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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on October 19, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
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Tyrann Mathieu is considered a leader of the defense. The spark that sets the gameplan in motion. He's the Nick Fairley of the 2011 season, and he's been a media superstar garnering plenty of attention for the Heisman trophy.
He's single-handedly prevented teams from scoring on LSU's vaunted defense by causing six turnovers. He had a forced fumble against Oregon and a forced fumbled against West Virginia, and both of those forced turnovers were crucial in the momentum for the game. The forced fumble against Oregon was returned by Mathieu for a touchdown, which helped the already successful offense gather more points.
While acting as a leader and a playmaker on defense, he's also the emotional spark that both rallies the LSU defense and agitates the opposing offense. It's no secret that Mathieu runs his mouth on the field. From pregame video of him taunting WVU players to a widely reported tweet calling out a Tennessee receiver, Mathieu knows how to play mind games. His relentless play is the #1 reason why LSU's defense is considered one of if not the best defense in the nation. Without him, that hype is depleted.
Tharold Simon may be the most unknown of the trio, but he's a vital component of LSU's defensive gameplan. He's their only cornerback with significant size standing at 6'3. He's considered a lockdown corner and has accumulated numerous stats that depict his value to the team: 8 passes broken up, 1 quarterback hurry, and 3 tackles for a loss. He also has one interception on the year, which came against Oregon.
The loss of Mathieu is detrimental to LSU's morale. The loss of Simon has altered the entire secondary.
It looks as if Brandon Taylor - a 6'0 200 safety - will move to corner and Craig Loston - banged up, 3 tackles on the year - will start at safety.
Ron Brooks is a senior cornerback that can come in to help, but one has to wonder how much confidence is placed on the veteran when a safety is being moved to fill in for the two suspended corners.
Spencer Ware is being considered the least of their problems, but I'm not sure why. He is their offensive production in games that matter. His stats are comparable to the two backups - both of whom are productive and capable - but his stats are also limited to lack of carries. He carried the ball 6 times for 20 yards against Northwestern St, and he carried the ball 4 times for 5 yards against Kentucky. Both of those games were easy blowouts for LSU, and Ware's legs were saved.
Look at these numbers for Ware in games that matter for LSU:
Oregon - 26 carries for 99 yards
Miss St - 22 carries for 102 yards
WVU - 23 carries for 92 yards
Florida - 24 carries for 109 yards
Tennessee - 23 carries for 80 yards
He gets the start for a reason each game. It's because he is the true workhorse. Anyone that has watched LSU play this year knows that Ware is very similar to Trent Richardson. He breaks tackles. He plows the line of scrimmage. He wears down defenses.
I'm sure being 5'11 230 pounds helps. Alfred Blue and Michael Ford both top out at 215. Speed and shiftiness is their strongsuit. Wearing the defense down - which has been LSU's M.O. - was all on Ware.
That is gone. The easy gameplan for Jarrett Lee to have easy play action passes is gone.
The spark on defense is gone. The tremendous depth at corner is gone. The experience at safety has been desperately shifted to corner.
People keep calling me crazy for thinking Auburn can win. I'm feeling overly confident now. If Auburn can open up the running game and control the clock, I have no doubt that we'll be in this game at the end with a chance to win. We usually fare well in games that we have a chance in. That's one thing I'll always give Gene Chizik.
....this was way more in depth than I had planned on....
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If Blake returns for us and Reed too, then this could hurt them. Otherwise, they should still win. They probably should still win even if we return Blake and Reed but be assured if Auburn wins, the corndogs, bammers and media will say this is why.
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Ware is one of the best backs in the SEC in my opinion. That dude can run...
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Ware is one of the best backs in the SEC in my opinion. That dude can run...
I agree. He's not so much shifty as he is a bulldozer. His second effort just wears a defense down. That's a tremendous loss for LSU's offense.
It's ridiculous thinking by LSU fans to say that his suspension won't hurt them that badly.
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I agree. He's not so much shifty as he is a bulldozer. His second effort just wears a defense down. That's a tremendous loss for LSU's offense.
It's ridiculous thinking by LSU fans to say that his suspension won't hurt them that badly.
Agreed. The other backs can't hold Ware's jock...
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Ware wears the opposing D-lines down so the other two backs can run wild in the second half. Losing him will hurt most definitely. Also, Matthieu is the catalyst for their defense. Losing him and a starting CB will most definitely hurt them badly.
IF Moseley can throw it around enough to keep them from stacking the box...it could be a very close game.
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I agree. He's not so much shifty as he is a bulldozer. His second effort just wears a defense down. That's a tremendous loss for LSU's offense.
It's ridiculous thinking by LSU fans to say that his suspension won't hurt them that badly.
BUT....if they lose, this will be the excuse. Watch how the corndogs use all of this to their advantage conveniently.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSD4vsh1zDA
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Doesn't matter.
And they've already built an edifice of confidence in their team despite losing 2 of their best players and a very worthy backup. In fact, I was reading on Tigerdroppings last night that this could actually bode well for their team.
They'll give their backups a chance to grow and develop in order to have more depth against Alabama.
The team will unite and rally around the suspended players like Auburn did with Cam Newton.
Les Miles is instilling proper discipline in the team, and this will ensure focus and determination with the team this Saturday.
If they want to spin this into an excuse fest after we win, that's no problem. The refs usually help us win, or the SEC and NCAA helped us buy a player. Par for the course with the corndogs.
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Doesn't matter.
And they've already built an edifice of confidence in their team despite losing 2 of their best players and a very worthy backup. In fact, I was reading on Tigerdroppings last night that this could actually bode well for their team.
They'll give their backups a chance to grow and develop in order to have more depth against Alabama.
The team will unite and rally around the suspended players like Auburn did with Cam Newton.
Les Miles is instilling proper discipline in the team, and this will ensure focus and determination with the team this Saturday.
If they want to spin this into an excuse fest after we win, that's no problem. The refs usually help us win, or the SEC and NCAA helped us buy a player. Par for the course with the corndogs.
The hell you say! We have a plan THS....we are going to impede every single punt return they have. That is the key. We have already paid the refs in advance with Lowder's ATM cards. This one is in the bag.
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I want to believe...I really do. I just can't let myself get too hopeful for the game though.
Do you guys realize that we are starting a QB for the first time, in Baton Rouge, against the nation's best defense, with a young OL that just lost a starter for the year? Do you guys realize that the first time starting QB will be missing his top two WR's and will be throwing to a 25 year old guy that never lived up to his potential and a bunch of 18 year old kids?
You can say what you want about losing the honey badger or LSU not having any LB's that you can name, but that is not where LSU beats you. They pound you into submission with their big DL. Those fuckers are big and fast...and there are a lot of them. Losing Ware hurts the most in my opinion, however, the other 2 backs are smaller and quicker, which we typically have a problem tackling.
I expect LSU to beat us pretty good. I expect LSU to stuff the box and put the game in Moseley's hand. I expect Moseley to struggle mightily.
I am not admitting defeat. I am just trying to counter act what the "I got a feeling" crowd is throwing out there...
I still say that we have a lot better chance with Alabama in a couple of weeks. This is going to be a tough game to keep close...
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That's fine, ye of little faith.
Is two a crowd? Because I think Prowler and I are the only ones in the "I got a feeling" crowd.
Let that mean what it means.
I just have a feeling that we come ready to play and that LSU doesn't. That feeling started Sunday morning. Yesterday, three of LSU's most important players decided they weren't ready to play against Auburn.
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That's fine, ye of little faith.
Is two a crowd? Because I think Prowler and I are the only ones in the "I got a feeling" crowd.
Let that mean what it means.
I just have a feeling that we come ready to play and that LSU doesn't. That feeling started Sunday morning. Yesterday, three of LSU's most important players decided they weren't ready to play against Auburn.
I hope to god you are right...
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Is two a crowd? Because I think Prowler and I are the only ones in the "I got a feeling" crowd.
No, I climbed on board yesterday morning.
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That's fine, ye of little faith.
Is two a crowd? Because I think Prowler and I are the only ones in the "I got a feeling" crowd.
Let that mean what it means.
I just have a feeling that we come ready to play and that LSU doesn't. That feeling started Sunday morning. Yesterday, three of LSU's most important players decided they weren't ready to play against Auburn.
Just make sure you give and get.
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I'm in agreement with WE on this one. If Blake and Reed are out, they put 47 players within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage. More importantly, if Mosely was any better than Trotter, he would have been playing long before now....and Trotter suxx.
Our one saving grace is the senior leadership we have in our secondary. Neiko Torched will pull....wait....I mean, Trotter suxx.
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More importantly, if Mosely was any better than Trotter, he would have been playing long before now....and Trotter suxx.
The only thing I'm hoping for is that Mosely is one of those rare individuals that is a gamer. We've all seen them before but they are few and far in between.
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The only thing I'm hoping for is that Mosely is one of those rare individuals that is a gamer. We've all seen them before but they are few and far in between.
Getting back to that whole "they were neck and neck" thing...I think they went in thinking it was Trotter's job to lose, but hoping Mosley would surprise them, and he didn't. However, like you say...Trotter probably looked serviceable in practice, but just can't pull the trigger. There are often traits that can't be brought out until your put under fire, and tested at full speed. Rod Bramlett seems to think he's got a stronger arm. I don't, however, think like that moron RWS that the Gus was saying "he was the better guy all along, and we always knew it." I think he really couldn't win the job...it took Trotter pissing it away. Let's hope they were neck and neck, and the difference will be shown in the intangibles of live speed decision making.
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Getting back to that whole "they were neck and neck" thing...I think they went in thinking it was Trotter's job to lose, but hoping Mosley would surprise them, and he didn't. However, like you say...Trotter probably looked serviceable in practice, but just can't pull the trigger. There are often traits that can't be brought out until your put under fire, and tested at full speed. Rod Bramlett seems to think he's got a stronger arm. I don't, however, think like that moron RWS that the Gus was saying "he was the better guy all along, and we always knew it." I think he really couldn't win the job...it took Trotter pissing it away. Let's hope they were neck and neck, and the difference will be shown in the intangibles of live speed decision making.
What does Bramlett know? After all, he's no Stan White.
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What does Bramlett know? After all, he's no Stan White.
You're absolutely probably right.
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You're absolutely probably right.
Stan said that the Wide Reciever just got raped over the coals to kingdom comes.
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Again I would like to point out that it was Mosley that said himself he lost the QB job with a poor performance during scrimmage. Also, Malzahn pointed out to Chizik that Mosley had a pretty deep ball. I believe both of these statements were in the ESPN Year of the QB thingy they did with Auburn.
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Again I would like to point out that it was Mosley that said himself he lost the QB job with a poor performance during scrimmage. Also, Malzahn pointed out to Chizik that Mosley had a pretty deep ball. I believe both of these statements were in the ESPN Year of the QB thingy they did with Auburn.
Well that kind of sucks because that would mean he is not a "gamer."
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Well that kind of sucks because that would mean he is not a "gamer."
You could look at it that way to but as hard as Mosley took it when he didn't win the starting spot, I think the kid having a second chance will make good on it. Also with him getting his feet wet against the Gators, his confidence is fresh and 100% I would think. I believe he is a gamer, he just needed to sit at #2 for a minute to put things in perspective for him.
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Stan said that the Wide Reciever just got raped over the coals to kingdom comes.
He also said this LSU game will be a tough road to hold, but if we keep our noses up, and play like we know we are certainly available to play, we can almost probably win for sure.
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He also said this LSU game will be a tough road to hold, but if we keep our noses up, and play like we know we are certainly available to play, we can almost probably win for sure.
He's gonna' have to bring his A gain to the plate.
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He's gonna' have to bring his A gain to the plate.
So, Stan White will be starting QB this Saturday?
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For those that don't believe, this will help....We Are Going To See A Mutha Fuckin' Slant Route This Weekend......A. SLANT. ROUTE.
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For those that don't believe, this will help....We Are Going To See A Mutha Fuckin' Slant Route This Weekend......A. SLANT. ROUTE.
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:blink: :blink:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Does a "bit of a gunslinger" trump a "gamer" ?
If so, which of the two is likely to throw "A Mutha Fuckin' Slant Route" ?
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Does a "bit of a gunslinger" trump a "gamer" ?
If so, which of the two is likely to throw "A Mutha Fuckin' Slant Route" ?
Whichever one doesn't hesitates on his throws...or doesn't pump fake to a wide open receiver.
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Whichever one doesn't hesitates on his throws...or doesn't pump fake to a wide open receiver.
You want our gunlinger to pull the trigger now don't you?
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You want our gunlinger to pull the trigger now don't you?
Only if the receiver is open. Those Ints., that Trotter threw, caused him to hesitate on all of his passes afterwards. You can't be hesitant on timing routes. Lutzenkirchen will be open.