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Title: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Jumbo on December 10, 2010, 12:07:32 AM
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Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 12:17:20 AM
Malzahn ain't takin' it.  So, that leaves Franklin and Michigan State's OC.  What about Tony Franklin?  He'd fit in nicely with the Vandy Brass.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 10, 2010, 01:15:23 AM
Malzahn ain't takin' it.  So, that leaves Franklin and Michigan State's OC.  What about Tony Franklin?  He'd fit in nicely with the Vandy Brass.
If Malzahn was in fact offered the job for that much money, he would be nuts not to take it. $3 million to coach at.....Vanderbilt. Where a 6-6 season with a bowl appearance is like any other SEC team going 10+ wins and an appearance in the SECCG? You just can't fuck that up. Chizik didn't even get that much his first year at AU, did he? Malzahn could probably get Vandy to 6 wins their first season.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 01:28:51 AM
If Malzahn was in fact offered the job for that much money, he would be nuts not to take it. $3 million to coach at.....Vanderbilt. Where a 6-6 season with a bowl appearance is like any other SEC team going 10+ wins and an appearance in the SECCG? You just can't fuck that up. Chizik didn't even get that much his first year at AU, did he? Malzahn could probably get Vandy to 6 wins their first season.
He wasn't offered 3 Million.  Also, money ain't everything.  He would get run over at Vandy....but hey, he's making around 3 Million.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 10, 2010, 01:56:27 AM
He wasn't offered 3 Million.  Also, money ain't everything.  He would get run over at Vandy....but hey, he's making around 3 Million.
I doubt he was as well, but if by some miracle he was offered near $3 million? Shiiiit.....

I know money isn't everything, but if you're looking for your first HC gig and a team that is the definition of mediocrity and is pretty happy with a 6 win season offers you that sort of money, you take it imo. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 02:22:00 AM
I doubt he was as well, but if by some miracle he was offered near $3 million? Shiiiit.....

I know money isn't everything, but if you're looking for your first HC gig and a team that is the definition of mediocrity and is pretty happy with a 6 win season offers you that sort of money, you take it imo. 
Then, you'd have to ask yourself if you'd be happy with 4-6 wins every year with a possible 7 win season somewhere stuck in there.  1.5 Million will set you up just as nicely as 3 Million...plus, you won't have to worry about fans burning bags of shit on your front porch or throwing bricks through your windows.  That's just me though.  I think it'd be a mistake and not because I just want to keep him at Auburn. If Arkansas opens up?  Bye, Coach Malzahn, it was Awesome having you here.

I could be wrong, he could take the Coach Chizik approach, get his head caved in at Vandy...learn from all of the mistakes, then take the Arkansas job, if they'd offer.  But he'd better remember, in '06 Coach Chizik was a Red Hot commodity.  Gets beat by the sisters of the poor at a bottom dwelling BIG XII school, everyone forgets about him....except for Jay Jacobs and maybe Pat Dye.  That kinda success story doesn't always happen.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 10, 2010, 03:38:14 AM
Then, you'd have to ask yourself if you'd be happy with 4-6 wins every year with a possible 7 win season somewhere stuck in there.  1.5 Million will set you up just as nicely as 3 Million...plus, you won't have to worry about fans burning bags of shit on your front porch or throwing bricks through your windows.  That's just me though.  I think it'd be a mistake and not because I just want to keep him at Auburn. If Arkansas opens up?  Bye, Coach Malzahn, it was Awesome having you here.

I could be wrong, he could take the Coach Chizik approach, get his head caved in at Vandy...learn from all of the mistakes, then take the Arkansas job, if they'd offer.  But he'd better remember, in '06 Coach Chizik was a Red Hot commodity.  Gets beat by the sisters of the poor at a bottom dwelling BIG XII school, everyone forgets about him....except for Jay Jacobs and maybe Pat Dye.  That kinda success story doesn't always happen.
This probably won't fly all that well here, but without Malzahn, I really don't think Chizik does that well at AU either. But then again, the HC doesn't have to be the smartest one, as long as he surrounds himself with those who are.

I was pretty skeptical about Malzahn when he was hired on, and the '09 season somewhat validated that to me. However, he has certainly proved me wrong. Now, is this a UF type situation where it's going to take a Newton/Tebow caliber QB to make this thing work? I don't know. But I do know that Malzahn knows his shit, and is probably one of the best OCs in the country.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 03:53:20 AM
Being a Top-Tier Coordinator, doesn't always translate to being a good HC....Totally different animal.  And, to try and take on that animal in a conference full of Huge Animals is a mistake, regardless of $$$.  Like I just posted, a Gene Chizik success story doesn't always happen.  If he goes, then I wish him good luck wherever he ends up and thanks for letting me witness Auburn records being broken on, seemingly, a weekly basis.  But, I just don't see him going...just yet.

Rws, you scoffed at me a couple of years ago when I said that to be a great HC you must surround yourself with really good to great assistant coaches....have you finally come to realize that I was correct?
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 10, 2010, 06:01:36 AM
Rws, you scoffed at me a couple of years ago when I said that to be a great HC you must surround yourself with really good to great assistant coaches....have you finally come to realize that I was correct?
I would like to see where I scoffed at that theory. I may have scoffed at the thought that Chizik had surrounded himself with the right assistants, sure. I can definitely see me questioning whether he could succeed with Malzahn and Roof, because there were alot of question marks. I've since been proven wrong on that. But to think that being a great HC has nothing to do with your assistants is stupid. That theory can be applied to most anything in life in the corporate world, coaching, etc. Even in my experience in administration of a fire department, that holds true. My success is somewhat dependant on those under me. That is actually one of my huge driving points with my guys; we all make each other successful.

I understand that you're trying to make yourself look really smart here, but you're going to fail miserably by making something up. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Saniflush on December 10, 2010, 07:16:25 AM
I agree. 
If he did get offered 3 million for Vandy he would be foolish to not take it. 
People forget that he is not scared of a challenge and he turned more than one program in Arkansas into a winner.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AUChizad on December 10, 2010, 08:30:34 AM
A couple of things:

1) $3 million is more than Chizik makes now if you don't count the incentive bonuses. He's making just over 2 now.

2) Maybe coaches are a different breed, but if you pay me $3million to be completely mediocre and have zero pressure to be anything else? Sign me up. No bricks through the window. No booster meddling. And you get a share of the bowl earnings from a conference that sends 10 other teams to a bowl pretty much every year? Pretty much everyone else carries your weight? Sign me up.

On top of that, if he does post a seven win season, he is considered a golden God of coaching. See Mullen at Mississippi State right now, but the expectations would be even lower at Vandy. He could take his pick of coaching jobs just by getting bowl eligible. If that doesn't happen? Oh well, call me Bobby Johnson, cause my ass is collecting $3mil every year for mediocrity until I'm ready to  retire, as if the cushion of that job isn't "retirement" enough.

3) While we're puffing our chests about being right, I believe it was I who was primarily scoffed at for repeating constantly that a head coach is only as good as his assistants. That all a HC is is a CEO that makes sure everyone's doing their jobs, speaks to the media, and gives the final word on whether or not to go for it on fourth down. Any actual coaching is done by assistants. Furthermore, I was ridiculed for saying that I believed Malzahn was the hands-down #1 OC in the country when we hired him. I didn't say that about every assistant coach just to  :wartim:, I only said it about Malzahn. Just wanted to point out again that I was right about pretty much everything, since we're doing that. Except the difference between 3/4 and 3/5.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Token on December 10, 2010, 08:54:32 AM
A couple of things:

1) $3 million is more than Chizik makes now if you don't count the incentive bonuses. He's making just over 2 now.

2) Maybe coaches are a different breed, but if you pay me $3million to be completely mediocre and have zero pressure to be anything else? Sign me up. No bricks through the window. No booster meddling. And you get a share of the bowl earnings from a conference that sends 10 other teams to a bowl pretty much every year? Pretty much everyone else carries your weight? Sign me up.

On top of that, if he does post a seven win season, he is considered a golden God of coaching. See Mullen at Mississippi State right now, but the expectations would be even lower at Vandy. He could take his pick of coaching jobs just by getting bowl eligible. If that doesn't happen? Oh well, call me Bobby Johnson, cause my ass is collecting $3mil every year for mediocrity until I'm ready to  retire, as if the cushion of that job isn't "retirement" enough.

3) While we're puffing our chests about being right, I believe it was I who was primarily scoffed at for repeating constantly that a head coach is only as good as his assistants. That all a HC is is a CEO that makes sure everyone's doing their jobs, speaks to the media, and gives the final word on whether or not to go for it on fourth down. Any actual coaching is done by assistants. Furthermore, I was ridiculed for saying that I believed Malzahn was the hands-down #1 OC in the country when we hired him. I didn't say that about every assistant coach just to  :wartim:, I only said it about Malzahn. Just wanted to point out again that I was right about pretty much everything, since we're doing that. Except the difference between 3/4 and 3/5.

In the end, who really gives a damn about math anyway?
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 10, 2010, 09:01:35 AM
Malzahn would be a fool to go to Vandy.

Unless you factor in that over the next two years:

1.  Florida will be breaking in a new coach.  Will there be growing pains?
2.  Tennessee is still in heavy rebuilding mode.
3.  Kentucky loses their two playmakers that have contributed the most to their success.
4.  Georgia is on the way out. 

It may be the perfect time to make a decent run at Vanderbilt.  I wonder if Malzahn believes that. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on December 10, 2010, 09:13:42 AM
But 7 wins a year at Vandy will get you an offer from any top tier program in the country, especially if you prove you can recruit some top 30 classes there.  And if you step into Vandy at anywhere close to $3 mill a year (which seems ludicrous to me) then what would the raise be at Georgia, Clemson, Michigan, or your other name brand school that will be looking for a new coach in the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: djsimp on December 10, 2010, 09:32:28 AM
The only job opening that I am concerned with right now is the one at Arkansas if for some reason Petrino ended up at Florida. If that were to happen, Malzahn would be gone. I personally believe that the Mullen to Florida has more legs than what the media seems to believe. A lay-up from Meyer of sorts.

Hypothetical question here; if we were to look for a new OC, who would it be? How about Cameron Norcross from Nevada?
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Saniflush on December 10, 2010, 09:44:13 AM

3) While we're puffing our chests about being right, I believe it was I who was primarily scoffed at for repeating constantly that a head coach is only as good as his assistants. That all a HC is is a CEO that makes sure everyone's doing their jobs, speaks to the media, and gives the final word on whether or not to go for it on fourth down. Any actual coaching is done by assistants.

During Tubervilles regime you are completely correct.  I think it depends on the corch.

I don't think there is any denying that Petrino is a hands on offensive coach and I think it goes without saying that GM will be the same way.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on December 10, 2010, 10:01:43 AM
After the fallout from his stint at Arky under Nutt and Broyles, would GM really go back there?  I figured that place might have left a sour taste in his mouth.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 10, 2010, 10:22:04 AM
Y'all... remember.

Vandy DISBANDED their Athletic Department.  They do not even HAVE an Athletic Department now.  The HC reports to some pencil pushing academic bureaucrat in the University President's inner circle.  The HC has no more clout that the Chess Club advisor does.

After being at two REAL football schools, that would suck total ass.

NO WAY does CGM go there.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Saniflush on December 10, 2010, 10:30:59 AM
I do not doubt for one minute that Vandy would love to have him.

I do highly doubt they are willing to come off the scratch to the tune of 3 million.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 10, 2010, 12:11:03 PM
The only job opening that I am concerned with right now is the one at Arkansas if for some reason Petrino ended up at Florida. If that were to happen, Malzahn would be gone.

From what I understand and what I have read, Frank Broyles would have to die first before CGM would be coach at Arkansas.   I believe that was stated on the board. 


Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 10, 2010, 12:14:39 PM
From what I understand and what I have read, Frank Broyles would have to die first before CGM would be coach at Arkansas.   I believe that was stated on the board.

There are some in the NWA that would be happy to make that happen too.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: CCTAU on December 10, 2010, 01:11:34 PM
I do not doubt for one minute that Vandy would love to have him.

I do highly doubt they are willing to come off the scratch to the tune of 3 million.

Hell. I'd do it for $300,000 and a lifetime annual pass to Opryland for me an 30 other people.

Sing me up. YeeHaw. Sign too.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 10, 2010, 01:58:24 PM
I like Gus and all, but I don't see him ever being the coach at Arkansas. I think he has moved on. Yeah, the job shoulda/coulda/woulda had appeal to him at one point in time, based off the Mayan calendar, I don't see this happening.
First, I think Bobby Petrino is  happy where he is. He seems to like NWA, has a good team and will have a better team returning next year. He took a PAY CUT to come to Arkansas. If yall didn't know, you can live like a king on 3 mil a year in Arkansas. We are a 3rd world country by most folks evaluations.
Gus will be a HC. Soon. This may be the year, who knows. The iron is certainly hot right now if he wants to make the move. Vandy may not be the ideal spot, but if they at least double his pay, he has to look. Gus may be the type to Joe Pa the Vandy job. Damn good income. Run a clean program and upset some SEC folks every now and then. Or, the job would be a damn good stepping stone. Lot's of programs won't hire a HC that has no previous HCoaching experience.
I'm kinda leaning towards Gus taking an SEC head coach job this year. Vandy, MSU, or Florida. In that order. He's gonna be both of our enemies after yall beat the shit out of Oregon. He'll be an enemy I respect.
OH, yeah. If Gus jumps, Frazier is probably jumping with him. So he will have a QB already schooled in his offense to hep thangs. Dyer may have a sick grandmother he needs to keep tabs on, too. Think about it. Gus has been schooled under some of the best.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Godfather on December 10, 2010, 02:00:31 PM
Funny what a shitty record one year does to your name.  Where's Will Muschamp's name in any of these coaching vacancies?
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Saniflush on December 10, 2010, 02:01:29 PM
He's going to georgi.....wait nevermind.
They kept their shitty coach.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: djsimp on December 10, 2010, 02:13:48 PM
Guy on the woopiggy mentioned Tubbs to Arkansas if the Gators got Petrino. How f'n weird would that be, especially considering.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on December 10, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
Quote
OH, yeah. If Gus jumps, Frazier is probably jumping with him. So he will have a QB already schooled in his offense to hep thangs. Dyer may have a sick grandmother he needs to keep tabs on, too. Think about it. Gus has been schooled under some of the best.

I hate you right now.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 10, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
Guy on the woopiggy mentioned Tubbs to Arkansas if the Gators got Petrino. How f'n weird would that be, especially considering.
Tubby ain't coming through that door.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 10, 2010, 02:26:31 PM
I hate you right now.
In my best Joe Friday voice."Just the facts ma'am". Yall can keep Moseley. Lagniappe.
I need to shower. BRB.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: djsimp on December 10, 2010, 02:32:55 PM
Tubby ain't coming through that door.

Personally I think thats a long shot too but would be a shocker, and not a 3 finger either.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 10, 2010, 02:47:26 PM
Personally I think thats a long shot too but would be a shocker, and not a 3 finger either.
There's some bad shit brewing on the Hill. Be aware. Are we not the second best SEC team this year? Nutt is not even going to a bowl game. The only team in the SEC west in thaT POSITIION. Fuck it, I ain't going back. Who is/was the Nutt apologist/supporter here? Barrister, IIRC.
If I am ever in the area and get a speeding ticket. I'm calling Wes.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: wesfau2 on December 10, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
There's some bad shit brewing on the Hill. Be aware. Are we not the second best SEC team this year? Nutt is not even going to a bowl game. The only team in the SEC west in thaT POSITIION. Fuck it, I ain't going back. Who is/was the Nutt apologist/supporter here? Barrister, IIRC.
If I am ever in the area and get a speeding ticket. I'm calling Wes.

Motherfucker, if you're in the area and that's the only reason you call I'll be pissed.

Booze and smoke on me if you make it to the panhandle of Florida.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: chinook on December 10, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
Tubby ain't coming through that door.

why not...duck huntin' and recruitin' all in the same state.  doable.  i hear the bbq isn't bad either.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 10, 2010, 03:41:48 PM
I do not doubt for one minute that Vandy would love to have him.

I do highly doubt they are willing to come off the scratch to the tune of 3 million.
Who knows? They are the richest school in the SEC. They have more money than Alabama, Auburn, and LSU combined. Also, the chancellor who disbanded the athletic department is no longer at Vanderbilt. It's the perfect situation for CGM. Low expectations, no pressure, a mediocre season makes you a God there. Plus, his offense is perfect for equalizing talent gaps. I could really see him fitting in there. I just don't think he's going to get a Miami or Florida type job his first time out. And really, what's better? A Louisiana Tech type job, or Vandy? Maybe they're the same, I don't know. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 10, 2010, 03:50:07 PM
Gus coaches at Auburn.  He shall remain for another year.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 06:05:08 PM
Sounds like the bammers are tired of watching Coach Malzahn at Auburn, breakin' records at a breakneck speed.  That tells me, that when he turns down the openings that are coming at him, the bammers will be disappointed once again.  I can't say this enough, I've ABSOLUTELY ENJOYED this season, especially towards the end.  There's nothing like being Undefeated, having two players garner some Major Awards and having your Hated rival be torn apart at the seams over ALL of the success of your favorite team.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Token on December 10, 2010, 06:20:30 PM
Where exactly are seams on human flesh anyway?
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 10, 2010, 06:33:57 PM
Where exactly are seams on human flesh anyway?

It's in your Anus....hence being "Butt Hurt".  Just listen to Cecil "Butt" Hurt, you'll be able to hear his seams ripping when talking about Cam and Auburn.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Godfather on December 11, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Funny what a shitty record one year does to your name.  Where's Will Muschamp's name in any of these coaching vacancies?

....and I'm stunned...

ESPN Reporting Muschamp new Gator Head Coach
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: jmar on December 11, 2010, 09:02:52 PM
....and I'm stunned...

ESPN Reporting Muschamp new Gator Head Coach
This is a shocker.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 11, 2010, 09:27:11 PM
Who wants Petrino? His buyout is only 18 million dollars for each of the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 12, 2010, 07:53:22 PM
This is a shocker.
Apparently it has become clear to Muschamp that Mack Brown isn't quite finished running Texas into the ground. Muschamp's name has seemingly been connected to every halfway decent HC opening the past 2 years. It may be easier to win at Texas, but I think UF is in better shape at this point. I can't blame him for not wanting to take over at Texas until it is in complete shambles.

As far as Malzahn goes, it has nothing to do with "dem bammers, dey skurred!" It's common sense. If Vanderbilt is offering around $3 million for your first time HC gig, you are an offensive genius, and your offense is specifically designed to do more with lesser talent than the other team, it's almost a no brainer. You have to start somewhere, and that's a decent stepping stone. As an Alabama fan, I'm not worried about Malzahn's offense. Is it a good offense? You bet your ass. However, I think Alabama has a pretty good bead on what Malzahn does, and how to defend it. We pretty much put a clinic on in the first half of this year. Same thing for the last 3 quarters of '09.  In this year's IB, AU didn't really do anything different on offense in the second half than they did in the first. AU simply executed near perfection in the second half, and had the talent to pull it out, and that was the difference.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on December 12, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
As an Alabama fan, I'm not worried about Malzahn's offense. Is it a good offense? You bet your ass. However, I think Alabama has a pretty good bead on what Malzahn does, and how to defend it. We pretty much put a clinic on in the first half of this year. Same thing for the last 3 quarters of '09.  In this year's IB, AU didn't really do anything different on offense in the second half than they did in the first. AU simply executed near perfection in the second half, and had the talent to pull it out, and that was the difference.

Adjustments within Gus' offense was made.  It wasn't just pure talent.  If it was just pure talent, Alabama wouldn't have been beating that ass like they were the first half.  Alabama didn't have a fucking clue the second half.  You don't come back from 24-0, if bammuh coaches have a good "bead" on what Malzahn was doing. 

I can understand you saying this though if it helps you feel better about it though.  Offensive and Defensive decisions and adjustments owned Alabama for the latter half of the game.  Not just purely better execution.  Execution helped, but adjustments were the key to the win.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: boartitz on December 12, 2010, 08:25:43 PM
Adjustments within Gus' offense was made.  It wasn't just pure talent.  If it was just pure talent, Alabama wouldn't have been beating that ass like they were the first half.  Alabama didn't have a fucking clue the second half.  You don't come back from 24-0, if bammuh coaches have a good "bead" on what Malzahn was doing. 

I can understand you saying this though if it helps you feel better about it though.  Offensive and Defensive decisions and adjustments owned Alabama for the latter half of the game.  Not just purely better execution.  Execution helped, but adjustments were the key to the win.
Yall were just fucking wif them the first half, letting them get that big head invincible bammer head on before yall kicked they asses. Quit pussy footing around. :)
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on December 12, 2010, 08:28:50 PM
Yall were just fucking wif them the first half, letting them get that big head invincible bammer head on before yall kicked they asses. Quit pussy footing around. :)

Maximum effect if you draw in the toothless masses and let them all down in one crushing blow.  I like it. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 12, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
Adjustments within Gus' offense was made.  It wasn't just pure talent.  If it was just pure talent, Alabama wouldn't have been beating that ass like they were the first half.  Alabama didn't have a fucking clue the second half.  You don't come back from 24-0, if bammuh coaches have a good "bead" on what Malzahn was doing. 

I can understand you saying this though if it helps you feel better about it though.  Offensive and Defensive decisions and adjustments owned Alabama for the latter half of the game.  Not just purely better execution.  Execution helped, but adjustments were the key to the win.
Ok, what specific strategic adjustments were made?

On defense, AU blitzed more in the second half. The DL got alot more push. On offense, AU didn't really do anything different than the first half. They simply did it better. They didn't go out there throwing the ball deep every play. They didn't abandon the run. Cam Newton started playing like a mad man. That's the biggest difference I could see. I don't need something to hold to "make me feel better". I'm not sore about losing. I'm sure Malzahn made some sort of tweaks. I'm not saying they just took the first half plan and said "Hey, we're going to do this over again." All I'm saying is they didn't do anything completely different in the second half than they did in the first.

Not trying to attack Malzahn here, and not trying to say he did a shitty job at all. I simply think that the players on the field had more to do with the win than any offensive adjustment, most specifically Cam Newton. For that matter, I think alot of people have a pretty good bead on what Malzahn does. His offense is fairly simplistic, and isn't based on anything really new or groundbreaking in college football. There is just a disconnect between knowing how to stop it, and actually doing it.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on December 12, 2010, 09:21:20 PM
Ok, what specific strategic adjustments were made?

On defense, AU blitzed more in the second half. The DL got alot more push. On offense, AU didn't really do anything different than the first half. They simply did it better. They didn't go out there throwing the ball deep every play. They didn't abandon the run. Cam Newton started playing like a mad man. That's the biggest difference I could see. I don't need something to hold to "make me feel better". I'm not sore about losing. I'm sure Malzahn made some sort of tweaks. I'm not saying they just took the first half plan and said "Hey, we're going to do this over again." All I'm saying is they didn't do anything completely different in the second half than they did in the first.

Not trying to attack Malzahn here, and not trying to say he did a shitty job at all. I simply think that the players on the field had more to do with the win than any offensive adjustment, most specifically Cam Newton. For that matter, I think alot of people have a pretty good bead on what Malzahn does. His offense is fairly simplistic, and isn't based on anything really new or groundbreaking in college football. There is just a disconnect between knowing how to stop it, and actually doing it.


It's like your last two posts were written by two to four different people that don't get along with each other.  You're all over the place. 

Just believe whatever you want to believe.  I don't really care. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: GH2001 on December 12, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
Ok, what specific strategic adjustments were made?

On defense, AU blitzed more in the second half. The DL got alot more push. On offense, AU didn't really do anything different than the first half. They simply did it better. They didn't go out there throwing the ball deep every play. They didn't abandon the run. Cam Newton started playing like a mad man. That's the biggest difference I could see. I don't need something to hold to "make me feel better". I'm not sore about losing. I'm sure Malzahn made some sort of tweaks. I'm not saying they just took the first half plan and said "Hey, we're going to do this over again." All I'm saying is they didn't do anything completely different in the second half than they did in the first.

Not trying to attack Malzahn here, and not trying to say he did a shitty job at all. I simply think that the players on the field had more to do with the win than any offensive adjustment, most specifically Cam Newton. For that matter, I think alot of people have a pretty good bead on what Malzahn does. His offense is fairly simplistic, and isn't based on anything really new or groundbreaking in college football. There is just a disconnect between knowing how to stop it, and actually doing it.

You do know some records were set LAST year as well without Cam right? With Chris "Limp Dick" Todd.

Just saying....Gus is doing something right, no matter who the players are. Look what he did at Tulsa.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 12, 2010, 09:41:17 PM
You do know some records were set LAST year as well without Cam right? With Chris "Limp Dick" Todd.

Just saying....Gus is doing something right, no matter who the players are. Look what he did at Tulsa.
200% agree. Like I've said before, I've been proven totally wrong on him. I didn't think he would make it in the SEC, and he has given me a resounding "fuck you" to prove me wrong, to the extent that I think he would be an excellent fit as Vandy's HC. My point was to Prowler's "dem bammers scared!" notion. Am I going to shed a tear if he goes to Vandy? No. The past 2 games were damn good games, and it's not like I'm going to cry like a bitch if we lose a good game.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: GH2001 on December 12, 2010, 09:44:04 PM
200% agree. Like I've said before, I've been proven totally wrong on him. I didn't think he would make it in the SEC, and he has given me a resounding "fuck you" to prove me wrong, to the extent that I think he would be an excellent fit as Vandy's HC. My point was to Prowler's "dem bammers scared!" notion. Am I going to shed a tear if he goes to Vandy? No. The past 2 games were damn good games, and it's not like I'm going to cry like a bitch if we lose a good game.

I would just have to wonder, in his shoes - "how the hell am I going to stock a roster full of quality spread ready players at this southern Ivy League school?". Notre Dame has had this same problem the last 20 years. So has Duke.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: RWS on December 12, 2010, 09:46:41 PM
I would just have to wonder, in his shoes - "how the hell am I going to stock a roster full of quality spread ready players at this southern Ivy League school?". Notre Dame has had this same problem the last 20 years. So has Duke.
With Malzahn, he doesn't have to have ridiculous talent. Look what he did at Tulsa. Granted, they might not have had the highest quality opponents, but they put up some ridiculous numbers, and a shit ton of points.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AU_Tiger_2000 on December 12, 2010, 10:44:43 PM
Ok, what specific strategic adjustments were made?

On defense, AU blitzed more in the second half. The DL got alot more push. On offense, AU didn't really do anything different than the first half. They simply did it better. They didn't go out there throwing the ball deep every play. They didn't abandon the run. Cam Newton started playing like a mad man. That's the biggest difference I could see. I don't need something to hold to "make me feel better". I'm not sore about losing. I'm sure Malzahn made some sort of tweaks. I'm not saying they just took the first half plan and said "Hey, we're going to do this over again." All I'm saying is they didn't do anything completely different in the second half than they did in the first.

1. They quit playing man up in secondary so it became more difficult to isolate Julio one on one.
2. The quit trying run the ball up the middle and quit running the slow developing plays.
3. Started throwing the ball to Squirrel after the play action, he had two receptions for 24 yards in the 2nd half; prior to that he had 2 for the year. 
4. Doing the above meant a LB had to honor him out of the backfield, opening up the run for Newton after the fake, or opening the middle of the field for a WR on a cross.

Those are what I could think of off the top of my head, and I haven't seen the game since I watched it live with about 5-6 beers in me.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Saniflush on December 13, 2010, 07:19:28 AM
I would just have to wonder, in his shoes - "how the hell am I going to stock a roster full of quality spread ready players at this southern Ivy League school?". Notre Dame has had this same problem the last 20 years. So has Duke.

I got two words for you .

Princeton Basketball.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Godfather on December 13, 2010, 09:33:03 AM
I got two words for you .

Princeton Basketball.
I have two more for you:

Spanish Fly
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 11:27:02 AM
One of the specific adjustments Auburn made was having Ziemba actually block Upshaw rather than getting run over like an Alabama armadillo.  That tends to help your offense run just a tad smoother.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Token on December 13, 2010, 11:33:25 AM
One of the specific adjustments Auburn made was having Ziemba actually block Upshaw rather than getting run over like an Alabama armadillo.  That tends to help your offense run just a tad smoother.

Chizik should have forced Ziemba to get a haircut before the game.  Upshaw has a history of dominating people with long blond hair. 
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: AUJarhead on December 13, 2010, 11:38:39 AM
Chizik should have forced Ziemba to get a haircut before the game.

He looks like a roadie for the Allman Brothers.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 13, 2010, 11:41:01 AM
Chizik should have forced Ziemba to get a haircut before the game.  Upshaw has a history of dominating people with long blond hair.

Only when they ask for it.
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: Godfather on December 13, 2010, 11:44:16 AM
He didn't want Ziemba's parents suing Auburn
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: DnATL on December 13, 2010, 11:26:03 PM
I got two words for you .

Princeton Basketball.
You love the back door cut
Title: Re: Gus offered 3 million to be Vandy's Hc?
Post by: The Prowler on December 14, 2010, 12:59:05 AM
Chizik should have forced Ziemba to get a haircut before the game.  Upshaw has a history of dominating people with long blond hair. 
I disagree.  Upshaw couldn't even chokeslam the 120lb female.