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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on September 21, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
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Talking to the one semi-rational bama fan I know. The one able to give credit (and blame) where it's due. The one not attached to Saban's dick (even though he does get an occasional taste).
This is what he says and what I suspect most loudmouth Tide fans suspect/fear:
If you guys had just a half ass defense, say one capable of holding people to 21 points, it's scary to think where you'd be right now.
You probably win the West or at least finish second in 2009. We don't win the BCS. You destroy everybody in 2010 and even with the loss of Cam and Nick you've got a legitimate chance to repeat this year. Definitely a Top Ten, Top 5 team.
You're sitting at 26-3, 27-2 since Chizik got there.
And then he dives off into bama speak
What's going to happen when Gus leaves and stops propping all that up, though. You think it's ugly now? Wait until you're giving up 40 a game and your offense falls off and you're only scoring in the 20s. You guys could go from 14-0 to 0-14 in two years.
Better hope you find a way to get that defense fixed. It's what Saban does and why we're Top Five every year.
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I almost agree with all of it.
I'm not part of the fringe group that thinks Malzahn is the end all, be all of the team. But Chizik has to do something about the defense.
The tackling was so piss poor that not even Tuberville's strategy of "eat all of the clock" would help.
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Talking to the one semi-rational bama fan I know. The one able to give credit (and blame) where it's due. The one not attached to Saban's dick (even though he does get an occasional taste).
This is what he says and what I suspect most loudmouth Tide fans suspect/fear:
If you guys had just a half ass defense, say one capable of holding people to 21 points, it's scary to think where you'd be right now.
You probably win the West or at least finish second in 2009. We don't win the BCS. You destroy everybody in 2010 and even with the loss of Cam and Nick you've got a legitimate chance to repeat this year. Definitely a Top Ten, Top 5 team.
You're sitting at 26-3, 27-2 since Chizik got there.
And then he dives off into bama speak
What's going to happen when Gus leaves and stops propping all that up, though. You think it's ugly now? Wait until you're giving up 40 a game and your offense falls off and you're only scoring in the 20s. You guys could go from 14-0 to 0-14 in two years.
Better hope you find a way to get that defense fixed. It's what Saban does and why we're Top Five every year.
Been fucking saying some of that. If we have a defense that can hold a 2 possession lead, we win 10 in '09, don't even have a scare in '10, and we're 3-0 now with a legit shot to repeat.
Don't agree that Malzahn leaving means complete collapse. More than a couple of guys out there doing what he does, or something similar. As long as Chiz hires a guy with credentials, and lets him coach, the offense will be fine.
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Just heard an analysis of Missouri's prospects in the SEC. It was in response to a caller who said "the SEC is everything Missouri is not"
They said "I dunno, Missouri could compete. They could beat Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss...pause...Auburn."
Color me flabbergasted. Is that how people outside our sphere see us? I don't get it. What do we have to do? We've won more over the last 30 years than the majority of the so-called elite.
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As one who did not grow up in Alabama and one who was not an Auburn fan until my freshman year, I can tell you that people outside of Auburn don't understand Auburn.
I loathed Auburn as a kid. I was an LSU fan, and after the 94 game, I thought Auburn was a parasite. They weren't a state-named school. There was Louisiana. Tennessee. Georgia. Alabama. Florida. And Auburn? And they won? Who the hell is Auburn?
I think that's the attitude of many people outside of the SEC.
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Just heard an analysis of Missouri's prospects in the SEC. It was in response to a caller who said "the SEC is everything Missouri is not"
They said "I dunno, Missouri could compete. They could beat Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss...pause...Auburn."
Color me flabbergasted. Is that how people outside our sphere see us? I don't get it. What do we have to do? We've won more over the last 30 years than the majority of the so-called elite.
What do we have to do? Get you a gun. Shut the fucking cock-holsters of the fucks that get on the radio and internet and call Auburn irrelevant when we're the defending National Champion. Shut the yaps of callers that claim "We're allerebammer, and we gonna beat Auburn" immediately following Auburn beating them down in their own house. Shut the yaps of the fucking media that will, gratis, give bammer #1 preseason following a championship "just because they're bammer and they've earned it despite all the personnel losses" but will nit pick Auburn following a Championship and consider not ranking them. Shut the fucking yaps of all the dumbass fucks that think 25 year era of football that ended 30 years ago, is more relevant than the last 30 years! That's what we have to do...kill the fuckers, and make the survivors fear spreading completely false shit!
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And shut the fucking yaps of all the morons that call Auburn the cheatingest program out there when their own program is currently on probation, is the program with the most major violations the last 30 years, and just missed the death penalty a decade ago, and where Auburn hasn't had a major violation in over 20 years.
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From the college folk here in Texas this is what I get.
Auburn is the middle brother( like a&m), we do ok sometime but for the most part of it were a middle tier team. Won our fair share but never made it to the big dance. 2004 a distance memory and most folk outside of Auburn couldn’t tell you what our record was that year. Last year we go all the way but with media hyped controversy (truth-Un-truth?) all they know is what they hear from the talking heads. Once again the SEC is in the limelight. We also had the two best players in the land and now they’re gone. If it wasn’t for them why are we struggling now? (Good point)
I try and explain (past 30 years-our record in the sec-etc) waste of my time.
Outside of the south-the rest of the media is tired of the SEC and enjoys seeing teams fall. It just happens to be Auburn this year. God helps us if a TCU or Boise ever make it to a MNC- They'll all be talking with cum spewing from there mouth.
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From the college folk here in Texas this is what I get.
Auburn is the middle brother( like a&m), we do ok sometime but for the most part of it were a middle tier team. Won our fair share but never made it to the big dance. 2004 a distance memory and most folk outside of Auburn couldn’t tell you what our record was that year. Last year we go all the way but with media hyped controversy (truth-Un-truth?) all they know is what they hear from the talking heads. Once again the SEC is in the limelight. We also had the two best players in the land and now they’re gone. If it wasn’t for them why are we struggling now? (Good point)
I try and explain (past 30 years-our record in the sec-etc) waste of my time.
Outside of the south-the rest of the media is tired of the SEC and enjoys seeing teams fall. It just happens to be Auburn this year. God helps us if a TCU or Boise ever make it to a MNC- They'll all be talking with cum spewing from there mouth.
I guess Auburn being #11 all time in both wins and winning % the last 30 years, ahead of bammer, is meaningless? Doing that in the SEC. The last 30 years in the SEC we are the #3 team in wins, winning %, and only UF has more SEC titles than Auburn over that time. We're in the top 1/4 of the top conference in the nation the last 30 years and we're nobody, an afterthought? Why? It all starts locally! Alabama hits the skids from 1981-2006 with one great year (like so many other also ran programs) and they're still "Alabama"? Auburn has dominated bammer for much of that time, and at worst been toe to toe with them, and we're irrelevant? It all starts with what pours out of the local press.
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From the college folk here in Texas this is what I get.
Auburn is the middle brother( like a&m), we do ok sometime but for the most part of it were a middle tier team. Won our fair share but never made it to the big dance. 2004 a distance memory and most folk outside of Auburn couldn’t tell you what our record was that year. Last year we go all the way but with media hyped controversy (truth-Un-truth?) all they know is what they hear from the talking heads. Once again the SEC is in the limelight. We also had the two best players in the land and now they’re gone. If it wasn’t for them why are we struggling now? (Good point)
I try and explain (past 30 years-our record in the sec-etc) waste of my time.
Outside of the south-the rest of the media is tired of the SEC and enjoys seeing teams fall. It just happens to be Auburn this year. God helps us if a TCU or Boise ever make it to a MNC- They'll all be talking with cum spewing from there mouth.
Oh, and for your idiot Texas friends:
1981-2010
Auburn: 255-104-5, 6 SECC, 3 Undefeated Seasons, 1 NC
Texas: 255-107-4, 3 Big 12 and 4 SWC Titles, 1 Undefeated Season, 1 NC.
I guess Texas just does ok sometimes too.
Like bammer, they use an era of football that ended with Royal's retirment in '76, to call themselves "the elite" of college football, and call programs like Auburn "middle brother".
Auburn is a top 15 program lifetime, and has surpassed many of the "all time elite" the last 30 years to become a top 10 program.
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It's becoming clear that me killing people is the best answer.
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Oh, and for your idiot Texas friends:
1981-2010
Auburn: 255-104-5, 6 SECC, 3 Undefeated Seasons, 1 NC
Texas: 255-107-4, 3 Big 12 and 4 SWC Titles, 1 Undefeated Season, 1 NC.
I guess Texas just does ok sometimes too.
Texas like the turds have the media hype.
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Texas like the turds have the media hype.
The media has the power to make you something you're not. :facepalm:
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I'm an irrational Auburn fan.
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The big talkers, listed below the one they talk shit about....
I-A Winning Percentage 1981-2010 (30 years)
(Teams not qualifying for the table are listed at the bottom)
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Rank Team name Win-Pct Won Lost Tied Games
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1 Nebraska 0.78175 295 82 1 378
2 Miami-Florida 0.77198 281 83 0 364
3 Florida State 0.75346 270 87 4 361
4 Florida 0.75067 278 91 4 373
5 Ohio State 0.75000 266 87 5 358
6 Oklahoma 0.72027 264 101 5 370
7 Michigan 0.71603 261 102 5 368
8 Penn State 0.71311 260 104 2 366
9 Tennessee 0.71024 260 104 7 371
10 Auburn 0.70742 255 104 5 364
11 Texas 0.70219 255 107 4 366
12 Georgia 0.69809 253 108 5 366
13 Brigham Young 0.69554 264 115 2 381
14 Southern Cal 0.68207 248 114 6 368
15 Virginia Tech 0.67906 245 115 3 363
16 Clemson 0.65789 235 121 5 361
17 Alabama 0.64857 226 122 2 350
18 West Virginia 0.64722 231 125 4 360
19 Texas A&M 0.64423 233 128 3 364
20 Fresno State 0.63896 233 131 3 367
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I'm a irrational ghey Auburn fan.
:thumsup:
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I'm not one to give a shit about accomplishments from 50 years ago, but why is the cutoff always 1981?
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I'm not one to give a shit about accomplishments from 50 years ago, but why is the cutoff always 1981?
It starts at when they started requiring face masks in college football.
And it has nothing to do with the Iron Bowl. Nobody said anything about the Iron Bowl....that year.
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I'm not one to give a shit about accomplishments from 50 years ago, but why is the cutoff always 1981?
Because most of us have finally wiped the memories of Doug Barfield from our brains.
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The big talkers, listed below the one they talk shit about....
I-A Winning Percentage 1981-2010 (30 years)
(Teams not qualifying for the table are listed at the bottom)
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Rank Team name Win-Pct Won Lost Tied Games
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1 Nebraska 0.78175 295 82 1 378
2 Miami-Florida 0.77198 281 83 0 364
3 Florida State 0.75346 270 87 4 361
4 Florida 0.75067 278 91 4 373
5 Ohio State 0.75000 266 87 5 358
6 Oklahoma 0.72027 264 101 5 370
7 Michigan 0.71603 261 102 5 368
8 Penn State 0.71311 260 104 2 366
9 Tennessee 0.71024 260 104 7 371
10 Auburn 0.70742 255 104 5 364
11 Texas 0.70219 255 107 4 366
12 Georgia 0.69809 253 108 5 366
13 Brigham Young 0.69554 264 115 2 381
14 Southern Cal 0.68207 248 114 6 368
15 Virginia Tech 0.67906 245 115 3 363
16 Clemson 0.65789 235 121 5 361
17 Alabama 0.64857 226 122 2 350
18 West Virginia 0.64722 231 125 4 360
19 Texas A&M 0.64423 233 128 3 364
20 Fresno State 0.63896 233 131 3 367
A couple kind of surprise me in BYU being as low as they are. Seems like they're always a 10+ win team dating back to the early 80' and that string of QB's they've had. And Fresno? Really?
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The media has the power to make you something you're not. :facepalm:
I don’t watch game day anymore. I do miss it; I couldn’t get enough information about upcoming games. I don’t remember when it happened, but it did. They went from reporting about games to spewing their own opinions about upcoming games and their loves and wanting to get pregnant by some coaches. What was it about four or five years ago Coach Lou said that this year ND would be the MNC-they went like 3 and 8 lost a bunch of folks and the following year he said the same thing. No one in the sports media called him on it. Kirks love for all things Ohio State and the big 10 is just bullshit. I bet he still says they make the mnc.
It’s like they only want certain teams to talk about and when somebody else comes along and kicks in the door and kick ass. They make up shit-don’t really do any investigating-report what the fuck they want. And you know what they can do that. Nothing can be done.
What would have been best for us was to come out this year and pound the shit out of everyone- I don't like the sports media-but it would be nice to have them on our side every now and then.
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I'm not one to give a shit about accomplishments from 50 years ago, but why is the cutoff always 1981?
1892-2011...it's the last 1/4 of the existence of Auburn and Alabama football. It was a turning point for Auburn as a program in that we started to reclaim an equal footing with bammer that we'd somewhat lost for period of time. It's an even number. Bammer had it's day the 25 years before that, but can't understand that day has long sense passed, and Auburn has been equal or better since. And, it's not like we were nothing before that, but bammer was having quite a run in the 60s and 70s, while Auburn quietly maintained it's top 15 status even in that shadow.
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1892-2011...it's the last 1/4 of the existence of Auburn and Alabama football. It was a turning point for Auburn as a program in that we started to reclaim an equal footing with bammer that we'd somewhat lost for period of time. It's an even number. Bammer had it's day the 25 years before that, but can't understand that day has long sense passed, and Auburn has been equal or better since. And, it's not like we were nothing before that, but bammer was having quite a run in the 60s and 70s, while Auburn quietly maintained it's top 15 status even in that shadow.
Oh, you thought I was serious. I already knew the answer.
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1892-2011...it's the last 1/4 of the existence of Auburn and Alabama football. It was a turning point for Auburn as a program in that we started to reclaim an equal footing with bammer that we'd somewhat lost for period of time. It's an even number. Bammer had it's day the 25 years before that, but can't understand that day has long sense passed, and Auburn has been equal or better since. And, it's not like we were nothing before that, but bammer was having quite a run in the 60s and 70s, while Auburn quietly maintained it's top 15 status even in that shadow.
Bama people want to get all bent out of shape and scream "Ya CAINT TAKE UHWAY WHUT THA BAAAAHR DONE!!"
And that's basically what we're conceding. We know he did what he did. For most of his 25 years we were in his and Alabama's shadow. We accept that, we acknowledge it and we deal with it. We loathe how the drunken bastard accomplished it, but that's not relevant to this discussion. Fact is we understand that with Bahr at the helm, Alabama was the better football program.
But it wasn't before he got there.
It hasn't been since he left.
That's the point.
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This whole thread is bullspit. I watched an episode of Crocodile Hunter where he tried to locate one of these "rational bammer fans". They were determined to be extinct!
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Bama people want to get all bent out of shape and scream "Ya CAINT TAKE UHWAY WHUT THA BAAAAHR DONE!!"
And that's basically what we're conceding. We know he did what he did. For most of his 25 years we were in his and Alabama's shadow. We accept that, we acknowledge it and we deal with it. We loathe how the drunken bastard accomplished it, but that's not relevant to this discussion. Fact is we understand that with Bahr at the helm, Alabama was the better football program.
But it wasn't before he got there.
It hasn't been since he left.
That's the point.
He weren't really serious, so my answer is mute, and thusingly so is you'r'n.
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This whole thread is bullspit. I watched an episode of Crocodile Hunter where he tried to locate one of these "rational bammer fans". They were determined to be extinct!
On Billy the Exterminator, they had two whole episodes last night on trapping gators. That is positively the dumbest, most obnoxious show....that I can't turn off.
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On Billy the Exterminator, they had two whole episodes last night on trapping gators. That is positively the dumbest, most obnoxious show....that I can't turn off.
I can absolutely turn it off! What a fucking bunch of MOE RONS!
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I can absolutely turn it off! What a fucking bunch of MOE RONS!
I know. But Billy's brother has cool hair.
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Talking to the one semi-rational bama fan I know. The one able to give credit (and blame) where it's due. The one not attached to Saban's dick (even though he does get an occasional taste).
This is what he says and what I suspect most loudmouth Tide fans suspect/fear:
If you guys had just a half ass defense, say one capable of holding people to 21 points, it's scary to think where you'd be right now.
You probably win the West or at least finish second in 2009. We don't win the BCS. You destroy everybody in 2010 and even with the loss of Cam and Nick you've got a legitimate chance to repeat this year. Definitely a Top Ten, Top 5 team.
You're sitting at 26-3, 27-2 since Chizik got there.
And then he dives off into bama speak
What's going to happen when Gus leaves and stops propping all that up, though. You think it's ugly now? Wait until you're giving up 40 a game and your offense falls off and you're only scoring in the 20s. You guys could go from 14-0 to 0-14 in two years.
Better hope you find a way to get that defense fixed. It's what Saban does and why we're Top Five every year.
How he said it may be condescending and assholish, but what he said is correct. Both parts. I fear like hell when Gus leaves. He has bailed us out of a lot of bad situations in games.
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How he said it may be condescending and assholish, but what he said is correct. Both parts. I fear like hell when Gus leaves. He has bailed us out of a lot of bad situations in games.
If you liked any of what you saw from Clemson Sat., Chad Morris would probably come to Auburn for what Gus is making, and he learned a lot of what he does from Gus.
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You think it's ugly now? Wait until you're giving up 40 a game
Season ain't over with yet. :sad:
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I know. But Billy's brother has cool hair.
His mom gives me gas. I fricking can not stand her voice, and her telephone etiquette is substandard. Every conversation she has on that goldanged cell phone irritates me to no end.
I do like to see Billy and Ricky fuck up a wasp nest though.
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You think it's ugly now? Wait until you're giving up 40 a game
Season ain't over with yet. :sad:
It's not as bad as it looks.
That's one thing I've learned about Auburn football.
But yeah, it's going to suck when we do put together a few decent games and then get blown out by someone. Similar to 2009. Let's be competitive for a while then be down 31-3 to LSU well before the game's over.
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I'm not one to give a shit about accomplishments from 50 years ago, but why is the cutoff always 1981?
Ive always defined the modern era as right at 30 years. Beyond that half of today's fans won't even relate to it. For me, it just happens that 30 years is 1981. Next year, I guess it will be 1982. Maybe a lot of Auburn fans use it because it was the beginning of the Dye era and getting our shit straight. Who knows.
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His mom gives me gas. I fricking can not stand her voice, and her telephone etiquette is substandard. Every conversation she has on that goldanged cell phone irritates me to no end.
I do like to see Billy and Ricky fuck up a wasp nest though.
And don't forget - they remind you everytime they go near a wasp nest that Ricky is allergic to them and they must always have the EpiPen nearby.
Ricky looks like he's been through the ringer.
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And don't forget - they remind you everytime they go near a wasp nest that Ricky is allergic to them and they must always have the EpiPen nearby.
Ricky looks like he's been through the ringer.
You can kill anything with the oil from the crushed crysanthemum(sp?) flower.
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You can kill anything with the oil from the crushed crysanthemum(sp?) flower.
We use U gentle oils. Its great for the enviroment. Wasps hate it but its virtually harmless to humans. Watch Ricky spray em. Those things are mad now.
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And don't forget - they remind you everytime they go near a wasp nest that Ricky is allergic to them and they must always have the EpiPen nearby.
Ricky looks like he's been through the ringer.
We lost the 81 Iron Bowl, so if we were just arbitrarily picking a timeline in which we really started turning our shit around, we'd start with 82 regardless.
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We lost the 81 Iron Bowl, so if we were just arbitrarily picking a timeline in which we really started turning our shit around, we'd start with 82 regardless.
I think you used the wrong post of mine to respond to. Keep up. Iron Bowl of 81 is so 9 am. We're talking about the rednecks on Billy the Exterminator this hour. :thumsup:
Kidding...
But to your point, 81 is always the year I remember that Auburn got their shit together. I believe we went 5-6 under Dye that first year, but you could tell those guys fought in every game. Dye even told them I think, after the Tenn game, that if they kept fighting the way they were doing, they would win a LOT of ballgames the next year, and the next year and so on. And they did. You could tell things were changing.
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I think you used the wrong post of mine to respond to. Keep up. Iron Bowl of 81 is so 9 am. We're talking about the rednecks on Billy the Exterminator this hour. :thumsup:
Kidding...
But to your point, 81 is always the year I remember that Auburn got their shit together. I believe we went 5-6 under Dye that first year, but you could tell those guys fought in every game. Dye even told them I think, after the Tenn game, that if they kept fighting the way they were doing, they would win a LOT of ballgames the next year, and the next year and so on. And they did. You could tell things were changing.
Yeah, I don't give a shit about when we broke that streak. The attitude that facilitated the '82 IB win began when Dye arrived in 81.
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Yeah, I don't give a shit about when we broke that streak. The attitude that facilitated the '82 IB win began when Dye arrived in 81.
Just sayin, Token saying we cherry picked 81 for W/L records, or Iron Bowl records doesn't make sense since we were 5-6 and lost the Iron Bowl.
If we can get out of this season with a winning record and God willing, an Iron Bowl victory, next year's 30 year retrospective will be more flattering.
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Just sayin, Token saying we cherry picked 81 for W/L records, or Iron Bowl records doesn't make sense since we were 5-6 and lost the Iron Bowl.
If we can get out of this season with a winning record and God willing, an Iron Bowl victory, next year's 30 year retrospective will be more flattering.
I didn't say it, JR did. Then Kaos solidified what I was hinting at. What's the point in waiting until the end of Alabama's dominance to start keeping "relevant" records? If you're going back 30 years, why not 40?
Seems to me it would make more sense, when speaking of relevance, to go back 10 years. Even then, who really gives a shit about what happened in 2001? We barely give a shit about what happened 2 years ago.
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I didn't say it, JR did. Then Kaos solidified what I was hinting at. What's the point in waiting until the end of Alabama's dominance to start keeping "relevant" records? If you're going back 30 years, why not 40?
Seems to me it would make more sense, when speaking of relevance, to go back 10 years. Even then, who really gives a shit about what happened in 2001? We barely give a shit about what happened 2 years ago.
My God man, don't you know 30 years is the standard when measuring relevance?
Bottom line, Bear Bryant kicked Auburn's and all of college football's collective asses for quite a while. As an "old" guy, I can tell you that I sat in Legion Field for just about every one of those games during that losing streak. Not once did I ever go in there thinking we really had a great chance to win with the exception of the 73' game. I hoped..but I knew it probably wouldn't happen. They were just that damn good and everything seemed to go their way. Exit Bear stage left and the playing field tilted back towards the center. Enter Pat Dye and the last 30 years have been waaayyyy more good times than bad.
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I didn't say it, JR did. Then Kaos solidified what I was hinting at. What's the point in waiting until the end of Alabama's dominance to start keeping "relevant" records? If you're going back 30 years, why not 40?
Seems to me it would make more sense, when speaking of relevance, to go back 10 years. Even then, who really gives a shit about what happened in 2001? We barely give a shit about what happened 2 years ago.
More to the point...bammers don't really give a shit about anything that actually happened, only what they want to say happened. Like claiming to be the dominant program in the state when they can't dominate Auburn. Just say it enough, get Finebaum to write articles about it in SI, and it becomes true.
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My God man, don't you know 30 years is the standard when measuring relevance?
Bottom line, Bear Bryant kicked Auburn's and all of college football's collective asses for quite a while. As an "old" guy, I can tell you that I sat in Legion Field for just about every one of those games during that losing streak. Not once did I ever go in there thinking we really had a great chance to win with the exception of the 73' game. I hoped..but I knew it probably wouldn't happen. They were just that damn good and everything seemed to go their way. Exit Bear stage left and the playing field tilted back towards the center. Enter Pat Dye and the last 30 years have been waaayyyy more good times than bad.
In that series, over that span, the only two that really gnaw at me are 84 and 85. Should have won both of those with ease. Good Auburn teams against shitty Bama teams.
Kick a FG in 1984 and we win. Nope. Tried to show off and go for it with some trickerooskie on fourth and one.
Keep the fucker in bounds in 1985 and we win. Nope. He got away.
Win those two? We answer their nine-game string with an eight-game blast. It would have evened up a shitload of attitudes and made a difference in a ton of things today.