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What am I missing? Does Iowa State not play football? Is that why no one seems to mention that loss?
It's one of those games that doesn't count. Like Alabama-LA Monroe.
Or Alabama-Southern Miss. Or Alabama-Northern Illinois. Or Alabama-Utah. Or Alabama-LA Tech. Or Alabama-LA Tech.
Or Alabama-Carlisle Indian School.
No, no, those are the games that DO count. It's all the wins surrounding those games that don't count. You know, NCAA and all.Maybe you should go back and check your history, also check the pre-season mags of those years.
But it interesting that you'd compare OSU's loss to ISU with some of the most shitty Alabama teams to ever take the field.
But it interesting that you'd compare OSU's loss to ISU with some of the most shitty Alabama teams to ever take the field.
Alabama/Utah was shitty? Christ, man, you guys lost 2 games that year.
Maybe you should go back and check your history, also check the pre-season mags of those years.
Alabama/Utah was shitty? Christ, man, you guys lost 2 games that year.Utah only beats them when they're down.
Again you lost one game...they lost one game. Their overall body of work is better than yourn!
This really isn't a hard concept to grasp. Seems like everyone in the nation seems to get it except bamers.
Anything other than that is completely subjective. You can't say you are better team then them they played a harder schedule. You would think you guys would be used to the tainted championship talk by now, what with the 115th on the line in January.
I actually didn't get past Louisiana Monroe. He slip that one in on me, but it's a shitty comparison on his part. Utah made a BCS bowl, they didn't go 6-6.
Really? Pre-season mags?
I get it, but did you see Iowa State on that bracket? No? That's because everyone who is against the rematch refuses to acknowledge the ISU game.Uhh no we are Auburn fans. It also doesn't mean that we deserved to be there and I am sure bama fans and the rest of the country would let us know.
The subjective argument goes both ways, but it's only being argued in favor of OSU. If Auburn was in this situation, not a single one of you would be protesting this game.
You wouldn't be getting a petition signed to keep Auburn out of the game, and you wouldn't be saying that another team was screwed by biased voters.You tell me how there wasn't bias when your own coach votes and other folks have OSU at #5 or #6 come on Token you are better than that, There is extreme bias with the polls.
You'd be pointing out that OSU was ranked #2, and lost to a shit team late in the season. They should have dropped, and whomever was ranked #3 should have moved up.This part is true, however, again for not a couple of voters who had their own "agenda" are you sure your #2 ranking would have held up?
OSU is not in the game because they couldn't beat a 6-6 team when it mattered. They controlled their destiny and fucked the duck. Not the #3 ranked team's fault. Not the voter's fault. OSU's fault. That also isn't hard to grasp, but it's being ignored like a motherfucker.Last time I checked you also lost one game, because you couldn't beat them at home when it mattered. Except you get a second chance to try and win, that isn't OSU's fault. When do they get their chance? Don't act like y'all are undefeated...bama lost too, but you and RWS seem to ignore that. By the way I don't think anything is being ignored when it comes to bammer seeing as how you are in the game. You just don't deserve to be there is all.
Uhh no we are Auburn fans.
You tell me how there wasn't bias when your own coach votes and other folks have OSU at #5 or #6 come on Token you are better than that, There is extreme bias with the polls.
Last time I checked you also lost one game, because you couldn't beat them at home when it mattered.
Don't act like y'all are undefeated...bama lost too, but you and RWS seem to ignore that. By the way I don't think anything is being ignored when it comes to bammer seeing as how you are in the game. You just don't deserve to be there is all.
Record
Alabama 11-1
Oklahoma State 11-1
SOS
Alabama 23
Oklahoma State 6
Record versus Sagarin top 10
Alabama 1-1
Oklahoma State 2-0
Record versus Sagarin top 30
Alabama 2-1
Oklahoma State 6-1
Sagarin Conference Ratings
Big 12 #1
SEC #2
Oklahoma was #2 at one point. Where did those agenda pushing voters have them ranked before they lost to an unranked team with 2 weeks left in the season? My guess is they had them at #2 where they belonged. Then they lost. Not to a great team. Not to a good team. To Iowa State.BTW all subjective...still doesn't mean you deserve to be there.
Absolutely correct. Bama lost and needed Oregon, Stanford and Oklahoma State to fuck up for a chance to get back in with less than a month left. And this same instance happens every year. You lose late, and you're out. Bama lost late, and they were out. Then, AFTER Bama lost late, other people also lost later than Bama.
I haven't denied yet that Alabama lost. I know they did, and the day after I believe I posted here that they didn't deserve a rematch, because other teams had better records. Then those teams shit the bed. What? Alabama shouldn't be allowed to move back up because they already played LSU?
And for the record.......
Alabama's opponents record for the season? 84-61
Oklahoma State's opponents record for the season? 81-63
But holy fuck OSU's SOS is sooooo much better.
The computers are biased.Shouldn't you be out beating hookers?
BTW all subjective...still doesn't mean you deserve to be there.
Shouldn't you be out beating hookers?
What am I missing? Does Iowa State not play football? Is that why no one seems to mention that loss?
Do you think that loss is indicative of how bad/good Ok. State is, or an anomaly?
I think of all the arguments, Oklahoma State has the best with the fact that they played for their conference championship and blasted a #10 Oklahoma team while UAT sit at home because they did not even win their division. Sorry UAT fans, but I think that fact trumps the "better loss" argument. Also, count me as one of those that thinks if OK State does not have the tragedy just a couple of days before the Iowa State game, I think we would not even be having this debate. When something that real hits that close to home and is still very raw and fresh, it is hard to get motivated for something that seems so inconsequential as a game. You try to get motivated and win, but the mental toll along with the adrenaline dump from trying to get yourself psyched up can be too much to overcome.That...and WE'VE ALREADY SEEN BAMA-LSU THIS YEAR AND KNOW HOW THAT MOVIE ENDS. Bama lost at home. They won't win in New Orleans.
That...and WE'VE ALREADY SEEN BAMA-LSU THIS YEAR AND KNOW HOW THAT MOVIE ENDS. Bama lost at home. They won't win in New Orleans.
#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #3 team from 2nd best conference
OR
#1 team from 2nd best conference vs. #1 team from best conference
Here's something nobody's really mentioned.
All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."
What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.
Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.
Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.
Fuck the BCS.
It really is a total sham.
I wish I could bring myself to ignore bowl season. Just watch football for rivalries and the SEC championship race and then call it a season.
Here's something nobody's really mentioned.
All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."
What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.
Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.
Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.
Fuck the BCS.
Do you think that loss is indicative of how bad/good Ok. State is, or an anomaly?So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.
So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.Then Alabama still has one quality win, and OK State still has 6.
Here's something nobody's really mentioned.Just a little food for thought: Kent St's SOS is stronger than La-Lafayette. Ga Southern is DII, they were 9-1 when Alabama played them, but they also have a shitty SOS. With that said, they did a better job against Alabama than AU did, though. Tulsa is a pretty quality win for OSU, though. No matter how you slice it, Kent St and Ga Southern are automatic wins. I'm not saying they're world beaters by any means. But when you're talking shitty teams, it's just a matter of how shitty.
All the fuckstick Bama fans and media want to talk about is "worse loss."
What was the rationale in 2004, though? Worse win. Worse OOC win, specifically. AU beat The Citadel. Oklahoma beat Bowling Green. Well, damn. Bowling Green was considered the "better" team. End of story.
Alabama beat Georga Southern and Kent State as part of their resume. Pee-fucking-ewww. Kent was a stellar 5-7 with a huge eight point win over South Alabama. Georgia Southern is DII and hung on for a huge win over Citadel 14-12.
Oklahoma State's worst win was either Louisiana La. (8-4) or Tulsa (8-4). Both will go bowling.
Fuck the BCS.
Then Alabama still has one quality win, and OK State still has 6.No, you don't get it. We're going to say Alabama's loss to LSU was an anomaly. OSU's loss to ISU is real, and we're going to hold it against them. This is the scenario that is allowed when a statement such as JR's is made. Exceptions can be made for whatever team you want to play in the NCG game, while standards are held firm for the team you want to keep out.
So, why can't we just say that Alabama losing to LSU was just an anomaly? This has been part of the argument all along. Some are picking and choosing what to apply to which teams, what they want to ignore, and what they want to create and apply to certain teams.
BAMMER LOST HEAD TO HEAD VS LSU DUMB FUCK!I know. But it still doesn't mean that Alabama can't be the second best team in the country. And in the system which we have, the #1 and #2 teams play for the NCG. It just so happens that a bunch of teams in the top 10 shit the bed all at the same time and a damn near impossible scenario took place to make this happen.
I know. But it still doesn't mean that Alabama can't be the second best team in the country. And in the system which we have, the #1 and #2 teams play for the NCG. It just so happens that a bunch of teams in the top 10 shit the bed all at the same time and a damn near impossible scenario took place to make this happen.So why aren't we having OSU & Bama go head to head for #2, and just give LSU the trophy now?
Your response has nothing to do with what I said. You suggested that OSU get a pass because their loss to ISU is probably an anomaly. You're giving one team a pass for losing to a shitty team, while holding a loss to the #1 team in the country against the other, all the while telling that other team that it is impossible for them to be second best because they couldn't beat the best.You can't be this retarded. Magically erase both Bama's loss and ISU's loss. Because they are anomalies. Outliers. What are you left with? Bama 10-0 with a win over Arkansas and nobody else worth a shit. Oklahoma State 10-0 with wins over Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State, Missouri, and Oklahoma. If you want to take out the best and worst games to eliminate the outliers on both ends, it's even worse for Bama.
I know. But it still doesn't mean that Alabama can't be the second best team in the country. And in the system which we have, the #1 and #2 teams play for the NCG. It just so happens that a bunch of teams in the top 10 shit the bed all at the same time and a damn near impossible scenario took place to make this happen.
Your response has nothing to do with what I said. You suggested that OSU get a pass because their loss to ISU is probably an anomaly. You're giving one team a pass for losing to a shitty team, while holding a loss to the #1 team in the country against the other, all the while telling that other team that it is impossible for them to be second best because they couldn't beat the best.
It really is a total sham.
I wish I could bring myself to ignore bowl season. Just watch football for rivalries and the SEC championship race and then call it a season.
Magically erase both Bama's loss and ISU's loss. Because they are anomalies. Outliers. What are you left with? Bama 10-0 with a win over Arkansas and nobody else worth a shit. Oklahoma State 10-0 with wins over Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State, Missouri, and Oklahoma. If you want to take out the best and worst games to eliminate the outliers on both ends, it's even worse for Bama.
^^This part, I know that ISU was a bad loss where losing to LSU looks better, but the fact remains if you take away both loses and look at their body of work, OSUs body of work looks better. Add the loses back in and OSUs body of work still looks better.Exactly. You can slice and dice that onion 100 different ways, and OSU's body of work looks better in all of them.
You can't be this retarded. Magically erase both Bama's loss and ISU's loss. Because they are anomalies. Outliers. What are you left with? Bama 10-0 with a win over Arkansas and nobody else worth a shit. Oklahoma State 10-0 with wins over Texas A&M, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State, Missouri, and Oklahoma. If you want to take out the best and worst games to eliminate the outliers on both ends, it's even worse for Bama.For the first time in any of these threads, you have finally applied the same rules and logic to BOTH teams, instead of picking and choosing. My issue with what JR said is he only mentioned OSU's loss to ISU being an anomaly, implying that it should be forgiven. Unfortunately, there is no such luxury. I've said it before, I wouldn't have minded if Alabama got left out. Certainly would have understood if that's the way the rankings came out. But to say they should be left out because of some rules that don't exist, and logic applied to one team but not the other is horseshit.
It's time to ban the goat fucker.
What, no pics?
Unworthy at the moment. The goat fucker finally convinced me that it is actually mentally retarded.
(http://goatfucker.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/youarea20goatfucker.jpg?w=300&h=240)For the first time in any of these threads, you have finally applied the same rules and logic to BOTH teams, instead of picking and choosing. My issue with what JR said is he only mentioned OSU's loss to ISU being an anomaly, implying that it should be forgiven. Unfortunately, there is no such luxury. I've said it before, I wouldn't have minded if Alabama got left out. Certainly would have understood if that's the way the rankings came out. But to say they should be left out because of some rules that don't exist, and logic applied to one team but not the other is horseshit.
You have to count who they won against, and who they lost to. When you have a strong SOS but lost to a shit team, that will negate some of that SOS. There has to be accountability. You have to combine the good and bad, not ignore the bad while only taking the good.
Strength of schedule is a stupid argument. How can we say that 6-6 Texas A&M is a quality win but 6-6 Vandy isn't? Did the teams play each other? What about 10-2 Kansas St vs 10-2 Arkansas? Or 9-3 Baylor vs 9-3 Penn State? How about 2-10 Kansas vs 2-10 Ole Miss? We could literally go through every team and say the same thing. As I've already shown, Bama's opponents have a better record than OSU's opponents.
SOS is a stupid argument to make. A playoff is the only way to solve this, but there is still going to be an argument about who gets in the playoff and who doesn't. 4 team playoff includes Stanford and dismisses Oregon? Still flawed.
What about all conference champs and 2 at large spots? That still isn't putting the best 8 teams in the playoff. Flawed.
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What about all conference champs and 2 at large spots? That still isn't putting the best 8 teams in the playoff. Flawed.Maybe not by your "Bama deserves to be in by-God" argument, but by sound, logical, reason, it does. The conference championships are the only thing close to fair in this fucked up system we call college football.
If I knew that searching for a mentally retarded dude bumping uglies with a goat wouldn't infect my machine with some weird fudgeed up virus, I would do it.
Careful. I ended up here after a search for "uncensored tiger sex"
Careful. I ended up here after a search for "uncensored tiger sex"
Maybe not by your "Bama deserves to be in by-God" argument, but by sound, logical, reason, it does. The conference championships are the only thing close to fair in this fucked up system we call college football.
Do as you described above, and that is as fair as fair gets.
Well then I hope Xanusus was not the first of us you came across.
Nah, I think he got you on the chin first.
Damn good thing I have can breath with my mouth closed.
It's time to ban the goat fucker.You must be out of goat pics.
You must be out of goat pics.
Between the numerous post justifying Sandusky's anal assaults and the goat porn, Kaos better hope his computer isn't seized by the feds anytime soon.