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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on February 10, 2011, 04:26:15 PM
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Cam Newton worked out in San Diego today.
Apparently, some are saying he could be the #1 pick overall if he continues to workout like this when NFL scouts are present.
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Cam Newton worked out in San Diego today.
Apparently, some are saying he could be the #1 pick overall if he continues to workout like this when NFL scouts are present.
It got Trent Dilfer horny enough to almost pork the fat chick reporter he was out there with. Yeah. I said "pork".
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More:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/trent-dilfer-of-cam-newton-workout-phenomenal/related
NFL scouts couldn’t attend Cam Newton’s random Thursday “Media Day†workout. But if they could . . .
“That was phenomenal,†ESPN’s Trent Dilfer reports via Bruce Feldman. “If scouts saw this they’d have been slobbering.â€
With all due respect to my fellow scribes in attendance, Dilfer’s opinion may be the only one that particularly matters from this workout. Dilfer does as much homework as any analyst, and he’s usually a tough critic. We trust him if he said it was an impressive session.
Tony Pauline of SI.com wrote earlier this week that “at least†six teams rank Newton as their top overall prospect in the draft. It defies belief that six teams even have a “top-ranked†player at this stage, but the note shows that Newton has some serious support within the scouting community. Not to mention with Dilfer.
“His mechanics are so sound,†Dilfer said. “The ball just jumps off his hands. He made 30 big-time throws.â€
Newton’s workout on Thursday ultimately doesn’t mean that much, but it’s a good sign he’s so confident in his development. It’s a better sign that he impressed Dilfer so much.
The next step: Make the actual scouts slobber at the Combine or a real Pro Day.
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Sam Bradford put a ton critics to shame with his workouts. The scouts know what they're looking for and analyze a players potential far different than the casual fan....meaning me.
It took Cam a few short games to adjust to the SEC and D1 ball in general. And yes, it was obvious to even the casual fan....me...that he had work to do after watching him fail to see wide open guys time after time in his first few games. BUT...he fixed that shit big time and I have no doubt he'll adjust quickly to what they want him to do in the pros.
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I just seriously hope he does not end up with the freakin' frackin' Washington Redskins....or the Lions....or the Bills.
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Wait...I thought I was a dumb ass for saying he would be the number 1 pick in the draft for me...
I still say that and I don't give a fuck what QB would have come out...
The dude has IT...
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FWIW, some guy called in to Fbomb claiming he played for some Buff. Bills coach at Livingston, and that his old coach told him that Buff. would do whatever it took to get Cam. I don't know exactly where they are in the draft order, but I know they sucked this past year.
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So it wasn't Malzahn?
Seriously. It's impossible to watch the guy from ground level and not be impressed.
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Wait...I thought I was a dumb ass for saying he would be the number 1 pick in the draft for me...
I still say that and I don't give a fuck what QB would have come out...
The dude has IT...
I think he does too, but those NFL guys are funny about being the "prototypical" type QB.
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I think he does too, but those NFL guys are funny about being the "prototypical" type QB.
Vince and Jamarcus almost fucked it up for everybody.
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Wait...I thought I was a dumb ass for saying he would be the number 1 pick in the draft for me...
I still say that and I don't give a fuck what QB would have come out...
The dude has IT...
No.
You were a dumbass for saying Cam is a better prospect than Andrew Luck.
And if Luck were in the draft, he would still be the unanimous vote for #1 pick.
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No.
You were a dumbass for saying Cam is a better prospect than Andrew Luck.
And if Luck were in the draft, he would still be the unanimous vote for #1 pick.
And I still say the ceiling for Cam is far and away higher than Andrew Luck...
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And I still say the ceiling for Cam is far and away higher than Andrew Luck...
It has to be or he would bump his head.
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It has to be or he would bump his head.
Not a snicker...
Or even a smile...
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Not a snicker...
Or even a smile...
Not every punch lands.
:fu:
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6109477 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6109477)
Warren Moon as mentor... awesome.
While Whitfield is Newton's coach, Moon described his role as a mentor.
"But if I see something that I can help him improve on, I'm going to do that," Moon said.
During the session, Moon picked up on something and told Newton.
"He wasn't transferring well," Moon said afterward. "He was throwing leaning backward. Even though he has a very strong arm, I don't care how strong of an arm you have, if you're not in the right throwing motion, you're not going to get good accuracy on the football, the ball is going to go high on you. As soon as he gets that weight transferred, he throws the ball as accurately as anyone you've been around."
Moon isn't at every session, but Whitfield films every workout and sends it to him.
"I just see him improving," Moon said. "Every day he does something a little bit better than he did the day before, whether it's taking the snap from center or whether it's transferring his weight from dropping back to throwing the football. That's where he's making his biggest adjustment, to me, is being able to drop back, because that's something he's never had to do, and then transfer that weight forward to get velocity behind your throws and also to get accuracy."
Newton usually does throwing with Whitfield in the morning and then does classroom work and speed work in the afternoon.
A month removed from Auburn's BCS title game victory over Oregon, Newton said he's approaching things as a professional athlete.
"This whole transformation from the college level to the NFL is a big leap," he said. "But at the same time, you have to be mature enough to be able to work on your talent when nobody is looking. This is your profession, this is your job. And I have to come at it every single day trying to get better at what I do."
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NFL network
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d81e41011/article/newton-makes-powerful-impression-at-controlled-workout?module=HP_cp2
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Haters continue to hate.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/31/cam-newtons-media-workout-called-a-publicity-stunt/
Cam Newton’s media workout called a “publicity stuntâ€
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 31, 2011, 9:30 AM EST
The NFL Draft process is one of endless routine. So when a player breaks out of that routine, he’s going to get criticized.
Auburn quarterback Cam Newton’s decision to hold a media-only workout before the NFL Scouting Combine is an odd one. NFL scouts are not allowed by rule to attend any event other than at the Combine or the player’s school or hometown.
Newton will work out in Del Mar, California. The purpose is essentially to show media folks that he’s not JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, or any other quarterback that didn’t have the reputation as a hard worker.
One executive told Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com/CBSSports.com that it was nothing more than a “publicity stunt.†Another scout wondered about the entire approach.
“The Newtons would be best to realize they aren’t in college anymore. Regardless of how good he looks for [the media], there isn’t going to be a bidding war for him,†the scout told Rang. “We’re not recruiting him. They could wind up turning more people against them than for them with this [workout].â€
We suspect the workout won’t really make a difference one way or another. It’s not going to help Newton’s chances of going high in the draft. But if Newton performs well in the workouts attended by NFL personnel, it shouldn’t hurt him either.
Talent always wins out on draft day.
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And I still say the ceiling for Cam is far and away higher than Andrew Luck...
Everyone has the right to a wrong opinion.
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I honestly have no clue how either of these guys will turn out in the pros but I have a hard time believing that Cam Newton doesn't have more potential to succeed than Mr. Luck. Not saying for one second that Luck won't be the bomb but how can anyone honestly compare the two and say Luck is the better prospect? How much has anyone here actually seen him play. Take a look at a simple comparison.
Andrew Luck 6'4" 235
Passing: 263/372 70.7% 3338 yds 32 TD 8 INT 170.16 PR
Rushing: 453 Yards 3 TD
Cam Newton 6'6" 250
Passing: 185/280 66.1% 2854 yds 30TD 7INT 182.05 PR
Rushing: 1,483 Yards 20TD
A couple of things to note here. Luck plays in the offense minded PAC SUX and in fact threw almost 100 more passes for 32 TD's. Cam throws almost 100 less passes for 30 TDs....against the best defenses, the best league in the country..by a country mile. Cam rushed for 1,483 yards and 20 TDs...again..against the best defenses in the country, while Luck hammered out 3 scores. Yes, I'm well aware that no QB will be able to run in the pros like Cam did this year in college; however, he WILL run a good bit regardless and that threat will make him dangerous in the pros as well. It's not like you can't run at all in the pros from the QB position. It's been done. Ask John Elway, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick etc.
My biggest thing with Cam is looking at what he did in this league and how he improved to become an incredibly well rounded QB in ONE year. Just think what he could do with 2-3 years of professional tutoring and experience.
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I honestly have no clue how either of these guys will turn out in the pros but I have a hard time believing that Cam Newton doesn't have more potential to succeed than Mr. Luck. Not saying for one second that Luck won't be the bomb but how can anyone honestly compare the two and say Luck is the better prospect? How much has anyone here actually seen him play. Take a look at a simple comparison.
Andrew Luck 6'4" 235
Passing: 263/372 70.7% 3338 yds 32 TD 8 INT 170.16 PR
Rushing: 453 Yards 3 TD
Cam Newton 6'6" 250
Passing: 185/280 66.1% 2854 yds 30TD 7INT 182.05 PR
Rushing: 1,483 Yards 20TD
A couple of things to note here. Luck plays in the offense minded PAC SUX and in fact threw almost 100 more passes for 32 TD's. Cam throws almost 100 less passes for 30 TDs....against the best defenses, the best league in the country..by a country mile. Cam rushed for 1,483 yards and 20 TDs...again..against the best defenses in the country, while Luck hammered out 3 scores. Yes, I'm well aware that no QB will be able to run in the pros like Cam did this year in college; however, he WILL run a good bit regardless and that threat will make him dangerous in the pros as well. It's not like you can't run at all in the pros from the QB position. It's been done. Ask John Elway, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick etc.
My biggest thing with Cam is looking at what he did in this league and how he improved to become an incredibly well rounded QB in ONE year. Just think what he could do with 2-3 years of professional tutoring and experience.
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All those words are good, but Cam has something that can't be measured. It's internal.
Whatever happened to him at Blinn, it made him focus and want it more than anybody I've ever seen. Need an extra burst of speed to run away from one of the fastest defenders in the league? Reach inside and find it. Realize you need to become a better passer? Completely transform yourself in the span of about two weeks. Need to block out the biggest distraction in the history of college football? Smile! Talent, yes. But 95% of what makes Cam great and why he will blow up the NFL like maybe nobody ever has? It's inside. It's in his head. It's in his heart.
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All those words are good, but Cam has something that can't be measured. It's internal.
Whatever happened to him at Blinn, it made him focus and want it more than anybody I've ever seen. Need an extra burst of speed to run away from one of the fastest defenders in the league? Reach inside and find it. Realize you need to become a better passer? Completely transform yourself in the span of about two weeks. Need to block out the biggest distraction in the history of college football? Smile! Talent, yes. But 95% of what makes Cam great and why he will blow up the NFL like maybe nobody ever has? It's inside. It's in his head. It's in his heart.
Yeah. I was called stupid for using that argument too.
I agree.
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All those words are good, but Cam has something that can't be measured. It's internal.
Whatever happened to him at Blinn, it made him focus and want it more than anybody I've ever seen. Need an extra burst of speed to run away from one of the fastest defenders in the league? Reach inside and find it. Realize you need to become a better passer? Completely transform yourself in the span of about two weeks. Need to block out the biggest distraction in the history of college football? Smile! Talent, yes. But 95% of what makes Cam great and why he will blow up the NFL like maybe nobody ever has? It's inside. It's in his head. It's in his heart.
I'm not sure, but I think it was Chris Carter on the afternoon NFL show on ESPN that basically echoed this. He said that more than the throwing and extra things Cam has been doing, the way he handled himself and performed for his team, his team mates, and his school proved that he had the mental and emotional fortitude to make it as a true leading QB in the NFL. Of course there's other factors, but it shows a focus and leadership factor that could escalate his standing in the draft.
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Yeah. I was called stupid for using that argument too.
I agree.
Well now that I've made it, it can become part of the gospel.
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I said this bullshit when this bullshit wasn't cool...
Fuck the haters...
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Well now that I've made it, it can become part of the gospel.
I twittered
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Put it this way.
You tell Cam that nobody has ever stood on the 50 yard line at Jordan Hare and leaped over the jumbotron and I see him standing on the 50 and looking in that direction? I wouldn't bet my house against him flying right the fuck out of there.
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Put it this way.
You tell Cam that nobody has ever stood on the 50 yard line at Jordan Hare and leaped over the jumbotron and I see him standing on the 50 and looking in that direction? I wouldn't bet my house against him flying right the fuck out of there.
That is exactly the way I feel about him. I had that feeling about him starting with the UK game. Up until then, he was just a pretty good player. From the UK game on, any time he stepped out on the field, I thought there was no way anyone could beat us...
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I honestly have no clue how either of these guys will turn out in the pros but I have a hard time believing that Cam Newton doesn't have more potential to succeed than Mr. Luck. Not saying for one second that Luck won't be the bomb but how can anyone honestly compare the two and say Luck is the better prospect? How much has anyone here actually seen him play. Take a look at a simple comparison.
Andrew Luck 6'4" 235
Passing: 263/372 70.7% 3338 yds 32 TD 8 INT 170.16 PR
Rushing: 453 Yards 3 TD
Cam Newton 6'6" 250
Passing: 185/280 66.1% 2854 yds 30TD 7INT 182.05 PR
Rushing: 1,483 Yards 20TD
A couple of things to note here. Luck plays in the offense minded PAC SUX and in fact threw almost 100 more passes for 32 TD's. Cam throws almost 100 less passes for 30 TDs....against the best defenses, the best league in the country..by a country mile. Cam rushed for 1,483 yards and 20 TDs...again..against the best defenses in the country, while Luck hammered out 3 scores. Yes, I'm well aware that no QB will be able to run in the pros like Cam did this year in college; however, he WILL run a good bit regardless and that threat will make him dangerous in the pros as well. It's not like you can't run at all in the pros from the QB position. It's been done. Ask John Elway, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick etc.
My biggest thing with Cam is looking at what he did in this league and how he improved to become an incredibly well rounded QB in ONE year. Just think what he could do with 2-3 years of professional tutoring and experience.
The argument in the other thread was who is going to be picked first, and who is the better pro prospect. Luck would have been picked first and is still the better pro prospect because ...
1. Luck ran an NFL style offense in college.
2. Spread QB's have not succeeded in the NFL.
3. Luck has done it for three years against D1 teams.
Also, for a typical pro style QB, Luck is very athletic. NFL types don't necessarily care that a QB can run like Mike Vick (or Cam), but they do want them to move in the pocket like Aaron Rodgers which Luck can certainly do.
Personally I think Cam is going to make it in the NFL and be great. Mostly because he is willing to listen and work, something QB's like Vince Young and Mike Vick pre-prison were not willing to do. But if I were needing a QB to come in and play right off in the NFL I would pick Luck.
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That is exactly the way I feel about him. I had that feeling about him starting with the UK game. Up until then, he was just a pretty good player. From the UK game on, any time he stepped out on the field, I thought there was no way anyone could beat us...
I had that feeling while sitting in row 18 Section 41 during ASU. Maybe it was seeing him live. Maybe it was the physical presence he had on the field. Actually I think it was just the effortless running and confidence he seemed to have. I know it was just ASU, but damn. I don't know. I agree, but it didn't happen during the A-day game. It didn't happen listening to the predictions from even AU beat writers. It was seeing him in person, on the field in his natural habitat that it seemed that we might have someone special in orange and blue.
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Turned out that K was spot on with JRussell. I was wondering what anyone couldn't see in the guy with the physical tools, great stats, SEC....
Turned out to be a head case of epic proportions. Cam seems to be the opposite. In reading the article, this guy is ultra-focused on reaching his goals. Russell just took a truckload of $$$ and said fuck it.
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Turned out that K was spot on with JRussell. I was wondering what anyone couldn't see in the guy with the physical tools, great stats, SEC....
Turned out to be a head case of epic proportions. Cam seems to be the opposite. In reading the article, this guy is ultra-focused on reaching his goals. Russell just took a truckload of $$$ and said fuck it got himself some purple drank.
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2000, I would probably agree on Luck being the first pick but my argument would be that Cam has the greater potential because of one particular thing. As you said, Luck has done it for 3 years in a pro style offense. A lot to be said for that. I look at what Cam was able to accomplish in one year in this league and how he progressed overall as a quarterback....and the progressions he should logically make at the next level.
In looking at his stats, Cam had that killer stretch of games agaisnt UK, Arky and LSU where he did it all and firmly placed himself atop the Heisman race. But you look at those games and the one thing that stands out is the rushing totals. He was approaching 200 yards in all 3 games. From that point forward, Auburn played a stretch that included, Ole Miss, Chatt., UGA, Alabama, South Carolina & Oregon. In those games, with the exception of UGA, in which he went for 151 on the ground, he was either bottled up more or Malzahn changed up the strategy. Either way, he threw for 17TDs and only 2 INTs during the stretch run. He had to become a far more complete QB and pulled it off with flying colors.
Again, it's possible that Luck would have been #1, but I wouldn't discount where Cam will be after he goes through his workouts for the pro scouts. Look what we thought of Sam Bradford and what he was able to do when asked to show his stuff.
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It's like I type it, and then you type it a month later...
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It's like I type it, and then you type it a month later...
You don't actually think people read your stuff, do you?
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You don't actually think people read your stuff, do you?
Now your mess'n with a mans mojo Snaggle.
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Now your mess'n with a mans mojo Snaggle.
What? I'm sorry....
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You don't actually think people read your stuff, do you?
Two Shay
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Two Shay
I'll just get the rest of them out of the way...
French benefits...
Pre-Madonna...
Moving on.
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Luck would have gone first over Cam only because Luck's front teeth make him more aerodynamic...
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Luck would have gone first over Cam only because Luck's front teeth make him more aerodynamic...
...and its easier just to feed Luck some grass. The Cammy Cam Juice is much more of an intricate compound.
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I remember one night, back when Tebow was King, and Carl and I were watching
the games the Tebow KnobSlobfest one Saturday, and I was bitching incessantly to the tune of "Why can't WE ever get a QB that the whole country talks about for all the right reasons?!?!? Why can't WE get THAT GUY that is a household name, a game changer, a team leader, a gifted athlete?!?!?"
:)
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Yeah. I was called stupid for using that argument too.
I agree.
Who called you stupid? That could have something to do with it. Cam, by any measure has more potential. Luck? A more polished passer NOW. Why? He's been playing in a NFL style offense in a league where they don't put a premium on running the ball. He's had some good coaching. Cam, unlike some of the predecessors of his physical traits, is coachable, and has that "it" you can't measure. I'm not predicting he's a lock to be a star, as I think where you land in the NFL, how you're asked to progress, and how you're coaches matters a lot. There's much more chance for failure, than success. However, Cam, if he's not handicapped by situation, can be a HUGE star. Luck can be good too, but clearly doesn't possess many of the physical skills Cam does, and hasn't run through hell to win a championship.