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Title: TCU to Big XII
Post by: wesfau2 on October 06, 2011, 11:19:25 AM
Per Tim Brando, citing CBS Sports.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 06, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
But Marsha, I thought we were going to the dance.

Something suddenly came up.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 06, 2011, 11:45:51 AM
SEC gets Mizzou.  Big 12 gets TCU. 

Somebody got fucked.  It rhymes with us.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AWK on October 06, 2011, 01:11:04 PM
The only way I would want Missouri to join the SEC is if they let us fuck their women...

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/189/087/missouri_display_image.jpg?1313363644)
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Saniflush on October 06, 2011, 01:13:23 PM
The only way I would want Missouri to join the SEC is if they let us fuck their women...

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/189/087/missouri_display_image.jpg?1313363644)


Since when does the King ask for permission? 

Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 06, 2011, 01:16:01 PM
The only way I would want Missouri to join the SEC is if they let us fuck their women...

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/189/087/missouri_display_image.jpg?1313363644)

You can have the one second from left in the above shot. 

This is apparently the best Mizzou has to offer.

(http://sammyvegas.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/2521.jpg)

(http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/missourifans.jpg)

The one in blue with the hat suits me.  I'll take that one.  Ya'll can divvy up the rest.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 06, 2011, 01:20:27 PM
A curious side note. 

Missouri is 6-1 against teams in the SEC (at the time the games were played) since 1980.  I assume those are all bowls, but I found that to be a strange statistic. 
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Saniflush on October 06, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
A curious side note. 

Missouri is 6-1 against teams in the SEC (at the time the games were played) since 1980.  I assume those are all bowls, but I found that to be a strange statistic.

I also find it strange that they lost to Troy.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 06, 2011, 01:54:36 PM
I find it strange that they are 150-400 all time.

Ok, its not really that bad, but its bad enough NOT to be a member of the SEC.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: DnATL on October 06, 2011, 02:00:44 PM
A curious side note. 

Missouri is 6-1 against teams in the SEC (at the time the games were played) since 1980.  I assume those are all bowls, but I found that to be a strange statistic.
Looking back at their schedules, it looks like they beat Miss St twice in a home-and-home series in 81 & 84 (81 game in Jackson, with MSU ranked #9?), lost to Arkansas in Shreveport after 03 season, beat USC in Shreveport after 05 season, beat Ole Miss twice in a home-and-home series in 06 & 07 (07 at Ole Miss, same year that Missouri ended 12-2), and  beat Arkansas in Cotton Bowl after 07 season

There is longer history starting on page 54 - they have more wins than losses against AU, UAT, LSU, and Florida - never played UT despite a common border:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/miss/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/FBRecordBook-2011.pdf
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 06, 2011, 02:06:18 PM
Looking back at their schedules, it looks like they beat Miss St twice in a home-and-home series in 81 & 84 (81 game in Jackson, with MSU ranked #9?), lost to Arkansas in Shreveport after 03 season, beat USC in Shreveport after 05 season, beat Ole Miss twice in a home-and-home series in 06 & 07 (07 at Ole Miss, same year that Missouri ended 12-2), and  beat Arkansas in Cotton Bowl after 07 season

There is longer history starting on page 54 - they have more wins than losses against AU, UAT, LSU, and Florida - never played UT despite a common border:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/miss/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/FBRecordBook-2011.pdf

So if they join the SEC, I won't have to hear "Allarbammer done got a winnin' record ginst EVER team in tha SEC?" 

If that's the case?

WELCOME MIZZOU!
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AUJarhead on October 06, 2011, 02:27:22 PM
Nah, they'll just add

"*minimum of 20 games played against each other."
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 06, 2011, 03:44:45 PM
Where they rank all time:

34  Missouri 0.54331  620  517  52  1189 
35  Mississippi 0.56327  619  476  35  1130 
36  Virginia 0.52796  618  550  48  1216 
37  Utah 0.59057  617  423  31  1071 
38t Maryland 0.53114  610  536  42  1188 
38t Rutgers 0.50399  610  600  42  1252 

Right up there with Ole Miss. They have 1 more win than Ole Miss and 30 more losses. Except they probably didn't face near the caliber of teams during this stretch. Do we really want another Ole Miss or lesser??
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 06, 2011, 03:51:41 PM
Where they rank all time:

34  Missouri 0.54331  620  517  52  1189 
35  Mississippi 0.56327  619  476  35  1130 
36  Virginia 0.52796  618  550  48  1216 
37  Utah 0.59057  617  423  31  1071 
38t Maryland 0.53114  610  536  42  1188 
38t Rutgers 0.50399  610  600  42  1252 

Right up there with Ole Miss. They have 1 more win than Ole Miss and 30 more losses. Except they probably didn't face near the caliber of teams during this stretch. Do we really want another Ole Miss or lesser??

Thats abour 70 more wins all time than USCe
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 06, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
Thats abour 70 more wins all time than USCe

And I think I said in a thread last week that I wasn't (and still am not) crazy about them either.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 06, 2011, 03:55:23 PM
And I think I said in a thread last week that I wasn't (and still am not) crazy about them either.

Name a conf. with no weak teams.  Name one with more contenders than the SEC.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 06, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Name a conf. with no weak teams.  Name one with more contenders than the SEC.  Just sayin'.

That's true. But we already have our USCe, Miss St and Ole Miss.

Kentucky gets a huge pass here due to being probably the best BB program of all time.

But point being, we are at our limit of having mediocre programs. Mizzou would be just one more. Fuck them. If we are gonna add another team it's needs to be more strongly considered than just adding Mizzou.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 06, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
That's true. But we already have our USCe, Miss St and Ole Miss.

Kentucky gets a huge pass here due to being probably the best BB program of all time.

But point being, we are at our limit of having mediocre programs. Mizzou would be just one more. Fuck them. If we are gonna add another team it's needs to be more strongly considered than just adding Mizzou.

Can't disagree, but they aint gonna hurt nothin' either.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on October 06, 2011, 04:41:10 PM
Where they rank all time:

34  Missouri 0.54331  620  517  52  1189 
35  Mississippi 0.56327  619  476  35  1130 
36  Virginia 0.52796  618  550  48  1216 
37  Utah 0.59057  617  423  31  1071 
38t Maryland 0.53114  610  536  42  1188 
38t Rutgers 0.50399  610  600  42  1252 

Right up there with Ole Miss. They have 1 more win than Ole Miss and 30 more losses. Except they probably didn't face near the caliber of teams during this stretch. Do we really want another Ole Miss or lesser??

Well if we're going to add a team I would rather another Ole Miss than another LSU or Florida.  Do you really want someone who would compete with us on the field and in recruiting?
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 07, 2011, 09:29:42 AM
Well if we're going to add a team I would rather another Ole Miss than another LSU or Florida.  Do you really want someone who would compete with us on the field and in recruiting?

Yes. Most good teams already do - ie - FSU.

They would just be in a different conference.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 07, 2011, 09:34:57 AM
Hold off on splitting up the Mizzou women. 

I hear today there are two or three blocking the SEC vote. 
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 07, 2011, 10:44:29 AM
Hold off on splitting up the Mizzou women. 

I hear today there are two or three blocking the SEC vote.

Heard the same thing.  They said the majority voted them in but still short of the votes required.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 10:54:48 AM
Heard the same thing.  They said the majority voted them in but still short of the votes required.

According to most accounts, 75% voted in a positive fashion for Mizzou... 
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 07, 2011, 10:58:48 AM
According to most accounts, 75% voted in a positive fashion for Mizzou...

WWWHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
WWWHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????

Format?  I dunno...
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 07, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
Format?  I dunno...

Why we would want to reach out to Mizzou, I'll never know.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
Why we would want to reach out to Mizzou, I'll never know.

I'm thinking it probably wasn't a good idea for one of their "annonymous" sources "from the Missouri Administration" allow, in print, their dissapoinment in not being invited to the B1G10 to be made public.  You know, cause I know in most interviews with potential invites/ employment is to express your dissapointment in that you're now interviewing for a second (or worse) choice.

Fuck'em.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 07, 2011, 11:11:17 AM
WWWHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????

To fill the 14th slot. 

Finebaum has said one thing lately that I agree with.  The way this whole expansion deal has, and is playing out makes the SEC look a little clumsy. 

My take is like I said before, they told aTm to wait until they had #14 lined up, then they'd make the move.  aTm got too nervous and started looking at other options, and the SEC took them in as #13 out of fear of being left behind without further plans to complete the league.  Now, they're in a bind.  You can't play a fair league schedule, with unequally sized divisions. 

On the bright side, maybe it's a stopgap measure.  TCU?  Did they every play a Big East Game?  Nope, now they're in the Big 12.  Maybe we replace Mizzou in a year or 2. 

Bottom line...WE are the Jones, and we shouldn't be trying to keep up.  The SEC would have been just fine the way it was.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 11:16:48 AM
To fill the 14th slot. 

Finebaum has said one thing lately that I agree with.  The way this whole expansion deal has, and is playing out makes the SEC look a little clumsy. 

My take is like I said before, they told aTm to wait until they had #14 lined up, then they'd make the move.  aTm got too nervous and started looking at other options, and the SEC took them in as #13 out of fear of being left behind without further plans to complete the league.  Now, they're in a bind.  You can't play a fair league schedule, with unequally sized divisions. 

On the bright side, maybe it's a stopgap measure.  TCU?  Did they every play a Big East Game?  Nope, now they're in the Big 12.  Maybe we replace Mizzou in a year or 2. 

Bottom line...WE are the Jones, and we shouldn't be trying to keep up.  The SEC would have been just fine the way it was.

Has to be percieved as a shot at Missouri also in a sense that by rejection, and potentially having to stay at 13 teams, the SEC Schools have essentially chosen a difficult unbalanced schedule over an even 14.  I just don't think after Missouri announced they they were basically settling on the SEC, that the SEC prez's were going to just settle on them in return. 

The situation is so fluid, I don't think it was time to make a move yet.  Probably many conversations with other schools behind the scenes to make definitive moves at this time.  Too early.   
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 07, 2011, 11:29:14 AM
Has to be percieved as a shot at Missouri also in a sense that by rejection, and potentially having to stay at 13 teams, the SEC Schools have essentially chosen a difficult unbalanced schedule over an even 14.  I just don't think after Missouri announced they they were basically settling on the SEC, that the SEC prez's were going to just settle on them in return. 

The situation is so fluid, I don't think it was time to make a move yet.  Probably many conversations with other schools behind the scenes to make definitive moves at this time.  Too early.

I think it all depends on how nervous Slive is about it all, and if he'll exert influence and pressure on the "No Votes" to get this wrapped up, or if he's willing to suffer the growing pains of a season with a wonky schedule and wait on a better fit to break loose from it's current situation. 
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
I think it all depends on how nervous Slive is about it all, and if he'll exert influence and pressure on the "No Votes" to get this wrapped up, or if he's willing to suffer the growing pains of a season with a wonky schedule and wait on a better fit to break loose from it's current situation.

I think it's the latter...

Slive is slick enough to have allowed this to go to vote, knowing it wasn't going to pass.  Maybe? Never know. Again, some of the way this is working is to make the rest of the country know you're "not" pursuing a 14th, even when you obviously are.  Missouri still might make it into the SEC, but it won't be until other teams have had their chance to present their interest/non-intrest first.  It's all happening quick, but like in a game of chicken, you don't want to flinch this early.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 07, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Why we would want to reach out to Mizzou, I'll never know.

Other teams will have to carry the SEC load and what do they get out of the deal? A cheeseburger?

Mizzou brings nothing to the table.  It's like they are lining up to scrounge money from the rest of the SEC. If they can't pay their own way why should we foot the bill?
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 07, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
Other teams will have to carry the SEC load and what do they get out of the deal? A cheeseburger?

From Hamblor? God of Hamburgers?  Could swing a vote...

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Mizzou brings nothing to the table.  It's like they are lining up to scrounge money from the rest of the SEC. If they can't pay their own way why should we foot the bill?

Agreed. I'm wondering WHO is out there potentially, that has SEC interest, would be anyone that brings an actual market and a product to the show that makes this whole thing worth while.  I don't know who that would be yet.  I have ideas like anyone else, but I'm not sure who would that's truly interested.  I still have to think that team is in the ACC still...  I don't give a damn, I have to STILL think VA Tech, Clemson, FSU and others are still waiting and watching are still prospects till it's definitively over.  JMO...
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: JR4AU on October 07, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
Other teams will have to carry the SEC load and what do they get out of the deal? A cheeseburger?

Mizzou brings nothing to the table.  It's like they are lining up to scrounge money from the rest of the SEC. If they can't pay their own way why should we foot the bill?

Didn't need aTm either, but we took them in, and now we have to take the bad too.  It was a bad idea when Slive thought we needed to expand or be left behind.  Hell, nobody's caught up yet.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 07, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
Other teams will have to carry the SEC load and what do they get out of the deal? A cheeseburger?

Mizzou brings nothing to the table.  It's like they are lining up to scrounge money from the rest of the SEC. If they can't pay their own way why should we foot the bill?

This is prehistoric thinking on the SEC's part.
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: Kaos on October 07, 2011, 12:11:46 PM
This is prehistoric thinking on the SEC's part.

I wish Slive would let people vote.  Hell, everybody who's anybody has an iPad.  Just put an app out there. 
Title: Re: TCU to Big XII
Post by: GH2001 on October 07, 2011, 10:54:12 PM
I wish Slive would let people vote.  Hell, everybody who's anybody has an iPad. 

You got that right.   #winning