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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on November 02, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
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There was an advanced screening at the Alabama theater. It got good reviews from homers of both sides of the rivalry. I'm pretty pumped to see it. Got the DVR set. Next Tuesday.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/11/espns_roll_tide_war_eagle_film.html
ESPN's 'Roll Tide War Eagle' film: Cam Newton heard the music at Alabama, then wrote own finish
Published: Tuesday, November 01, 2011, 9:12 PM
Charles Goldberg/Auburn Bureau, The Birmingham News, Press-Register, and The Huntsville Times
AUBURN, Alabama -- Cam Newton heard the music and didn't like it. So as Alabama took a shot at him and played "Take the Money and Run" before the Iron Bowl last year, the Auburn quarterback considered the possibilities.
"I felt as if I had the whole crowd in my hands and my performance can either crush it, or my performance can give them what they want," Newton says.
Newton takes us through that day on the way to a victory and on to the national championship in ESPN's "Roll Tide-War Eagle" film about the heated rivalry that will air Nov. 8 at 7 p.m. Central Time. It was no ordinary trip in this extraordinary rivalry, as this well-done age-old story of the two teams unfolds with lots of history and interviews from both sides of great coaches, great players, colorful fans and interesting characters. There's plenty to like for both camps, like the personable Newton and Greg McElroy of Alabama. Alas, ESPN uses over-the-top fan Harvey Updyke most of the way to demonstrate what the rivalry has become to some. Newton is just one of the chapters in the film.
ESPN gave a sneak preview of the show at the Alabama Theatre in Birmingham on Tuesday night.
Newton showed up in Tuscaloosa trying to do what Alabama had done the Iron Bowl before -- win the game, go on to the national championship and produce a Heisman Trophy winner. Newton matched it. The NCAA would later say he and Auburn were on the up and up.
Cue the music in Bryant-Denny. Was Newton listening?
"It was different for me because of all the scrutiny that I went under through the NCAA investigation," Newton said. "I felt as if the whole crowd was out to get me. And what was most disrespectful, I felt, was when over at the whole arena, they played 'Take the Money and Run.'"
That's when Newton said he could either "crush it" or "give them what they want."
Auburn won 28-27.
Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley, Gene Chizik and Pat Dye are entertaining among Auburn's former players and current and past coaches interviewed. Alabama players and coaches balance the film.
Jackson, at one point, says of the big and athletic Newton: "It was like he dropped in to Auburn from outer space" and "when I met him for the first time, it was like, 'Wow, this kid needs to lay off the caffeine.'"
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I was actually surprised to see people from both sides who enjoyed it. Maybe this flick will calm some of the stupidity that is seriously getting out of control.
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I was actually surprised to see people from both sides who enjoyed it. Maybe this flick will calm some of the stupidity that is seriously getting out of control.
Shut the hell up, Bammer.
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Shut the hell up, Bammer.
<snicker>
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I think that is one thing that is pretty cool about Newton, and probably why he has been received so well in Carolina. He can just turn "it" on and give a big "fuck you". He put AU on his shoulders that day and willed them to a win. Guys like that are few and far between.
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I think that is one thing that is pretty cool about Newton, and probably why he has been received so well in Carolina. He can just turn "it" on and give a big "fudge you". He put AU on his shoulders that day and willed them to a win. Guys like that are few and far between.
Helps that bammers are quitters
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Helps that bammers are quitters
Best 18 posts in the business.
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Helps that bammers are quitters
I didn't just snicker...I laughed audibly...
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I was actually surprised to see people from both sides who enjoyed it. Maybe this flick will calm some of the stupidity that is seriously getting out of control.
That’s easy to say now. How would feel if some overzealous admitted Auburn kook burned down yawls favorite trailer park.
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That’s easy to say now. How would feel if some overzealous admitted Auburn kook burned down yawls favorite trailer park.
Bad comparison. A trailer park is not something unique to them. They have 1000's of them.
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Ain't watching that program any more than I'm watching THE GREATEST GAME EVER TO BE PLAYED this weekend.
Nothing for Auburn folks to see there. Just more sucking of the Bammer root.
No thanks.
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Bad comparison. A trailer park is not something unique to them. They have 1000's of them.
And dune gnoew adn got a buok about em:
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/rn1tam1/9088Trailer-Park-Trash-Posters-1.jpg)
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And dune gnoew adn got a buok about em:
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/rn1tam1/9088Trailer-Park-Trash-Posters-1.jpg)
Speaking of....well, sort of speaking of....the National Peanut Festival Fair is setting up here in Dothan as I type. For those that haven't been, it's a who's who of Southeast Alabama, Southwest Georgia and Northwest Florida trailer trash. There is more Bama gear worn each night than there will be a BDS Saturday. However, if you like a good ole trashy fair, some killer corn dogs, kettle corn, polish dogs and big ass turkey legs..and Lord knows I do.....Saturday is the night to go and jump on any ride, play any game and get anything you want to eat with no wait. There will only be 6 people in attendance.
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http://www.warblogle.com/2011/11/03/football/an-auburn-homers-review-of-r-t-war-eagle/
An Auburn Homer's Review of "R--- T---/War Eagle"
Let's clear this up right now: I am not a film reviewer. I do watch lots of scary movies and one day hope to make my own, but I have never been given the task of watching something for the purposes of reviewing. That being said, I do feel like I can watch a movie/show/documentary and give you my thoughts on how it was made, how the points were presented, and how I felt just after it was over.
I should start this by reminding you that I have only seen "R--- T---/War Eagle" once, in a theater, without taking notes, and without the ability to pause or rewind. I was also tweeting some of the major points in hopes to give you some idea of what it as all about, so I'm sure I missed a few things. I must also tell you that the first five minutes are a blur because I couldn't hear half off it. Why? Well, apparently the Alabama fans in attendance have have Crimson Tourette's and have to scream uncontrollably any time they see someone connected to Alabama.
The screams rivaled anything you would hear on any gameday, only this was at a movie, in an old-timey theater in downtown Birmingham. Considering there were people from ESPN there, people like Bruce Feldman, I was sincerely embarrassed as a Alabama citizen. But that's another blog for another time. On to the show...
As most Auburn fans expected and feared, the opening shot of "R--- T---/War Eagle" is of Paul Finebaum's studio, shortly followed by a few of the famous calls to the show from the past few months. I immediately suspected my assumption was truth, but fortunately I was proven wrong by the end of the documentary.
As a whole, Finebaum is quite objective, paints a pretty fair picture, and mostly talks about the rivalry in general without taking any real jabs at any one side. He's mostly only the focal point in the beginning as they set the scene for the Harvey Updyke situation, but over the course of the documentary he only pops up a few other times. I can't remember one thing that he said that I did not agree with. When does that ever happen? It goes to show the lengths the filmmakers went to make sure this was not a one-sided affair.
Some may ask why a radio talk show host is even in a documentary about the Auburn/Alabama, but like it or not, his show has become the medium for most of the craziness that has occurred over the last two years. You may think he doesn't know his stuff in terms of X's and O's, but this was a show about rivalry, and his platform is this most entertaining and the best known platform out there.
As far as the calls from his show that were played, I thought surely that they would be misused to portray the entire state as a bunch of lunatics that have nothing to do but to call a radio show. Maybe it's because I know that the callers don't represent the entire state, but I never got that vibe. I took these segments to be comic relief, and so did the crowd. Auburn and Alabama fans alike were laughing together at the stupidity that is spewed on Finebaum's show each day. But therein lies a small problem. Will the rest of the country realize that these callers are the lunatic fringe? Probably not. But believe me, Auburn fans really need not worry, except when Tammy's talking. (I love you, Tammy.) The dumb was heavy in Crimson. As is the truth in all things.
Another fear that Auburn fans had expressed all over message boards, Twitter, etc. was that ESPN would portray Alabama as the big brother, while Auburn would be portrayed as the little farm school fighting for scraps. That was not the case.
There were multiple interviews with coaches and players on both sides that helped tell a pretty accurate story of the rivalry. Pat Dye, Bo Jackson, and Charles Barkley stood their ground and didn't pull any punches. They told it like it was, and did it in a very funny and entertaining way. The documentary lives on one-liners and these three were the main contributors.
On the other side, Mark Ingram told us in multiple ways that he hates Auburn, which he should, and Greg McElroy told a story about how Alabama fans were texting him the night before the 2010 Iron Bowl letting him know that the game would define his legacy, one year removed from his own National Championship. This did not help the "just one crazy" argument we've heard since Updyke came on the scene.
Speaking of Updyke, as expected, Harvey is one of the main focal points. He is interviewed, explains his hat collection, and is shot in many artsy, sitting-on-a-railroad-track-while-chunking-rocks sorts of ways. You won't really learn anything new about him. He is exactly what you know from hearing him on Finebaum. He still hates Auburn and is not remorseful for what he's done, although he claims he didn't do it.
The Cam Newton saga gets some play. Cam is interviewed and talks about "Take the Money and Run" being played at Bryant-Denny. You'll like that part. There's no more of this mouth-covering stuff going on. Like the other Auburn guys in the piece, he tells it like it is, or actually was.
However, there was one small thing that irked me when watching his segment. At the time of the interview (July 2011), the NCAA investigation involving his recruitment was still open. As he did most of last season, he says that he is unable to comment on the situation because "as they say, it's an open investigation," followed by a really big grin that will infuriate the world outside of Auburn. The producers quickly cut to another scene, leaving that smile as the last thing you see from Cam.
To some it may look like he was smiling in a "I got away with it" way, but in all actuality it was likely a smile of "sorry, I know I say this a lot." It really was just Cam being Cam, and the people who hated it before will still hate it now.
For the most part, I felt the documentary was fair and did a decent job of showing the world how we got here. You can't put 100 years of history in an hour and rightfully give enough time to the last two years, but I feel like they did the best job possible.
You all know that if there was anyone that would find something wrong with anything that's talking about Auburn/Alabama, it would be me, and I just don't remember anything that made me too mad when I left the theater. I'd say that after you see it, if you are upset, then you are just looking for things to be upset about.
You should be left with a sense of pride once it's over given that it's just the story of the rivalry in its current state and that Auburn has the most to brag about right now. It's the truth and they portray it how it is. There is no "yeah Auburn won last year, but they are still in the shadow of Alabama." They just tell the story, and right now, in terms of Auburn-Alabama, until November 26, 2011, the story is good for Auburn fans.
When it comes down to it, this documentary was not made for Auburn and Alabama fans. It was made for the world to get a deeper glimpse at Auburn and Alabama fans. I think it does that in a very entertaining way. Fans of both schools should be able to look at it and think "man, we have some idiots." Let's just hope the rest of the world doesn't see it and think "man, they are all idiots." I don't think they will. In my opinion, it is a must watch.
You can watch "Roll Tide/War Eagle" next Tuesday, November 8th, at 7pm CT on ESPN. If you can't see it at that time, and haven't upgraded to a DVR, here are a few other air times:
FRIDAY, NOV. 11 -- ESPN2: 1 a.m.
SATURDAY, NOV. 12 -- ESPN2: 8 a.m.
SUNDAY, NOV. 20 -- ESPN2: 11:30 p.m.
SATURDAY, NOV. 26 -- ESPN2: 8:30 a.m.
SUNDAY, NOV. 27 -- ESPN2: 1 a.m., 3:30 p.m.
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I have no interest in this at all. I doubt I will watch it.
We aren't defined by them and I don't care to be compared, contrasted or evaluated based on their ignorance and general stupidity.
They are, however, defined by us. The end all and be all of their existence comes down to about three hours in November. There is nothing else for them. So fuck them all, fuck their mothers, fuck their sisters, fuck their brothers, cousins, uncles, aunts, nephews, neices and bastard children. If every Alabama fan on the face of the earth disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't bother me a bit.
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I have no interest in this at all. I doubt I will watch it.
We aren't defined by them and I don't care to be compared, contrasted or evaluated based on their ignorance and general stupidity.
They are, however, defined by us. The end all and be all of their existence comes down to about three hours in November. There is nothing else for them. So fuck them all, fuck their mothers, fuck their sisters, fuck their brothers, cousins, uncles, aunts, nephews, neices and bastard children. If every Alabama fan on the face of the earth disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't bother me a bit.
I know when I see you have responded, I'm going to get at least a little chuckle. I do, however, think your post is what the movie is all about.
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I know when I see you have responded, I'm going to get at least a little chuckle. I do, however, think your post is what the movie is all about.
He's in the movie.....in a threesome with the Houndstooth Twins
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Speaking of....well, sort of speaking of....the National Peanut Festival Fair is setting up here in Dothan as I type. For those that haven't been, it's a who's who of Southeast Alabama, Southwest Georgia and Northwest Florida trailer trash. There is more Bama gear worn each night than there will be a BDS Saturday. However, if you like a good ole trashy fair, some killer corn dogs, kettle corn, polish dogs and big ass turkey legs..and Lord knows I do.....Saturday is the night to go and jump on any ride, play any game and get anything you want to eat with no wait. There will only be 6 people in attendance.
You going Sunday right? Maybe we can take some pics for the X of Bammers in the fried spam contest.
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I know when I see you have responded, I'm going to get at least a little chuckle. I do, however, think your post is what the movie is all about.
Oh yeah....THIS ^^^^^
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I know when I see you have responded, I'm going to get at least a little chuckle. I do, however, think your post is what the movie is all about.
Didn't say I wanted to kill them all. Just that I wouldn't notice if they all disappeared. Well, unless I went to Wal Mart and there were no cashiers.
And the houndstooth twins? The only way I'm in a three way with those skank nasty whores is it was a snuff film and I was doing the snuffing. If the only three people left in the world were me and those two pig-eyed crab carriers? The human race would die out.
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Didn't say I wanted to kill them all. Just that I wouldn't notice if they all disappeared. Well, unless I went to Wal Mart and there were no cashiers.
And the houndstooth twins? The only way I'm in a three way with those skank nasty whores is it was a snuff film and I was doing the snuffing. If the only three people left in the world were me and those two pig-eyed crab carriers? The human race would die out.
If the only DNA left on earth was yours and those two, we would thank you. We would get nothing but rants and thrown tomatoes, but delivered with vaguely vapid stares.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7190984
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7190854
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7190937
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Still not interested. Too much Saban. Don't give a fuck about him or anything Droopy Dawg says.
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Still not interested. Too much Saban. Don't give a fuck about him or anything Droopy Dawg says.
This. Twice.
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Still not interested. Too much Saban. Don't give a fuck about him or anything Droopy Dawg says.
You'll watch.
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You'll watch.
Nope. I really won't.
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Nope. I really won't.
Maybe not tomorrow...but eventually.
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Every ad or clip seems totally from their side with some of our people in rebuttal (Dye, Barkley, Cam). Why would I watch that? I hear that shit everyday.
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Every ad or clip seems totally from their side with some of our people in rebuttal (Dye, Barkley, Cam). Why would I watch that? I hear that shit everyday.
The level headed take I've heard from those that have seen the whole thing say it's completely neutral.
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I first heard about this a few months ago in an ESPNU football podcast I was listening too. The guy that came up with the idea and produced it(Joe Tessitore), and the director (Martin Khodabakhshian) have no reason to show any bias because they are both northern guys with no ties to either UAT or AU. If I remember correctly, Tessitore got the idea from attending last year's Iron Bowl. He had attended other big rivalry games before, such as Michigan/Ohio State, but discovered that none of them compared in intensity and atmosphere to the AU/UAT rivalry.
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From what I've seen it's incredibly evenly unbiased, treating both programs as mirror image equals, which considering the media treatment we're used to, is progress for Auburn. Finebaum supposedly feigns neutral the entire program, to the surprise of many Auburn homers who reviewed it. Barkley is the the star of the show with all of the funniest lines.
http://youtu.be/Mqz76a7Qap8
http://youtu.be/Ves_cV2DdVs
http://youtu.be/viS8TS8Ewaw
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Bo Jackson calls us "The University of Auburn?" (in the video Chizad just posted, "The history of the chants" at the 1:15 point)
What the fuck?
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Bo Jackson calls us "The University of Auburn?" (in the video Chizad just posted, "The history of the chants" at the 1:15 point)
What the fuck?
Yeah...that made me cringe too.
As did Mark Ingram. I try to like the fucker...I just can't...
Also that no one (at least in that clip) explained the true meaning of "Crimson Tied."
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All of the 30 on 30 films have been excellent and objective. I will watch this one solely based on their past work of producing good shit. As someone said earlier (Ranger12 I think), I dont think these guys have a dog in the fight and SHOULD be objective in telling the story. If they are not, I will say fuck em afterwards.
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Work/Play is hosting a premiere of this. Free admission and wings while they last.
I would do this if I still lived in the Ham.
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Work/Play is hosting a premiere of this. Free admission and wings while they last.
I would do this if I still lived in the Ham.
Not me, unless it were limited to Aubs.
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Work/Play is hosting a premiere of this. Free admission and wings while they last.
I would do this if I still lived in the Ham.
Fuck work play and the Hunter brothers who don't pay their bills when they get glass and aluminum installed.
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Fuck work play and the Hunter brothers who don't pay their bills when they get glass and aluminum installed.
Galss and aluminim? It's all ball bearings these days.
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Galss and aluminim? It's all ball bearings these days.
Go get me some Quaker State.
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I've got it set to record, but to be honest, I'm very apprehensive about this...
I know there will be people on both sides that make us look like the biggest retards on the planet.
Like when Finebaum played the Charles from Reeltown and Phyllis (sp) call... Holy shit that was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever heard in my life. Those people are like 60 and they argue like that? People can say that's just the rivalry, but I call bull shit. It's not a rivalry in that sense, it's blatant retardation.
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I've got it set to record, but to be honest, I'm very apprehensive about this...
I know there will be people on both sides that make us look like the biggest retards on the planet.
Like when Finebaum played the Charles from Reeltown and Phyllis (sp) call... Holy shit that was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever heard in my life. Those people are like 60 and they argue like that? People can say that's just the rivalry, but I call bull shit. It's not a rivalry in that sense, it's blatant retardation.
This^^ Every time Tammy or Legend or any of the other yahoo plant callers come on, I cringe that his show is national now and that's the stereotype people have of Alabama and the South in general.
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This^^ Every time Tammy or Legend or any of the other yahoo plant callers come on, I cringe that his show is national now and that's the stereotype people have of Alabama and the South in general.
Agree, when I think Finebaum loons, the first 3 that pop in my head are Legend, Shane and Tammy.
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Agree, when I think Finebaum loons, the first 3 that pop in my head are Legend, Shane and Tammy.
You know, I may be rethinking my position, though. Did you make it to the Peanut Festival?
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You know, I may be rethinking my position, though. Did you make it to the Peanut Festival?
No...did you take some bammer pics for me?
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I've got it set to record, but to be honest, I'm very apprehensive about this...
I know there will be people on both sides that make us look like the biggest retards on the planet.
Like when Finebaum played the Charles from Reeltown and Phyllis (sp) call... Holy shit that was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever heard in my life. Those people are like 60 and they argue like that? People can say that's just the rivalry, but I call bull shit. It's not a rivalry in that sense, it's blatant retardation.
It could be worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ysuG2O0zw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ysuG2O0zw)
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No...did you take some bammer pics for me?
I got one just as we got there but it just didn't capture the true essence of bammerdom. I did get the backwards UA cap with the fish hook on the bill, but that was a small part of his get up. Going back Thursday in camo so I'll blend in.
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I got one just as we got there but it just didn't capture the true essence of bammerdom. I did get the backwards UA cap with the fish hook on the bill, but that was a small part of his get up. Going back Thursday in camo so I'll blend in.
You mean dirty blue jeans with multiple rips and a XXXXL crimson shirt with a hole torn in the armpit right? Oh, and the smell of must and trailers.
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I want to know why they would give that ignorant asshole updyke any more airtime then he has already had. I fuckin hate ESPN.
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I want to know why they would give that ignorant asshole updyke any more airtime then he has already had. I fuckin hate ESPN.
To illustrate what the rivalry has become to some people. Harvey is a fact. Giving him air time doesn't benefit him or bammer. Quite the opposite.
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I realize that I am biased, but this has been anything but impartial so far.
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I realize that I am biased, but this has been anything but impartial so far.
Um, well, I thought it was impartial...it wandered from side to side. In the end, it still didn't do justice to the rivalry. I guess if you're not here, you can't understand it. I wasn't pissed, impressed, inspired...just "meh".
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I didn't like it. Too shallow and omitted important details about the rivalry. Too much attention was given to the lunatic fringe of the fan bases, mainly Alabama's.
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Um, well, I thought it was impartial...it wandered from side to side. In the end, it still didn't do justice to the rivalry. I guess if you're not here, you can't understand it. I wasn't pissed, impressed, inspired...just "meh".
Started out appearing as a crimson pep rally, then went in to the "Auburn is racist" stance, followed by the "ugliness" of Auburn paying off Gene Jelks, and finished with the pride of alabama after the storms. Nope...not biased at all.
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More importantly, Jelks was guilty of Pay-For-Play. Would anyone care if a Bama fan paid Cam to say he was paid?
The tornado thing wasn't the end. It then went on to show that despite the venom Auburn gets from these insane redneck bama fans, Auburn fans, and even coaches actively went to Tuscaloosa to lend a helping hand.
Shows that we have human decency, where it didn't appear that they did.
And actually, the film ended by stating Auburn was cleared by the NCAA in the Cam Newton case.
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Fuck that piece of shit documentary.
Who paid Gene Jelks?
How many fucktard Bama fans have excused Harvey Updyke because they're "just trees"?
Who's been considered "staring down the barrel of a gun" by the NCAA as recently as 2002?
Who treated normal every day people like dogshit because their football team so happened to be winning ball games?
Who perpetuated the false allegations against Cam Newton, and further, who contrived and perpetuated the false allegations against Auburn University?
How many times did Mr. Greg McBaldingRoy flick off the Auburn fans in two separate Iron Bowls?
Who cherry picks the callers to perpetuate the notion that the state of Alabama is full of backwoods, bigoted retards who don't have a lick of sense?
That was foul. All of it. It glossed over the truth of the rampant bullshit that some Alabama fans have created out of their vicarious living through their football team and their incessant desire to assert themselves as superior to another group of people.
Harvey Updyke being included in a majority of the segments? That's what represents the rivalry? Good God that's what represents the Finebaum show. I'd hope it doesn't represent the majority of Alabama fans and Auburn fans. I guess Martin Knoddoekvidalneivoaievialski decided that Updyke was good enough for entertainment.
Gene Jelks being paid by an Auburn fan. Shaking my head. "I never knew who it actually was." Fuck him. No one paid you, dickhead.
Fuck ESPN too.
/Mad.
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More importantly, Jelks was guilty of Pay-For-Play. Would anyone care if a Bama fan paid Cam to say he was paid?
The tornado thing wasn't the end. It then went on to show that despite the venom Auburn gets from these insane redneck bama fans, Auburn fans, and even coaches actively went to Tuscaloosa to lend a helping hand.
Shows that we have human decency, where it didn't appear that they did.
And actually, the film ended by stating Auburn was cleared by the NCAA in the Cam Newton case.
If you didn't go in expecting it to be slanted to bammer, it was unbiased. If you pick and choose what you want you can slant it either way. I would think the "normal" bammer would be embarrassed by the prominence of Updyke. Auburn fans, compared to that of Updyke came across "normal".
The tornado happened. It's a fact.
Gelks? Hell I don't even recall that really, and they could have, but didn't even mention Eric Ramsey.
Here's the thing. You can't explain this rivalry to someone in North Dakota, or California in an hour documentary, and have them understand it. It told me NOTHING I didn't already know, but I wasn't the target demographic.
If you think it painted bammer in a positive light, more power to you. You didn't watch. I'd be embarrassed if I was them.
Auburn didn't cause the tornado.
If you wanted to find bias, you could find it from either side.
As far as being good TV...not so much.
Unlike it's billing, the film was pretty much about the last 2 seasons, and nothing more.
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It was an "unbiased" account that portrayed Alabama and Auburn fans as total dumbass rednecks who have little value and respect for other human beings. Sorry - I can't forget the two second inclusion of Chizik going to Tuscaloosa to pick up some debris after the tornadoes.
It was the Finebaum show in an ESPN special.
And not to mention - Most people who aren't in the state of Alabama are making fun of us. My Facebook has quite a few derisive posts thanks to this documentary on a football game that included very little football. More about how the people treat each other. More about how Finebaum callers treat each other on the Finebaum show.
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It was an "unbiased" account that portrayed Alabama and Auburn fans as total dumbass rednecks who have little value and respect for other human beings.
It was the Finebaum show in an ESPN special.
Now, I can more easily get behind that.
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If you didn't go in expecting it to be slanted to bammer, it was unbiased. If you pick and choose what you want you can slant it either way. I would think the "normal" bammer would be embarrassed by the prominence of Updyke. Auburn fans, compared to that of Updyke came across "normal".
The tornado happened. It's a fact.
Gelks? Hell I don't even recall that really, and they could have, but didn't even mention Eric Ramsey.
Here's the thing. You can't explain this rivalry to someone in North Dakota, or California in an hour documentary, and have them understand it. It told me NOTHING I didn't already know, but I wasn't the target demographic.
If you think it painted bammer in a positive light, more power to you. You didn't watch. I'd be embarrassed if I was them.
Auburn didn't cause the tornado.
If you wanted to find bias, you could find it from either side.
As far as being good TV...not so much.
Unlike it's billing, the film was pretty much about the last 2 seasons, and nothing more.
Was thinking the same thing about Ramsay/Watkins no mention.
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I recorded it but have not watched it yet. If I was to judge by the FB posts of my UAT and AU friends, it sounds like it might have made UAT look a little bad. So far all of my AU friends are giving the show props, while a couple of UAT friends are claiming it was biased.
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I recorded it but have not watched it yet. If I was to judge by the FB posts of my UAT and AU friends, it sounds like it might have made UAT look a little bad. So far all of my AU friends are giving the show props, while a couple of UAT friends are claiming it was biased.
Unless you went in thinking "I'm going to hate this because I know it's biased", then you can't think that. If you hate it because it wasn't great at dealing with the subject matter, then you're on target.
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Btw, I'm happy as hell that the '10 Iron Bowl is still affecting Gay Talese (fuckin' arrogant old man).
Also...*Note to self*...Don't ever piss off Takeo Spikes...Ever...No matter what. I've forgotten how badass that mutha fucker is.
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Coach Pat Dye has his finger on the pulse of the rivalry better than anyone.
Alabama has no persona to match the likes of Bo Jackson, Charles Barkley and Cam Newton.
Updyke is a demented Bear worshiper.
The result of the tornado(s) is a story unto itself.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsTJV6GmURk
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The documentary could have focused on so many other things to portray this as the most intense rivalry in college football.
More details on the history of the two schools.
More details on how the game was suspended for 40 years and the importance of it coming back.
The economic implications of the two football teams and the game for the state.
Punt Bama Punt.
The 9 game win streak in the 70s and how the Bear dominated.
Bo Over the Top and how it changed the momentum of the rivalry.
The 1989 Iron Bowl and how the game had been played in Birmingham for so many years with Auburn promising that things would be different if the game would be moved to Auburn every other year.
The streak and how Alabama answered it with a 36-0 beat down in Tuscaloosa.
The 2009/2010 seasons (which they did include).
They could have also discussed how the state can produce two of the top football programs in the country despite having one of the smaller populations and being considered extremely poor. You want to discuss the lunacy of football fans? Take a few shots of the black belt and post our education statistics then talk about how much money and effort goes into keeping the football programs top notch.
Instead, we got the typical Finebaum caller bullshit:
Gene Jelks was paid by an AU booster. (Unsubstantiated)
Fans of both schools think and do irrational things to hurt each other. (Harvey Updyke's the only one I know of)
Both schools cheat or try to catch the other cheating. (Logan Young did try to purchase a player. Cam Newton allegations were all made up by rival fans and perpetuated by Danny Sheridan and Paul Finebaum and Pete Thamel.)
Auburn fans rolled Toomer's when the Bear died. (Never happened. No proof of anything like that happening except the bogus claims by a few fringe Alabama fans.)
Charles Barkley fulfilling what ALabama fans want Auburn fans to think - that we have an inferiority complex. (Maybe in the 1970s, but in my time as an Auburn fan, I haven't seen it.)
Use Barkley to insinuate that Auburn may have used race as a reason to not hire Turner Gill. (Auburn may have never had a black head coach in football, but Turner Gill sucked and that story was dead a long time ago.)
I guess I felt like with the topics they chose to talk about in the documentary, it should have been more biased against Alabama.
Instead, they used bullshit allegations to help convince the uninformed fan living in another state that everyone here is backwoods and redneck. (Successful if my Facebook, Tigerdroppings, and Twitter have anything to say about it)
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Gene Jelks was paid by an AU booster. (Unsubstantiated)
Fans of both schools think and do irrational things to hurt each other. (Harvey Updyke's the only one I know of)
Both schools cheat or try to catch the other cheating. (Logan Young did try to purchase a player. Cam Newton allegations were all made up by rival fans and perpetuated by Danny Sheridan and Paul Finebaum and Pete Thamel.)
Auburn fans rolled Toomer's when the Bear died. (Never happened. No proof of anything like that happening except the bogus claims by a few fringe Alabama fans.)
Charles Barkley fulfilling what ALabama fans want Auburn fans to think - that we have an inferiority complex. (Maybe in the 1970s, but in my time as an Auburn fan, I haven't seen it.)
Use Barkley to insinuate that Auburn may have used race as a reason to not hire Turner Gill. (Auburn may have never had a black head coach in football, but Turner Gill sucked and that story was dead a long time ago.)
I guess I felt like with the topics they chose to talk about in the documentary, it should have been more biased against Alabama.
Instead, they used bullshit allegations to help convince the uninformed fan living in another state that everyone here is backwoods and redneck. (Successful if my Facebook, Tigerdroppings, and Twitter have anything to say about it)
^^^THIS...ALL OF IT^^^
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Brace yourself. It's gonna get long.
The documentary could have focused on so many other things to portray this as the most intense rivalry in college football.
More details on the history of the two schools.
It was a one hour documentary. It was marketed as the story of the craziness that has been the last two years in this rivalry and Alabama's 2009 National Championship/Heisman/Close Iron Bowl comeback victory vs. Auburn's 2010 National Championship/Heisman/Close Iron Bowl comeback victory. It was about the present Saban/Chizik era. It was about the Toomer's poisoning and the tornadoes that struck Tuscaloosa. It was about the brief second where we chilled out on the vitriol because of that. It was about how it didn't last long. I thought it handled all of that well. Is it the be all/end all documentary on all things Iron Bowl? You would need a 6 hour miniseries to even begin to do it the justice you're expecting. The only purpose of mentioning the history of the rivalry before Saban/Chizik arrived is to set the backdrop for how deep-seated the rivalry is. Not to explore it in great detail. Perhaps another documentary will.
More details on how the game was suspended for 40 years and the importance of it coming back.
Covered. Again, there's only 1 hour to tell the story of the last two years. What do you want them to do here besides what they did. Explain why it happened, and explain that it was miserable and explain why it came back.
The economic implications of the two football teams and the game for the state.
I think it was suggested that it's a big deal. They may not have gone into an hour's worth of detail with interviewing local business owners and economists, but that wasn't what this film was about. And that film would be boring, if you ask me.
Punt Bama Punt.
Covered.
The 9 game win streak in the 70s and how the Bear dominated.
Covered.
Bo Over the Top and how it changed the momentum of the rivalry.
Covered.
The 1989 Iron Bowl and how the game had been played in Birmingham for so many years with Auburn promising that things would be different if the game would be moved to Auburn every other year.
This might have been interesting, I agree. But again, with time limitations, and for the purposes of setting up the actual story of this documentary, it had to be condensed to "Bear dominated, but Bo over the top ended 9 years of Auburn agony, and it's never been the same since." Works for me. The way they approached it actually plays to Auburn's favor a bit.
The streak and how Alabama answered it with a 36-0 beat down in Tuscaloosa.
Reread my previous answer.
The 2009/2010 seasons (which they did include).
Which was the intended focus of this film.
They could have also discussed how the state can produce two of the top football programs in the country despite having one of the smaller populations and being considered extremely poor. You want to discuss the lunacy of football fans? Take a few shots of the black belt and post our education statistics then talk about how much money and effort goes into keeping the football programs top notch.
Again, give them more than an hour to tell the 2009/2010 story, and perhaps they could explore this.
Instead, we got the typical Finebaum caller bullshit:
Like it or not, it's part of the story. Especially in the Harvey Updyke story, which is an integral part of the last two years' drama. The more he was on screen, the worse for Bama, and the better for Auburn. It's not like they were promoting his book or something. Bama fans were represented as crazy. There was no equivalent to him, or even the random calls they played, from the Auburn side.
Gene Jelks was paid by an AU booster. (Unsubstantiated)
Agree, that could have been left out. But I think he looked stupid saying "Some Auburn guy paid me to come out, I don't remember who it was." Sounds like he's trying to save face, which is supported by his renewed interest in redemption that he also sought by returning to Tuscaloosa for tornado relief. The bottom line is, they mentioned Bama paying Gene Jelks and didn't mention a damn thing about Eric Ramsey. The only allegations about Auburn cheating, was a brief synopsis of Cam-gate, which the film ended with stating the NCAA cleared Auburn and Cam of all wrongdoing and Cam saying "Of course I'm not gonna have to give my Heisman back."
Fans of both schools think and do irrational things to hurt each other. (Harvey Updyke's the only one I know of)
Didn't get that out of it. They didn't show any other examples. They showed crazy assed Updyke, and others saying vitriolic hateful things about Auburn. They made it look, to me, like the whole fanbase was a bunch of assholes. But what does the Auburn coaches, players, and fans do when tragedy hits Tuscaloosa? They take the high road and lend a helping hand. To me, it portrayed Auburn fans as having the human decency that Alabama fans lack. It didn't mention the superficial Tuscaloosa for Toomer's shit.
Both schools cheat or try to catch the other cheating. (Logan Young did try to purchase a player. Cam Newton allegations were all made up by rival fans and perpetuated by Danny Sheridan and Paul Finebaum and Pete Thamel.)
Didn't get your first sentence out of it. Definitely got the parenthetical out of it.
Auburn fans rolled Toomer's when the Bear died. (Never happened. No proof of anything like that happening except the bogus claims by a few fringe Alabama fans.)
Agree with this. Wish they would have refuted it. But ultimately, it wasn't an interviewee that said that, it was one of the batshit Finebaum callers, which I think rational people will dismiss as such.
Charles Barkley fulfilling what ALabama fans want Auburn fans to think - that we have an inferiority complex. (Maybe in the 1970s, but in my time as an Auburn fan, I haven't seen it.)
Use Barkley to insinuate that Auburn may have used race as a reason to not hire Turner Gill. (Auburn may have never had a black head coach in football, but Turner Gill sucked and that story was dead a long time ago.)
Agree with this. But blame Sir Charles. We know the man has no filter. It's part of his gift and his curse. In his defense, he was saying this in the segment that was talking about Bear Bryant's reign, when it probably was the case. Again, I wish he didn't say it. I also wish they would have given him space to retract his statements on Turner Gill by pointing out Chizik's success and Gill's failure since the hire was made. But I doubt he offered that to the cameras and they just didn't air it.
I guess I felt like with the topics they chose to talk about in the documentary, it should have been more biased against Alabama.
Instead, they used bullshit allegations to help convince the uninformed fan living in another state that everyone here is backwoods and redneck. (Successful if my Facebook, Tigerdroppings, and Twitter have anything to say about it)
There's your trouble. Of course we do. We're homers. We're bitter. This documentary wasn't called "Roll Tide Cheating Redneck Sons Of Bitches/War Fucking Eagle, Noble Gentlemen", although I would have preferred that title. It wasn't produced by the Auburn athletic department. It's not made for Auburn fans by Auburn fans. It was an attempt to tell an even-handed story about how crazy the last two years of this rivalry has gotten. To me, if I'm looking at it objectively, I think it painted Bama fans much worse than Auburn fans. They have Updyke, they cheated and paid Jelks, and they were ungrateful when Auburn fans and coaches lent a helping hand after the hurricane. The only dark spot that was probably planned originally to play against Auburn was the Cam stuff, but since he was cleared it was more about the allegations from bammers, and the classlessness of playing "Take the Money and Run", etc.
As I was typing this, I had a group of people come up to my desk and said "Wow. I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, I've heard, but wow. That was really interesting." They came to me for follow-up information. They didn't know about the Iron Bowl being suspended. I filled them in on some of the details. Some of them didn't even know about Updyke. Their impression of him was not good, to say the least. "His excuse was he has too much Bama in him? What a crazy redneck." That was the purpose of this documentary. To inform people who have no idea about this stuff. To try to at least scratch the surface in explaining how crazy the rivalry truly is.
As an Auburn fan, of course there were a few things I would have changed, but then it wouldn't have been as even and unbiased as it was.
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The documentary could have focused on so many other things to portray this as the most intense rivalry in college football.
More details on the history of the two schools.
More details on how the game was suspended for 40 years and the importance of it coming back.
The economic implications of the two football teams and the game for the state.
Punt Bama Punt.
The 9 game win streak in the 70s and how the Bear dominated.
Bo Over the Top and how it changed the momentum of the rivalry.
The 1989 Iron Bowl and how the game had been played in Birmingham for so many years with Auburn promising that things would be different if the game would be moved to Auburn every other year.
The streak and how Alabama answered it with a 36-0 beat down in Tuscaloosa.
The 2009/2010 seasons (which they did include).
They could have also discussed how the state can produce two of the top football programs in the country despite having one of the smaller populations and being considered extremely poor. You want to discuss the lunacy of football fans? Take a few shots of the black belt and post our education statistics then talk about how much money and effort goes into keeping the football programs top notch.
Instead, we got the typical Finebaum caller bullshit:
Gene Jelks was paid by an AU booster. (Unsubstantiated)
Fans of both schools think and do irrational things to hurt each other. (Harvey Updyke's the only one I know of)
Both schools cheat or try to catch the other cheating. (Logan Young did try to purchase a player. Cam Newton allegations were all made up by rival fans and perpetuated by Danny Sheridan and Paul Finebaum and Pete Thamel.)
Auburn fans rolled Toomer's when the Bear died. (Never happened. No proof of anything like that happening except the bogus claims by a few fringe Alabama fans.)
Charles Barkley fulfilling what ALabama fans want Auburn fans to think - that we have an inferiority complex. (Maybe in the 1970s, but in my time as an Auburn fan, I haven't seen it.)
Use Barkley to insinuate that Auburn may have used race as a reason to not hire Turner Gill. (Auburn may have never had a black head coach in football, but Turner Gill sucked and that story was dead a long time ago.)
I guess I felt like with the topics they chose to talk about in the documentary, it should have been more biased against Alabama.
Instead, they used bullshit allegations to help convince the uninformed fan living in another state that everyone here is backwoods and redneck. (Successful if my Facebook, Tigerdroppings, and Twitter have anything to say about it)
Their hasn't been an inferiority complex on the FB field since Pat Dye was hired. Hard to have one when you have the upper hand the last 30 years. And before 1958 Auburn was the better school as well. Everything those fucktards have done has been in response to our success. I.e. => Auburn 1957 NC with Shug, 1958 Bama hires Bear. Bammers like to believe that inferiority line of bullshit to make themselves feel better. Unfortunately, some Auburn folks have started believing it. Bama good ole boys like Talese are the very ones who have perpetuated the stereotype that we are 2nd class idiots at Auburn. Looking at the majority of their fanbase, I find that school of though extremely ironic. My only guess is that to the Bama good old boy club, people in their base like Updyke and the like are used as "useful idiots" in the war.
And Bama actually PAID for Gene Jelks. At most, an AU booster merely forked over some money to get the truth exposed. In direct contast, Eric Ramsey was SETUP with a tape recorder for the sole purpose of getting Auburn in trouble, with his hand out! Huge difference....but no, don't mention any of that.
It was a valid effort on the director's part but it just proves that an outsider will never be able to convey the true story and tone of the rivalry. It was as good as could be expected from a company HQ in the Northeast.
I can't believe 1989 wasn't touched.
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Brace yourself. It's gonna get long.
It was a one hour documentary. It was marketed as the story of the craziness that has been the last two years in this rivalry and Alabama's 2009 National Championship/Heisman/Close Iron Bowl comeback victory vs. Auburn's 2010 National Championship/Heisman/Close Iron Bowl comeback victory. It was about the present Saban/Chizik era. It was about the Toomer's poisoning and the tornadoes that struck Tuscaloosa. It was about the brief second where we chilled out on the vitriol because of that. It was about how it didn't last long. I thought it handled all of that well. Is it the be all/end all documentary on all things Iron Bowl? You would need a 6 hour miniseries to even begin to do it the justice you're expecting. The only purpose of mentioning the history of the rivalry before Saban/Chizik arrived is to set the backdrop for how deep-seated the rivalry is. Not to explore it in great detail. Perhaps another documentary will.
Covered. Again, there's only 1 hour to tell the story of the last two years. What do you want them to do here besides what they did. Explain why it happened, and explain that it was miserable and explain why it came back.
I think it was suggested that it's a big deal. They may not have gone into an hour's worth of detail with interviewing local business owners and economists, but that wasn't what this film was about. And that film would be boring, if you ask me.
Covered.
Covered.
Covered.
This might have been interesting, I agree. But again, with time limitations, and for the purposes of setting up the actual story of this documentary, it had to be condensed to "Bear dominated, but Bo over the top ended 9 years of Auburn agony, and it's never been the same since." Works for me. The way they approached it actually plays to Auburn's favor a bit.
Reread my previous answer.
Which was the intended focus of this film.
Again, give them more than an hour to tell the 2009/2010 story, and perhaps they could explore this.
Like it or not, it's part of the story. Especially in the Harvey Updyke story, which is an integral part of the last two years' drama. The more he was on screen, the worse for Bama, and the better for Auburn. It's not like they were promoting his book or something. Bama fans were represented as crazy. There was no equivalent to him, or even the random calls they played, from the Auburn side.
Agree, that could have been left out. But I think he looked stupid saying "Some Auburn guy paid me to come out, I don't remember who it was." Sounds like he's trying to save face, which is supported by his renewed interest in redemption that he also sought by returning to Tuscaloosa for tornado relief. The bottom line is, they mentioned Bama paying Gene Jelks and didn't mention a damn thing about Eric Ramsey. The only allegations about Auburn cheating, was a brief synopsis of Cam-gate, which the film ended with stating the NCAA cleared Auburn and Cam of all wrongdoing and Cam saying "Of course I'm not gonna have to give my Heisman back."
Didn't get that out of it. They didn't show any other examples. They showed crazy assed Updyke, and others saying vitriolic hateful things about Auburn. They made it look, to me, like the whole fanbase was a bunch of assholes. But what does the Auburn coaches, players, and fans do when tragedy hits Tuscaloosa? They take the high road and lend a helping hand. To me, it portrayed Auburn fans as having the human decency that Alabama fans lack. It didn't mention the superficial Tuscaloosa for Toomer's shit.
Didn't get your first sentence out of it. Definitely got the parenthetical out of it.
Agree with this. Wish they would have refuted it. But ultimately, it wasn't an interviewee that said that, it was one of the batshit Finebaum callers, which I think rational people will dismiss as such.
Agree with this. But blame Sir Charles. We know the man has no filter. It's part of his gift and his curse. In his defense, he was saying this in the segment that was talking about Bear Bryant's reign, when it probably was the case. Again, I wish he didn't say it. I also wish they would have given him space to retract his statements on Turner Gill by pointing out Chizik's success and Gill's failure since the hire was made. But I doubt he offered that to the cameras and they just didn't air it.
There's your trouble. Of course we do. We're homers. We're bitter. This documentary wasn't called "Roll Tide Cheating Redneck Sons Of Bitches/War Fucking Eagle, Noble Gentlemen", although I would have preferred that title. It wasn't produced by the Auburn athletic department. It's not made for Auburn fans by Auburn fans. It was an attempt to tell an even-handed story about how crazy the last two years of this rivalry has gotten. To me, if I'm looking at it objectively, I think it painted Bama fans much worse than Auburn fans. They have Updyke, they cheated and paid Jelks, and they were ungrateful when Auburn fans and coaches lent a helping hand after the hurricane. The only dark spot that was probably planned originally to play against Auburn was the Cam stuff, but since he was cleared it was more about the allegations from bammers, and the classlessness of playing "Take the Money and Run", etc.
As I was typing this, I had a group of people come up to my desk and said "Wow. I had no idea it was that bad. I mean, I've heard, but wow. That was really interesting." They came to me for follow-up information. They didn't know about the Iron Bowl being suspended. I filled them in on some of the details. Some of them didn't even know about Updyke. Their impression of him was not good, to say the least. "His excuse was he has too much Bama in him? What a crazy redneck." That was the purpose of this documentary. To inform people who have no idea about this stuff. To try to at least scratch the surface in explaining how crazy the rivalry truly is.
As an Auburn fan, of course there were a few things I would have changed, but then it wouldn't have been as even and unbiased as it was.
Then the premise of the film was wrong. If you are going to do a film on the entire rivalry, then do that. If they just wanted to do an entertainment film on Finebaum, 2009, 2010 and Updyke, then call it what it is. Roll Tide/War Eagle encompasses the entire rivalry.
You are telling me they can give Finebaum and Updyke 20-30 mins of airtime in a 1 hour documentary but not touch the most important game in the rivalry - 1989? Not touch on Ramsey? THS was spot on. If the objective of this film was to paint the lunacy of the last 2 years, it hit the mark. I just don't agree with the objective. Ive lived this rivalry since birth and it just didn't cover it like it should have.
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I didn't have a problem with it. Like Chad said, it was documenting the past two years - the history of it would be a whole miniseries in itself. Only so much time. Trying to capture the hatred our the rivalry is impossible to do in five hours, much less one hour. I don't think it was intended as a propaganda piece to try and change the perception of the rest of the country - if some Yankee who has never been out of Delaware in his life watched that, he learned nothing new - they believed before and still believe now that everyone from Alabama is a backwoods redneck hick, and that person draws no distinction between the two schools. We are of course more sensitive to the differences, as there is no way we are as nasty and ignorant and inbred as they are, but outsiders looking in see no difference regardless of what is shown. Sad to say, but true. Then again, I could give two shits about what some Yankee in Delaware thinks about our state. He's probably not a football fan anyway, and probably made no effort to sit down and watch the thing anyway.
I did not approve of giving Updyke as much time as he got - other than the fact that he comes off as looking as mentally unstable as those people on Hoarders, he is getting the attention he desperately craved.
The Auburn representatives - Dye, Henley, Bo, Takeo, Cam, Fairley, Chizik, Jacobs, even Barkely's racial comments - were FAR superior to the ones interviewed for bammer - Gene Jelks is a redeemed traitor, Saban was obviously coach speaking his ass off, Stallings (Meh), Ingram came off looking like a pussy, that fat guy with the hot Auburn wife married WAY out of his league, Talese (what a prissy little whiney ass faggot he is!) and of course Updyke. It's pretty bad when Marcel Dareus is the most reasonable sounding person interviewed on behalf of your university, other than a guy whose girlfriend died in a tornado.
Overall, there were more embarassing shots of their fan base, and more of the psycho callers on Finebaum were bammers, so if anything, I think the perception was that they are uneducated people with miserable lives who worship in the cult of a dead coach - Pat Dye said that about Harvey Updyke, but it applies universally.
So to me, Auburn comes out looking better, especially since it ends with the whole "Anything you can do I can do better" shot of Auburn winning the SEC, the Heisman and the National Championship AND getting the #1 draft pick, AND the notation that Cam was completely cleared AND that Harvey Updyke's sorry ass is probably going to prison.
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I didn't have a problem with it. Like Chad said, it was documenting the past two years - the history of it would be a whole miniseries in itself. Only so much time. Trying to capture the hatred our the rivalry is impossible to do in five hours, much less one hour. I don't think it was intended as a propaganda piece to try and change the perception of the rest of the country - if some Yankee who has never been out of Delaware in his life watched that, he learned nothing new - they believed before and still believe now that everyone from Alabama is a backwoods redneck hick, and that person draws no distinction between the two schools. We are of course more sensitive to the differences, as there is no way we are as nasty and ignorant and inbred as they are, but outsiders looking in see no difference regardless of what is shown. Sad to say, but true. Then again, I could give two shits about what some Yankee in Delaware thinks about our state. He's probably not a football fan anyway, and probably made no effort to sit down and watch the thing anyway.
I did not approve of giving Updyke as much time as he got - other than the fact that he comes off as looking as mentally unstable as those people on Hoarders, he is getting the attention he desperately craved.
The Auburn representatives - Dye, Henley, Bo, Takeo, Cam, Fairley, Chizik, Jacobs, even Barkely's racial comments - were FAR superior to the ones interviewed for bammer - Gene Jelks is a redeemed traitor, Saban was obviously coach speaking his ass off, Stallings (Meh), Ingram came off looking like a pussy, that fat guy with the hot Auburn wife married WAY out of his league, Talese (what a prissy little whiney ass faggot he is!) and of course Updyke. It's pretty bad when Marcel Dareus is the most reasonable sounding person interviewed on behalf of your university, other than a guy whose girlfriend died in a tornado.
Overall, there were more embarassing shots of their fan base, and more of the psycho callers on Finebaum were bammers, so if anything, I think the perception was that they are uneducated people with miserable lives who worship in the cult of a dead coach - Pat Dye said that about Harvey Updyke, but it applies universally.
So to me, Auburn comes out looking better, especially since it ends with the whole "Anything you can do I can do better" shot of Auburn winning the SEC, the Heisman and the National Championship AND getting the #1 draft pick, AND the notation that Cam was completely cleared AND that Harvey Updyke's sorry ass is probably going to prison.
Except where the film decided to hint on the past stereotype that we have always been the 2nd class farm aggies "down there at the school in Auburn" (fuck you Talese) and they are the dr's and lawyers with the useful idiot army.
My point is that a film titled "Roll Tide/War Eagle" should have a different objective than just the last 2 years, fringe lunacy and Updyke. Even in the preview it asks the question, "What if I told you that in the state of Alabama, you must choose a side?"....and then almost an entire hour of lunacy ensues. Yes, they painted them much worse than us, but guess what? We all get lumped in as citizens of the state with their inbred ilk. Everyone outside the state who saw this will see both sides as about the same. We ARE NOT THEM.
Oh...one more thing. As Prowler said, Takeo Spikes is one bad mutha. That is all.
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Then the premise of the film was wrong. If you are going to do a film on the entire rivalry, then do that. If they just wanted to do an entertainment film on Finebaum, 2009, 2010 and Updyke, then call it what it is. Roll Tide/War Eagle encompasses the entire rivalry.
You are telling me they can give Finebaum and Updyke 20-30 mins of airtime in a 1 hour documentary but not touch the most important game in the rivalry - 1989? Not touch on Ramsey? THS was spot on. If the objective of this film was to paint the lunacy of the last 2 years, it hit the mark. I just don't agree with the objective. Ive lived this rivalry since birth and it just didn't cover it like it should have.
Don't know who told you what to expect, but from before this started filming that has always been the objective.
http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/story/_/id/6961218/roll-tide-war-eagle
FILM SUMMARY
There are many great rivalries in sports: Yankees-Red Sox, Michigan-Ohio State, North Carolina-Duke. But they don't compare to the venomous and consuming in-state college football rivalry that is Alabama-Auburn. With no pro sports, the state of Alabama centers around one game in the year: The annual meeting between the two universities called the "Iron Bowl." And you could not script what has transpired in the state in the past two years.
On the field, each school celebrated a national title, Heisman Trophy winner and Iron Bowl win. Outside the lines, the rivalry has taken a twisted turn, with a stunning tale of poisoned trees and a historic force of mother nature that brought both sides of this split state together.
This one-hour film takes you on an unpredictable and unforgettable journey through the history of bad blood that runs between the two programs -- all told through the eyes of the school's Hall of Fame icons, the controversial figures that launched this rivalry into the national spotlight, all the way down to its passionate roots -- the fans.
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Don't know who told you what to expect, but from before this started filming that has always been the objective.
http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/story/_/id/6961218/roll-tide-war-eagle
Maybe I am getting into semantics, but if that's all it was supposed to be about, then call it something else. Again, I disagree with the objective. Would have been a much better documentary had they pushed it out to 90 mins and evenly covered the last 100 years and left Updyke's interviews out totally.
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The Auburn representatives - Dye, Henley, Bo, Takeo, Cam, Fairley, Chizik, Jacobs, even Barkely's racial comments - were FAR superior to the ones interviewed for bammer - Gene Jelks is a redeemed traitor, Saban was obviously coach speaking his ass off, Stallings (Meh), Ingram came off looking like a pussy, that fat guy with the hot Auburn wife married WAY out of his league, Talese (what a prissy little whiney ass faggot he is!) and of course Updyke. It's pretty bad when Marcel Dareus is the most reasonable sounding person interviewed on behalf of your university, other than a guy whose girlfriend died in a tornado.
And what a douche McElmo was. "I thought my legacy was pretty good, already." Basically spent all of his segments with his own balls on his chin.
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Then the premise of the film was wrong. If you are going to do a film on the entire rivalry, then do that. If they just wanted to do an entertainment film on Finebaum, 2009, 2010 and Updyke, then call it what it is. Roll Tide/War Eagle encompasses the entire rivalry.
You are telling me they can give Finebaum and Updyke 20-30 mins of airtime in a 1 hour documentary but not touch the most important game in the rivalry - 1989? Not touch on Ramsey? THS was spot on. If the objective of this film was to paint the lunacy of the last 2 years, it hit the mark. I just don't agree with the objective. Ive lived this rivalry since birth and it just didn't cover it like it should have.
I can't tell anybody else what they saw or heard in the film. I agree, not covering 1989, can't get that. Why put Jelks out there, but not Eric Ramsey, or the HBO 4? What they did was briefly give a history, then worked up to the main objective, which was the last 2 years. The reason ESPN chose that, is, IMHO, because 2 Heisman winners, and 2 BCS champions came from this state and from bitter rivals. And that was the backdrop to show some extremes within the fan bases. I think intelligent people can see an idiot for what he/she is. Nobody came away from that thinking anything good about Harvey Updyke.
As Chizad said. They had one hour. I heard the only intelligent thing I've ever heard Big Game say as a caller on WJOX. "This was like showing men a film on childbirth...you can't really understand it until you've lived it." This is the case with watching from outside, and the reason some of the questionable subject matter was shown...the film makers had no idea where to look or start. They mistakenly chose Finebaum as a place to start digging for information, and you got what you got. Pretty big letdown from what I'd heard others say about it.
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And GH...the premise of the film was whatever the filmmakers wanted it to be. Had they come in and done a documentary on what king of grass each school uses in their home stadiums...they wouldn't have been wrong, just would have been what they did.
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I stand by what I said.
There was so much more they could have covered and so much more detail they could have included.
Documentaries are supposed to be objective. They're supposed to uncover truth and expose the world to a reality that may not be known.
Some of the topics they chose to cover should have been more vehemently exposed as The University's bullshit.
Perhaps it's the fact that I live with it every day.
The fact that yesterday at work ended with me storming out of an office because a fucking bus driver was going on about how ridiculous Auburn fans are to blame Updyke for anything. That we're delusional and despicable because we were killing those trees with a pressure washer. That our way of life pushes people like Updyke to do harmful things because we rub it in their faces when we "catch them when they're down."
I should have known better before watching. I was hoping it would be more reflective of my life. How I try to go about my business as an Auburn fan supporting my team. How when my team wins, I suddenly get shit slung in my face because a select few of "those people" can't handle it.
They could show how Alabama dominated and how we played catch up. They could show how in 1982, the rivalry became pretty much dead even with Auburn with the edge. They could show more about how this state forces you to choose a side. How elementary schools have Alabama/Auburn competitions before the Iron Bowl. How even people who are die hard fans of other schools choose one side or the other when they move here.
That's all good fun.
The should have left the lunacy off.
As a lady that works down the hall from me said to me, an obvious Auburn fan, this morning - "You football fans make me scared to live in this state."
I think Auburn fans who understand the reality of the show's topics concluded that it made Alabama look bad. I haven't found an unbiased, objective observer yet that doesn't lump Auburn fans in with the Alabama crazies.
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And GH...the premise of the film was whatever the filmmakers wanted it to be. Had they come in and done a documentary on what king of grass each school uses in their home stadiums...they wouldn't have been wrong, just would have been what they did.
Right, I just don't agree with the premise they decided on. Especially with Finebaum practically narrating the whole thing.
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I stand by what I said.
There was so much more they could have covered and so much more detail they could have included.
Documentaries are supposed to be objective. They're supposed to uncover truth and expose the world to a reality that may not be known.
Some of the topics they chose to cover should have been more vehemently exposed as The University's bullshit.
Perhaps it's the fact that I live with it every day.
The fact that yesterday at work ended with me storming out of an office because a fucking bus driver was going on about how ridiculous Auburn fans are to blame Updyke for anything. That we're delusional and despicable because we were killing those trees with a pressure washer. That our way of life pushes people like Updyke to do harmful things because we rub it in their faces when we "catch them when they're down."
I should have known better before watching. I was hoping it would be more reflective of my life. How I try to go about my business as an Auburn fan supporting my team. How when my team wins, I suddenly get shit slung in my face because a select few of "those people" can't handle it.
They could show how Alabama dominated and how we played catch up. They could show how in 1982, the rivalry became pretty much dead even with Auburn with the edge. They could show how this state forces you to choose a side. How elementary schools have Alabama/Auburn competitions before the Iron Bowl. How even people who are die hard fans of other schools choose one side or the other when they move here.
That's all good fun.
The should have left the lunacy off.
As a lady that works down the hall from me said to me, an obvious Auburn fan, this morning - "You football fans make me scared to live in this state."
I think Auburn fans who understand the reality of the show's topics concluded that it made Alabama look bad. I haven't found an unbiased, objective observer yet that doesn't lump Auburn fans in with the Alabama crazies.
The lunacy was a big part of their intended focus. I heard that come from one of the filmmakers. He also said there'd be things that would make you cringe a bit by being perceived as associated with it.
IMHO, to get a TRUE feel for the rivalry, they could simply have gone to the 2009, and 2010 IB and gone around campus interviewing ACTUAL FANS...the work a day fans that have lives. Then again that wasn't their intended focus.
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The lunacy was a big part of their intended focus. I heard that come from one of the filmmakers. He also said there'd be things that would make you cringe a bit by being perceived as associated with it.
IMHO, to get a TRUE feel for the rivalry, they could simply have gone to the 2009, and 2010 IB and gone around campus interviewing ACTUAL FANS...the work a day fans that have lives. Then again that wasn't their intended focus.
Well....fuck dey intended focus in da mouf.
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Right, I just don't agree with the premise they decided on. Especially with Finebaum practically narrating the whole thing.
I completely agree with what they had intended to do...which was focus on two rival programs who were at the highest level of college football the last 2 seasons, with a little history of the rivalry thrown in. What I disagreed with was SOME of the people they chose to tell the story through, ie Finebaum.
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And what a douche McElmo was. "I thought my legacy was pretty good, already." Basically spent all of his segments with his own balls on his chin.
Forgot about him - it was AWFUL. It was like he was thnking ahead to some political campaign of the future, when he could use the clip in a campaign ad, where he would be seen as the brashly confident, slightly arrogant young stud QB who matured into a man you would be proud to elect as your next US Senator... BLECH!!!
The only reason they included Jelks was because he wound up being a "redemption" story - showing back up in Turdville for post tornado cleanup and being "accepted" back into the fold. He was also at the flag football fundraiser, so that is probably where they got the idea to include him. Like maybe he said "This is the first time I have been back to turdville in years since I went through my personal struggles... " and they ran with it. Eric Ramsey is long gone - his sorry ass did not come back - Jelks was a different type of story altogether. One with a "prodigal son" ending.
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Forgot about him - it was AWFUL. It was like he was thnking ahead to some political campaign of the future, when he could use the clip in a campaign ad, where he would be seen as the brashly confident, slightly arrogant young stud QB who matured into a man you would be proud to elect as your next US Senator... BLECH!!!
The only reason they included Jelks was because he wound up being a "redemption" story - showing back up in Turdville for post tornado cleanup and being "accepted" back into the fold. He was also at the flag football fundraiser, so that is probably where they got the idea to include him. Like maybe he said "This is the first time I have been back to turdville in years since I went through my personal struggles... " and they ran with it. Eric Ramsey is long gone - his sorry ass did not come back - Jelks was a different type of story altogether. One with a "prodigal son" ending.
McDouchebag and Ewok Ingram can go jump in a pit of fire for all I care. Total condescending douchenozzles.
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Brace yourself. It's gonna get long.
Based on pretty much everything I've seen and heard from impartial third party observers, Auburn fans and Alabama fans I think you're wrong on this.
Nobody liked it. It made us all look stupid. It gave people outside the rivalry reason to a) dismiss us all as idiots, b) ridicule us more than they already do.
It wasn't a positive thing for anybody.
Dye saying "everybody cheats."
Ingram expressing his ignorance
Barkley calling AU racists
Dareus being interviewed at all
McGinger looking like a turtleneck wearing fag
Fail on all fronts.
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Based on pretty much everything I've seen and heard from impartial third party observers, Auburn fans and Alabama fans I think you're wrong on this.
Nobody liked it. It made us all look stupid. It gave people outside the rivalry reason to a) dismiss us all as idiots, b) ridicule us more than they already do.
It could have been the most awesomely written well executed, comprehensive documentary in the history of the world and people outside the rivalry would STILL dismiss us all as idiots and ridicule us even more than they already do. There is no way some show is going to convince a Michigan fan that (1) we hate bammer more than they hate tOSU and (2) that the state of Alabama is not full of inbred hicks. There's no way that happens.
If you don't live it, you don't get it. My husband has been around it with me for eleven years, and HE still doesn't get it. And he is around almost exclusively well mannered, educated Auburn fans - oh, and you guys - and he still does not understand why I say War Eagle every time I see one of my fellow "cult members" (his words) or why I have taught my children to despise the color red and say "bammer stinks!!" whenever they see or hear anything turd related. Eleven years and a lifetime in the SEC and even an LSU fan does not get it.
So let it go. So what? Go make your own if you think it should have been done differently. It would be awesome to see a rivalry documentary made by people who actually know and understand the rivalry.
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Don't know who told you what to expect, but from before this started filming that has always been the objective.
http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/story/_/id/6961218/roll-tide-war-eagle
This one-hour film takes you on an unpredictable and unforgettable journey through the history of bad blood that runs between the two programs -- all told through the eyes of the school's Hall of Fame icons, the controversial figures that launched this rivalry into the national spotlight, all the way down to its passionate roots -- the fans.
It didn't do that.
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A regular Bama caller to our local show this morning made some of the very same points. Instead of Updyke and Finebaum driving the show, how about a couple more players from Bryant's era like Leroy Jordan talking about the rivalry. I could live with that as opposed to those two worthless fucks being in every segment. Doing A...ONE....piece on Updyke and PF would have been fine. I concede that they're both a part of this rivalry and it's history. The ugliest part..but a part just the same.
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A regular Bama caller to our local show this morning made some of the very same points. Instead of Updyke and Finebaum driving the show, how about a couple more players from Bryant's era like Leroy Jordan talking about the rivalry. I could live with that as opposed to those two worthless fucks being in every segment. Doing A...ONE....piece on Updyke and PF would have been fine. I concede that they're both a part of this rivalry and it's history. The ugliest part..but a part just the same.
It's a divisive issue. The only people I've heard defend the thing at all are both in this thread. They're entitled to their opinion.
From every account other than those two it was poorly done, reflected badly on both sides and completely failed to portray anything but the absolute most extreme fringe elements of the rivalry. It skipped over things that were critical in order to focus on things that were extraneous.
When both Bama and Auburn fans are united in collective scorn? That says a lot.
It did nobody but Finebaum any favors. Fuck it. Fuck ESPN.
I'm glad I didn't watch it. It was too easy to predict what direction it would take.
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It's a divisive issue. The only people I've heard defend the thing at all are both in this thread. They're entitled to their opinion.
From every account other than those two it was poorly done, reflected badly on both sides and completely failed to portray anything but the absolute most extreme fringe elements of the rivalry. It skipped over things that were critical in order to focus on things that were extraneous.
When both Bama and Auburn fans are united in collective scorn? That says a lot.
It did nobody but Finebaum any favors. Fuck it. Fuck ESPN.
I'm glad I didn't watch it. It was too easy to predict what direction it would take.
If you're counting me in as defending it, then you missed what I said. I defended the filmmakers choice of focus, well, because it was a good focus. 2 Heisman and BCS winners in the same state in successive years, and also bitter rivals. I get trying to shed some light on the fringe element too, but NOT making it the focal point to the extent they did. The idea had potential, and certainly the telling of the history of the rivalry has great entertainment potential . They failed miserably in their execution.
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My wife has been with me for about 20 years-Has attended games and will attend more. She has no concept of what this is. What it means to me. Too us. When it showed the AU-UA game from last year and Lutz caught the pass I hollered with glee at the TV. Dyers run in the MNC, you betcha. When they showed anything Turd related I cussed from memory of what those cock-bite faggot ass sorry motherfuckers are. She what Sullivan said was true about understanding from what we come from and what we (both schools) did over the last two years. I told her she doesn’t understand is that we (Auburn) are Israel and the mindless fucks to the north are Palestine (hell bent on our destruction). She said I was crazy. I said that’s SEC football.
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I said that’s SEC football the Iron Bowl.
I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.
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I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.
There's a pretty large segment on other boards who are now glad they don't after watching last night's exercise.
My Michigan friend says "we may hate OSU, but at least we're not youse guyz"
That's what a lot of you are missing. Yeah, Harvey apparently made Bama look bad. But outside? There's no difference. He is them, he is us, we are them. No distinction.
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I've had friends of mine from high school who went to LSU, and they have told me on many occasions that they wish they had a rival that they could hate as much as Auburn hates Alabama.
They do......
Soap be thy name.
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They do......
Soap be thy name.
Hustle..ur doin' it rite.
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Hustle..ur doin' it rite.
It was no pop up blocker
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The filmmaker is on Finebaum now defending the people bitching about too much Finebaum and too much Updyke.
Makes sense to me.
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Something really subtle and interesting I didn't catch.
They filmed every Auburn person on one side (to left of the screen) and every Bama person on another side (to the right of the screen) to create a subconscious division.
The only person filmed dead on "down the middle" was Finebaum. :taunt:
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Exactly as I was trying to say, he is saying the objective was to display three acts. Act I, a brief synopsis of the rivalry's history, as a foundation to understand the rivalry. And then go into how crazy this rivalry has become with Act II being Alabama's successful 2009, with Act III being Auburn's successful 2010. He said explicitly that he absolutely wishes he could have spent longer on some of the history. Said that there was so much more interesting avenues he wished he could have delved into particularly when the rivalry went on hiatus between 1908 & 1948. But he only had an hour to tell his story, and the only purpose of scratching the surface on the history of the Iron Bowl was to try to attempt to put the last two years into context.
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It's a divisive issue. The only people I've heard defend the thing at all are both in this thread. They're entitled to their opinion.
From Facebook:
Ben Tate: Just watched War Eagle/roll tide thought it was pretty good #WAREAGLE
Followed by 71 comments that pretty much said "Too much Updyke, otherwise liked/loved the show" - including some bammers. The comments on Zac Ethridge's page are similar in nature.
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I'm listening and want to strangle kittens.
How the FUCK can you defend this shit?
Finebaum is the mediator. His callers tell the story. All the director did was hold up a mirror and let the story tell itself.
Are you SHITTING me? Finebaum is the instigator not the mediator. He's not down the fucking middle.
The director is confident in his view that Legend and Tammy are the goddam majority, not the fucking psycho fringe.
Forget the rivalry. Using those fucking clowns to define us all is the equivalent of saying Al Jolson represents all black people. It's a fucking insult.
I'm truly disturbed that anyone with a stake in this state or either school could possibly defend this shit.
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Btw, I'm happy as hell that the '10 Iron Bowl is still affecting Gay Talese (fuckin' arrogant effeminate old man).
Also...*Note to self*...Don't ever piss off Takeo Spikes...Ever...No matter what. I've forgotten how badass that mutha fucker is.
So nobody is going to mention how appropriate the name "Gay" is for this guy?
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So nobody is going to mention how appropriate the name "Gay" is for this guy?
Yeah, well, that's obvious.
I remember hearing a Bama guy ran the New York Times, but after seeing that (and looking up who the fuck he was), it is abundantly clear why they have dedicated such a bizarre obsession with slandering Auburn. From Sociology"gate" to Thamel, to Thayer Evans (former staff) to everything in between.
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Yeah, well, that's obvious.
I remember hearing a Bama guy ran the New York Times, but after seeing that (and looking up who the fuck he was), it is abundantly clear why they have dedicated such a bizarre obsession with slandering Auburn. From Sociology"gate" to Thamel, to Thayer Evans (former staff) to everything in between.
I read that Wiki article too, and a little puzzle piece in my head went **click**!!
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I read that Wiki article too, and a little puzzle piece in my head went **click**!!
Crap - I read his book on construction of the Verrazano Narrows at the Bham central library while in grade school
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I'm listening and want to strangle kittens.
How the FUCK can you defend this shit?
Finebaum is the mediator. His callers tell the story. All the director did was hold up a mirror and let the story tell itself.
Are you SHITTING me? Finebaum is the instigator not the mediator. He's not down the fucking middle.
The director is confident in his view that Legend and Tammy are the goddam majority, not the fucking psycho fringe.
Forget the rivalry. Using those fucking clowns to define us all is the equivalent of saying Al Jolson represents all black people. It's a fucking insult.
I'm truly disturbed that anyone with a stake in this state or either school could possibly defend this shit.
THIS. All of it. And I saw it.
Tw, with all due respect to Ben Tate he's from Maryland and has only been in this world of sec football a short while. The last few years is what he knows of the rivalry. Of course he thought it was good.
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THIS. All of it. And I saw it.
Tw, with all due respect to Ben Tate he's from Maryland and has only been in this world of sec football a short while. The last few years is what he knows of the rivalry. Of course he thought it was good.
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THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE RIVALRY. THE END. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PREMISE WATCH ANOTHER MOVIE.
Goddamn. I don't know how many times it has to be said that this was not, never was, and never had any intention of being a complete and thorough history of the rivalry. If it were, it would be a complete failure no matter what they did if they tried to squeeze that into one hour.
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I stopped readong with Chad's post that started with "It's gonna get long", so this may have been posted. I was on Rivals and the #5 OG in the nation who is committed to Missouri commented;
"Auburn has a great tradition. I watched 'Roll Tide/War Eagle' (Tuesday) night and thought that was really cool. It explained the rivalry between Auburn and Alabama, what the environment is like down there. It looks like a great atmosphere and a lot of fun. How big that rivalry is and all of the history behind it is something I really like."
I had not thought of what a great recruiting tool this could be. It doesn't look like it hurt any....
Anyway...carry on going Art Vandalay on each others ass...
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THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE RIVALRY. THE END. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PREMISE WATCH ANOTHER MOVIE.
Goddamn. I don't know how many times it has to be said that this was not, never was, and never had any intention of being a complete and thorough history of the rivalry. If it were, it would be a complete failure no matter what they did if they tried to squeeze that into one hour.
Brother, I don't give a fiddling rats ass if it was about the last two days of the rivalry or the last two centuries.
While the omission of key elements is disappointing (such as how moving the game to Auburn set the dogs on the program with the express purpose of destroying Dye) that's not the prime issue.
You keep missing it.
Portraying Finebaum as the voice of reason floating above the fray and positioning idiot fucks like Legend and Tammy as the majority voice of all things Auburn and Alabama is where we diverge.
The director said it numerous times in various ways yesterday. To him finebaum and his 1% ARE the essence of the rivalry.
I know you don't believe that.
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Brother, I don't give a fiddling rats ass if it was about the last two days of the rivalry or the last two centuries.
While the omission of key elements is disappointing (such as how moving the game to Auburn set the dogs on the program with the express purpose of destroying Dye) that's not the prime issue.
You keep missing it.
Portraying Finebaum as the voice of reason floating above the fray and positioning idiot fucks like Legend and Tammy as the majority voice of all things Auburn and Alabama is where we diverge.
The director said it numerous times in various ways yesterday. To him finebaum and his 1% ARE the essence of the rivalry.
I know you don't believe that.
Did I quote you? I was referring to GH still missing the point and bitch about how the documentary focused too heavily on the past two years. It's a documentary about the past two years.
As for your point, take it from someone who actually saw the movie, Finebaum and his callers' parts in the movie were not completely central. Yes, there was a lot about Updyke, but again, that was a big part of this film's purpose. The crazy shit on and off the field that has gone on the last two years down here. And it's pretty hard to tell the Updyke story without putting into the context of Finebaum and some of his other lunatic callers. It's not like Tammy got equal air time to Bo or Barkley. They only played a couple of 5 second clips to set the scene for what Finebaum is about to put into context the infamous Al from Dadeville call.
Mountains, molehills, etc. etc.
Just watch the thing or shut up about it. You can't have both. I know you'll argue for 15 pages that you can, but you'll be wrong.
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Just watch the thing or shut up about it. You can't have both. I know you'll argue for 15 pages that you can, but you'll be wrong.
Wait...it's gotta be your bull...
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Brother, I don't give a fiddling rats ass if it was about the last two days of the rivalry or the last two centuries.
While the omission of key elements is disappointing (such as how moving the game to Auburn set the dogs on the program with the express purpose of destroying Dye) that's not the prime issue.
You keep missing it.
Portraying Finebaum as the voice of reason floating above the fray and positioning idiot fucks like Legend and Tammy as the majority voice of all things Auburn and Alabama is where we diverge.
The director said it numerous times in various ways yesterday. To him finebaum and his 1% ARE the essence of the rivalry.
I know you don't believe that.
Yep.
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Did I quote you? I was referring to GH still missing the point and bitch about how the documentary focused too heavily on the past two years. It's a documentary about the past two years.
As for your point, take it from someone who actually saw the movie, Finebaum and his callers' parts in the movie were not completely central. Yes, there was a lot about Updyke, but again, that was a big part of this film's purpose. The crazy shit on and off the field that has gone on the last two years down here. And it's pretty hard to tell the Updyke story without putting into the context of Finebaum and some of his other lunatic callers. It's not like Tammy got equal air time to Bo or Barkley. They only played a couple of 5 second clips to set the scene for what Finebaum is about to put into context the infamous Al from Dadeville call.
Mountains, molehills, etc. etc.
Just watch the thing or shut up about it. You can't have both. I know you'll argue for 15 pages that you can, but you'll be wrong.
I did watch it this morning. I'm not wrong. I'm righter than I was.
The entire show was driven by Finebaum. Almost every segue was in the form of a caller's rant. Finebaum sat smugly by pretending he wasn't a primary factor in the devolution of the rivalry over the past five years or so.
It reminded me of that belltower scene in the 1989 Batman movie. Batman's got Joker by the throat and Nicholson's Joker cackles "you made me."
For that douche to fake disgust at Updyke when if it weren't for his show and the relentless wave of vitriol, Harvey would have remained a worthless fat fuck sitting round a kerosene stove bitching about them damn Aubrens? That's the height of fraud.
Harvey, Tammy, Legend, Shane, Charles, Darryl, Jim and that whole bunch don't exist without Finebaum. At least they don't exist on the broad scale. He's not merely giving true voice to the rivalry, he's manipulating it, directing it, prodding it, poking it and coordinating it to serve his own needs.
There have always been a handful of loons who rant and rave and show their ass. In most cases the more rational elements of the fanbase take care of that themselves. I've seen Auburn people tell other Auburn people "that's enough" when things escalated. They've always been pretty much isolated.
Finebaum makes that behavior seem like the norm. He glorifies it. It emboldens idiots like Legend -- a psycho murdering fuck. Listening to that wall of daily shit gives Harvey the idea that not only will it be okay for him to kill Toomer's Corner, he'll be a hero for it.
The rivalry didn't create Harvey, Finebaum did. He made him.
I was sickened by the show and the way it portrayed us all. Nobody came off looking better for having participated. I wish to hell I'd stuck to my guns and refused to watch it now.
Now iff'n ya'll'll scuse me, I gots to go out heah and scrub down mah outhouse. Tha dam thang been stankin' to high heavens lately. And 'sides, I gots to set a new Rebel flag up in deah, de ol' one done gots tattered. Aftah that, I's gonna go out in yon field and snatch me up some turnips and okrey. Gon' fry up a mess'a catfish, mebbe stew up a squirrel and make me some moonshine. Ya'll come back now, ya heah?
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I thought Takeo Spikes and Cam did a good job. Spikes is a scary motherfucker.
And I agree with Chad, you have to watch the thing before you bitch about it Turner Gill.
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I'm not wrong. I'm righter than I was.
GF, would you turn this into an emoticon? Save K a lot of typing that way.
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I thought Takeo Spikes and Cam did a good job. Spikes is a scary motherfucker.
And I agree with Chad, you have to watch the thing before you bitch about it Turner Gill.
Takeo said "fuck" that's all anybody wants to remember. Trash mouth motherfucker...
Cam? That bastard smiled. That fucking smile right there just concreted to me that he was guilty. That show did wonders. Ever body see now that Aubren is guilt of that stuff. You could see it in that damn goofy ass smile.
To each his own.
They think we're embarrassed by Cam and Takeo. We assume they're embarrassed by Harvey.
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And I agree with Chad, you have to watch the thing before you bitch about it Turner Gill.
Read line one of the response above.
In order to appease those who said I had to watch it (even when I knew I didn't) I watched it this morning. It was as bad or worse than anticipated.
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It is beyond my understanding why Takeo is not on this board? It seems like a natural fit.
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I did watch it this morning. I'm not wrong. I'm righter than I was.
The entire show was driven by Finebaum. Almost every segue was in the form of a caller's rant. Finebaum sat smugly by pretending he wasn't a primary factor in the devolution of the rivalry over the past five years or so.
It reminded me of that belltower scene in the 1989 Batman movie. Batman's got Joker by the throat and Nicholson's Joker cackles "you made me."
For that douche to fake disgust at Updyke when if it weren't for his show and the relentless wave of vitriol, Harvey would have remained a worthless fat fuck sitting round a kerosene stove bitching about them damn Aubrens? That's the height of fraud.
Harvey, Tammy, Legend, Shane, Charles, Darryl, Jim and that whole bunch don't exist without Finebaum. At least they don't exist on the broad scale. He's not merely giving true voice to the rivalry, he's manipulating it, directing it, prodding it, poking it and coordinating it to serve his own needs.
There have always been a handful of loons who rant and rave and show their ass. In most cases the more rational elements of the fanbase take care of that themselves. I've seen Auburn people tell other Auburn people "that's enough" when things escalated. They've always been pretty much isolated.
Finebaum makes that behavior seem like the norm. He glorifies it. It emboldens idiots like Legend -- a psycho murdering fuck. Listening to that wall of daily shit gives Harvey the idea that not only will it be okay for him to kill Toomer's Corner, he'll be a hero for it.
The rivalry didn't create Harvey, Finebaum did. He made him.
I was sickened by the show and the way it portrayed us all. Nobody came off looking better for having participated. I wish to hell I'd stuck to my guns and refused to watch it now.
Now iff'n ya'll'll scuse me, I gots to go out heah and scrub down mah outhouse. Tha dam thang been stankin' to high heavens lately. And 'sides, I gots to set a new Rebel flag up in deah, de ol' one done gots tattered. Aftah that, I's gonna go out in yon field and snatch me up some turnips and okrey. Gon' fry up a mess'a catfish, mebbe stew up a squirrel and make me some moonshine. Ya'll come back now, ya heah?
Told ya you'd watch.
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Read line one of the response above.
In order to appease those who said I had to watch it (even when I knew I didn't) I watched it this morning. It was as bad or worse than anticipated.
Then commence the jugglin'!
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It is beyond my understanding why Takeo is not on this board? It seems like a natural fit.
He's one of my connections on LinkedIn...shall I send him a link to the board? Jumbo might want to re-think his admissions policies for this guy.
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He's one of my connections on LinkedIn...shall I send him a link to the board? Jumbo might want to re-think his admissions policies for this guy.
I'm pretty sure he could murder us all.
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I'm pretty sure he could murder us all.
This.
I thought one of the coolest moments in the whole thing was coming out of their piece on Bama's 09' championship, I believe they show that couple and the guy says something about Auburn people wondering if they will ever win one, something like that..anyway, it goes directly to a shot of Cam looking down and gripping the ball...slowly looking up at the camera. I grinned and little goosebumps rose on the thighs of the young Romanian girl.
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He's one of my connections on LinkedIn...shall I send him a link to the board? Jumbo might want to re-think his admissions policies for this guy.
I almost got into a fight with his security guard in Glendale.
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Yeah, well, that's obvious.
I remember hearing a Bama guy ran the New York Times, but after seeing that (and looking up who the fuck he was), it is abundantly clear why they have dedicated such a bizarre obsession with slandering Auburn. From Sociology"gate" to Thamel, to Thayer Evans (former staff) to everything in between.
I bet Straight Talese is an Auburn fan.
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This thread is still going on? I feel like I should be swirling some wine and sniffing some corks with the depth of the critiques some of you are giving this 45 minute documentary.
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This thread is still going on? I feel like I should be swirling some wine and sniffing some corks with the depth of the critiques some of you are giving this 45 minute documentary.
Merlot or Cabernet Savignon?
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Merlot or Cabernet Savignon?
Champipple.
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Champipple.
Thunderbird!
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Champipple.
You old fish eyed fool
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I'm pretty sure he could murder us all.
I had a class with him when I was at Auburn. Nice guy, didn't say much, had to turn sideways to come through the double doors into the classroom. He was a beast then at 19-20, can't imagine what he looked like after a few years in the league. You know how some guys have no neck? Like their head just sits on their shoulders? Takeo wasn't like that, he would have been one of those long necked guys if he hadn't been so jacked. I tell people his neck looked like a pyramid with his head stuck on top.
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I had a class with him when I was at Auburn. Nice guy, didn't say much, had to turn sideways to come through the double doors into the classroom. He was a beast then at 19-20, can't imagine what he looked like after a few years in the league. You know how some guys have no neck? Like their head just sits on their shoulders? Takeo wasn't like that, he would have been one of those long necked guys if he hadn't been so jacked. I tell people his neck looked like a pyramid with his head stuck on top.
I saw him up close at the Spring game in 2009. His fucking neck is HUGE! He has no neck really, just a head sitting atop huge shoulders. Fucking specimen.
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I saw him up close at the Spring game in 2009. His fudgeing neck is HUGE! He has no neck really, just a head sitting atop huge shoulders. fudgeing specimen.
Under Bowden the football team had a little powerlifting competition during spring training. I remember Takeo won combined weight and bench press every single year he was there. If you remember the knock on him in the draft (and why Keith Brooking went higher) was that he was undersized for NFL linebacker.
To Bill Brasky Spikes!
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:facepalm:
THE MOVIE WAS ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THE RIVALRY. THE END. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PREMISE WATCH ANOTHER MOVIE.
Goddamn. I don't know how many times it has to be said that this was not, never was, and never had any intention of being a complete and thorough history of the rivalry. If it were, it would be a complete failure no matter what they did if they tried to squeeze that into one hour.
Cool your vagina.
Like JR said, its not so much the subject matter as it is how they did it. Finebaum, Updyke are the center of the movie. The other parts are just surrounding cast. That was fucking pitiful. And who the hell says this had to be an hour anyway? The U and Pony Excess were both over an hour I believe. You have to understand how this movie would piss off a lot of traditionalists.
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Did I quote you? I was referring to GH still missing the point and bitch about how the documentary focused too heavily on the past two years. It's a documentary about the past two years.
As for your point, take it from someone who actually saw the movie, Finebaum and his callers' parts in the movie were not completely central. Yes, there was a lot about Updyke, but again, that was a big part of this film's purpose. The crazy shit on and off the field that has gone on the last two years down here. And it's pretty hard to tell the Updyke story without putting into the context of Finebaum and some of his other lunatic callers. It's not like Tammy got equal air time to Bo or Barkley. They only played a couple of 5 second clips to set the scene for what Finebaum is about to put into context the infamous Al from Dadeville call.
Mountains, molehills, etc. etc.
Just watch the thing or shut up about it. You can't have both. I know you'll argue for 15 pages that you can, but you'll be wrong.
Not missing the point. I know what it was billed as.
1. I dont agree with making a documentary about the best CFB rivalry and then making the premise of it just the last 2 years. It takes a total shit on the rivalry. Disagreeing with the premise is a whole other issue.
2. Even if you do it on the recent events, it could have been done without Updyke whatsoever, and without Finebaum playing mediator. Fuck him. We all know he's a fucking bammer douche. Well, that's not what the movie said. He came across looking like the level headed fellow who has to moderate all of this shit. It could have been done better - PERIOD! Everyone who sees that shit thinks Auburn/Alabama naturally with the title. But what happened was they did only the last 2 years, so the perception is that the last 2 years ARE the rivalry. Again, this is where the premise sucked ass.
Again - we are NOT them. But the rest of the damn country just got some food for their stereotype to keep living on.
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Bottom line for me was that I enjoyed a good bit of it, with the exception of the incessant Updyke appearances. He was in every damn segment. I fully understand and acknowledge that he's a big part of the 2 year history ESPN was trying to focus on. However, so were the tornadoes that killed 230+ people across the State. They devoted one segment to it. One. But Updyke gets his own damn show. Focus on the fat fuck for a few minutes and move on.
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But what happened was they did only the last 2 years, so the perception is that the last 2 years ARE the rivalry. Again, this is where the premise sucked ass.
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Ok. You're right. I'm sure most reasonable people walked away from watching that documentary thinking the Iron Bowl started in 2009. Especially since the first third of the documentary touched on the elaborate 100+ year history, and even said (through Bo) that history portion of the film "is just the tip of the iceberg...and it's a big assed iceberg."
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:facepalm:
Ok. You're right. I'm sure most reasonable people walked away from watching that documentary thinking the Iron Bowl started in 2009. Especially since the first third of the documentary touched on the elaborate 100+ year history, and even said (through Bo) that history portion of the film "is just the tip of the iceberg...and it's a big assed iceberg."
You're not understanding what he's saying.
He's saying that people walked away from it thinking the idiocy of Legend and Tammy, the viciousness of Harvey and the ignorance of Mark Ingram are the alpha and omega of this rivalry and this state.
That's simply not the case. In fact, I submit that the last two years are somewhat of an anomaly and hardly representative of the past 200 years.
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:facepalm:
Ok. You're right. I'm sure most reasonable people walked away from watching that documentary thinking the Iron Bowl started in 2009. Especially since the first third of the documentary touched on the elaborate 100+ year history, and even said (through Bo) that history portion of the film "is just the tip of the iceberg...and it's a big assed iceberg."
I actually laughed at this response chizad. Had to. Read Kaos' post above this one for explanation.
I didn't mean the literal length of the rivalry.
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With regard to the last two years of the this rivalry, as long as I've been around (and that's a long time) and been around this game, this is the first time in my lifetime that people have actually talked seriously about stopping it for a while to let people calm down. In one sense, ESPN is spot on in focusing on the recent history. Anyone who even follows college football with a passing interest knows that the Iron Bowl is one of the biggest rivalries in the history of sports, not just college. But the turn it's taken in the last couple of years and the vitriol of the fans, whether they be the 1% or not, has gotten out of hand. And doing a documentary on that is justified, in my opinion. But, I still stand by my stance that Updyke should have been a segment of the film only, and not one of the central themes of the show.
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Here's what I hope he's sentenced to:
1) Never attend a university of alabama sporting event in his lifetime whether they're home or away.
2) Not be allowed to watch UA on television or listen to the radio broadcast. (How to enforce?)
3) All Bama memorabilia must be taken from his house and destroyed. He can never have another piece of it.
4) All Bama clothing confiscated and burned. He must wear a Carolina Panthers Cam Newton jersey every day for the rest of his life. When he goes to church he can be provided a Carolina tie with Cam's face on it.
5) He can never again address his son as "Bahr" or "Bryant" again. He may only call him "Aubie" or "Weegle"
6) He can never address his daughter as "Crimpson" again. He may only call her "Orange"
7) He can never set foot in Tuscaloosa ever.
8) He cannot sell or profit from any books about his deed. All profits must be paid directly to Cecil Newton's church.
9) Every Saturday during football season (with the exception of days AU plays UA) he must appear in Auburn and sell programs outside the stadium. He must wear a tall striped "cat in the hat" style hat, a tiger tail and have his beard dyed blue or orange (or tiger striped). Every sale must be greeted with the words War Eagle! If he sells less than 100 programs, he goes to jail until the next game.
10) He can never call any radio station again.
11) He is prohibited from ever saying RT or RDT again. If he says it, he goes to prison for ten years.
12) If he goes to prison, he must shave his entire body, put on a diaper and room with Jerry Sandusky.
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http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2011/11/family-of-bamas-famous-sideline-tackler-calls-updyke-comparison-heartbreaking/
Family of Bama’s famous sideline tackler calls Updyke comparison ‘heartbreaking’
Written by Staff Football, Sports, Toomer's Corner Nov 15, 2011
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Tommy Lewis tackled Dickey Moegle. Harvey Updyke would have poisoned him.
The children and grandchildren of Tommy Lewis thinks Harvey Updyke is too full of s**t.
“For Updyke to compare his passion for Alabama to Tommy Lewis’s is heartbreaking to us,” wrote Kathy Lewis McCool, Lewis’ daughter, in a letter to the editor published last week in the Opelika-Auburn News.
Lewis, who played for the Crimson Tide in the 1950s, is best known for his off-the-bench tackle of Rice’s Dickey Moegle in the 1954 Cotton Bowl. Lewis said he couldn’t believe what he had done, but that he couldn’t help it— “I’m just too full of Bama.”
Updyke regularly uses the same language to explain his maybe-I-did poisoning of the Toomer’s oaks, and in ESPN’s new documentary on the Auburn-Alabama rivalry, he specifically cites Lewis as a kindred spirit.
Now the Lewis family is spiritually disowning him.
“Dad had an abundance of beloved Auburn friends,” McCool writes. “He had great respect for coach Shug Jordan and admonished us every season to “pull for Auburn when they are not playing us. Always be proud of your state schools.’”
“He was a stranger to the bitterness the rivalry has taken on in recent years, and would have been puzzled and disappointed by it. Updyke’s hateful act perpetrated upon Auburn’s proud old oaks at Toomer’s Corner would have appalled him, as it has stunned and horrified us all — Auburn and Alabama supporters alike.”
McCool says the family has no ill will toward Updyke and hope for “his continued healing and rehabilitation.”
“But mostly, we hope for the health of the beautiful oaks at Toomer’s Corner. Dad has long since lost his memory and lives in a nursing home, but we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, he would be the first to fight for those storied oaks at our proud state school — Auburn University.”
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Tommy Lewis may not be equal to Harvey Updyke, but he is what we would call an "Updyke."
He cheated in a game of football to help Alabama. Not any different than most of those crimson, inbreeding assholes.
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Tommy Lewis may not be equal to Harvey Updyke, but he is what we would call an "Updyke."
He cheated in a game of football to help Alabama. Not any different than most of those crimson, inbreeding assholes.
Bush beater arounder.
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Tommy Lewis may not be equal to Harvey Updyke, but he is what we would call an "Updyke."
He cheated in a game of football to help Alabama. Not any different than most of those crimson, inbreeding assholes.
But he was a good man...he loved Aubren too.
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Tommy Lewis may not be equal to Harvey Updyke, but he is what we would call an "Updyke."
He cheated in a game of football to help Alabama. Not any different than most of those crimson, inbreeding a-holes.
I can understand what Tommy did at least. I was in a basketball game in high school and was back on D when here comes the two on one fast break. They ran it just like you should (meaning I had no real chance at stopping it) and I just shoved the guy in the back as hard as I could when he went for the layup. He smacked the wall behind the basket pretty good and stayed down for a little while. I have no idea why I did it. I got the flagrant foul and the coach pulled me and asked why the hell I did that. I had to honestly say I had no idea. Sometimes in a game you just end up turning off the brain and looking like an ass.
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We had a guy on our basketball team that was a hatchet man. I have never seen anyone except him foul out in under 90 seconds of game play. Pretty funny at the time. now not as much....Fuck who am I kidding? It's still pretty funny.
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We had a guy on our basketball team that was a hatchet man. I have never seen anyone except him foul out in under 90 seconds of game play. Pretty funny at the time. now not as much....Fuck who am I kidding? It's still pretty funny.
Rob Chubb?
My dad talked about his playing days in Camp Hill, AL...population 412...Saaaaaalute. He said they had one big goon, Shibby Hodges, on the team, probably half tard, but coach would put him in as the "enforcer". The first time he did, there was a guy on the opposing team that had been playing dirty as hell so coach called timeout at a jump ball and told Shibby to get in there and rough him up. Shibby goes in and stands next to the guy. Ref throws the ball up and POW, Shibby just decks the guy.
Um, Shibby, come here son. Now, when I said rough him up....
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Sidenote question....
You play ball at JD with a guy by the name of Rob Newman? He may have been a couple years younger.
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Sidenote question....
You play ball at JD with a guy by the name of Rob Newman? He may have been a couple years younger.
Name sounds familiar but don't quite remember the face. Maybe because I grew up down the street from a guy named Rob Neuhoff.
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Name sounds familiar but don't quite remember the face. Maybe because I grew up down the street from a guy named Rob Neuhoff.
Did Rob have a brother named Jack?
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Did Rob have a brother named Jack?
And did he go to Penn State?
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New-Hoff..not Me-Off.
Putzes
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New-Hoff..not Me-Off.
Putzes
So, did you meet the Neuhoff, same as the Oldehoff?
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Did Rob have a brother named Jack?
Nah. He had a younger sister that was killed in a car accident a few years later.
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So...based upon this thread I judiciously avoided this program.
I did not want to see it and I would not seek it out.
I was having lunch today at the local sports bar and one of the 123175 tvs was tuned to an ESPN arm that was airing the program. With the sound off.
I watched, occasionally, and my take was that there were about 5-1 Alabama clips to Auburn and, for some fucking reason, Harvey Updyke got airtime. Lots of airtime. Everytime I looked up, Harvey was getting a fade-in/out camera shot that portrayed him as a sympathetic figure.
Fuck this turd.
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Updyke lost his virginity, it just hasn't happened yet.
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So...based upon this thread I judiciously avoided this program.
I did not want to see it and I would not seek it out.
I was having lunch today at the local sports bar and one of the 123175 tvs was tuned to an ESPN arm that was airing the program. With the sound off.
I watched, occasionally, and my take was that there were about 5-1 Alabama clips to Auburn and, for some fucking reason, Harvey Updyke got airtime. Lots of airtime. Everytime I looked up, Harvey was getting a fade-in/out camera shot that portrayed him as a sympathetic figure.
Fuck this turd.
Updyke was in three of the four segments. It could have been done worse but not by a lot.
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I mean, this is old news and therefore not worthy of debate, but I disagree that it portrayed him as a "sympathetic figure". It portrayed him as a batshit insane looney tune.
I sincerely doubt anyone who had never heard of Updyke walked away from watching that thinking "Man, that poor poor soul just had too much Bama in him, that's all."
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I mean, this is old news and therefore not worthy of debate, but I disagree that it portrayed him as a "sympathetic figure". It portrayed him as a batshit insane looney tune.
I sincerely doubt anyone who had never heard of Updyke walked away from watching that thinking "Man, that poor poor soul just had too much Bama in him, that's all."
This is what it looks like when Chizad posts lately.
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