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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Homer Samford on March 03, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqQ7lepKxmZT9_ANw1_nI4UcvrYF?slug=cr-oregon030311 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqQ7lepKxmZT9_ANw1_nI4UcvrYF?slug=cr-oregon030311)
"The University of Oregon paid more than $28,000 to two men with ties to multiple recruits who signed letters of intent with the school, Yahoo! Sports has learned.
According to State of Oregon expenditure records, the university paid $25,000 to Will Lyles of Complete Scouting Services in Houston, and $3,745 to Baron Flenory of New Level Athletics. Lyles is a former athletic trainer who recently was serving as a mentor to highly touted Ducks running back recruit Lache Seastrunk. Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler. Flenory had a personal training relationship with recent Ducks signee Anthony Wallace."
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqQ7lepKxmZT9_ANw1_nI4UcvrYF?slug=cr-oregon030311 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqQ7lepKxmZT9_ANw1_nI4UcvrYF?slug=cr-oregon030311)
"The University of Oregon paid more than $28,000 to two men with ties to multiple recruits who signed letters of intent with the school, Yahoo! Sports has learned.
According to State of Oregon expenditure records, the university paid $25,000 to Will Lyles of Complete Scouting Services in Houston, and $3,745 to Baron Flenory of New Level Athletics. Lyles is a former athletic trainer who recently was serving as a mentor to highly touted Ducks running back recruit Lache Seastrunk. Meanwhile, Flenory runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 football camps which have featured several celebrated Ducks signees including running back DeAnthony Thomas, defensive back Cliff Harris, defensive back Dior Mathis and wideout Tacoi Sumler. Flenory had a personal training relationship with recent Ducks signee Anthony Wallace."
Everybody except for the hopeful bammers will now forget all about Auburn.
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Everybody except for the hopeful bammers will now forget all about Auburn.
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OR: They will say the title game was played between two ______s.
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http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2010/12/10/street-agents-in-texas-some-new-competition-for-will-lyles/
Check out his "clients".
Patrick Peterson –LSU
RJ Jackson –LSU
Brandon Lafell –LSU
Ruben Randle – LSU
Terrence Tolliver –LSU (seeing a theme here?)
Lache Seastrunk –Oregon (misdirection! I see what you did there.)
Shaun Lewis – Oklahoma State
Toney Hurd –Oklahoma State
Ahmad Dixon – Baylor (Tennessee/Baylor)
Mike Goodson – Texas A&M
Martellus Bennett – Texas A&M
Trent Richardson – Bama
Reggie Bush – USC
Joe McNight – USC
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Skadoosh!!!
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ESPN, particularly Schlabach and fucking Schad, try to make this about Auburn again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423
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ESPN, particularly Schlabach and fucking Schad, try to make this about Auburn again.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423
Yeah well screw them. WCOV leads with a tease on a story about how much Auburn spent in Glendale. Friggin Bammers are running scared with all this hate. HA HA HA! I love it!
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Yeah well screw them. WCOV leads with a tease on a story about how much Auburn spent in Glendale. Friggin Bammers are running scared with all this hate. HA HA HA! I love it!
WCOV?
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WCOV?
http://www.wcov.com/main.html (http://www.wcov.com/main.html)
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Here's the CBS Sports article:
On Thursday night a pair of reports released details regarding a probe related to Oregon's recruiting. Charles Ronbinson, of Yahoo! Sports, released a report revealing details from Oregon's expenditure records, which included $25,000 to Will Lyles for recruiting services, and $3,747 to Baron Flenory, a trainer who runs the Badger Sports Elite 7-on-7 camps. In an ESPN.com report, sources close to the probe said that NCAA officials were looking closely into the relationships between Oregon, highly-touted recruit Lache Seastrunk, and Lyles, his personal trainer and mentor.
Obviously the most significant figure here is in regards to Lyles, who has considered himself a trainer and mentor to both Seastrunk and current Duck LaMichael James. Schools often will pay for recruiting services (names, measurements, contact), but the dollar amount paid to Lyles does seem a bit high.
From the ESPN.com report:
Oregon athletics department spokesman Dave Williford confirmed to ESPN.com on Thursday that Oregon paid Lyles $25,000 for his recruiting services. Oregon's payment to Lyles was made shortly after Seastrunk signed a national letter of intent in February 2010 to play football for the Ducks, choosing them over California, LSU and USC.
Your response, head coach Chip Kelly?
"Most programs purchase recruiting services," Oregon coach Chip Kelly said Thursday. "Our compliance office is aware of it. Will has a recruiting service that met NCAA rules and we used him in 2010."
The Yahoo! report revealed more about Flenory's tie with Oregon.
Flenory said the payment to him was for a recruiting service that his company set up for Oregon. The package included names, birthdates and other info on potential recruits. Flenory said the package to Oregon was the only one ever sold by his company, because “we stopped doing it because the NCAA said recruiting services could no longer do camps on college campuses. Because we were running camps, we decided that was a better business for us than to sell the recruiting packagesâ€
While the implications of these reports are juicy, it is merely smoke for now. If either man is found to be tied to the recruitment of players to the University of Oregon, the payment to them would be considered an NCAA violation. If both men can prove they had no part in steering the players towards Eugene, then the Ducks dodged a bullet.
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My point in posting the CBS article is that this really does not seem like a big deal. Oregon paid for the services up front - no slush fund payments. For all the ZOMG!!1!!SOME MAJOR PROGRAM IS FUKED1!!!! stuff that was flying around, this is just a fizzle. I was expecting some hookers and blow jobs for recruits in a head coach's office while Phil Knight made it rain. Payment for legit recruiting services? Not quite the "Wow" factor that the hype led us to believe.
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I was expecting some hookers and blow jobs for recruits in a head coach's office while Phil Knight made it rain.
Or what Charlie Sheen calls a Thursday.
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Or what Charlie Sheen calls a Thursday.
Funny.
Side note - I think there is a typo in your signature line. Shouldn't it read "when THEY step to the Homer"?
And while I am asking, WTF does that mean?
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When I originally thought that this supposed team that would be hammered would be Oregon, I thought fo sho it would be they had tied Phil Knight to some major shit piled high. If this is all they got on Oregon, the shit on the wall aint gonna stick.
I'm telling ya'll, I think I am really getting sick of this "bomb" dropping NCAA rules violation news shit. I am more anxious for spring training more than eva.
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My point in posting the CBS article is that this really does not seem like a big deal. Oregon paid for the services up front - no slush fund payments. For all the ZOMG!!1!!SOME MAJOR PROGRAM IS FUKED1!!!! stuff that was flying around, this is just a fizzle. I was expecting some hookers and blow jobs for recruits in a head coach's office while Phil Knight made it rain. Payment for legit recruiting services? Not quite the "Wow" factor that the hype led us to believe.
Not so fast....
I don't think this is over. I think it is just beginning.
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Not so fast....
I don't think this is over. I think it is just beginning.
If I was paying some dude to steer a recruit to my school, WTH would I cut a straight up check from the Athletic Dept? Even if they DID pay him off, he covered himself very smartly when he also produced legitimate work product. Try and prove the money was not in exchange for goods and services rendered - you can't.
The media is just looking for the next ZOMG!!! story. And it helps that it is a recent BCSNC participant.
Ducks, welcome to our hell of being tarnished for something that is nothing.
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If I was paying some dude to steer a recruit to my school, WTH would I cut a straight up check from the Athletic Dept? Even if they DID pay him off, he covered himself very smartly when he also produced legitimate work product. Try and prove the money was not in exchange for goods and services rendered - you can't.
The media is just looking for the next ZOMG!!! story. And it helps that it is a recent BCSNC participant.
Ducks, welcome to our hell of being tarnished for something that is nothing.
I don't even mean Oregon in particular. There's something bigger brewing. I can feel it.
All the smoke and venom directed at us? Will fade away as the "new" stuff starts to feed the appetites.
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I don't even mean Oregon in particular. There's something bigger brewing. I can feel it.
All the smoke and venom directed at us? Will fade away as the "new" stuff starts to feed the appetites.
I'm just tired of hearing of the next smoking gun. I will say though that this shit has only begun for the Ducks. Like TW saidm welcome to our hell. The real ironic part will be that the real shit hitting the fan is when this officially involves the Updike nation.
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I think this may give a clearer picture on why the NCAA was questioning Reed and Robinson and nothing to do with Auburn and Trooper Taylor; more to do with Lyles and Oregon.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6179423
The NCAA, according to sources, is also examining Lyles' relationship with Sean Nelson of Thibodeaux, La., whose own relationship with top football prospects has been scrutinized by the NCAA. Last month, NCAA investigators interviewed former Thibodeaux High School coach Dennis Lorio about Auburn's recruitment of receiver Trovon Reed and offensive lineman Greg Robinson this year. Reed signed with Auburn last year; Robinson signed with the Tigers in February.
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New Level Sports
Is this not who Lyles does work for? I'll answer...yes it is.
Guess who runs bamas summer camps?
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New Level Sports
Is this not who Lyles does work for? I'll answer...yes it is.
Guess who runs bamas summer camps?
Shhhhh..... that was my secret.
Don't tell Scott Moore. All he's interested in is the truth!
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Shhhhh..... that was my secret.
Don't tell Scott Moore. All he's interested in is the truth!
Boy, it sure would be funny as hell if "Roll Ducks Roll" came back to bite them in the ass though.
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http://www.sportssignup.com/New-Level-Athletics-Online-Registration.start
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Shhhhh..... that was my secret.
Don't tell Scott Moore. All he's interested in is the truth!
Funny that Joe Scad left Bammer off his list of other schools where other players associated with Lyles signed.
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New Level Sports
Is this not who Lyles does work for? I'll answer...yes it is.
Guess who runs bamas summer camps?
No, he runs Complete Scouting, another dude named Flenory woks for New Level, who was also paid by Oregon.
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Funny.
Side note - I think there is a typo in your signature line. Shouldn't it read "when THEY step to the Homer"?
And while I am asking, WTF does that mean?
I dunno. I was tired and couldn't come up with anything else. But this inspired me to change.
Does anyone think Oregon may have actually done something here or are they the latest tabloid victims?
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I dunno. I was tired and couldn't come up with anything else. But this inspired me to change.
Does anyone think Oregon may have actually done something here or are they the latest tabloid victims?
Not sure what to think. Wench is right in that they were smart in masquerading it as a legitimate business expenditure. The one thing that keeps coming up to me is how quickly we dropped recruiting Seastruck last year. I mean we went from 100 mph to 0 overnight. Just makes me think that something came to light to the coaches and they backed off.
Just conjecture on my part but that is where my head is at right now.
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The one thing that keeps coming up to me is how quickly we dropped recruiting Seastruck last year. I mean we went from 100 mph to 0 overnight. Just makes me think that something came to light to the coaches and they backed off.
Bammers told me it was because he made that crack at Saban and Saban told Auburn to back off. :taunt:
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Bammers told me it was because he made that crack at Saban and Saban told Auburn to back off. :taunt:
I'm sure they did. All hail the famunda cheese god.
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I'm sure they did. All hail the famunda cheese god.
He demands sacrifice - oak trees.
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The NCAA is on a witch hunt to burn street agents. I think that's pretty apparent.
Think Marvin Austin/Marcel Dareus and others at the agent party.
Think Kenny Rogers being shady with Cam Newton's recruitment.
Think the latest comments from Urban Meyer on ESPN. If they think the street agent issue is about to be blowed up by the NCAA, what better way to look like insider-experts than to have a former head coach talking about the problem with street agents?
Think the latest stories on Oregon and the "recruiting services" they paid, which look a whole lot like street agents.
I'm not sure this will get as ugly as we think. I think this will turn into a new rule from the NCAA with a lot of teams and players getting let off the hook.
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From the ESPN article:
"Willie said he was a trainer," Evelyn Seastrunk said. "Now Oregon says he's a scout? Is he on Oregon's payroll? If Willie Lyles collected $25,000 off my son he needs to be held accountable. The NCAA must find out for me. I don't know how to digest someone cashing in on my son."
Peace out, Oregon.
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No, he runs Complete Scouting, another dude named Flenory woks for New Level, who was also paid by Oregon.
I think you are correct. Lyles did use to work for Scout.com. Somewhere around here I think Prowler posted a list of this guys "customers".
http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2010/12/10/street-agents-in-texas-some-new-competition-for-will-lyles/
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The NCAA is on a witch hunt to burn street agents. I think that's pretty apparent.
Think Marvin Austin/Marcel Dareus and others at the agent party.
Think Kenny Rogers being shady with Cam Newton's recruitment.
Think the latest comments from Urban Meyer on ESPN. If they think the street agent issue is about to be blowed up by the NCAA, what better way to look like insider-experts than to have a former head coach talking about the problem with street agents?
Think the latest stories on Oregon and the "recruiting services" they paid, which look a whole lot like street agents.
I'm not sure this will get as ugly as we think. I think this will turn into a new rule from the NCAA with a lot of teams and players getting let off the hook.
I'm trying to think but you're doing it for me.
So the NCAA's approach (in jmar terms) will be similar to that at our southern border (and no, not the FL panhandle)
We build a new wall and make it higher than the old one.
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The NCAA is on a witch hunt to burn street agents. I think that's pretty apparent.
Think Marvin Austin/Marcel Dareus and others at the agent party.
Think Kenny Rogers being shady with Cam Newton's recruitment.
Think the latest comments from Urban Meyer on ESPN. If they think the street agent issue is about to be blowed up by the NCAA, what better way to look like insider-experts than to have a former head coach talking about the problem with street agents?
Think the latest stories on Oregon and the "recruiting services" they paid, which look a whole lot like street agents.
I'm not sure this will get as ugly as we think. I think this will turn into a new rule from the NCAA with a lot of teams and players getting let off the hook.
The media is on the witch hunt. As well as fans...rival fans. Saw a guy on CSS last nite claiming the NCAA fields cslls daily from the public on all manner of "infractions" to report. You can bet callss from track phones in trailer parks near Tuscaloser lead the way. The NCAA follows up on legit info, and street agents are a hot topic of the day.
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The media is on the witch hunt. As well as fans...rival fans. Saw a guy on CSS last nite claiming the NCAA fields cslls daily from the public on all manner of "infractions" to report. You can bet callss from track phones in trailer parks near Tuscaloser lead the way. The NCAA follows up on legit info, and street agents are a hot topic of the day.
Shane must spend a fortune buying trac phone minutes.
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Shane must spend a fortune buying trac phone minutes.
You joke, or maybe not but I would bet a paycheck he has them on speed dial.
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http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2010/12/10/street-agents-in-texas-some-new-competition-for-will-lyles/ (http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2010/12/10/street-agents-in-texas-some-new-competition-for-will-lyles/)
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Not so fast....
I don't think this is over. I think it is just beginning.
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yes yes...I know this isn't my usual standard..I was hustling.
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yes yes...I know this isn't my usual standard..I was hustling.
It's a nice hustle...
Here's the problem for Oregon as I see it.
They didn't pay until AFTER the kid signed. If they pay for the service beforehand? Not as big an issue.
Paying after, however, particularly when (if memory serves) Oregon wasn't even on his board until about January or so and bigger schools ran away from him like he had herpes? I think they have a problem if the connection can be made that thee payments were delivered only if they got the desired result.
Now if we're going to make THAT legal and there's no cap? Fuck yeah. Wild west. I'm getting rich myself. I will get a herd of fucking recruits and pass them out like tic tacs for 25K a pop. I'll make the same deal with 10 schools. He comes there, you pay me 25k. Winner.
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It's a nice hustle...
Here's the problem for Oregon as I see it.
They didn't pay until AFTER the kid signed. If they pay for the service beforehand? Not as big an issue.
Paying after, however, particularly when (if memory serves) Oregon wasn't even on his board until about January or so and bigger schools ran away from him like he had herpes? I think they have a problem if the connection can be made that thee payments were delivered only if they got the desired result.
Now if we're going to make THAT legal and there's no cap? phuk yeah. Wild west. I'm getting rich myself. I will get a herd of phuking recruits and pass them out like tic tacs for 25K a pop. I'll make the same deal with 10 schools. He comes there, you pay me 25k. Winner.
Get a couple of kids to pull a Cyrus and you might can collect from two schools.
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Get a couple of kids to pull a Cyrus and you might can collect from two schools.
UO has releasrd invoices of payment to both Lyles and Flenory. They are not, at this point acting like they have anything to hide.
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UO has releasrd invoices of payment to both Lyles and Flenory. They are not, at this point acting like they have anything to hide.
Maybe they don't. The most brazen crooks do it best.
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Maybe they don't. The most brazen crooks do it best.
True. Im trying to decide if they are that, or just naive in the art of cheating. Or, if they have just walked the razorz edge but not gotten cut. At this point they seem to think plausible deniability to any wrongdoing is on their side.
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True. Im trying to decide if they are that, or just naive in the art of cheating. Or, if they have just walked the razorz edge but not gotten cut. At this point they seem to think plausible deniability to any wrongdoing is on their side.
Its possible that they have been flying under Uncle Phils wings for so long that think that this will just blow over. On the other hand, they may be so new at the game that they make rookie mistakes.
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Kaos is correct, this is just the beginning...The NCAA wants to put a stop to these street agents/recruiting guys before it becomes similar to College Basketball's AAU. The NCAA can go as deep as they want to, in this side of recruiting, and never be able to find the bottom. When the Austin/Dareus Agentgate went down and the NCAA made a statement of wanting to crackdown on the Agents in College Football, I said then that they'll need to hire A Lot more staff members if they really want to stop it, because it is everywhere.
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Kaos is correct, this is just the beginning...The NCAA wants to put a stop to these street agents/recruiting guys before it becomes similar to College Basketball's AAU. The NCAA can go as deep as they want to, in this side of recruiting, and never be able to find the bottom. When the Austin/Dareus Agentgate went down and the NCAA made a statement of wanting to crackdown on the Agents in College Football, I said then that they'll need to hire A Lot more staff members if they really want to stop it, because it is everywhere.
I wish they'd look into this adoption bullshit. Fuckers taking kids in and becoming their guardians.
That's seriously fucked.
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Also.
Why does Brooks say Auburn "does a lot of business" with this Lyle character. My understanding is that he's intimately connected at Bama, but we don't have anything to do with him and haven't.
Is he wrong or does he know something nobody else does?
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Also.
Why does Brooks say Auburn "does a lot of business" with this Lyle character. My understanding is that he's intimately connected at Bama, but we don't have anything to do with him and haven't.
Is he wrong or does he know something nobody else does?
Brooks is wrong. He's just going off what bammers feed him. And yes, SPuat does have a close relationship with Lyles, it started when Coach belittle got there and it will continue regardless of what the NCAA decides.
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I think they also have some dealings with Badger Sports 7 on 7 ran by the other dude in question.
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I think they also have some dealings with Badger Sports 7 on 7 ran by the other dude in question.
Yup...New Level Athletics owns Badger Sports...now it's easier for Coach Belittle to have his bump-ins.
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I do not see Texas on the list provided on page one, quite a few to neighbor LSU, even A&M but no Texas. I'm assuming the list just a smattering of some of the high profile kids but someone has to be steering the "investigative auditors" in a certain direction initially.
Ole Miss uses and paid for the same service as Oregon (not the Badger 7 on 7 as I am aware) and it would make little sense for any program to point fingers, especially if your program uses the same services.
A program that did not use or one that used another competing service that failed to land some particular athlete(s) might cause it to fire a few warning shots. And I think the one that did has some serious clout.The sum of the payment seems paltry compared to the long-term effects of continually getting plucked of your talent in your own backyard.
One program has been steadily ascending while the other seems to have run off into a ditch.
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I do not see Texas on the list provided on page one, quite a few to neighbor LSU, even A&M but no Texas. I'm assuming the list just a smattering of some of the high profile kids but someone has to be steering the "investigative auditors" in a certain direction initially.
Ole Miss uses and paid for the same service as Oregon (not the Badger 7 on 7 as I am aware) and it would make little sense for any program to point fingers, especially if your program uses the same services.
A program that did not use or one that used another competing service that failed to land some particular athlete(s) might cause it to fire a few warning shots. And I think the one that did has some serious clout.The sum of the payment seems paltry compared to the long-term effects of continually getting plucked of your talent in your own backyard.
One program has been steadily ascending while the other seems to have run off into a ditch.
Arkansas?
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Arkansas?
No...I was suggesting New Mexico State.