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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Prowler on May 18, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
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To fit his over inflated head...
“If I ever get a chance to play Carolina I’m going to make them pay for passing up on me,†Dareus told WQAM radio host Michael Irvin. â€Denver I’ll get a chance to play them in the regular season (this year) and I’m going to make it hell for them every time I play against them. .. I worked my butt off to the point where I’m not going to give you a reason not to pick me. You’re not going to look at me and be like, ‘Well he’s good, but…†That ‘but’ word is never going to come up when you mention my name."
"My sole focus was for me not to give you a reason to not pick me and you still don’t? Okay, I understand you have needs somewhere else, but if you need somebody to control your front and be a commander across the front and not let anything happen? I work my butt off to do that, and you pass me up still? Okay, I’ve got something for you.â€
LMFAO
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Marcell-Dareus-eager-to-prove-Panthers-Broncos-shouldnt-have-passed-on-him.html
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I think Cam will make him pay for putting on pads.
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I think Cam will make him pay for putting on pads.
The Commander had half the production of Fairley.
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"Aight yeah, Dareus! Yeah! Tell us watch you gone do, boy!"
"Well, I'ma line up and be fat, you know?"
"Watch you mean by dat!"
"Well, I'ma line up and plug them holes!"
"How many tackles, dawg?"
"Oh you know!"
"Yeah! Dog! I know! How many, yo?"
"You know a lot like two or three gainst dem!"
"Yeah!"
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Lets split Dareus and Fairley up and see who got drafted on Hype...
Marcell Dareus
2010:
33 Tackles/20 Solo, 4.5 Sacks, 10 QB Hurries, 0 Int, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 TD
2009:
33 Tackles/19 Solo, 6.5 Sacks, 7 QB Hurries, 1 Int, 0 FF, 0 FR, 1 TD
2008:
4 Tackles/1 Solo, 0 Sacks, 3 QB Hurries, 0 Int, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 TD
Total:
33 Games - 70 Tackles/40 Solo, 11 Sacks, 20 QB Hurries, 1 Int, 1 TD
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/8/1015254/index.html
Nick Fairley
2010:
60 Tackles/36 Solo, 11.5 Sacks, 21 QB Hurries, 1 Int, 2 FF, 1 FR, 0 TD
2009:
28 Tackles/13 Solo, 1.5 Sacks, 7 QB Hurries, 0 Int, 0 FF, 0 FR, 0 TD, 1 Blocked FG
Total:
26 Games - 88 Tackles/49 Solo, 13 Sacks, 28 QB Hurries, 1 Int, 2 FF, 1 FR, 1 Blocked FG
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/player/37/1023141/index.html
I'd say Marcell Dareus is the one that's been hyped up...he should be happy that he was drafted in the Top 15.
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How many plays did each play? I mean to get a true feel of how dominate Fairly really is we need to know if he used even less plays to produce more.
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How many plays did each play? I mean to get a true feel of how dominate Fairly really is we need to know if he used even less plays to produce more.
Fairley was on the field for 60 plays last year.
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Fairley was on the field for 60 plays last year.
That is using your playing time well.
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Lets split Dareus and Fairley up and see who got drafted on Hype...
I'm not going to get into the open ended debate as to who is the better DL. I'm not surprised that Fairley has more tackles, etc, due to defensive style and philosophy.
While NFL teams don't always hit the hammer on the head with their draft picks, I have to believe that these organizations with tens of millions of dollars riding on these guys working out have a reason for picking one player over another. Especially in the first round. There are three other teams that took three other DL before Fairley. Maybe it's because those 3 players fit each team's particular style, or played in a similar system, or whatever. I don't know. There are a million reasons each way, probably. I just think it's kind of short sighted to say "Dude, Fairley had a bunch more tackles than Dareus. Fairley>Dareus relative to the NFL."
Shit, Terrence Cody finished 08 with 21 tackles and 09 with 28 tackles. While alot of times he didn't even play 3rd downs, his stats still weren't all that impressive. However, he still went in the 2nd round. He was a true two-gap NT that played in an NFL type 3-4 scheme, and there was a team out there looking for a two-gap NT. It just worked out. Sometimes teams are simply looking for something specific.
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I'm not going to get into the open ended debate as to who is the better DL. I'm not surprised that Fairley has more tackles, etc, due to defensive style and philosophy.
While NFL teams don't always hit the hammer on the head with their draft picks, I have to believe that these organizations with tens of millions of dollars riding on these guys working out have a reason for picking one player over another. Especially in the first round. There are three other teams that took three other DL before Fairley. Maybe it's because those 3 players fit each team's particular style, or played in a similar system, or whatever. I don't know. There are a million reasons each way, probably. I just think it's kind of short sighted to say "Dude, Fairley had a bunch more tackles than Dareus. Fairley>Dareus relative to the NFL."
Shit, Terrence Cody finished 08 with 21 tackles and 09 with 28 tackles. While alot of times he didn't even play 3rd downs, his stats still weren't all that impressive. However, he still went in the 2nd round. He was a true two-gap NT that played in an NFL type 3-4 scheme, and there was a team out there looking for a two-gap NT. It just worked out. Sometimes teams are simply looking for something specific.
FAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH QUEUE.
:fu:
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FAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH QUEUE.
:fu:
Thanks for your never ending wisdom.
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Thanks for your never ending wisdom.
Eat a shit sandwich and brush your teeth with Drano, Updyke.
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I'm not going to get into the open ended debate as to who is the better DL. I'm not surprised that Fairley has more tackles, etc, due to defensive style and philosophy.
While NFL teams don't always hit the hammer on the head with their draft picks, I have to believe that these organizations with tens of millions of dollars riding on these guys working out have a reason for picking one player over another. Especially in the first round. There are three other teams that took three other DL before Fairley. Maybe it's because those 3 players fit each team's particular style, or played in a similar system, or whatever. I don't know. There are a million reasons each way, probably. I just think it's kind of short sighted to say "Dude, Fairley had a bunch more tackles than Dareus. Fairley>Dareus relative to the NFL."
Shit, Terrence Cody finished 08 with 21 tackles and 09 with 28 tackles. While alot of times he didn't even play 3rd downs, his stats still weren't all that impressive. However, he still went in the 2nd round. He was a true 1 dimensional fatass tub of lard who can only be of impact on draw and off tackle running playstwo-gap NT that played in an NFL type 3-4 scheme, and there was a team out there looking for a fat tub of goo like him two-gap NT. It just worked out. Sometimes teams are simply looking for a lard ass to only take up space something specific.
FIXT
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And that fat tub of goo will be on the two deep this season as well. I mean, I could make a decent argument as to why Cody should have went alot later than he did. He should have. I guess my point here is if a team could find a need for TC to snatch him up in the second round, I'm sure a team could identify a reason to take MD in the first round.
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Eat a shit sandwich and brush your teeth with Drano, Updyke.
I love you too, snookums.
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And that fat tub of goo will be on the two deep this season as well. I mean, I could make a decent argument as to why Cody should have went alot later than he did. He should have. I guess my point here is if a team could find a need for TC to snatch him up in the second round, I'm sure a team could identify a reason to take MD in the first round.
Objectively watching both of them play a LOT, Fairley created more problems, double teams and was just more a general disturbance to the rhythm of an offense. Not even looking at the numbers, although they do help solidify that claim.
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Objectively watching both of them play a LOT, Fairley created more problems, double teams and was just more a general disturbance to the rhythm of an offense. Not even looking at the numbers, although they do help solidify that claim.
I don't doubt Dareus will be a solid performer, just as he was at Alabama...but we know who the show stopper is in this comparison. Opposing teams were scared shitless of the man, as in Randy White or Dwight Freeney. And I know scouts were high on Dareus's versatility but I think Fairley might surprise and play some end anyway. Dareus caught RBs. Fairley terrorized QBs.
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I don't doubt Dareus will be a solid performer, just as he was at Alabama...but we know who the show stopper is in this comparison. Opposing teams were scared shitless of the man, as in Randy White or Dwight Freeney. And I know scouts were high on Dareus's versatility but I think Fairley might surprise and play some end anyway. Dareus caught RBs. Fairley terrorized QBs.
Alabama's DL philosophy is to have bigger guys, push/move the pocket, and let the LBs do the dirty work. While obviously nobody would complain about a DL getting a sack or two if they can, Bama's DL doesn't typically pin their ears back and just bull rush the OL down after down. Their pressure is mainly based from points OTHER than the DL.
Different guys play in different systems with different philosophies, and different NFL teams are looking for guys who meet their criteria for their philosophy. Very simple.
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Alabama's DL philosophy is to have bigger guys, push/move the pocket, and let the LBs do the dirty work. While obviously nobody would complain about a DL getting a sack or two if they can, Bama's DL doesn't typically pin their ears back and just bull rush the OL down after down. Their pressure is mainly based from points OTHER than the DL.
Different guys play in different systems with different philosophies, and different NFL teams are looking for guys who meet their criteria for their philosophy. Very simple.
Yes, so one is stay at home and man your zone, while the other attacks.
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SPuat's DL play paddycake with the OL, Auburn's DL rips through the OL and fucks the opponents up in the backfield. I loved the Oregon play where they didn't block Fairley so the QB could read where he was going. The QB must not have realized that Fairley doesn't tiptoe around. Or when the MSU QB faked the handoff to the RB and Fairley ripped through the line, knocked the QB down and tossed the RB about 5 yards backwards. (the commentator laughed and said that Fairley is in the backfield sorting out who has the ball by tackling everyone).
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SPuat's DL play paddycake with the OL, Auburn's DL rips through the OL and effs the opponents up in the backfield. I loved the Oregon play where they didn't block Fairley so the QB could read where he was going. The QB must not have realized that Fairley doesn't tiptoe around. Or when the MSU QB faked the handoff to the RB and Fairley ripped through the line, knocked the QB down and tossed the RB about 5 yards backwards. (the commentator laughed and said that Fairley is in the backfield sorting out who has the ball by tackling everyone).
Prowler you are smarter than that.
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Prowler you are smarter than that.
Fairley pushed the pocket, right into the player with the ball...Fairley became the pocket. Dareus was too busy getting roached by a TE converted to a RT (Brandon Mosley).
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Prowler you are smarter than that.
Most of us dig the two gap/ three technique Mike Mayotte talk. It just doesn't change the fact that Dareus occupys blockers. We understand the LBs are to make the tackles, hell Auburn is no different.
You both want to say it, but there's that open-ended debate you want to avoid per RWS.
I understand you choose to skirt the "debate."
I really do!
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Ass? Hole in the ground? Hmmmm. I guess I'll flip a coin. Can't tell one from the other.
blah, blah, blah.
Fuck off.
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blah, blah, blah.
Fuck off.
No.
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Fairley pushed the pocket, right into the player with the ball...Fairley became the pocket. Dareus was too busy getting roached by a TE converted to a RT (Brandon Mosley).
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Fairly has always had the skill but was lazy and did not want to work (your own d-line coach Rock said that not me). Dareus was good and he played hurt all year. You can watch clips of him hobbling around the field on a bad ankle. Truth is both guys are gifted and we were lucky to have them but to sit here and try to change your mind or you change my mind is just worthless.
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Fairly has always had the skill but was lazy and did not want to work (your own d-line coach Rock said that not me). Dareus was good and he played hurt all year. You can watch clips of him hobbling around the field on a bad ankle. Truth is both guys are gifted and we were lucky to have them but to sit here and try to change your mind or you change my mind is just worthless.
Fairley played hurt just about all year too. IIRC, his shoulder kept popping outta place.
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Fairly has always had the skill but was lazy and did not want to work (your own d-line coach Rock said that not me). Dareus was good and he played hurt all year. You can watch clips of him hobbling around the field on a bad ankle. Truth is both guys are gifted and we were lucky to have them but to sit here and try to change your mind or you change my mind is just worthless.
No. Dareus is a fraud. An agent partying, lying to the NCAA fake. He was invisible in more than half the games he played.
Buffalo, which has such an outstanding history of making good decisions in the draft , just fucked up again is what it amounts to.
In 2007 they reached for Marshawn Lynch, in 2008 their first pick was Leodis McKelvin, in 2009 they went for Aaron Maybin and in 2010 they chose CJ Spiller.
Decent players. Not first round quality.
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Fairley played hurt just about all year too. IIRC, his shoulder kept popping outta place.
That hurts like a bitch.
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In value, Fairley will make more money, because in the NFL, 3rd down means everything, and a 2 gap NG isn't on the field on 3rd down 90% of the time. A pass rushing 3 technique is. To that end, Buff. took the guy they needed to be a shit sandwich tub of lard for first and 2nd down in their 34 system. Fairely will get more pub, have more impact on games, get more time on ESPN SC, make more money, which leads to higher quality white pussy, which there's very little of in Buffalo anyway, and life will, thus, be better. Fuck Dareus.
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In value, Fairley will make more money, because in the NFL, 3rd down means everything, and a 2 gap NG isn't on the field on 3rd down 90% of the time. A pass rushing 3 technique is. To that end, Buff. took the guy they needed to be a shit sandwich tub of lard for first and 2nd down in their 34 system. Fairely will get more pub, have more impact on games, get more time on ESPN SC, make more money, which leads higher quality white pussy, which there's very little of in Buffalo anyway, and life will, thus, be better. Fuck Dareus.
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