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Title: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AUChizad on August 02, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
http://www.woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7756 :muttley:

Love that all these kids are getting processed for "breaking undisclosed team rules", and bammers everywhere are thumping their chests about how Saban only allows men of utmost character on the team.

Then he goes out and recruits basically a known child molester to replace them.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 09:44:34 AM
Child molester?

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 02, 2011, 09:47:56 AM
Child molester?

 :facepalm:

I'll take The Rapist for $100, Alex.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AUJarhead on August 02, 2011, 09:54:38 AM
I'll take The Rapist for $100, Alex.

Well, the game is afoot. I'll take anal bum cover for 7,000.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AUChizad on August 02, 2011, 09:57:03 AM
Child molester?

 :facepalm:
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Baton Rouge - Redemptorist All-State running back and LSU recruit Jeremy Hill was arrested Wednesday and charged with oral sexual battery of a 14-year-old girl, according to a Baton Rouge City Police release.

Hill, 18, and another Redemptorist student, Avery Tate, 18, are accused of pressuring the girl into performing oral sex in the Redemptorist boys locker room on Dec. 7, 2010.

The incident was reported to the school administration Jan. 4. Both suspects were in the process of being booked into East Baton Rouge Parish Prison on Wednesday.

Hill is rated as a four-star player by Rivals.com. He rushed for 2,203 yards and 36 touchdowns to help the Wolves to an 11-2 record and a berth in the Class 3A quarterfinals.
Would you prefer the term "14-year-old face rapist"?
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 09:57:41 AM
I realize there's a interwebz war being waged between UA and AU right now.  I can respect the fact that this story is more fodder for the arsenal, but if any of you people really believe that a senior getting a blowjob from a freshman is rape....or child molestation, then I'm questioning the reasoning ability of you people. 

And for the record, I do not believe it to be possible for someone to be made to give a blow job.  Daddy's little girl got caught talking about sucking and needed an out. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: CCTAU on August 02, 2011, 10:02:57 AM
It was spiritual. She needed redemption?
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 10:07:21 AM


And for the record, I do not believe it to be possible for someone to be made to give a blow job.  Daddy's little girl got caught talking about sucking and needed an out.

This is inaccurate. 

9th graders are highly impressionable and emotionally unstable.  If she gave the slightest sign of being uncomfortable with the sexual act and the older students used any means of persuasion, coercion, or manipulation, then it's a crime. 

Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 10:14:57 AM
I couldn't even get a BJ from a senior when I was a senior.  Guy or gal.  Damn, things have changed.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Saniflush on August 02, 2011, 10:18:13 AM
I couldn't even get a BJ from a senior when I was a senior.  Guy or gal.  Damn, things have changed.

And now that you are a senior again (AARP) you still can't get one.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 10:19:55 AM
This is inaccurate. 

9th graders are highly impressionable and emotionally unstable.  If she gave the slightest sign of being uncomfortable with the sexual act and the older students used any means of persuasion, coercion, or manipulation, then it's a crime.

9th graders are highly impressionable and emotionally unstable?  Says who?  Dr. Phil?

Did they force her into the locker room?  Probably not.  She did what she went in there to do, people started talking about it, and daddy found out. 

And this isn't a UA vs AU thing for me.  I see this shit every day and I'm sick to death of it.  Kids are getting started a lot earlier than they did 10 years ago.  The only people who can't deal with it are the parents who act shocked when they don't supervise their children and find them sucking dick or sending naked pictures through their phone that they don't need to begin with.


Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Kaos on August 02, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
I realize there's a interwebz war being waged between UA and AU right now.  I can respect the fact that this story is more fodder for the arsenal, but if any of you people really believe that a senior getting a blowjob from a freshman is rape....or child molestation, then I'm questioning the reasoning ability of you people. 

And for the record, I do not believe it to be possible for someone to be made to give a blow job.  Daddy's little girl got caught talking about sucking and needed an out.

This is the worst response I've ever seen from anybody.  It's worse than Updyke's fit. 

I pray you were kidding because if not, this absolutely disgusts me. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
I couldn't even get a BJ from a senior when I was a senior.  Guy or gal.  Damn, things have changed.

Go back to school.  There is a prominent highschool in my area where it was learned that 9th grade girls had to give 3 blowjobs, with photographic proof, to make the cheerleading squad.  Per the Senior cheerleaders.  The recipients of the said blowjobs?  You guessed it.  Senior football players. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: JR4AU on August 02, 2011, 10:26:08 AM
I realize there's a interwebz war being waged between UA and AU right now.  I can respect the fact that this story is more fodder for the arsenal, but if any of you people really believe that a senior getting a blowjob from a freshman is rape....or child molestation, then I'm questioning the reasoning ability of you people. 

And for the record, I do not believe it to be possible for someone to be made to give a blow job.  Daddy's little girl got caught talking about sucking and needed an out.

18 on 14...that's the law.  Right and just to be applied across the board in all situations?  Meh, you can debate it.  Did she consent?  Probably.  The law says she isn't capable of forming consent.  Is this the same as an old man doing little girls or boys?  Not even, but, it's against the law. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 10:27:58 AM
I have no idea what really happened in this particular incident but I will say that even several years ago, my BIL (Yes, a BIL story) said that if girls weren't schlobbing the knob by 9th grade at his school, they were pretty much outcasts.  He said his players just talked about it openly as if they had to stop by their locker on the way to practice and get something.  Sorry I'm late coach, but Melissa was....
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 10:30:28 AM
18 on 14...that's the law.  Right and just to be applied across the board in all situations?  Meh, you can debate it.  Did she consent?  Probably.  The law says she isn't capable of forming consent.  Is this the same as an old man doing little girls or boys?  Not even, but, it's against the law.

I realize it can be debated for the next 25 pages, but IMO, it's bullshit.  I have a serious problem with this law, and fortunately for me, I don't have to work in that field.  Otherwise I'd go back to Honda and be a grunt.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 10:31:47 AM
I realize it can be debated for the next 25 pages, but IMO, it's bullshit.  I have a serious problem with this law, and fortunately for me, I don't have to work in that field.  Otherwise I'd go back to Honda and be a grunt.

Why do you hate American made?
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: JR4AU on August 02, 2011, 10:33:02 AM
I have no idea what really happened in this particular incident but I will say that even several years ago, my BIL (Yes, a BIL story) said that if girls weren't schlobbing the knob by 9th grade at his school, they were pretty much outcasts.  He said his players just talked about it openly as if they had to stop by their locker on the way to practice and get something.  Sorry I'm late coach, but Melissa was....

Based on the number of similar type cases I work...I'd have to concur.  It's not only how much easier it is to get a BJ or laid than it was in my day, but girls seem to be jumping at the chance to have their pics or vids made while doing it. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 10:33:36 AM
I have no idea what really happened in this particular incident but I will say that even several years ago, my BIL (Yes, a BIL story) said that if girls weren't schlobbing the knob by 9th grade at his school, they were pretty much outcasts.  He said his players just talked about it openly as if they had to stop by their locker on the way to practice and get something.  Sorry I'm late coach, but Melissa was....

And as long as darling Melissa isn't a white girl from a well off family, and star running back isn't a black guy, all is well. 

I'll leave it at that.  I'm certain some of you have teenage daughters and I'm not trying to make anything personal, I just see this shit a lot and it's always the same thing.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: JR4AU on August 02, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
I realize it can be debated for the next 25 pages, but IMO, it's bullshit.  I have a serious problem with this law, and fortunately for me, I don't have to work in that field.  Otherwise I'd go back to Honda and be a grunt.

Do you have kids?  My daughter is 14.  I'd have to disagree with your stance.   

If an 18 yr old is trying to get in my daughter's pants, it's because he's using her age and inexperience at such pressuring against her, and because he can't get any from girls remotely close to his age.  If an 18 year old can't score pussy that's of legal age, he's got a problem and is picking on weaker girls. 

Are there a few 14 year old girls out there giving it away, advertising it, wanting it too?  Sure, but they're not the norm, though there seems to be more now days than in my day.  If your 18, you better know what's what...and in my experience, from statements they all give...they fucking know.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 10:40:13 AM
Based on the number of similar type cases I work...I'd have to concur.  It's not only how much easier it is to get a BJ or laid than it was in my day, but girls seem to be jumping at the chance to have their pics or vids made while doing it.

But the repercussions are still the same as when it was in your day.

Yes, Token.  9th graders are highly fragile.  We deal with this every year with multiple girls.  They start getting involved sexually, and it damages their ability in the classroom.  It damages their personal life. 

Our counseling center is flooded every year with 9th and 10th grade girls who have recently had sex or performed oral sex. 

And again - 9th graders are highly impressionable.  Especially when they're at a high school with juniors and seniors.

A senior convinces a girl she'll be "cool" if she sucks his dick when in fact he doesn't care about her at all.  The difference in maturity between a senior and a freshman is a chasm.  Mentally, physically, and psychologically, a 9th grader is a mere child compared to the senior who is soon to go off to college. 

By no means can you convince me that the senior is in "love" with his 14 year old girlfriend.  That it's a sacred, intimate moment shared between two consenting people. 

A 9th grade girl is incapable of understanding the slightest notion of intimacy.  She just wants to be accepted and popular.

If you think acceptance and a desire to be popular qualify as coherent consent, then congratulations.  You're contributing to the moral depravity of our society. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: JR4AU on August 02, 2011, 10:56:32 AM
But the repercussions are still the same as when it was in your day.

Yes, Token.  9th graders are highly fragile.  We deal with this every year with multiple girls.  They start getting involved sexually, and it damages their ability in the classroom.  It damages their personal life. 

Our counseling center is flooded every year with 9th and 10th grade girls who have recently had sex or performed oral sex. 

And again - 9th graders are highly impressionable.  Especially when they're at a high school with juniors and seniors.

A senior convinces a girl she'll be "cool" if she sucks his dick when in fact he doesn't care about her at all.  The difference in maturity between a senior and a freshman is a chasm.  Mentally, physically, and psychologically, a 9th grader is a mere child compared to the senior who is soon to go off to college. 

By no means can you convince me that the senior is in "love" with his 14 year old girlfriend.  That it's a sacred, intimate moment shared between two consenting people. 

A 9th grade girl is incapable of understanding the slightest notion of intimacy.  She just wants to be accepted and popular.

If you think acceptance and a desire to be popular qualify as coherent consent, then congratulations.  You're contributing to the moral depravity of our society.

Agree.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 11:00:33 AM
I realize there's a interwebz war being waged between UA and AU right now.  I can respect the fact that this story is more fodder for the arsenal, but if any of you people really believe that a senior getting a blowjob from a freshman is rape....or child molestation, then I'm questioning the reasoning ability of you people. 

And for the record, I do not believe it to be possible for someone to be made to give a blow job.  Daddy's little girl got caught talking about sucking and needed an out.
Who are you calling "you people"?
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 11:02:18 AM
Based on the number of similar type cases I work...I'd have to concur.  It's not only how much easier it is to get a BJ or laid than it was in my day, but girls seem to be jumping at the chance to have their pics or vids made while doing it.
and I say God Bless'em
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
Where is Uncle Sani, he knows these laws in and out.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AWK on August 02, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Where is Uncle Sani, he knows these laws in and out.
Old Barrister Sani!
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: djsimp on August 02, 2011, 11:13:06 AM
I can tell you, my oldest daughter is only 5 and I can tell you that the law is not the worse thing some 18 yr (or any age for that matter) dipshit should fear. This daddy right here has a wild imagination and can surely change the course of life for said dipshit. Not to mention, my two little girls will have a whole lotta big sombitches that look out for them.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 11:15:35 AM


If you think acceptance and a desire to be popular qualify as coherent consent, then congratulations.  You're contributing to the moral depravity of our society.

And if you think charging an 18 year old with a sex crime and having him register for the rest of his life because some emotionally unstable 14 year wanted to be accepted, congratulations.  You're contributing to the demise of the judicial system and are simultaneously costing tax payers millions of dollars because of a blow job.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 11:18:12 AM
And if you think charging an 18 year old with a sex crime and having him register for the rest of his life because some emotionally unstable 14 year wanted to be accepted, congratulations.  You're contributing to the demise of the judicial system and are simultaneously costing tax payers millions of dollars because of a blow job.
Snaggle sees your millions and offers billions, just for someone to blow on it.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
And if you think charging an 18 year old with a sex crime and having him register for the rest of his life because some emotionally unstable 14 year wanted to be accepted, congratulations.  You're contributing to the demise of the judicial system and are simultaneously costing tax payers millions of dollars because of a blow job.

Well that's a straw man if I've ever seen one. 

So you're admitting that it's 100% a sex crime.  Correct? 

And if so, how would you have the judicial system handle it? 

Remember, we're not just talking about punishing an 18 year old for getting a blow job.  We're talking about an 18 year old enabling psychological instability in another human being. 

Your point is a slippery slope.  What other crimes do you deem too insignificant to be addressed by the judicial system? 

Would you agree to vigilantes taking care of sex offenders? 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: JR4AU on August 02, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
And if you think charging an 18 year old with a sex crime and having him register for the rest of his life because some emotionally unstable 14 year wanted to be accepted, congratulations.  You're contributing to the demise of the judicial system and are simultaneously costing tax payers millions of dollars because of a blow job.

Should they be branded the same way we brand "real child molesters"?  No.  That part of the law is all fucked up.  Should it be legal for an 18 year old to mentally/emotionally coerce 14 year old chicks to have sex?  No.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AUChizad on August 02, 2011, 11:32:38 AM
First of all, it was enough to get him kicked off the LSU team.

And he should have been.

To me, there's a world of difference between an 18 year old getting busted for participating in consensual sex (oral or otherwise) with his 16 or 17 year old girlfriend, and forcing a 14 year old through "oral sexual battery".

Like Townhall said there is a chasm in the maturity level between a 14 year old and an 18 year old. Same with a 17 and a 13 year old.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
I'm sorry, what?  Did someone say millions?

I see both sides of this argument. My daughter is now 20 so I guess she can give all the schlobbers she wants.  In the environment she grew up in as far as school and people she hung with, I never had many worries about that.  Not being naive, she just wasn't "boy crazy" and focused more on dance etc. than dating. 

This law however, is a joke.  I fully undersatnd the need to protect young and impressionable yutes.  But, times they have a changed and kids nowadays are far, far more knowledgable and active than we were.  Not saying it's right but that's the way it is.  At the time I was at Jeff Davis, it was 10-12 and was the largest high school in the State at that time.  About 2,400 students.  If you were dating someone and sexually active, that was one thing.  But as far as the number of girls who you pretty much knew they would....you know..do it...you could count on one hand. Not the case anymore.

If an 18 year old hooks up with a 15 year old, he/she shouldn't have to pay for it the rest of their life. You have to be able to make a distiction between what's consensual and what's out of bounds.  Not some cut and dried age rule.   
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 11:34:23 AM
Should they be branded the same way we brand "real child molesters"?  No.  That part of the law is all fucked up.  Should it be legal for an 18 year old to mentally/emotionally coerce 14 year old chicks to have sex?  No.

I agree with this.  No need to make his register as a sex offender unless he actually held her down and forced himself into her. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
Y'all are makin Sani excited
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 11:43:51 AM
Well that's a straw man if I've ever seen one. 

Hell, after your authoritarian statements made about the emotional state of all 9th grade females, I thought fallacies were cool in this argument.

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So you're admitting that it's 100% a sex crime.  Correct?

Uh, yes.

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And if so, how would you have the judicial system handle it?

If you're asking "how will the system handle it?" I'd say it rocks for a while, and if he makes the NFL, the family will take a payoff.  If he doesn't, he'll end up being charged, being registered and will probably not spend any time in jail whatsoever.

If you're asking "how would I handle it if I ran the system?"  I say it isn't a crime.  Of course, I say that under my presumption that she willingly went into the locker room, willingly dropped to her knees, and willingly accepted a pearl necklace.

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We're talking about an 18 year old enabling psychological instability in another human being.

Says you.  I say she wanted to suck a dick and was caught.

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Your point is a slippery slope.  What other crimes do you deem too insignificant to be addressed by the judicial system?

I have a few in mind, but I don't see how that's relevant to this one situation.

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Would you agree to vigilantes taking care of sex offenders? 
  No, I believe we aren't strict enough on sex offenders.  And I never, at any point, said sex offenders shouldn't be handled in the judicial system.  I said an 18 year getting a blow job from a consenting 14 year old shouldn't be a crime.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 11:54:09 AM
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Hell, after your authoritarian statements made about the emotional state of all 9th grade females, I thought fallacies were cool in this argument.

Authoritarian?  Do you even know what that means?

I simply gave you an example of what we've experienced the last 5 years.  It's a case study.  9th grade girls who are sexually active face issues that girls who are not sexually active do not. 

It even coincides with our PRIDE surveys (not sure what PRIDE stands for) that we give at the end of the year.  The percentage of girls who mark that they are sexually active coincides with the number of girls dealing with issues based on being sexually active. 

Education isn't just filled with prudes who want to keep kids from having fun.  Research based studies guide our character development, and we focus on drugs, alcohol, community service, and sex. 

Unfortunately, some are strongly pushing for sex to be taken out of character development, and it just doesn't work. 

And besides, according to reports, the girl claims she was pressured into giving oral sex.  There is never a time - no matter the age - where pressuring a girl to perform oral sex is acceptable. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 02, 2011, 11:59:40 AM
I don't think a 14 yo girl has the ability to "consent" to much of anything - they are incredibly mentally immature, regardless of what they may look like physically.  They may not be as innocent as they were back when we were young, but knowing what it means to give a blow job and actually being coerced into doing it are two different things.  Having been a teenaged girl myself once, I know how much pressure a guy can put on you to do things - fear of my parents was really the only reason I had the strength to say no.  And, to be honest, fear of my father was probably the only reason the guys did not push harder.

If a 14 yo is as mature as an 18 yo, then let 14 year old kids vote and drive a car and register for the draft.  There has to be a line drawn, and the age of adulthood in this country, for the most part, is 18.

I agree that an 18 yo boy should not have to register for having sex with his 17 yo gf.  Texas has passed a law that says the age range can be no more than 3 yrs to prevent the pissed off father syndrome.  But even so, 14 is still too young to be having sex of any kind with an 18 yo.  NO WAY does that girl have the capacity to consent, regardless of how many times she subsequently does something.  Does a 7 year old have the capacity to consent when her funny uncle touches her?  There is not a lot of difference here from an emotional or mental state.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 12:08:05 PM
Authoritarian?  Do you even know what that means?

I simply gave you an example of what we've experienced the last 5 years.  It's a case study.  9th grade girls who are sexually active face issues that girls who are not sexually active do not. 

It even coincides with our PRIDE surveys (not sure what PRIDE stands for) that we give at the end of the year.  The percentage of girls who mark that they are sexually active coincides with the number of girls dealing with issues based on being sexually active. 

Education isn't just filled with prudes who want to keep kids from having fun.  Research based studies guide our character development, and we focus on drugs, alcohol, community service, and sex. 

Unfortunately, some are strongly pushing for sex to be taken out of character development, and it just doesn't work. 

And besides, according to reports, the girl claims she was pressured into giving oral sex.  There is never a time - no matter the age - where pressuring a girl to perform oral sex is acceptable.

I understand and agree with what you are saying, but I ask.  Are they sexually active because they choose to be or because they are all being raped?  That's the issue at hand.  If they are sexually active, it's because they choose to be.  And if they choose to perform sexual acts, they shouldn't be allowed to go back and press charges once they are caught.

I realize what the report says.  But I also realize that a report will say anything a victim wants it to say, true or false.  If he has a half way decent attorney, he'll walk without charges.  Because if she's sexually active, I doubt this was her first blow job.  And if it's proven that she consented to the blow job, it won't matter, because the law says she's not old enough to consent.  THAT is bullshit.  And, if he had received the blow job when he was 17, even if it were the day before, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  THAT is bullshit.

Correction, in Louisiana, it is only cool to have sex as a 15 yo if the other party is 15, 16, or 17.  So we would still be having this conversation if he was 17 and she was 14.  And for the record, I'm not saying that we should be alright with 18 yo's having orgies with 14 yo's.  I'm saying if the 14 yo is consenting, then we shouldn't be charging sex crimes to 18 yo kids, especially when they both attend highschool.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 12:27:36 PM
I understand and agree with what you are saying, but I ask.  Are they sexually active because they choose to be or because they are all being raped?  That's the issue at hand.  If they are sexually active, it's because they choose to be.  And if they choose to perform sexual acts, they shouldn't be allowed to go back and press charges once they are caught.

Your argument goes like this:

1.  In order to be sexually active, one must choose to participate in the sexual act. 
2.  If one does not choose to participate in a sexual act but is forced to, it is rape.
3.  Most 9th grade girls choose to participate in sexual acts.
4.  Most 9th grade girls are not raped. 

My argument goes like this:

1.  9th graders do not have the maturity to understand or handle being sexually active and are harmed if they choose to participate in a sexual act.
2.  In order to be sexually active, one must choose to participate in the sexual act.
3.  12th grade boys do have the maturity to undersand and handle being sexually active.
4.  The onus is on the 12th grade boy to not provide the opportunity for the 9th grade girl to choose to participate in a sexual act.
5.  12th grade boys who do provide the opportunity for the 9th grade girl to choose to participate in a sexual act have taken advantage of the 9th grade girl's maturity. 
6.  The 9th grade girl is harmed by the sexual act.
7.  The 12th grade boy has willingly participated in an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited (crime). 

While you claim that the 9th grade girl is capable of making decisions on her own, don't forget that the 12th grade boy is just as capable.  If there's even the slightest inclination that she's uncomfortable with it, why pressure her? 

And if empirical data shows that 9th grade girls are effected negatively by participating in sexual acts, why grant leniency to the 12th grade boy who provided the opportunity? 

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I realize what the report says.  But I also realize that a report will say anything a victim wants it to say, true or false.  If he has a half way decent attorney, he'll walk without charges.  Because if she's sexually active, I doubt this was her first blow job.  And if it's proven that she consented to the blow job, it won't matter, because the law says she's not old enough to consent.  THAT is bullshit.  And, if he had received the blow job when he was 17, even if it were the day before, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  THAT is bullshit.


The nuances of the law are difficult to swallow (ha!), but the law is the law. 

If it's established as law, then it's the job of the boy to know and understand the law. 

If the law is erroneous in nature, then these debates shouldn't be sparked by specific cases. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 12:40:44 PM
Lord Saybinz presents, Real Men of Character

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Today, we salute you, Mister Statutory Rapist Blowjob Getter

Mr. Statutoryrapistblowjobgeeeeetter

While other guys are having sex with girls their own age in a car....YOU entice little girls into the locker room to play tonsil hockey with your giggle stick

I see Mr. Winky
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 01:03:05 PM
§43.3.  Oral sexual battery

A.  Oral sexual battery is the intentional engaging in any of the following acts with another person, who is not the spouse of the offender when the other person has not yet attained fifteen years of age and is at least three years younger than the offender:

That's the charge.  Is there much difference between 14 and 15? 

If most 14 year old females are emotionally unstable and can easily be coerced into sucking dick in a locker room while at school, then they shouldn't be allowed to attend school with 18 year old males.  If they willingly engage in the activity, they should be punished just as harshly as the other party.  If an 18 year old senior engages in a sexual act with a 14 year old freshman, he should not be charged with a felony and he should not have to register as a sex offender. 

That's my stance, and it's not going to change.  If it's proven in court that the 14 year old in LA was forced to perform oral sex when she didn't want to, then by all means, register the kid and send him to prison...because that's what the law says.  But if there's a video, and she isn't giving any signs of not wanting to be there, regardless of what she tells daddy when she gets caught, then I believe it's bullshit to charge the kid with a felony and make him register. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Kaos on August 02, 2011, 01:05:38 PM
  Are they sexually active because they choose to be or because they are all being raped?  That's the issue at hand.  If they are sexually active, it's because they choose to be.  And if they choose to perform sexual acts, they shouldn't be allowed to go back and press charges once they are caught.

Fourteen year old doesn't have the right to make that choice.   

Should you prosecute a store owner because he sold a 14-year old a case of beer?  Her choice.  She wanted it and drank a dozen.

Should you prosecute the strip club owner because he let a 14 year old perform?  Her choice. She wanted to dance and has nice little nubs.   

Your argument is one of the worst ever attempted in the history of humanity.   It fails on every possible moral point.  You've lost a shit-ton of respect even attempting to argue this point. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
Fourteen year old doesn't have the right to make that choice.   

Should you prosecute a store owner because he sold a 14-year old a case of beer?  Her choice.  She wanted it and drank a dozen. Maybe she was thirsty besides she needed to get the taste out of her mouth.

Should you prosecute the strip club owner because he let a 14 year old perform?  Her choice. She wanted to dance and has nice little nubs.   Good for her, she has an after school job

Your argument is one of the worst ever attempted in the history of humanity.   It fails on every possible moral point.  You've lost a shit-ton of respect even attempting to argue this point. Moral..it rhymes with Coral.... say that would be a great stage name
:rimshot:

Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
they shouldn't be allowed to attend school with 18 year old males. 

100% with you on this one.   :bar:
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
I may be off base here but I don't think Token is arguing for it to be okay for an 18 and 14 year old to hook up.  It appears the issue is whether or not the guy should be charged with a felony and branded for life.  I understand the whole debate over the ability of a 14 year old to make any kind of rational, somewhat mature decision.  And yes, I think an 18 year old can easily persuade a girl that age to do something that unfortunately, in this day and age is perfectly acceptable in that culture, in that setting. Not talking black or white here because the post I made earlier referred to a little 2A school in the country with 95% good ole country boys and girls.

Whether he entices her into doing it or she asks him if she can ride the bologna pony, it's wrong.  Worthy of a felony conviction and a scarlet letter?  Not hardly.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 01:35:56 PM
I may be off base here but I don't think Token is arguing for it to be okay for an 18 and 14 year old to hook up.  It appears the issue is whether or not the guy should be charged with a felony and branded for life.  I understand the whole debate over the ability of a 14 year old to make any kind of rational, somewhat mature decision.  And yes, I think an 18 year old can easily persuade a girl that age to do something that unfortunately, in this day and age is perfectly acceptable in that culture, in that setting. Not talking black or white here because the post I made earlier referred to a little 2A school in the country with 95% good ole country boys and girls.

Whether he entices her into doing it or she asks him if she can ride the bologna pony, it's wrong.  Worthy of a felony conviction and a scarlet letter?  Not hardly.

They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that you aren't getting a blow job.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
It is not SEX!

Signed,
William Jefferson Clinton
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Kaos on August 02, 2011, 01:39:32 PM
Whether he entices her into doing it or she asks him if she can ride the bologna pony, it's wrong.  Worthy of a felony conviction and a scarlet letter?  Not hardly.

Yep. 

That's the law.  Felony and a brand. 

Consequences must be levied. 

And for the record?  If AU was considering this guy I'd be at the ADs office registering my complaint.  I'd have a hard time (that's what she said) supporting the team with him as a player.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 02, 2011, 01:43:10 PM


Whether he entices her into doing it or she asks him if she can ride the bologna pony, it's wrong.  Worthy of a felony conviction and a scarlet letter?  Not hardly.

I asked Token this earlier. 

What's it worthy of? 

What should the punishment be?  Claiming the current punishment is too harsh implies that you have a reasonable punishment that sufficiently fits the crime.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 02, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that you aren't getting a blow job.

That's why my wife was smiling so big at our wedding.  She knew she'd given her last BJ.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Saniflush on August 02, 2011, 01:44:59 PM
They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that you aren't getting a blow job.

You touch me, I yell rat!
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: dallaswareagle on August 02, 2011, 01:51:13 PM
Go back to school.  There is a prominent highschool in my area where it was learned that 9th grade girls had to give 3 blowjobs, with photographic proof, to make the cheerleading squad.  Per the Senior cheerleaders.  The recipients of the said blowjobs?  You guessed it.  Senior football players.

Do you blames the 9th graders?  Hell, there competing against the female teachers.   #winning
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: wesfau2 on August 02, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
They could be fascist anarchists, it still wouldn't change the fact that you aren't getting a blow job.

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, dude.  At least it's an ethos.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Godfather on August 02, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, dude.  At least it's an ethos.
They're the Little Token Urban Achievers - inner city children of promise but without the necessary means for a - necessary means for a higher education. So Mr Token is committed to sending all of them to college.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Saniflush on August 02, 2011, 02:03:23 PM
They're the Little Token Urban Achievers - inner city children of promise but without the necessary means for a - necessary means for a higher education. So Mr Token is committed to sending all of them to college.

I told that kraut a fucking thousand times that I don't roll on Shabbos!
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Token on August 02, 2011, 02:21:15 PM
I asked Token this earlier. 

What's it worthy of? 

What should the punishment be?  Claiming the current punishment is too harsh implies that you have a reasonable punishment that sufficiently fits the crime.

I'm good with any charge, felony or misdemeanor, as long as they are granted youthful offender for first time offense and not hit with the community notification act. 
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: Saniflush on August 02, 2011, 02:31:28 PM
I'm good with any charge, felony or misdemeanor, as long as they are granted youthful offender for first time offense and not hit with the community notification act.

See I like the community notification portion of it. 
Easy way to see the competition.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: DnATL on August 02, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
My daughter is now 20 so I guess she can give all the schlobbers she wants.
A little on the old side, but Uncle Sani is listening
Not being naive, she just wasn't "boy crazy" and focused more on dance etc. than dating.
Now he's thinking she might be ghey, and he's even more intrigued
4.  The onus is on the 12th grade boy
And now AWK is getting interested.....

Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: DnATL on August 02, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
That's why my wife was smiling so big at our wedding.  She knew she'd given her last BJ.
Well, at least the last for you
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: AWK on August 03, 2011, 01:06:40 AM
Well, at least the last for you
Don't stop him, he's on a roll.
Title: Re: Saban: Recruiting Men of Character
Post by: The Prowler on August 03, 2011, 08:27:34 AM
No, all of the pieces of shit bammers have given the Auburn coaching staff hell about Eric Smith and his assaulting his girlfriend (or whatever the charge actually was).  Courtney "I Beat Up Dem Women" Upshaw and now Jeremy "Skull Rapist" Hill ...damn talk about glass houses.  I almost forgot, Coach belittle wanted the Broom Handle Rapist two years ago (he signed with Tennessee).