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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on September 29, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
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No discussion on the new law in Alabama that was passed yesterday?
I've already had two students withdraw.
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Good! It's working!!!
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No discussion on the new law in Alabama that was passed yesterday?
I've already had two students withdraw.
Give a synopsis.
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Illegal immigrants ain't git same rights as you and me.
Essentially, the police and schools now have the right to question suspected illegal immigrants about their status.
I'm still a little unsure about the roles of the schools, but supposedly if a student does not have a birth certificate on file or some kind of proof that they're here legally, they are to be removed from the school immediately.
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Illegal immigrants ain't git same rights as you and me.
Essentially, the police and schools now have the right to question suspected illegal immigrants about their status.
I'm still a little unsure about the roles of the schools, but supposedly if a student does not have a birth certificate on file or some kind of proof that they're here legally, they are to be removed from the school immediately.
Sounds fine to me. This should be the status quo. You should check out some of the harsh immigration policies of some countries. The Key Word here is "legal". If they are not "legal" they are ILLEGAL, as in against the LAW. It is that simple. I am sure a lawyer will tell us all that it isn't though.
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Lawyers are already trying to say it isn't legal to enforce a law. Whatever.
We have ESL teachers here trying to organize a rally. I just smirk at them. I wonder if they actually care about these people. Strange that non-ESL teachers aren't getting involved.
I only hope that those enforcing this law don't take advantage of it. I understand they're illegals and need to go back, but they should still be treated fairly.
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Guess this explains where Sweets has been.
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I'm still a little unsure about the roles of the schools, but supposedly if a student does not have a birth certificate on file or some kind of proof that they're here legally, they are to be removed from the school immediately.
Oh my gawd!!! An actual burf certificate??? When I was younger, I remember having to show my birth certificate when enrolling in a school. Come to think of it, I also needed it when registering for extracurricular sports programs. Oh... The humanity...
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Lawyers are already trying to say it isn't legal to enforce a law. Whatever.
We have ESL teachers here trying to organize a rally. I just smirk at them. I wonder if they actually care about these people. Strange that non-ESL teachers aren't getting involved.
I only hope that those enforcing this law don't take advantage of it. I understand they're illegals and need to go back, but they should still be treated fairly.
I wouldn't believe that anyone's actually advocating any poor treatment of illegal immigrants. In fact, it would be great if the states would just require proof of citizenship (or appropriate Visa/permit) to receive benefits and other privileges. No education... No welfare... No driver's license... And, so on...
We wouldn't have to ship them back. They'd eventually move on to Canada...
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No discussion on the new law in Alabama that was passed yesterday?
I've already had two students withdraw.
I have reported the State of Alabama to ATTACKWATCH.COM for harassment of Democrat voters in implementing this new law.
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Lawyers are already trying to say it isn't legal to enforce a law. Whatever.
We have ESL teachers here trying to organize a rally. I just smirk at them. I wonder if they actually care about these people. Strange that non-ESL teachers aren't getting involved.
I only hope that those enforcing this law don't take advantage of it. I understand they're illegals and need to go back, but they should still be treated fairly.
The Pharaoh's Justice Dept. has made a project of trying to stop Georgia's new law also but to no avail so far...I assume that they'll come after Alabama too.
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While the ACLU still lives and breathes, they figure they can bilk the hard working legal residents for billions more before it gets to the point where they will actually leave. We've given them no reason to believe that this will actually become common practice. If they can just hold out long enough, liberalism will save them.
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For the record, let me catch one of my white trash shit birds driving around in my area next week without a license. I guarantee I'll arrest a white person for not providing citizenship records. It might get tossed, but I'm gonna do it.
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For the record, let me catch one of my white trash shit birds driving around in my area next week without a license. I guarantee I'll arrest a white person for not providing citizenship records. It might get tossed, but I'm gonna do it.
Do it!
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Seriously though, this shit is going to put a major strain on local courts. Although we have 287g in our county (And I think we are one of the few) if they are arrested, they must clear up any and all district court issues before ICE can take custody. Jails across the state could be beyond capacity in only a few days.
So I wonder. Do we want our jails full of people who are here illegally, or do we want them full of people who are using/selling drugs and burglarizing residences?
I hate this law.
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Seriously though, this shit is going to put a major strain on local courts. Although we have 287g in our county (And I think we are one of the few) if they are arrested, they must clear up any and all district court issues before ICE can take custody. Jails across the state could be beyond capacity in only a few days.
So I wonder. Do we want our jails full of people who are here illegally, or do we want them full of people who are using/selling drugs and burglarizing residences?
I hate this law.
I don't know about the Alabama law. Does it force you to take them into custody? Just asking...
Why not just have local law enforcement report them to ICE.
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Seriously though, this shit is going to put a major strain on local courts. Although we have 287g in our county (And I think we are one of the few) if they are arrested, they must clear up any and all district court issues before ICE can take custody. Jails across the state could be beyond capacity in only a few days.
So I wonder. Do we want our jails full of people who are here illegally, or do we want them full of people who are using/selling drugs and burglarizing residences?
I hate this law.
What's your opinion on how to handle the illegal immigration problem?
How else can we locate, identify, and remove the illegals?
Because it is a problem. I hate this law because I worry for their human rights. But I love it because I'm tired of watching my job's budget get depleted while 24% (and growing) of my school's population pays zilch to be there.
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I don't know about the Alabama law. Does it force you to take them into custody? Just asking...
Why not just have local law enforcement report them to ICE.
No one really knows. The original law did, and it gave citizens the right to sue the local law enforcement if they didn't arrest illegals. I know that part was blocked, but it's still to the point that no one can explain what exactly needs to be enforced.
But yeah, if our law enforcement is going to be forced to question and arrest illegal immigrants, they aren't going to have time to work actual crimes like burglaries and drugs. It's bullshit, and it's going to end up being a task force assigned primarily to that. Which means more jobs for local agencies to budget for, and more dollars tax dollars being used for law enforcement.
I'm against it, I'm against 95% of what ICE does during daily operations, but I don't have a solution. So....
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What's your opinion on how to handle the illegal immigration problem?
How else can we locate, identify, and remove the illegals?
Because it is a problem. I hate this law because I worry for their human rights. But I love it because I'm tired of watching my job's budget get depleted while 24% (and growing) of my school's population pays zilch to be there.
I don't have an answer, but I know what isn't the answer. Arresting them and placing them in jail isn't it. It crowds the jails. It crowds the district courts (which we are already cutting down because of state budget problems). It stretches an already thin law enforcement agency. It will put an even greater strain on DHR, who will have to be called for any children who's parents will be arrested. And it still won't work. ICE will take custody of them after the state pays to house and feed them for 2-3 weeks, then ICE will hold them for months before flying them back to _______________. In 2 weeks, they'll be back.
It's political banter, nothing more. BUT, I am shocked (along with every other LE official) that the entire law wasn't blocked. The fact that a good bit of it was allowed to stand has caught everyone by surprise, and to be quite honest, nobody actually knows what is supposed to be enforced.
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I'm against it, I'm against 95% of what ICE does during daily operations, but I don't have a solution. So....
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There's no doubt that we've been handling it incorrectly for decades, and many of the current attempts to solve the problem are a bit overzealous, as you have indicated. We need to stop it somehow. Cutting off the local and federal government giveaway programs would be a nice start... Enforcing e-Verify programs would be curb illegal employment... There's no single solution to completely resolve this overnight, but we can take measures to address this without imposing too much burden on local law enforcement or anyone else for that matter.
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There's no doubt that we've been handling it incorrectly for decades, and many of the current attempts to solve the problem are a bit overzealous, as you have indicated. We need to stop it somehow. Cutting off the local and federal government giveaway programs would be a nice start... Enforcing e-Verify programs would be curb illegal employment... There's no single solution to completely resolve this overnight, but we can take measures to address this without imposing too much burden on local law enforcement or anyone else for that matter.
I agree, but it's going to take people who are serious about fixing the problem, not someone who is trying to further their political career by appealing to the ignorant. Unfortunately, I don't see enough people in the right places to make a difference. I'm not sure we ever will.
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Seriously though, this shit is going to put a major strain on local courts. Although we have 287g in our county (And I think we are one of the few) if they are arrested, they must clear up any and all district court issues before ICE can take custody. Jails across the state could be beyond capacity in only a few days.
So I wonder. Do we want our jails full of people who are here illegally, or do we want them full of people who are using/selling drugs and burglarizing residences?
I hate this law.
Blame the people who broke the law then. Not a state for enforcing it. Just saying.
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Birmingham Municipal Court, District Court, and Circuit Court don't have enough employees to properly function. This should work out great...
Also, the Constitution provides rights to protected classes, two of which are race and national origin...but whatevs.
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Birmingham Municipal Court, District Court, and Circuit Court don't have enough employees to properly function. This should work out great...
Also, the Constitution provides rights to protected classes, two of which are race and national origin...but whatevs.
Heavens to Murgatroyd... I mean, how dare we verify citizenship for anyone applying for a job, school, welfare benefits, food stamps, etc... I don't believe the local government should be required to detain anyone who fails to provide proof, but I see nothing wrong with notifying ICE.
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Blame the people who broke the law then. Not a state for enforcing it. Just saying.
I'm not a Hispanic hugger by any means. But I'm less of an advocate for poorly thought out laws in the name of appealing to the masses.
This shit is going to end up like the Immigration Customs Enforcement. We will end up having a Federal level, ICE, and we will create a new state level, because local agencies will not have near the manpower. I can assure you, the last thing we need to throw at this problem is more government.
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I'm not a Hispanic hugger by any means. But I'm less of an advocate for poorly thought out laws in the name of appealing to the masses.
This shit is going to end up like the Immigration Customs Enforcement. We will end up having a Federal level, ICE, and we will create a new state level, because local agencies will not have near the manpower. I can assure you, the last thing we need to throw at this problem is more government.
I can agree with that. The government is only going to screw this up.
The real problem is the people. The people who hire illegals instead of American citizens. The people who cater to illegals instead of demanding they apply for citizenship or work visa.
But the dollar in the short term always defeats the nation in the long term.
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I can agree with that. The government is only going to screw this up.
The real problem is the people. The people who hire illegals instead of American citizens. The people who cater to illegals instead of demanding they apply for citizenship or work visa.
But the dollar in the short term always defeats the nation in the long term.
Hold on there... The government actually created that problem too. Most companies do not knowingly hire illegal aliens. Even if they do suspect that a potential employee may be providing false information, they have no authority to take any action. Here in Georgia, our new immigration bill enforces e-Verify which validates a person's eligibility to work. If that person fails the e-Verify check, the employer cannot hire them. The rhetoric floating around out there about companies recruiting illegals is far from the truth.
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I can agree with that. The government is only going to screw this up.
The real problem is the people. The people who hire illegals instead of American citizens. The people who cater to illegals instead of demanding they apply for citizenship or work visa.
But the dollar in the short term always defeats the nation in the long term.
Ummm, the gov't has already screwed up. That's why we are in this mess. They never took this problem seriously until it got out of hand. They allowed the "magnet" to exist that you speak of. The magnet being anything that attracts the illegals over here. That is the part we need to enforce. If we cut them off at that spot, many will move back home voluntarily.
"Government is not the answer to the problem. Government IS the problem." - RR
Perfect example of this here. The question you have to ask is, do you really trust the same person to fix it, that broke it in the first place? Person being the Federal Gov't. At least the states are TRYING to be proactive to some degree, even if it's not perfect. The law itself will be a deterent for many of them without 1 man hour's worth of work on our side. But until other states put up a deterent like this, the illegals will just take sanctuary in another state (like Mass.).
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Heavens to Murgatroyd... I mean, how dare we verify citizenship for anyone applying for a job, school, welfare benefits, food stamps, etc... I don't believe the local government should be required to detain anyone who fails to provide proof, but I see nothing wrong with notifying ICE.
Detain.
Schools are bankrupt. County, city, state and federal governments are bankrupt. Free salad days are over, Esse.
Quit paying for illegals and a lot of that gets fixed.
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http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20110930/NEWS/110939988/1016/NEWS?Title=Etowah-County-makes-first-charge-in-state-for-immigration-law-violation
Etowah County makes first charge in state for immigration law violation
Man arrested is from Yemen
By Lisa Rogers
The first arrest for a violation of Alabama’s new immigration law has been made in Etowah County. The man is from Yemen and was arrested during a drug raid early Friday at a house on Madison Avenue, Sheriff Todd Entrekin said.
Mohamed Ali Muflahi, 24, was taken into custody for obstructing a government operation during the raid, Entrekin said.
Two other men also were arrested during the raid. One man said he was born in Yemen, but he has been granted U.S. citizenship and he had documentation. The other man also is from Yemen and had proper documentation to be in the U.S. on a work visa.
Their immigration status was checked once the men were taken to the Etowah County jail. Muflahi did not have documentation and also is charged with violation of the immigration law, a misdemeanor, Entrekin said.
“To my knowledge, this is the first immigration violation arrest that has been made in Etowah County,” Entrekin said.
Entrekin said the immigration law does not allow officers to check someone’s status unless he or she first is arrested on some other charge. He said anyone who does not have documentation, such as a driver’s license, to verify citizenship status can be arrested, regardless of how he or she looks or talks.
“The focus of this law has been just on Hispanics,” Entrekin said, “but this arrest just shows there are a lot of nationalities within our communities that could be here illegally, not just Hispanics.”
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http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20110930/NEWS/110939988/1016/NEWS?Title=Etowah-County-makes-first-charge-in-state-for-immigration-law-violation
WHAT??? He's not Mexican? He's not Hispanic??? But, we were told...
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I will say this:
There better be at least one white or black dude checked for immigration status. It should be applied to all people no matter their color.
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I will say this:
There better be at least one white or black dude checked for immigration status. It should be applied to all people no matter their color.
The way this law is set up, it will discourage officers from attempting to enforce the law. Lot of behind the scenes stuff right now.
Judge threw out the clause that allows citizens to file suits against agencies who don't enforce the law, but DAs around the state saying can not arrest on immigration status alone. The person must be arrested for another crime before status can be checked.
I feel like this is a move by the State to bluff illegal immigrants into moving away. The e-verify will end up being the most productive part of this law.
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I will say this:
There better be at least one white or black dude checked for immigration status. It should be applied to all people no matter their color.
Seems reasonable to me...
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The way this law is set up, it will discourage officers from attempting to enforce the law. Lot of behind the scenes stuff right now.
Judge threw out the clause that allows citizens to file suits against agencies who don't enforce the law, but DAs around the state saying can not arrest on immigration status alone. The person must be arrested for another crime before status can be checked.
I feel like this is a move by the State to bluff illegal immigrants into moving away. The e-verify will end up being the most productive part of this law.
From what I've read, you can only request proof of citizenship when they're being arrested or "detained" for another reason. You can't simply walk up to someone and request proof of citizenship.
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From what I've read, you can only request proof of citizenship when they're being arrested or "detained" for another reason. You can't simply walk up to someone and request proof of citizenship.
Right. Well, technically, we're asking for proof on any traffic stop. That's what a drivers license is. BUT, can't make an arrest for not having it. With the 287g program that we already have, nothing has changed for us. We already verified legal status of anyone booked in.
Like I said, the e-verify is the best part of this law.
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As long as they refuse benefits to anyone that cannot show proof, I'm good. If you can't educate, or use gubment benefits without paying taxes, then you will move away. And that will allow us to then work on programs to help out CITIZENS.
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I feel like this is a move by the State to bluff illegal immigrants into moving away. The e-verify will end up being the most productive part of this law.
I hope it works.
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I hope it works.
I live in GA. I hope we pass the same damn thing quickly. Cause they all packing up and moving this way!
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I live in GA. I hope we pass the same damn thing quickly. Cause they all packing up and moving this way!
Atlanta is the melting pot, they are totally cool with it. We checked.
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I live in GA. I hope we pass the same damn thing quickly. Cause they all packing up and moving this way!
Actually, the GA bill has passed and should be in effect. It's very similar to Alabama's.
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Atlanta is the melting pot, they are totally cool with it. We checked.
Well, sure... As long as they can keep taxing the snot out of the unincorporated section north of the Perimeter, the former Miltion County area, they'd be happy with anything.
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I live in GA. I hope we pass the same damn thing quickly. Cause they all packing up and moving this way!
The Russian Illegal Immigrants? Or do you mean someone else? Garman needs to be informed.
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The Russian Illegal Immigrants? Or do you mean someone else? Garman needs to be informed.
He probably means anyone who is illegal.
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He probably means anyone who is illegal.
Yeah, I'm sure he meant "anyone who is illegal" and not hispanics. I hate it when they play their loud rap music and have the best dance moves.
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Yeah, I'm sure he meant "anyone who is illegal" and not hispanics. I hate it when they play their loud rap music and have the best dance moves.
I've been pretty clear about that. I really can't help it if you've got shit for brains.
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No discussion on the new law in Alabama that was passed yesterday?
I've already had two students withdraw.
It seems as though we made a deal with the devil by electing Bentley. His campaign promise of lowering unemployment was to scare off all of the Mexicans so the people in our state can have a bunch of shitty Mexican jobs. I'm sure people will understand the true cost of this when Cinco de Mayo rolls around and we are without delicious margaritas.
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It seems as though we made a deal with the devil by electing Bentley. His campaign promise of lowering unemployment was to scare off all of the Mexicans so the people in our state can have a bunch of shitty Mexican jobs. I'm sure people will understand the true cost of this when Cinco de Mayo rolls around and we are without delicious margaritas.
This man knows
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This man knows
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The good guys dress in black, remember that just in case we ever face to face and make contact.
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From what I've read, you can only request proof of citizenship when they're being arrested or "detained" for another reason. You can't simply walk up to someone and request proof of citizenship.
Correct
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Right. Well, technically, we're asking for proof on any traffic stop. That's what a drivers license is. BUT, can't make an arrest for not having it. With the 287g program that we already have, nothing has changed for us. We already verified legal status of anyone booked in.
Like I said, the e-verify is the best part of this law.
Yes. They ammended 32-6-9. It's stand alone, though it's an offshoot of this immigration bill. It mandates that if the officer cannot verify that a person has a valid DL, they're to be taken directly before the nearest magistrate. At that time, their immigration status will also be checked. It also says they can't be detained any longer than reasonably necessary to ID them, and let them make a signature bond. If after they are bonded, ICE tells you they're illegal, guess what, you can't then go back and detain them.