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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: JR4AU on September 10, 2011, 05:29:47 PM
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ROOF HAS TO GO NOW!
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Not going to happen any time soon.
One thing overlooked is that we've won 17 straight games with Ted Roof. I know it's frustrating and gives everyone a heart attack each week, but we haven't lost in a long time.
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Not going to happen any time soon.
One thing overlooked is that we've won 17 straight games with Ted Roof. I know it's frustrating and gives everyone a heart attack each week, but we haven't lost in a long time.
And when Ark., LSU, or whoever beats us 42 21, folks will bitch about shitty Off. playcalling.
:facepalm:
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And when Ark., LSU, or whoever beats us 42 21, folks will bitch about shitty Off. playcalling.
:facepalm:
How bout re-printing that Bloody Mary recipe...yeah we can't tackle. Fire 'em all then fire yourself Gene.
War Eagle!
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And when Ark., LSU, or whoever beats us 42 21, folks will bitch about shitty Off. playcalling.
:facepalm:
Nobody will beat us bad, we will score with any team.
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Nobody will beat us bad, we will score with any team.
We seem to make enough key stops to make it work. We tackle poorly. That's pretty evident. But we win.
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:facepalm: @ this thread.
The game winning goal line stand wasn't enough to save him his job in the middle of the season? Come on, dude. This thread last week made sense. This week, it does not.
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I saw one tackle that mattered.
"All we do is win, win, win, NO MATTER WHAT..."
So, y'all still think I'm drunk?
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:facepalm: @ this thread.
The game winning goal line stand wasn't enough to save him his job in the middle of the season? Come on, dude. This thread last week made sense. This week, it does not.
Roof is to me as Tony Franklin is to Kaos.
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Roof is to me as Tony Franklin is to Kaos.
Wow, thats a big statement to make JR.
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Wow, thats a big statement to make JR.
Took me 2 years and 2 games to get there, but I'm there.
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He is a mediocre at best defensive coordinator. That's just a fact.
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defense doesn't win championships...
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He is a mediocre at best defensive coordinator. That's just a fact.
'Bout Gawd damned time some rational being stepped to my defense. And a fucking lawyer too, wait....what?
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I saw one tackle that mattered.
"All we do is win, win, win, NO MATTER WHAT..."
So, y'all still think I'm drunk?
No. You've shown many times that you can be this obnoxious even when sober.
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'Bout Gawd damned time some rational being stepped to my defense. And a fucking lawyer too, wait....what?
I'm not saying we should fire him tomorrow... I'm just saying he is average at best as a defensive coordinator.
He needs to scheme better, play man coverage, more blitzes, etc...
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I'm not saying we should fire him tomorrow... I'm just saying he is average at best as a defensive coordinator.
He needs to scheme better, play man coverage, more blitzes, etc...
THIS!
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I barely watched any of the game, so I can't say anything about players out of position or piss poor tackles, but I did look at the box score.
MSU
First Downs -- 31
3rd -- 11-20
Total yards -- 531
Pass yards -- 198
Rush yards -- 333
Holy shit. Last week, I was surprised when Auburn came back from 10 down in the final 3 minutes to win the game. This week, I'm shocked that Auburn didn't lose with MSU putting up those numbers. ANYTIME you give up 300+ yards rushing, you lose. Unless Malzhan is your OC. But holy fuck, that's crazy.
Anyway, congrats. I expected AU to lose this one.
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He is a mediocre at best defensive coordinator. That's just a fact.
Undfortunately this is a truth. You score over 40 points two weeks in a row and barely win, defense has issues. With all of the excellent talent that has been signed, I can't believe it is a talent issue.
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I'm not saying we should fire him tomorrow... I'm just saying he is average at best as a defensive coordinator.
He needs to scheme better, play man coverage, more blitzes, etc...
100% agreeance.
I'm not saying he's Chizik-as-a-DC level, I'm just sayin that defensive performance was a huge improvement over last week. Now's not the week to be saying we should fire him mid-season.
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100% agreeance.
I'm not saying he's Chizik-as-a-DC level, I'm just sayin that defensive performance was a huge improvement over last week. Now's not the week to be saying we should fire him mid-season.
If you look at two years at Iowa State and two years and two games here? Chizik isn't producing Chizik-as-a-DC level results.
Again, I'm not bitching because the fucking defense was on the field 92 plays. some of that was their fault. But when you need the offense to get one fucking first down to drain the clock and they go three and out and use up less than a fucking minute? Shit.
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Offensive Plays:
MSU - 93
AU - 54
That's almost a 40 play swing with a defense that's still fucking wet behind the ears. What does the arrogant fucking prick mullen like to run? Dives, Misdirections, up the gut type runs with a sledgehammer at RB and a sledgehammer at QB...then he runs the option with LaDarius Perkins (former Auburn commit)...then he goes back to the gut runs. All this after our Offense has gone three and out twice in a row. When we have them at 3rd and 11 (passing situations), they run a misdirection QB up the Gut with their 6'4" 245lb sledgehammer. If MSU had taken Auburn to OT, Auburn would've probably lost the game.
LSU & uat will crush MSU, because MSU Offensive style plays right into both of those team's strengths. Auburn is not strong in the front four, yet..they will be eventually (probably taked another year). Which is why I stated that our run defense isn't going to be great.
We will lose games due to that fact. For everyone saying that Auburn is going to go 7-5/8-4 how do you see Auburn losing those games? I tell you one way we wont lose those games and that will be lack of effort, this team will fight until the final whistle. The Defense will continue to grow, as they grow they'll continue to get better and they'll continue to get stronger the longer they play together as one unit. This is not the final product on Defense or Offense....and yes the Offense affects the Defense and vice-versa.
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Offensive Plays:
MSU - 93
AU - 54
That's almost a 40 play swing with a defense that's still fucking wet behind the ears. What does the arrogant fucking prick mullen like to run? Dives, Misdirections, up the gut type runs with a sledgehammer at RB and a sledgehammer at QB...then he runs the option with LaDarius Perkins (former Auburn commit)...then he goes back to the gut runs. All this after our Offense has gone three and out twice in a row. When we have them at 3rd and 11 (passing situations), they run a misdirection QB up the Gut with their 6'4" 245lb sledgehammer. If MSU had taken Auburn to OT, Auburn would've probably lost the game.
LSU & uat will crush MSU, because MSU Offensive style plays right into both of those team's strengths. Auburn is not strong in the front four, yet..they will be eventually (probably taked another year). Which is why I stated that our run defense isn't going to be great.
We will lose games due to that fact. For everyone saying that Auburn is going to go 7-5/8-4 how do you see Auburn losing those games? I tell you one way we wont lose those games and that will be lack of effort, this team will fight until the final whistle. The Defense will continue to grow, as they grow they'll continue to get better and they'll continue to get stronger the longer they play together as one unit. This is not the final product on Defense or Offense....and yes the Offense affects the Defense and vice-versa.
This^^^^^^and Fuck Mullen's punk ass.
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Beano said Mississippi State would win the Big Ten but since they're in the SEC they're going to lose four conference games.
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Beano said Mississippi State would win the Big Ten but since they're in the SEC they're going to lose four conference games.
Beano is correct.
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Roof is to me as Tony Franklin is to every Auburn fan but JR Kaos.
FIXT
Fuck Otis the drunk.
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FIXT
Fuck Otis the drunk.
Whatevah!
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I saw something different Saturday. I saw a DL that was not getting pushed around and LB's that were starting to make plays. When you do not have a Fairley (as most do not) then the job of the DL is to clog holes and allow LB's to make plays.
I feel much better about the defense than what I did a week ago.
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I saw something different Saturday. I saw a DL that was not getting pushed around and LB's that were starting to make plays. When you do not have a Fairley (as most do not) then the job of the DL is to clog holes and allow LB's to make plays.
I feel much better about the defense than what I did a week ago.
It was most definitely a better effort and showing.
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The biggest concern I had after the game was the 3rd down defense. Most teams on 3rd and long will dial up a nice blitz...I may have seen a blitz once or twice, and there were quite a few 3rd and long situations. I'm not sure if that is the coordinator scared to see his young'ns give up the big play or just piss poor game management.
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It still bothered me that our DE's (or end person on the line) is not coming up and making the qb pitch and subsequently pay the price for running an option. That is a free opportunity to knock the fuck out of the qb and get him hearing footsteps the rest of the day.
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It still bothered me that our DE's (or end person on the line) is not coming up and making the qb pitch and subsequently pay the price for running an option. That is a free opportunity to knock the fuck out of the qb and get him hearing footsteps the rest of the day.
This. They danced with Relf all day on the option and never covered the pitch man.
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This. They danced with Relf all day on the option and never covered the pitch man.
That's not their job. On an option their job is to dance with Relf. To stay inside him and force him down the line. They're not supposed to give ground and are supposed to work laterally down the line and force Relf to either pitch or cut back into their tackle, but they're not supposed to bull rush and hit him in the mouth. It's all about decisions.
Relf's job is to read the DE. If they drift to his outside toward the pitch, he's supposed to funnel back inside where there will be an open lane. If they stay in containment he's supposed to make the pitch.
I haven't seen film obviously, but I think the frustration with the DEs is misplaced. They were supposed to have outside support from a LB or a safety. I don't think we got that.
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They were supposed to have outside support from a LB or a safety. I don't think we got that.
Our LB's are getting pushed around a good bit. I do see Sanis point though. The DE does cover the QB and it is a free shot to get the QB thinking.
I seriously wish the coaches would put Craig Sanders out OLB.
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Our LB's are getting pushed around a good bit. I do see Sanis point though. The DE does cover the QB and it is a free shot to get the QB thinking.
I seriously wish the coaches would put Craig Sanders out OLB.
You don't have a free shot. That's what I'm saying. If you're the DE covering the QB and you lunge upfield to take your shot, you've fucked the caboose right then and there. The only way you can do that is if you know for 10000% certain that you've got somebody (or two somebodies) covering the pitch guy and know for 90% sure that the DE on the other side is pursuing backside and no deeper than the deepest back to nullify the potential for a sneaky reverse type pitch to a WR.
Goal is to work down the line of scrimmage, not give ground and string it out. At least that's the way I learned it.
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I guess the original point though was if the end is responsible for stringing the play toward the sideline..and hopefully someone is coming up for the pitch man....then the DE should always at least give the QB a shot in the chops once the QB commits either way.
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That's not their job. On an option their job is to dance with Relf. To stay inside him and force him down the line. They're not supposed to give ground and are supposed to work laterally down the line and force Relf to either pitch or cut back into their tackle, but they're not supposed to bull rush and hit him in the mouth. It's all about decisions.
Relf's job is to read the DE. If they drift to his outside toward the pitch, he's supposed to funnel back inside where there will be an open lane. If they stay in containment he's supposed to make the pitch.
I haven't seen film obviously, but I think the frustration with the DEs is misplaced. They were supposed to have outside support from a LB or a safety. I don't think we got that.
I dont like the way the DEs were coached to play the option.
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http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31921524
Stat of the week
If I had to take someone to Vegas with me, I just might select Gene Chizik. All he seems to do is give heart attack to the Auburn faithful and win last second games. The Tigers pulled off the upset this week against Mississippi State thanks to a goal line stand that kept quarterback Chris Relf out of the end zone by inches to preserve a 41-34 win at home.
"We'd prefer to win football games a lot different than we are, but there's something to be said when you can fight down to the end when it doesn't look good and still win the game," Chizik said after the game.
While the head coach certainly would prefer a less stressful ending to games, he might need to get used to them if his team is to keep winning. After taking nearly two hours just to play the first half against the Bulldogs, I was digging around looking for the total game time but managed to find an even more eye-popping stat.
Auburn's offense has averaged 56.5 plays during their first two games while the defense has averaged 90.5 snaps per game. Yes, the defense is almost literally on the field twice as long the offense. For a young team with issues on both sides of the ball, that's an uh-oh.
For comparison's sake, Arkansas has averaged 74.5 plays on offense and 57.5 on defense during their light non-conference schedule. Only two SEC teams have average more than 70 snaps on defense, and just six teams nationally have their defense on the field for more than 80 plays a game. No one even approaches 90 defensive plays a game. The national average for number of plays on defense is 67.3 and 68.8 on offense.
Up against that little issue, it's almost shocking Auburn's 2-0 but they are thanks to some late game heroics. Whether this is a serious flaw of just the byproduct of two crazy games remains to be seen but, bottom-line, Chizik needs to make some adjustments.
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Hell maybe I was taught wrong but back in the olden days of my ball playing days, If I read option I closed down the line as quickly as I could, made the pitch happen before it was supposed to and made the qb pay for it. Maybe the difference is that I had a guy playing corner on my side that I knew would have the pitch man. We would only have folks try to option our side a couple of time a game because they payed the price if they did.
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90 plays? Fuck me.
These youngsters are going to get a season and a half's worth of experience this year. I guess that's the silver lining.
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Hell maybe I was taught wrong but back in the olden days of my ball playing days, If I read option I closed down the line as quickly as I could, made the pitch happen before it was supposed to and made the qb pay for it. Maybe the difference is that I had a guy playing corner on my side that I knew would have the pitch man. We would only have folks try to option our side a couple of time a game because they payed the price if they did.
Yeah, you're supposed to make the QB commit and close on him at the pitch. I just know we always taught ours to stay parallel to the line of scrimmage until somebody blinked. Keep pushing them toward the boundary.
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Yeah, you're supposed to make the QB commit and close on him at the pitch. I just know we always taught ours to stay parallel to the line of scrimmage until somebody blinked. Keep pushing them toward the boundary.
What's funny is that usually after the first time they ran option our side the QB would quick pitch from then on and it would be smear the queer with the poor tb.
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As much as I'm not a Buddy Ryan or Jets fan, I love to watch those guys play defense. You never get the same look and you never know who or what is coming. It's just in your face every play and try to guess who we bringin'.
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Yeah, you're supposed to make the QB commit and close on him at the pitch. I just know we always taught ours to stay parallel to the line of scrimmage until somebody blinked. Keep pushing them toward the boundary.
I see your point. I'm just thinking that if a DE is on the QB's back hip, he can still put his ass in the dirt after the pitch without a flag. As far as assignments, you are spot on. If the D is following his assignments, that gives them that free shot. I kind of wonder if our DE's are concerned if they're gonna have any back up from the LB's or not.
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I haven't seen film obviously, but I think the frustration with the DEs is misplaced. They were supposed to have outside support from a LB or a safety. I don't think we got that.
They were blocking the shit out of our LB's and CB's. We actually had the players in position, to cover the QB it was the outside pitch that no one was around.
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Is Roof still here?
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Another thing with somewhat inexperienced players, they have a difficult time telling the coaches what they see or what they saw during a certain play....like a busted coverage or blown open holes where the linebacker should have been, etc.
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I see your point. I'm just thinking that if a DE is on the QB's back hip, he can still put his ass in the dirt after the pitch without a flag. As far as assignments, you are spot on. If the D is following his assignments, that gives them that free shot. I kind of wonder if our DE's are concerned if they're gonna have any back up from the LB's or not.
After he pitches the DE better be humping his ass down the line in pursuit of the pitchman in case the DB/LB makes him cut it back inside. At least that's the way we were taught.
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If coach had put me in, we would've took state. I would've went pro, signed a big contract. Back in the day, I used to could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.
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