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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Buzz Killington on November 28, 2011, 10:53:16 AM
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Since all we have left of this season is the sequel/prequel to the Clemson game...let's look ahead a little.
Gone will be the starting Turnstiles Tackles, Quindarius Carr at one WR spot, Eltoro Freeman at MLB and Neiko shoes on fire Thorpe at safety. I believe the long snapper too (sorry snaggle). I can't think of any Juniors other than possibly Blake and Lutzenkirchen that would be a threat to leave early. Let's assume, for the moment, that they stick around for their Senior years also. Who gets the starting nod in your mind going into 2012?
My projection:
OFFENSE
QB - Kyle Frazier (So)
RB - Michael Dyer (Jr)
HB - Phillip Lutzenkirchen (Sr)
WR - Emory Blake (Sr)
WR - Trovon Reed (rSo)
WR - Travante Stallworth (Sr)
LT - Greg Robinson (rFr)
LG - Chad Slade (Jr)
C - Reese Dismukes (So)
RG - Eric Mack (rFr)
RT - Christian Westerman (rFr)
DEFENSE
DE - Corey Lemonier (Jr)
DT - Gabe Wright (So)
NG - Jeff Whitaker (Jr)
DE - Craig Sanders (Jr)
WLB - Jawara White (So)
MLB - Jake Holland (Jr)
SLB - Daren Bates (Sr)
CB - T'Sharvan Bell (Sr)
CB - Chris Davis (Jr)
FS - Erique Flroence (So)
SS - Jermaine Whitehead (So)
Again in 2012...the main concerns for the team will be at quarterback, offensive line, linebacker and safety.
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If Kiehl can get some reps in the bowl, play the whole game and develop more in the offseason, we could be decent. I dont think throwing in some read option/wildcat would hurt. This is also assuming the DL comes along nicely to the next level in their maturity. Hard to believe they won't under Pelton.
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Prepare to read the creed.
If that's the starting OL, you're going to get an assload of "we're young" chanters and a ton of fingers pointed at 2014 when we'll "really be good..."
I read a few other boards the last day or so. What's out there beyond these walls is shocking in its ignorance and sheepery.
Please guys, tone those unrealistic expectations. Its all about Xs and Os, numbers and experience. Our team is talented but young. Give them and the coaches credit... They beat the experts, most who predicted a losing season, and they are going to a bowl with a winning record.
This team needs time to grow into their roles and I have no doubt they will. Next year we will be better. I see us as a top contender in 2013. Our time will come again.
This season is like Godfather III to me. Or Season Six of The Sopranos.
It never existed.
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If Kiehl can get some reps in the bowl, play the whole game and develop more in the offseason, we could be decent. I dont think throwing in some read option/wildcat would hurt. This is also assuming the DL comes along nicely to the next level in their maturity. Hard to believe they won't under Pelton.
Pelton is no Rocker. We didn't pressure a soul this year.
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Pelton is no Rocker. We didn't pressure a soul this year.
I may be called one of those sunshine pumping folks for this, but I truthfully believe the interior DL was a liability this season ONLY because of youth. Whitaker, Wright, Blackson and Carter coming back for their Sophomore and Junior seasons more experienced and hopefully stronger should turn that group into an asset in 2012. If they don't, then I think it will be coaching that is to blame.
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You are assuming we stick with this spread bullshit. I'm not so sure.
And don't give me the "spread won the NC last year" line. Cam was that offense and it was awesome. Without Cam, we see what this offense is reduced to.
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You are assuming we stick with this spread bullshit. I'm not so sure.
And don't give me the "spread won the NC last year" line. Cam was that offense and it was awesome. Without Cam, we see what this offense is reduced to.
True. Until it becomes official that Malzahn is going to Chapel Hill...or Oxford...or anywhere else he is rumored to be heading, we can only assume this. It will be very interesting though, to see if Chiz goes with a coordinator in the same mold if Malz does leave in the offseason.
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Pelton is no Rocker. We didn't pressure a soul this year.
I do give Pelton some leeway since we did play a ton of guys that were babies and he is also having to deal with Roof. Next year, he gets no free card. The unit got better in general as they got experience. Lemonier, Whitaker and Sanders show flashes here and there. Carter got better. I expect a lot from Gabe Wright as well. IMHO, there is hope for this group from what I have seen. On paper, the secondary looks nasty. Like a few years ago, it could become the strong point in the D but I think of Lolley and I lose that optimism. Hopefully the lumps a lot of the front 7 took this year will pay dividends the next 2. If I see no improvement I will be there beside you with pitchfork. I dont expect another 2010 next year but I also dont expect a 2011 either. Somewhere in between should be expected.
Whoever is the OC or the QB, we HAVE to....WE MUST get Dyer and Lutz more involved in the gameplan. When we don't, bad things happen.
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I may be called one of those sunshine pumping folks for this, but I truthfully believe the interior DL was a liability this season ONLY because of youth. Whitaker, Wright, Blackson and Carter coming back for their Sophomore and Junior seasons more experienced and hopefully stronger should turn that group into an asset in 2012. If they don't, then I think it will be coaching that is to blame.
Agree. Pelton is all technique, which will show in the next few years. Rocker was "give it 1000% every play, don't necessarily worry about technique."
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I'm thinking that Kris Frost will be able to contribute to our LB corp next year, or at least I hope.
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On paper, the secondary looks nasty. Like a few years ago, it could become the strong point in the D but I think of Lolley and I lose that optimism.
Riddle me this...
Wasn't Lolley the secondary coarch when Chizik was the DC a few years back? They had some studs in that backfield that seemed to know what they were doing. I just wonder if Lolley is really the problem?
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Riddle me this...
Wasn't Lolley the secondary coarch when Chizik was the DC a few years back? They had some studs in that backfield that seemed to know what they were doing. I just wonder if Lolley is really the problem?
I think it had more to do with Tubs honestly.
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You are assuming we stick with this spread bullshit. I'm not so sure.
And don't give me the "spread won the NC last year" line. Cam was that offense and it was awesome. Without Cam, we see what this offense is reduced to.
Agree. Cam was a freak. He took that game over last year (meaning the Iron Bowl). He was given a lot of discretion on the field and bailed us out of many plays that would have otherwise ended badly. Bama and LSU have never been fooled by this offense. They have it figured out.
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I'm thinking that Kris Frost will be able to contribute to our LB corp next year, or at least I hope.
This. I still don't think that Owens is a lock to stay at DE either. JMO There... I think he's the closest thing we've got to an Upshaw type headknocking LB type.
As far as the whole spread vs whatever debate. Our inability to utilize the talent we have this year was mindblowing by Malzhan. An epic fail as far as I'm concerned. We could have ran it up Bama's ass all day Saturday and we still chose to do too much misdirection and mulitple hand offs that our OL doesn't give enough time to work. When the OL was able to just push forward, they were fine (or better anyway...still got beat a lot). When they were forced to extend laterally, they were hapless. Malzhan sticking with the misdirection and multiple stops was irritating and stupid considering it's lack of success. ...let alone doing that shit on a fourth down. Dyer should have been a star in that game, he was not used at all like he should have been.
Should be an interesting few months on the staff side of things... Changes need to be made.
I don't even want to get into the Roof situation unless it's promoting him being burnt the fuck up in an unfortunate smelting accident.
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Riddle me this...
Wasn't Lolley the secondary coarch when Chizik was the DC a few years back? They had some studs in that backfield that seemed to know what they were doing. I just wonder if Lolley is really the problem?
I dont think he is terrible really. It may be a scheming issue. Like JR, I am not as well versed on the ins and outs of the D we run as I am the O. Taking Xananus' word for it from another thread, we run a Tampa 2. This shouldnt be an issue for Lolley in theory since he has worked under Chizik. But is Roof the best person to run a Tampa 2? We do know that is not what he has typcially used in the past. There could be some disconnect there. Who knows.....I just know I dont get an easy feeling when thinking about Lolley and the DBs.
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This. I still don't think that Owens is a lock to stay at DE either. JMO There... I think he's the closest thing we've got to an Upshaw type headknocking LB type.
For realz. I would love to see Owens move back to LB and hell, put Sanders back there too. These guys need to be on the field.
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You are assuming we stick with this spread bullshit. I'm not so sure.
And don't give me the "spread won the NC last year" line. Cam was that offense and it was awesome. Without Cam, we see what this offense is reduced to.
Cam was that good, but also remember that he had Zimbea, Pugh, Berry, Mosley, Eddins and Bostrom blocking for him. Even Sullen played decent to solid on the line last year.
On paper, the secondary looks nasty. Like a few years ago, it could become the strong point in the D but I think of Lolley and I lose that optimism.
You can throw Thig in that as well. I know, I know, but he can recruit. I would rather have a guy that can pull in decent to good talent and coach it up than I had a guy that pulls in great talent and they get worse. Our safeties have sucked big time the past 3 years too.
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You are assuming we stick with this spread bullshit. I'm not so sure.
And don't give me the "spread won the NC last year" line. Cam was that offense and it was awesome. Without Cam, we see what this offense is reduced to.
For Realz! Complete whore shit offense, we need to be in the I formation. It's the only "Real Offense" there is. It's clear that Mosley and Trotter's talents are being wasted.
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Doesn't matter what offense you run as long as you play to your strengths. If you have a Dyer and don't use him, then run the fucking Wing T for all I care. If you have a Lutz and you refuse to put the ball in his hands, well.....
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Doesn't matter what offense you run as long as you play to your strengths. If you have a Dyer and don't use him, then run the fucking Wing T for all I care. If you have a Lutz and you refuse to put the ball in his hands, well.....
No, no, no, it's about schemes, and Auburn's Offense and Defense are patently flawed.
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No, no, no, it's about schemes, and Auburn's Offense and Defense are patently flawed.
Its the total package. Ive never said it was a "100% scheme" problem. There is a putting the players in the right place problem. There is a playing to the player's strength problem. There has been SOME playcalling problems. There have been some coaching the players up problems. The last one is obvious on the OL and at the QB position. Its a lot of everything. I do know that Roof needs to go. I will not say the same about Gus but he needs to unfuck this shit I saw Saturday. Total bull hockey.Whether its coaching, prep, playcalling, putting better players in the right places......something. Any fucking thing.
The offensive production in those blowout losses is totally unacceptable. We have a roster littered with great talent. Gus gets a ton of money to produce results. He has not this year. Chris Todd was not leaps and bounds better out of HS than Trotter or Moseley. Maybe slightly better at most. Are you telling me that Moseley, Trotter and Frazier all have the same affliction?? All at the same time? They just forgot how to play QB this season, all of them? Frazier was a blue chip recruit, Moseley doesnt have a ton of stars by his name but the guy was Mr. Football his Sr year. He did something right at some point.
I really just dont think Gus has adjusted well to Cam being gone. He needs to go back to the drawing board. This is his job, to figure this shit out. Summed up, we have 2 avg, mediocre QBs on the roster but that is no reason to get our shit pushed in as bad as we have. We should be losing games with those 2 at QB, not getting ass raped. There is a disconnect on multiple levels.
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If we do not go the Juco route at QB, I would not be surprised to see Trotter or Mosely back starting again next year. KF just did not seem to have that extra ummph to put him ahead of either of those guys. His running is not prolific, no explosiveness or elusiveness. And he cannot throw the ball. Unless he gets a lot quicker and learns to throw instead of float, he will not be the guy.
This being said, we have had years in the past where one of the starters from the previous season had a light come on and stepped up to the challenge. Will it happen again? Who knows.
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Its the total package. Ive never said it was a "100% scheme" problem. There is a putting the players in the right place problem. There is a playing to the player's strength problem. There has been SOME playcalling problems. There have been some coaching the players up problems. The last one is obvious on the OL and at the QB position. Its a lot of everything. I do know that Roof needs to go. I will not say the same about Gus but he needs to unfuck this shit I saw Saturday. Total bull hockey.Whether its coaching, prep, playcalling, putting better players in the right places......something. Any fucking thing.
The offensive production in those blowout losses is totally unacceptable. We have a roster littered with great talent. Gus gets a ton of money to produce results. He has not this year. Chris Todd was not leaps and bounds better out of HS than Trotter or Moseley. Maybe slightly better at most. Are you telling me that Moseley, Trotter and Frazier all have the same affliction?? All at the same time? They just forgot how to play QB this season, all of them? Frazier was a blue chip recruit, Moseley doesnt have a ton of stars by his name but the guy was Mr. Football his Sr year. He did something right at some point.
I really just dont think Gus has adjusted well to Cam being gone. He needs to go back to the drawing board. This is his job, to figure this shit out. Summed up, we have 2 avg, mediocre QBs on the roster but that is no reason to get our shit pushed in as bad as we have. We should be losing games with those 2 at QB, not getting ass raped. There is a disconnect on multiple levels.
Trotter was supposed to be it. He has the physical tools, but he simply wouldn't pull the trigger. Why? No earthly fucking idea. Mosley, completely different. Simply not an SEC level QB. Simple as that.
Frazier? Jury still out. Could be they were just scared to throw him to the wolves. Coaches will fuck up from time to time. Hell Peyton Manning was the #3 QB coming out of camp his Fr. year. It took injuries to get him on the field. Coaches are afflicted with being scared of Fr. even if they show well in practice, especially at QB.
Gus' offense is predicated on Running the set up play action passing. When teams know you can't pass, then they sure aren't going to let you run. Do you think since game 3 or 4 we've seen the same defenses we saw early season and last year? Why would any DC make pass coverage a priority vs Auburn this year?
Gus is the same guy that overhauled his offense to make the most of Cam last year. The offense morphed in to an option offense after the Clemson game.
Bama shut us, and Cam, the fuck down in the first half last season, and he adjusted the offense at half.
Sometimes, you simply don't have the players to do any of what you do. Would the QB play have been better with a better OL? Probably, but then again, if our QB was a threat to hit a pass beyond the line of scrimmage, the fronts we'd see would be more run friendly, and probably make the OL look a little better.
I keep hearing or reading "this offense requires a player like Cam to function". Bullshit. People simply ignore what Todd was able to accomplish in this offense. He's no Cam, and he set Auburn passing records, and people still call him a retard. Well, stupid people do. NO offense could function with the level of QB play we've gotten this year. I don't give a fuck what scheme you put Mosley in, he'd fail vs SEC level competition.
If you simply are tired of Gus, that's fine, it's your opinion, you're entitled to it. You want a different looking scheme, fine too. You're probably going to get your wish though, I expect Malzahn will get a suitable job offer, and if I were him, I'd tell the Auburn family that their ungrateful asses could choke on a bag of dicks.
Roof? Fuck him!
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If we do not go the Juco route at QB, I would not be surprised to see Trotter or Mosely back starting again next year. KF just did not seem to have that extra ummph to put him ahead of either of those guys. His running is not prolific, no explosiveness or elusiveness. And he cannot throw the ball. Unless he gets a lot quicker and learns to throw instead of float, he will not be the guy.
This being said, we have had years in the past where one of the starters from the previous season had a light come on and stepped up to the challenge. Will it happen again? Who knows.
I hate it's come to that, as that's not good for the long term, but damn, it would seem that they would certainly be looking for a JUCO QB.
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Trotter was supposed to be it. He has the physical tools, but he simply wouldn't pull the trigger. Why? No earthly fucking idea. Mosley, completely different. Simply not an SEC level QB. Simple as that.
Frazier? Jury still out. Could be they were just scared to throw him to the wolves. Coaches will fuck up from time to time. Hell Peyton Manning was the #3 QB coming out of camp his Fr. year. It took injuries to get him on the field. Coaches are afflicted with being scared of Fr. even if they show well in practice, especially at QB.
Gus' offense is predicated on Running the set up play action passing. When teams know you can't pass, then they sure aren't going to let you run. Do you think since game 3 or 4 we've seen the same defenses we saw early season and last year? Why would any DC make pass coverage a priority vs Auburn this year?
Gus is the same guy that overhauled his offense to make the most of Cam last year. The offense morphed in to an option offense after the Clemson game.
Bama shut us, and Cam, the fuck down in the first half last season, and he adjusted the offense at half.
Sometimes, you simply don't have the players to do any of what you do. Would the QB play have been better with a better OL? Probably, but then again, if our QB was a threat to hit a pass beyond the line of scrimmage, the fronts we'd see would be more run friendly, and probably make the OL look a little better.
I keep hearing or reading "this offense requires a player like Cam to function". Bullshit. People simply ignore what Todd was able to accomplish in this offense. He's no Cam, and he set Auburn passing records, and people still call him a retard. Well, stupid people do. NO offense could function with the level of QB play we've gotten this year. I don't give a fuck what scheme you put Mosley in, he'd fail vs SEC level competition.
If you simply are tired of Gus, that's fine, it's your opinion, you're entitled to it. You want a different looking scheme, fine too. You're probably going to get your wish though, I expect Malzahn will get a suitable job offer, and if I were him, I'd tell the Auburn family that their ungrateful asses could choke on a bag of dicks.
Roof? Fuck him!
Problem with the above bolded...then we should have recruited what he needed before now. 3rd year in this cannot be an excuse.
and I agree that Gus has always been able to work with what he has. The biggest difference between 09 and this year O-Line. We had a good O-Line in 2009 this year we do not. That being said overall Gus has had some WTF play calls this year, but the bama game was an abomination of play calling and IMO was his fault. Was the team to blame yes...but the blame lies with the coaches first.
With regards to Frazier you simply cannot at this point say that he is a bust. He is a true freshman, whom the coaches have sporadically allowed to pass usually in shitty situations. Playing behind the same shitty O-line. Those that defend Moseley saying he hasn't gotten into a rythm cannot shit on Frazier because he also hasn't been allowed to get into any rythm. Could he be Kodi Burns at QB? sure...but remember it also took Jason Campbell 2-3 years to "get it" he gets a pass IMO.
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Problem with the above bolded...then we should have recruited what he needed before now. 3rd year in this cannot be an excuse.
and I agree that Gus has always been able to work with what he has. The biggest difference between 09 and this year O-Line. We had a good O-Line in 2009 this year we do not. That being said overall Gus has had some WTF play calls this year, but the bama game was an abomination of play calling and IMO was his fault. Was the team to blame yes...but the blame lies with the coaches first.
With regards to Frazier you simply cannot at this point say that he is a bust. He is a true freshman, whom the coaches have sporadically allowed to pass usually in shitty situations. Playing behind the same shitty O-line. Those that defend Moseley saying he hasn't gotten into a rythm cannot shit on Frazier because he also hasn't been allowed to get into any rythm. Could he be Kodi Burns at QB? sure...but remember it also took Jason Campbell 2-3 years to "get it" he gets a pass IMO.
So, good coaches never miss on QBs? By the way, Trotter was a Tuberville recruit. Talented, or supposedly talented QBs never bust? They went and got one last year, because of what we see this year. They went after Wilson for same reasons, and couldn't land him. They knew we didn't have a QB. They landed the Rollison kid who turned out to be some sort of problem. They recruited Mosley simply to claim a recruiting win by landing "Mr Football" and to have as an emergency back up. I don't think they ever thought he'd be a starter. Trotter is truly a bust in my book, and I think they thought he'd at least be serviceable.
I'm not calling Frazier a bust at all, just fearful he's not all they'd hoped he'd be.
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So, good coaches never miss on QBs? By the way, Trotter was a Tuberville recruit. Talented, or supposedly talented QBs never bust? They went and got one last year, because of what we see this year. They went after Wilson for same reasons, and couldn't land him. They knew we didn't have a QB. They landed the Rollison kid who turned out to be some sort of problem. They recruited Mosley simply to claim a recruiting win by landing "Mr Football" and to have as an emergency back up. I don't think they ever thought he'd be a starter. Trotter is truly a bust in my book, and I think they thought he'd at least be serviceable.
I'm not calling Frazier a bust at all, just fearful he's not all they'd hoped he'd be.
Mr. Football won the starting job over Frazier, and was at least as serviceable as Trotter. Once Trotter lost his confidence in the OL, and his ability to get the ball down-field, it was over for him.
Nobody was going to look like a superstar while being chased around by defensive linemen collapsing every pocket due to an under-developed and young OL. It's also the reason the multiple hand-offs and play action plays didn't work nearly to even average levels.
Malzhan showed stubbornness this year, rather than the adjusting guru we needed him to be this year. Frazier and Pike could be, and should be a much stronger battle next season, with a game tested and more mature Moseley right there in the mix as well.
More importantly, regardless of OC? The OL will be more mature, stronger and at least give a fractional boost to what they were able to do this year. That can't be ignored, regardless of scheme, system...or whatever.
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Mr. Football won the starting job over Frazier, and was at least as serviceable as Trotter. Once Trotter lost his confidence in the OL, and his ability to get the ball down-field, it was over for him.
Nobody was going to look like a superstar while being chased around by defensive linemen collapsing every pocket due to an under-developed and young OL. It's also the reason the multiple hand-offs and play action plays didn't work nearly to even average levels.
Malzhan showed stubbornness this year, rather than the adjusting guru we needed him to be this year. Frazier and Pike could be, and should be a much stronger battle next season, with a game tested and more mature Moseley right there in the mix as well.
More importantly, regardless of OC? The OL will be more mature, stronger and at least give a fractional boost to what they were able to do this year. That can't be ignored, regardless of scheme, system...or whatever.
Pretty much agree with all that. I hope, I hope, Frazier is good enough.
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My projection:
OFFENSE
QB - Kyle Frazier (So)
RB - Michael Dyer (Jr)
HB - Phillip Lutzenkirchen (Sr)
WR - Emory Blake (Sr)
WR - Trovon Reed (rSo)
WR - Travante Stallworth (Sr)
LT - Greg Robinson (rFr)
LG - Chad Slade (Jr)
C - Reese Dismukes (So)
RG - Eric Mack (rFr)
RT - Christian Westerman (rFr)
I don't claim to have skreetz, but have heard rumor that Eric Mack struggles to keep his weight down, and I don't see how he'd overtake a Sr. in John Sullen if he's not a whole lot better.
Also, don't forget that Shon Coleman will likely compete for a spot at RT or LT.
I may have heard the same bad rumors about Aubry Phillips too. A 4 star Soph that's never seen the field, and is listed as 6-5 336.
Ed Christian may compete for a spot too. The OL could look completely different next year.
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I believe I have read that it will be the 2013 before Coleman gets a nod.
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I don't claim to have skreetz, but have heard rumor that Eric Mack struggles to keep his weight down, and I don't see how he'd overtake a Sr. in John Sullen if he's not a whole lot better.
Also, don't forget that Shon Coleman will likely compete for a spot at RT or LT.
I may have heard the same bad rumors about Aubry Phillips too. A 4 star Soph that's never seen the field, and is listed as 6-5 336.
Ed Christian may compete for a spot too. The OL could look completely different next year.
Phillips is gone, as is Christian. Coleman according to one of the premium sites will not be playing until 2013 if he ever gets to play. He will sit and apply for an extra year for medical reasons and will more than likely get it.
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I don't claim to have skreetz, but have heard rumor that Eric Mack struggles to keep his weight down, and I don't see how he'd overtake a Sr. in John Sullen if he's not a whole lot better.
Also, don't forget that Shon Coleman will likely compete for a spot at RT or LT.
I may have heard the same bad rumors about Aubry Phillips too. A 4 star Soph that's never seen the field, and is listed as 6-5 336.
Ed Christian may compete for a spot too. The OL could look completely different next year.
Actually, that was an error on my part anyway...I completely forgot about Sullen.
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Phillips is gone, as is Christian. Coleman according to one of the premium sites will not be playing until 2013 if he ever gets to play. He will sit and apply for an extra year for medical reasons and will more than likely get it.
Fuck sakes, rivals needs to update the roster, and I need to read the paper more!
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I have one hope only for next year with our offensive line, and that's that they decided to try and make it through and not burn the Westerman and Robinson redshirts. I saw the two walking the sidelines Saturday and Westerman is noticably bigger than the 277 he came in at. Robinson looks like a frickin' beast. Having said that, I have no real expectations for the O-line. Why would they be any better?
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I have one hope only for next year with our offensive line, and that's that they decided to try and make it through and not burn the Westerman and Robinson redshirts. I saw the two walking the sidelines Saturday and Westerman is noticably bigger than the 277 he came in at. Robinson looks like a frickin' beast. Having said that, I have no real expectations for the O-line. Why would they be any better?
Couldn't be worse...right? right?
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I have one hope only for next year with our offensive line, and that's that they decided to try and make it through and not burn the Westerman and Robinson redshirts. I saw the two walking the sidelines Saturday and Westerman is noticably bigger than the 277 he came in at. Robinson looks like a frickin' beast. Having said that, I have no real expectations for the O-line. Why would they be any better?
If you are in the "youth isn't an excuse" crowd, then you're right, they're as good as they'll ever be as freshmen.
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I have one hope only for next year with our offensive line, and that's that they decided to try and make it through and not burn the Westerman and Robinson redshirts. I saw the two walking the sidelines Saturday and Westerman is noticably bigger than the 277 he came in at. Robinson looks like a frickin' beast. Having said that, I have no real expectations for the O-line. Why would they be any better?
Dismukes is going to be a monster, and have a full season of "know how" under his belt. It's going to help him tremendously I believe. Having a good experienced center is a good start to some sort of improvement. Should also be a plus for any of the QB's that end up with the starter's job.
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Fuck sakes, rivals needs to update the roster, and I need to read the paper more!
Phillips and Christian were gone on medical early this season.
Next year we have Robinson, Westerman, Slade, Sullen, Mack, O'Riley, Dismukes, Burgess, Fairmekkalekkahighlekkahineyho or what ever his name is and our big beastly Somalian/Tongan warrrior who should be able to play immediately. That is all I can think of off the top of my head.
We should be a little better. Latu should be able to come in and compete. Hopefully Robinson and Westerman took/takes advantage of the RS year in the weight room and studying film. Sullen should provide some experience. Hopefully we get a surprise in someone like O'Riley.
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If you are in the "youth isn't an excuse" crowd, then you're right, they're as good as they'll ever be as freshmen.
Youth is an excuse, it's just not the only one especially after 12 games.
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Phillips and Christian were gone on medical early this season.
Next year we have Robinson, Westerman, Slade, Sullen, Mack, O'Riley, Dismukes, Burgess, Fairmekkalekkahighlekkahineyho or what ever his name is and our big beastly Somalian/Tongan warrrior who should be able to play immediately. That is all I can think of off the top of my head.
We should be a little better. Latu should be able to come in and compete. Hopefully Robinson and Westerman took/takes advantage of the RS year in the weight room and studying film. Sullen should provide some experience. Hopefully we get a surprise in someone like O'Riley.
Still scary as hell to think of starting 2 redshirt freshman tackles. Looks like Dyer will get a bunch of carries next season...
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Still scary as hell to think of starting 2 redshirt freshman tackles. Looks like Dyer will get a bunch of carries next season...
not if he runs hard and gains yards...
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Still scary as hell to think of starting 2 redshirt freshman tackles. Looks like Dyer will get a bunch of carries next season...
I am holding on to the hope I had for our line in 07. I knew it would be rough to start, but hoping by game 3 or 4 they start to come around and by game 5 they are winning the battles more often than not.
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Trotter was supposed to be it. He has the physical tools, but he simply wouldn't pull the trigger. Why? No earthly fucking idea. Mosley, completely different. Simply not an SEC level QB. Simple as that.
Frazier? Jury still out. Could be they were just scared to throw him to the wolves. Coaches will fuck up from time to time. Hell Peyton Manning was the #3 QB coming out of camp his Fr. year. It took injuries to get him on the field. Coaches are afflicted with being scared of Fr. even if they show well in practice, especially at QB.
Gus' offense is predicated on Running the set up play action passing. When teams know you can't pass, then they sure aren't going to let you run. Do you think since game 3 or 4 we've seen the same defenses we saw early season and last year? Why would any DC make pass coverage a priority vs Auburn this year?
Gus is the same guy that overhauled his offense to make the most of Cam last year. The offense morphed in to an option offense after the Clemson game.
Bama shut us, and Cam, the fuck down in the first half last season, and he adjusted the offense at half.
Sometimes, you simply don't have the players to do any of what you do. Would the QB play have been better with a better OL? Probably, but then again, if our QB was a threat to hit a pass beyond the line of scrimmage, the fronts we'd see would be more run friendly, and probably make the OL look a little better.
I keep hearing or reading "this offense requires a player like Cam to function". Bullshit. People simply ignore what Todd was able to accomplish in this offense. He's no Cam, and he set Auburn passing records, and people still call him a retard. Well, stupid people do. NO offense could function with the level of QB play we've gotten this year. I don't give a fuck what scheme you put Mosley in, he'd fail vs SEC level competition.
If you simply are tired of Gus, that's fine, it's your opinion, you're entitled to it. You want a different looking scheme, fine too. You're probably going to get your wish though, I expect Malzahn will get a suitable job offer, and if I were him, I'd tell the Auburn family that their ungrateful asses could choke on a bag of dicks.
Roof? Fuck him!
Not tired of him personally nor do I wish for him to be gone. I want him to right the ship. He is the expert not me. And he gets paid loads of money to be the expert and put a better product on the field than what I saw Saturday. Mickey Mouse himself should be able to muster up more than 40 yards of offense through 3 quarters.
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I am holding on to the hope I had for our line in 07. I knew it would be rough to start, but hoping by game 3 or 4 they start to come around and by game 5 they are winning the battles more often than not.
07' gives me hope too. There's two possible scenarios. First, Westerman and Robinson are really good and like I said, they just didn't want to burn the RS knowing we would most likely be teh suxxors. That's the one I'm going with. The other ain't too skippy. Chiz-Whiz has played any and all freshmen this year if they had a pulse....except Westerman and Robinson.
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Not tired of him personally nor do I wish for him to be gone. I want him to right the ship. He is the expert not me. And he gets paid loads of money to be the expert and put a better product on the field than what I saw Saturday. Mickey Mouse himself should be able to muster up more than 40 yards of offense through 3 quarters.
I agree, Sat. looked horrible.
I agree there are times it appears Gus gets too cute, or out-thinks himself. He's always done that a little, and I think he's been so frustrated this year, he's done it more just trying to generate offense. I assure you he's as frustrated as us, probably more.
I almost posted this last week, but decided against it, mainly because I knew it wouldn't happen. I had some wish in my head that Gus would put Frazier out there under center, with Dyer at B Back, OMac and Mason on the wings, and run some veer like Ga Southern. I knew it wouldn't happen because it would take all week just to get where they could run a couple of plays. It's incredibly time consuming to install the triple option, and you can't dabble in it. Now, if he'd do that for the bowl game, we'd destroy whoever we played because they wouldn't be ready for it. Gus has it in his playbook. In fact we ran one veer play out of the gun Sat. OMac fumbled the pitch. Assuming it was a true read on the dive, it also appeared Frazier should have given the ball to Dyer on the dive. They may not have been reading it, I don't know, but Gus lists veer in his run game in his book, so he's done it before.
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but remember it also took Jason Campbell 2-3 years to "get it"
I disagree with this characterization.
And Campbell blossomed under a new OC.
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I disagree with this characterization.
And Campbell blossomed under a new OC.
Which one he had 4
Whether you like the characterization or not my point being that very few True Freshman QB's can come in and turn the world upside down.
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Which one he had 4
Campbell.....doesn't get along well with others.
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Which one he had 4
Whether you like the characterization or not my point being that very few True Freshman QB's can come in and turn the world upside down.
Did Nallsminger count as 1 or 2?
And yeah, you're right, they can improve.
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Which one he had 4
Whether you like the characterization or not my point being that very few True Freshman QB's can come in and turn the world upside down.
Tell that to the kid from Utah St. :sarcasm:
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Did Nallsminger count as 1 or 2?
I'm gonna have to say one.....sort of like metamorphosis.
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Tell that to the kid from Utah St. :sarcasm:
Should have included the following warning:
*Warning*
Does not include playing against a Ted Roof led defense
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Looks like Dyer will get a bunch of carries next season...
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Should have included the following warning:
*Warning*
Does not include playing against a Ted Roof led defense
:bugs:
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Which one he had 4
Whether you like the characterization or not my point being that very few True Freshman QB's can come in and turn the world upside down.
No, but the notion that Campbell sucked for several years and then was awesome isn't true. I've argued against it for years. His completion percentage in 2003 was very good. In the high 60s I think. He moved the ball. But the team as a whole struggled and his performance was overshadowed.
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No, but the notion that Campbell sucked for several years and then was awesome isn't true. I've argued against it for years. His completion percentage in 2003 was very good. In the high 60s I think. He moved the ball. But the team as a whole struggled and his performance was overshadowed.
I never said he sucked. You are correct though his numbers weren't bad in the years he shared with Cobb. He wasn't as good as he was in 2004 though either. However he was also a RS Freshman and played and started in 7 games. We really have no basis of what Kiehl is all about. Again he could be Kodi and whats his name. I'm just trying to be optimistic, don't shit on me.
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I never said he sucked. You are correct though his numbers weren't bad in the years he shared with Cobb. He wasn't as good as he was in 2004 though either. However he was also a RS Freshman and played and started in 7 games. We really have no basis of what Kiehl is all about. Again he could be Kodi and whats his name. I'm just trying to be optimistic, don't shit on me.
:shit:
GF
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No, but the notion that Campbell sucked for several years and then was awesome isn't true. I've argued against it for years. His completion percentage in 2003 was very good. In the high 60s I think. He moved the ball. But the team as a whole struggled and his performance was overshadowed.
There were several things that Campbell did not do well early. The OCs we had then had no clue how to coach around these things. The greatest accomplishment of Al Borges was that he played solely to JC's strengths until JC had the confidence to do most things well. It did not hurt that there are still a good many skill players form that team that are in the NFL still today.
This is the issue with Gus. He does not stay with our strengths. He thinks he should be able to call any play form his bible and have it work. Well, sometimes the best plays are the ones you do not call. Al Borges had one great year knowing what NOT to call.
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There were several things that Campbell did not do well early. The OCs we had then had no clue how to coach around these things. The greatest accomplishment of Al Borges was that he played solely to JC's strengths until JC had the confidence to do most things well. It did not hurt that there are still a good many skill players form that team that are in the NFL still today.
This is the issue with Gus. He does not stay with our strengths. He thinks he should be able to call any play form his bible and have it work. Well, sometimes the best plays are the ones you do not call. Al Borges had one great year knowing what NOT to call.
To Al Borges!
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To Al Borges!
We once had a bachelor party for Borges. He ate the entire cake, before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.
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Since all we have left of this season is the sequel/prequel to the Clemson game...let's look ahead a little.
Gone will be the starting Turnstiles Tackles, Quindarius Carr at one WR spot, Eltoro Freeman at MLB and Neiko shoes on fire Thorpe at safety. I believe the long snapper too (sorry snaggle). I can't think of any Juniors other than possibly Blake and Lutzenkirchen that would be a threat to leave early. Let's assume, for the moment, that they stick around for their Senior years also. Who gets the starting nod in your mind going into 2012?
My projection:
OFFENSE
QB - Kyle Frazier (So)
RB - Michael Dyer (Jr)
HB - Phillip Lutzenkirchen (Sr)
WR - Emory Blake (Sr)
WR - Trovon Reed (rSo)
WR - Travante Stallworth (Sr)
LT - Will Latu (Jr)
LG - Eric Mack (rSo)
C - Reese Dismukes (So)
RG - John Sullen (rSr)
RT - Greg Robinson (rFr)
DEFENSE
DE - Corey Lemonier (Jr)
DT - Gabe Wright (So)
NG - Jeff Whitaker (Jr)
DE - Craig Sanders (Jr)
WLB - Jawara White (So)
MLB - Jake Holland (Jr)
SLB - Daren Bates (Sr)
CB - T'Sharvan Bell (Sr)
CB - Chris Davis (Jr)
FS - Erique Florence (So)
SS - Jermaine Whitehead (So)
Again in 2012...the main concerns for the team will be at quarterback, offensive line, linebacker and safety.
FTFY
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FTFY
I would have to think Westerman would be in there considering all the reports of how nasty he is on the OL.
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LT - Will Latu (Jr)
LG - Eric Mack (rSo)
C - Reese Dismukes (So)
RG - John Sullen (rSr)
RT - Greg Robinson (rFr)
And, for the record, I don't think youth is an excuse with this unit, or one like it. A RFr and a True Fr. are two different animals. 2 Fall camps, an offseason conditioning and workout, and a spring training should make a huge difference. It's not 4 Sr and a Jr like 2010, but it's a damn sight better than starting 2 true Fr.
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And, for the record, I don't think youth is an excuse with this unit, or one like it. A RFr and a True Fr. are two different animals. 2 Fall camps, an offseason conditioning and workout, and a spring training should make a huge difference. It's not 4 Sr and a Jr like 2010, but it's a damn sight better than starting 2 true Fr.
Agree...my point with Kiehl
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Agree...my point with Kiehl
Really?
So you are saying that a 2nd yr QB and a 2nd yr OL should be able to be equally effective because they both have a year's worth experience?
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Really?
So you are saying that a 2nd yr QB and a 2nd yr OL should be able to be equally effective because they both have a year's worth experience?
No but what I am saying is that by having another year within the system, growing both mentally and physically and learning said system that yes more success is to be expected. I wouldn't expect them to get worse. Like I said if Kiehl comes out and stinks it up next year...well I guess we'd be... how do you say....fucked!
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Really?
So you are saying that a 2nd yr QB and a 2nd yr OL should be able to be equally effective because they both have a year's worth experience?
I don't think he means that. QB is a harder position to play. But the year in the system, and off-season will help both.
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Based on returning talent we *should* do no less than a two loss season. Unfortunately we have a major dud coaching our corners and another guy whose primary position is linebackers coaching our safeties. I honestly don't think Roof is the real problem. Our real problem is Lolley and it's screwing everything up. If we simply fire that guy and get someone in here who knows how to coach fundamentals we'll be ok.
Since it appears Roof is staying I'd like to see him moved from the sidelines to the press box so he can scheme better(Lolley currently does that and we're awful). Then, move Thigpen to linebackers and allow Roof to implement his defense rather than Chizik's. Spend some time with Malzahn in the offseason and stress that we need to put the ball in Dyer's hands minimum 25 times a game. Ask Frazier or Pike whichever one wins the starting job to manage the offense and give them high percentage pass plays to work with..like quick slants, TE release in the flats, and RB out of the backfield dump offs. No more screens for 75% of our passing. We do it too much and teams cheat to it. Our pulling schemes need work also. Our poor OL play is partially a product of this convoluted and ineffective offense we run. We have way too many plays with OL's having to run from one side of the line to the other to make a block so that the play will work and we leave too many outside pass rushers uncovered by design when we only seem to have long developing pass plays that require three fakes before the ball can be thrown. In short: different offensive philosophy = better OL play.
IF we can get some real coaching for our DB's we'll be fine may even return to the defenses of old. Our main issue on defense the past three years has been our terrible scheme compounded with the inability of our Dbacks. Run defense has been good for the most part until they finally cave in games after our DB's are giving up pass after pass.
If we can fix the offensive play calling and get a competent Db coach we'll be fine maybe even back in the title game.
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Based on returning talent we *should* do no less than a two loss season. Unfortunately we have a major dud coaching our corners and another guy whose primary position is linebackers coaching our safeties. I honestly don't think Roof is the real problem. Our real problem is Lolley and it's screwing everything up. If we simply fire that guy and get someone in here who knows how to coach fundamentals we'll be ok.
Since it appears Roof is staying I'd like to see him moved from the sidelines to the press box so he can scheme better(Lolley currently does that and we're awful). Then, move Thigpen to linebackers and allow Roof to implement his defense rather than Chizik's. Spend some time with Malzahn in the offseason and stress that we need to put the ball in Dyer's hands minimum 25 times a game. Ask Frazier or Pike whichever one wins the starting job to manage the offense and give them high percentage pass plays to work with..like quick slants, TE release in the flats, and RB out of the backfield dump offs. No more screens for 75% of our passing. We do it too much and teams cheat to it. Our pulling schemes need work also. Our poor OL play is partially a product of this convoluted and ineffective offense we run. We have way too many plays with OL's having to run from one side of the line to the other to make a block so that the play will work and we leave too many outside pass rushers uncovered by design when we only seem to have long developing pass plays that require three fakes before the ball can be thrown. In short: different offensive philosophy = better OL play.
IF we can get some real coaching for our DB's we'll be fine may even return to the defenses of old. Our main issue on defense the past three years has been our terrible scheme compounded with the inability of our Dbacks. Run defense has been good for the most part until they finally cave in games after our DB's are giving up pass after pass.
If we can fix the offensive play calling and get a competent Db coach we'll be fine maybe even back in the title game.
I think you've put a lot of thought into this and really I can't disagree with any of this except that I am not has high on Roof as you seem to be.
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I'm not high on Roof. I'd rather have someone else as coordinator. I just don't think he's the primary reason for our terribad defense.
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Based on returning talent we *should* do no less than a two loss season. Unfortunately we have a major dud coaching our corners and another guy whose primary position is linebackers coaching our safeties. I honestly don't think Roof is the real problem. Our real problem is Lolley and it's screwing everything up. If we simply fire that guy and get someone in here who knows how to coach fundamentals we'll be ok.
Lolly is the same guy that was coaching DBs from 2000-2003 in which Auburn's pass defense was ranked 41st, 53rd, 26th, and 23rd nationally. His history absent Roof, is pretty solid. Since Roof: 57th, 108th, 48th. His worst work is under Roof. That 48th rank this season is doesn't reflect the fact that we're 85 in passing efficiency defense. I've met Lolley, and seen him give a clinic. I have no clue what he's like on the field, but he comes across as knowing what he's doing.
Since it appears Roof is staying I'd like to see him moved from the sidelines to the press box so he can scheme better(Lolley currently does that and we're awful). Then, move Thigpen to linebackers and allow Roof to implement his defense rather than Chizik's.
I'm going to be clear here, I don't know what scheme we run defensively other than a standard "4-3 Over" scheme. It's schematically sound. I know we run the standard coverages: Man, Cov 2, Cov 3, Combo. Beyond that, I don't know details. What is it about scheme that you see that you think is flawed?
Spend some time with Malzahn in the offseason and stress that we need to put the ball in Dyer's hands minimum 25 times a game.
I can agree with that, but also understand why it didn't happen this year.
Ask Frazier or Pike whichever one wins the starting job to manage the offense and give them high percentage pass plays to work with..like quick slants, TE release in the flats, and RB out of the backfield dump offs. No more screens for 75% of our passing. We do it too much and teams cheat to it.
The numerous screens were a direct reflection of our inability to go down the field with the ball. Malzahn has a few quicks in his plan, but not many. It doesn't fit what he does. An offense can't do everything at this level. They have to spend practice time wisely, and choose a few things that compliment each other, and get good at them. Quicks means installing different protections, and working the routes. It takes time away from other things, and there are short routes, and RB flares built in to almost every pass concept he uses. They can't be thrown from the fetal position on the ground.
Our pulling schemes need work also. Our poor OL play is partially a product of this convoluted and ineffective offense we run.
Convoluted? Ineffective this season, yes. What's convoluted about it?
We have way too many plays with OL's having to run from one side of the line to the other to make a block so that the play will work
Not even sure what you're talking about here. Malzahn has only a few base runs. Power, Counter, Buck, and Zone. HS teams run this stuff. Nothing complicated about it.
and we leave too many outside pass rushers uncovered by design when we only seem to have long developing pass plays that require three fakes before the ball can be thrown. In short: different offensive philosophy = better OL play.
Backs also play a part in pass protection as does the QB. The OL can only block 5. Back picks up #6. Who that is is dependant upon scheme, and I don't know the pass pro schemes he uses. Seems to me the back is usually responsible for blitzers off the edge, though at times, they pulled uncovered Guards too, which I'm guessing was a dual read. The OL was horrible this year. Teams could easily overload them if they wanted to, and did late in the season. That's all anybody figured out about us. The philosophy is "Run to set up the Play Action Pass." Dye said it yesterday...same thing I've been saying, "The OL play would have been helped by a QB that was a threat to throw the ball." Nothing wrong with the philosophy IMHO, unless you don't have the players (or mature/seasoned players) to run it, and of course, a QB that can and will make the throws.
IF we can get some real coaching for our DB's we'll be fine may even return to the defenses of old. Our main issue on defense the past three years has been our terrible scheme compounded with the inability of our Dbacks. Run defense has been good for the most part until they finally cave in games after our DB's are giving up pass after pass.
If we can fix the offensive play calling and get a competent Db coach we'll be fine maybe even back in the title game.
The DBs have been horrid. It may be Lolley, don't know. I do know this, under Roof, it's the worst defensive effort in the history of Auburn football, and that includes a year that produced a Lombardi Winner. That's like having Cam on Defense, and still being mediocre.
You'd be surprised how much better the offense play calling will seem, when we have a competent QB, but I know you are convinced it's about scheme, not players.
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Roof has to go along with most of the coaches on that side of the ball. 3 years of the worst defense in Auburn history and it ain't gonna' get better as long as these guys are coached the same way. The "Tackling" has been a joke since day one of this staffs arrival. Guys lowering their heads and going airborn for the big hit. You either tackle right, or get your ass off the field. That's coaching. The corners make the same mistakes over and over and over. "If you let this man get inside of you down on the goal line one more time, you get your ass off the field". That's coaching. The safeties have gotten over to help in time 3 times in 4,845 pass attempts over the last 3 years. That's coaching. They continue to run a defense that stresses containment (And they don't contain) and that defense has now given up 34 or more points 7 times this year and 30 or more 18 times in the 39 games this staff has coached.
This group is very young this year. Yep. Got it. But they had Coleman, Blanc, Fairley, Goggans, Bynes, Stevens, Ethridge and on and on the previous two years....and they made the same mistakes and sucked equally as bad. The difference in last year and this was simply leadership. Period. Not coaching. Not adjustments. Just a huge group of seniors who eventually looked at each other during games and said, "I'm tired of sucking. I'm gonna' whip that mother fucker in front of me from here on out." If Lolley isn't teaching proper technique, it's Roof's job to recognize that shit and see that it gets fixed. If Pelton.....oh hell, you get the idea. Nothing short of a new defensive staff with a nasty attitude will do.
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Roof has to go along with most of the coaches on that side of the ball. 3 years of the worst defense in Auburn history and it ain't gonna' get better as long as these guys are coached the same way. The "Tackling" has been a joke since day one of this staffs arrival. Guys lowering their heads and going airborn for the big hit. You either tackle right, or get your ass off the field. That's coaching. The corners make the same mistakes over and over and over. "If you let this man get inside of you down on the goal line one more time, you get your ass off the field". That's coaching. The safeties have gotten over to help in time 3 times in 4,845 pass attempts over the last 3 years. That's coaching. They continue to run a defense that stresses containment (And they don't contain) and that defense has now given up 34 or more points 7 times this year and 30 or more 18 times in the 39 games this staff has coached.
This group is very young this year. Yep. Got it. But they had Coleman, Blanc, Fairley, Goggans, Bynes, Stevens, Ethridge and on and on the previous two years....and they made the same mistakes and sucked equally as bad. The difference in last year and this was simply leadership. Period. Not coaching. Not adjustments. Just a huge group of seniors who eventually looked at each other during games and said, "I'm tired of sucking. I'm gonna' whip that mother fucker in front of me from here on out." If Lolley isn't teaching proper technique, it's Roof's job to recognize that shit and see that it gets fixed. If Pelton.....oh hell, you get the idea. Nothing short of a new defensive staff with a nasty attitude will do.
It would be my preference to to simply clean house on the defensive side of the ball. Defense, IMHO, is, after getting lined up correctly, and knowing your job, much about attitude and "desire" to be good on defense. A killer instinct, and we haven't had that under Roof. An established DC, that is known to be aggressive, IE Coach Boom like, and some young fire pissing ACs.
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Roof has to go along with most of the coaches on that side of the ball. 3 years of the worst defense in Auburn history and it ain't gonna' get better as long as these guys are coached the same way. The "Tackling" has been a joke since day one of this staffs arrival. Guys lowering their heads and going airborn for the big hit. You either tackle right, or get your ass off the field. That's coaching. The corners make the same mistakes over and over and over. "If you let this man get inside of you down on the goal line one more time, you get your ass off the field". That's coaching. The safeties have gotten over to help in time 3 times in 4,845 pass attempts over the last 3 years. That's coaching. They continue to run a defense that stresses containment (And they don't contain) and that defense has now given up 34 or more points 7 times this year and 30 or more 18 times in the 39 games this staff has coached.
This group is very young this year. Yep. Got it. But they had Coleman, Blanc, Fairley, Goggans, Bynes, Stevens, Ethridge and on and on the previous two years....and they made the same mistakes and sucked equally as bad. The difference in last year and this was simply leadership. Period. Not coaching. Not adjustments. Just a huge group of seniors who eventually looked at each other during games and said, "I'm tired of sucking. I'm gonna' whip that mother fucker in front of me from here on out." If Lolley isn't teaching proper technique, it's Roof's job to recognize that shit and see that it gets fixed. If Pelton.....oh hell, you get the idea. Nothing short of a new defensive staff with a nasty attitude will do.
Agree, it's year #3 and the only improvement we saw was on the line last year. Fairley finally became who we thought he would be. I credit that to Rocker for lighting a fire under his ass. Blanc, Clayton, Carter, Goggans, Eguaue and Ford played solid ball. Solid players and a bad mother fucker on your line can and will work. Washington was the only one of our DB's last year that was consistently worth a shit. Did he get beat a couple of times and miss an assignment a few times, yes, did it make him look bad, yes. For the most part he was a decent CB. Bynes played solid ball at LB, he was smart but didn't have any speed. Other than that, no one has really played good solid football on the Defensive side of the ball for us in 3 years.
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Agree, it's year #3 and the only improvement we saw was on the line last year. Fairley finally became who we thought he would be. I credit that to Rocker for lighting a fire under his ass. Blanc, Clayton, Carter, Goggans, Eguaue and Ford played solid ball. Solid players and a bad mother fucker on your line can and will work. Washington was the only one of our DB's last year that was consistently worth a shit. Did he get beat a couple of times and miss an assignment a few times, yes, did it make him look bad, yes. For the most part he was a decent CB. Bynes played solid ball at LB, he was smart but didn't have any speed. Other than that, no one has really played good solid football on the Defensive side of the ball for us in 3 years.
I will give crebit where crebit be due. This defense played at a high level in 3 games in 2010. Otherwise, they pretty much sucked and did just enough to allow our bad azz offense to score more points. MSU, LSU and Oregon (They're just so fast)
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I will give crebit credick where crebit credick be due. This defense played at a high level in 3 games in 2010. Otherwise, they pretty much sucked and did just enough to allow our bad azz offense to score more points. MSU, LSU and Oregon (They're just so fast)
FTFY
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FTFY
You have goot credick, bat credick oh no credick at all
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I will give crebit where crebit be due. This defense played at a high level in 3 games in 2010. Otherwise, they pretty much sucked and did just enough to allow our bad azz offense to score more points. MSU, LSU and Oregon (They're just so fast)
I thought the front 4 played good solid ball and we got solid play from MLB........everywhere else, yeah not so much. We were 14th in Rush Defense at the end of the year last year giving up 117 ypg on the ground. Pass D we were 110th giving up over 265ypg. That sucks.
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Lolly is the same guy that was coaching DBs from 2000-2003 in which Auburn's pass defense was ranked 41st, 53rd, 26th, and 23rd nationally. His history absent Roof, is pretty solid. Since Roof: 57th, 108th, 48th. His worst work is under Roof. That 48th rank this season is doesn't reflect the fact that we're 85 in passing efficiency defense. I've met Lolley, and seen him give a clinic. I have no clue what he's like on the field, but he comes across as knowing what he's doing.
And as soon as he left in 2003 our pass defense improved and remained in the top 15's and 20's until he returned. Lolley has never coached anywhere but high school and Auburn. That should tell you something.
I'm going to be clear here, I don't know what scheme we run defensively other than a standard "4-3 Over" scheme. It's schematically sound. I know we run the standard coverages: Man, Cov 2, Cov 3, Combo. Beyond that, I don't know details. What is it about scheme that you see that you think is flawed?
No, it's not schematically sound. Ours isn't at least. We run a 4-3 Tampa 2. Four down linemen. 3 lb's. 2 corners and 2 safeties splitting centerfield *supposed to be* 12 yards off the line. Our safeties line up 15 yards deep. Corners are supposed to play press man and jam at the line. It's called the Tampa 2 due to the two safeties who are responsible for the two back halves of coverage and because the middle lb is responsible for the middle deep zone while the two safeties are supposed to help the corners on their respective halves of the field. Corners jam receivers on the line and pass off to their man to safeties at 12 yards. Our alignment back there is horrendous. Sometimes we have safeties too deep. Sometimes inexplicably we have CORNERS! 7-12 yards off the ball. It wasn't until game 4 when our LB finally knew what his responsibility was on that Holland pick. I'm not going to get into a book about what's wrong but most of it concerns our corner play and safeties being aligned too far back. Our corners don't know how to jam or are not lined up TO jam. They put our safeties in bad coverage circumstances(see the LSU TD's). Enough of the explanation. Here is all you need to see. http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=7119168&categoryid=2378529
I'm done explaining. Don't feel like really getting into this with you since it's obvious you wanted a fight over this.
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I would also like to add along with some possible coaching changes is having some LB's bigger and badder...or gooder. Man would I love to see Sanders and Owens playing that position. I know this has already been brought up but I just wanted to re-iferate.
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I would also like to add along with some possible coaching changes is having some LB's bigger and badder...or gooder. Man would I love to see Sanders and Owens playing that position. I know this has already been brought up but I just wanted to re-iferate.
I agree on the gooder Lbs. I think we will really enjoy watching Rah Rah White over the next few years, and he's a bigun. If the coarches could get either Sanders or Owens to learn the MLB spot, it would be a huge plus.
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I agree on the gooder Lbs. I think we will really enjoy watching Rah Rah White over the next few years, and he's a bigun. If the coarches could get either Sanders or Owens to learn the MLB spot, it would be a huge plus.
Was so excited about Rah-Rah and I still am. I think someone said Frost will come in about 230 which is good. Disappointed when LO went the route of DE.
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Was so excited about Rah-Rah and I still am. I think someone said Frost will come in about 230 which is good. Disappointed when LO went the route of DE.
Yeah, Buzz reminded me of Rah Rah because I had forgotten about him. He should be a great LB, he has the motor to be one. So does Sanders. Man alive is that guy ferocious. Also agree on Owens. I hate it the coaches moved him to DE. Unfortunately, I think both Sanders and Ford have put on too much weight for the coaches liking to play LB.