understanding what you mean by that statement?
Chizik needs to put it out there that they are not going to radically change the offense, defense, etc. That is if he does in fact plan on keeping an offense similar to Gus'. I think the fact that his offense is "his offense" is kind of what is causing some recruits to wait and see right now. When you run an offense like his, it's going to be difficult to plug somebody else into that who has a similar offense who knows it as well as Malzahn IMO. That may force AU to go a different direction. Maybe it won't. Nobody has really put it out there what direction Chizik intends to go. That may be all some kids need as reassurance; maybe not.
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I would have to agree with JR here. Recruiting should never go on the back burner. And how the hell are they going to make up ground when 90% of that period will be a dead period, as you stated? Or am I just not understanding what you mean by that statement?
Chizik needs to put it out there that they are not going to radically change the offense, defense, etc. That is if he does in fact plan on keeping an offense similar to Gus'. I think the fact that his offense is "his offense" is kind of what is causing some recruits to wait and see right now. When you run an offense like his, it's going to be difficult to plug somebody else into that who has a similar offense who knows it as well as Malzahn IMO. That may force AU to go a different direction. Maybe it won't. Nobody has really put it out there what direction Chizik intends to go. That may be all some kids need as reassurance; maybe not.
Take a lesson:
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Julio at a T-Town Menswear party doing what you do best:
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Right now, recruiting goes to the corner...ALL of the focus should be on bring in the right coaches.
I got a feeling that Chiz can actually handle both at once, but recruiting takes a back seat to nothing.
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I got a feeling that Chiz can actually handle both at once, but recruiting takes a back seat to nothing.
It takes a backseat right now, regardless what you or anyone else thinks. ALL of the HC's focus should be on bringing in the right coach the assistant coaches can still recruit, because it's not their job to hire coaches. It's not that hard to understand (I've said that twice now, so apparently it is).
rws, 90% of the lost time in recruiting prospects, while searching for coaches, was done during the dead period (where a coach can only contact a prospect once a week via telephone).
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It takes a backseat right now, regardless what you or anyone else thinks. ALL of the HC's focus should be on bringing in the right coach the assistant coaches can still recruit, because it's not their job to hire coaches. It's not that hard to understand (I've said that twice now, so apparently it is).
rws, 90% of the lost time in recruiting prospects, while searching for coaches, was done during the dead period (where a coach can only contact a prospect once a week via telephone).
Recruiting NEVER takes a back seat. NEVER!
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Recruiting NEVER takes a back seat. NEVER!
Zack Lee
Effing THIS ^^^
I knew of a former coach who put recruiting on the back seat a time or two. Things didnt work out too well because of it.
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Zack Lee
Effing THIS ^^^
I knew of a former coach who took put recruiting on the back seat a time or two. Things didnt work out too well because of it.
You can actually look for/hire coaches and recruit at 100%. It's called multi-tasking. Neither has to take a back seat, and I don't get why anybody would think otherwise, or why complete focus on finding exactly the right coach is needed. Chiz will interview interested coaches, decide who does things the way he wants them done, and go from there. It's not rocket surgery.
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It's not rocket surgery.
Now don't you go "raping" people over the coals thinking you are the smartest bulb in the knife drawer.
Geez man, why don't you make like a tree and get out of here before I make a conceited effort to reply.
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Chizik needs to put it out there that they are not going to radically change the offense, defense, etc. That is if he does in fact plan on keeping an offense similar to Gus'. I think the fact that his offense is "his offense" is kind of what is causing some recruits to wait and see right now. When you run an offense like his, it's going to be difficult to plug somebody else into that who has a similar offense who knows it as well as Malzahn IMO. That may force AU to go a different direction. Maybe it won't. Nobody has really put it out there what direction Chizik intends to go. That may be all some kids need as reassurance; maybe not.
^That's why a OC & DC hire needs to be done^
Coach Chizik has stated that he's going to look over both sides and make the decision that would be the best fit for Auburn (meaning, we might stick with the Spread, go with the Wishbone or anywhere in between on Offense and we might run the Tampa 2 or the 3-3-5 on Defense)...those statements alone caused more uncertainty of what Auburn will running on Offense and Defense for the years to come and uncertainty is like poison to a kid, when they're deciding where they want to go to College. That's why the hiring of coordinators is more important than recruiting, unless the coach comes out and states what they're going to run...which Coach Chizik didn't do.
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Now don't you go "raping" people over the coals thinking you are the smartest bulb in the knife drawer.
Geez man, why don't you make like a tree and get out of here before I make a conceited effort to reply.
Stan White hack your account?
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Stan White hack your account?
He wears Stan Whites underwear.
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Stan White hack your account?
Hey now. That guy could run 78 Stay-Z takeoff with the best of em. Just not as good as Nix.