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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on November 09, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
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Two sources who recruit for Mississippi State said that Cecil Newton and his son, quarterback Cam Newton, admitted in separate phone conversations to a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year.
Mississippi State compliance officials relayed the alleged conversations to Southeastern Conference compliance officials in January, according to two other sources close to the football program.
Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person that would provide more specifics, the source said.
After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret about his change of commitment from Mississippi State, stating that his father Cecil had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."
The NCAA is investigating allegations surrounding the Newtons in regards to the recruiting process. Cam Newton, who is having a Heisman-caliber season for No. 2 Auburn, declined comment.
From Joe Schad on ESPN.com
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I'm not so much worried about this.
If it's true that Mullen is pushing this shit, then it would make sense for Miss State "sources" to claim that the Newtons were looking for money.
I really wish all of this would go away.
One way or the other. Either come out and end this dream season by making Cam ineligible, or come out and say "Shut the fuck up. It's over. Cam is eligible end of story."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/91502/new-cam-newton-allegations
This shit was on ESPN Radio as well.
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This has spun out of control.
I can't even begin to describe how stressed out I am over this stupid debacle.
The NCAA needs to do something now. Right now.
This shit was reported in January, yet are we to believe that the NCAA hasn't said one word about Cam's eligibility? Auburn claims Cam was cleared. No problem. He's been playing.
But now ESPN (and the rest of the sports world) is trying their damndest to make everyone think that Cam is this shady character who is bent on taking money from these innocent schools and big bad ole Auburn decided to take him up on it.
The amount of stories being published in less than a week is absurd. The NCAA really needs to get a handle on this because this entire season is now being shaped by a story that is backed by unnamed sources.
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AAANNNNDDDD FURTHERMORE
Are we really to believe that after Cam Newton asked for an exorbitant amount of money from Mississippi State and was turned down, that Miss State immediately stopped recruiting him and sent the illegal recruiting activities directly to NCAA compliance?
AND THEN Cam Newton was stupid enough to call Miss State and say, "Hey, I know you guys won't have anything to do with illegal recruiting and dealing out money for players, but I just wanted to apologize for committing to Auburn. The money was just too much."
I mean are we really to believe that's how stupid Cam Newton is? Have you seen this guy talk to reporters? He's a bright kid. I doubt he called Miss State up and emotionally said, "Auburn paid me to play. I'm sorry. I have to go there. Boo hoo."
Jesus fucking Christ I need a glass of bourbon and good night's sleep. This shit is ridiculous.
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Again...all of this was reported to the SEC AND the NCAA back in Jan. Auburn also knew about it, in Jan. If there was any.....ANY credibility to these acusations, we wouldn't be saying Cam for Heisman right now. We would be talking about Barrett Trotter for Heisman. End of story.
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So this shit has the fucking FBI involved now?
WTF over
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/09/fbi-sniffing-around-cam-newton-situation/
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So this shit has the fucking FBI involved now?
WTF over
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/09/fbi-sniffing-around-cam-newton-situation/
Welcome to 2 hours ago, lol.
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my bad
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Again...all of this was reported to the SEC AND the NCAA back in Jan. Auburn also knew about it, in Jan. If there was any.....ANY credibility to these acusations, we wouldn't be saying Cam for Heisman right now. We would be talking about Barrett Trotter for Heisman. End of story.
I think the only thing that would worry me is that it's 11 months later and the NCAA hasn't put a big "BULLSHIT!" stamp on this whole thing. Why isn't this whole thing done and over with? The good side to that is if all of this is total bullshit (most likely scenario), the NCAA will be able to tell the world how thoroughly it was investigated, and have plenty of proof that Cam and his family are innocent.
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I think the only thing that would worry me is that it's 11 months later and the NCAA hasn't put a big "BULLSHIT!" stamp on this whole thing. Why isn't this whole thing done and over with? The good side to that is if all of this is total bullshit (most likely scenario), the NCAA will be able to tell the world how thoroughly it was investigated, and have plenty of proof that Cam and his family are innocent.
Because it's the NCAA.
It took 5 years to finish the Reggie Bush case which was pretty cut and dry.
They always make sure they dot their t's and cross their i's. Know what I'm saying?
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Because it's the NCAA.
It took 5 years to finish the Reggie Bush case which was pretty cut and dry.
They always make sure they dot their t's and cross their i's. Know what I'm saying?
True, but look at the final outcome of that case. And I know alot of people are saying "Well, if AU is playing Cam, he must be innocent." But, if he isn't, AU will be pretty fucked anyway, so I don't see what vacating some wins will matter.
I honestly hope all of this isn't true. I thought this would have gone away by now, but it seems to be getting deeper and deeper every day. Given our past issues with the NCAA, it would be nice for misery to have a little company, sure. But it's not like I hate AU and/or it's fans, so I would really hate to see something like this happen to the actual fans.
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IF the SEC knew about this in Jan...and it appears to say they did...then once again, Auburn is in the clear, or the SEC allowed Auburn to recruit, sign, and play a player that they knew to be ineligible to play. I want to see the substance of these recorded calls.
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IF the SEC knew about this in Jan...and it appears to say they did...then once again, Auburn is in the clear, or the SEC allowed Auburn to recruit, sign, and play a player that they knew to be ineligible to play. I want to see the substance of these recorded calls.
They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.
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They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.
Just keep it down home. :classic:
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They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.
I thought it was taped at the end of one of Mullens' mix tapes?
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For you lawyers, let me ask you a question. If anyone, including MSU officials, recorded a phone conversation (wire tap) without the other persons consent or without a Judge order, is this not a Federal offense? If it was a Judge order, then wouldn't this have had law enforcement involved in this? If that is the case, MSU would not have been able to withhold these tapes. They shouldn't been able to anyway if they had really turned over everything to the SEC and NCAA back in January. This would be an NCAA violation. If there were tapes, then no way in hell would the SEC or Auburn let Cam play. If there was consent on recording the conversation, no way in hell would the Newtons have said these things. Also, I thought only coaches could recruit players. The latest bs implicates that MSU was letting someone outside the coaching staff do recruiting. Sounds like another NCAA violation.
This shit needs to end, fast. Either Auburn is in deep shit or MSU is. In my opinion, it sounds like it would be MSU and they are trying to do as much damage as possible before things really come out. Hell they probably didn't think that the FBI was really gonna get involved and also probably thought the NCAA would drag their feet. By time the NCAA would have finished up, they would have already fucked up Auburn and Cam Newton; and Dan Mullen would have already left for another school.
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I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.
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I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.
Well I don't think there are tapes either, but yes it was reported that their are audio tapes.
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I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.
No...Mullen was pissed, because they taped over his Nickelback collection.
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Is Lamichael James gonna have to choke a bitch to get his Heisman?
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No...Mullen was pissed, because they taped over his Nickelback collection.
This is how you remind me.
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Is Lamichael James gonna have to choke a bitch to get his Heisman?
He had already told her twice!
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This is how you remind me.
He's tired of standing in line for kids he'll never get in (to MSU)
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He's tired of standing in line for kids he'll never get in (to MSU)
I figured you out of Msu.
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No...Mullen was pissed, because they taped over his Nickelback collection.
Like a paperback novel.....
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In answer to the question, the last time I had any dealings or looked into the issue of taping a call, the rule was it is fine as long as one party to the conversation is aware it's being taped. I think you get into problems where you're recording the communications of others without their knowledge.
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In answer to the question, the last time I had any dealings or looked into the issue of taping a call, the rule was it is fine as long as one party to the conversation is aware it's being taped. I think you get into problems where you're recording the communications of others without their knowledge.
Wouldn't the person recording the conversation be one party?
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Wouldn't the person recording the conversation be one party?
Yes, but whatever REC member found out about it is now the second party.
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To clarify, I can record you and vice-versa withou the other's knowledge. I can't record you hitting on a 13 year old girl scout.
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To clarify, I can record you and vice-versa withou the other's knowledge. I can't record you hitting on a 13 year old girl scout.
As long as you aren't a government official or doing it under the orders of a government official, it doesn't matter.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5786486
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In this link, you can read the article from Chris Low and watch the video of Joe Schad on ESPN. Basically, these so called recorded conversations are legit, that is if they really exist.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5786315
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In this link, you can read the article from Chris Low and watch the video of Joe Schad on ESPN. Basically, these so called recorded conversations are legit, that is if they really exist.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5786315
Sources told ESPN.com the man who said he was representing the Newtons was Kenny Rogers, who played in the 1980s for Mississippi State alongside Bond.
"I'm not going to entertain something that took place not three months, not six months, not a year but two years ago," Cam Newton said. "I'm not going to sit up here and say anything about it, whether I did or did not do it, because I don't want to beat a dead horse talking about it. It's not going to affect me any way, shape or fashion."
Ain't that some bullshit? Michael Moore-style taking shit completely out of context and juxtaposing them in such a way that they appear related.
Cam's comments about "Not saying whether he did or didn't do it" was in the context of plagiarizing a college paper, NOT the pay-for-play shit...
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"More than a scholarship" could mean a lot of things no proof of money.
"The Money being too much" could mean a lot as well. Maybe it is travel, maybe it is something else.
Vague statements, sounds bad, but in a court of law it wouldn't hold water. Of course this is the court of public opinion and the NCAA.
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Anyone have Schad's email?
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AGAIN... where has any "news outlet" reported the words "THERE ARE TAPES"??? What have I missed? If there were tapes - actual recordings - no WAY does Cam play this season. If there are tapes - actual recordings - then why wouldn't those have been turned over in January? That would pretty much be concrete proof right there of impropriety.
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If there are tapes - actual recordings - then why wouldn't those have been turned over in January?
Cause they probably had not been recorded yet.
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AGAIN... where has any "news outlet" reported the words "THERE ARE TAPES"??? What have I missed? If there were tapes - actual recordings - no WAY does Cam play this season. If there are tapes - actual recordings - then why wouldn't those have been turned over in January? That would pretty much be concrete proof right there of impropriety.
I heard a news update on Jox this morning with Joe Schad saying out loud, "There are tapes that have the Newtons admitting...blahblahblah."
So besides that, pretty much nothing.
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Cause they probably had not been recorded yet.
Will Cam's smile come through on tape?
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Cause they probably had not been recorded yet.
OK... good point. And now THS says Joe Schad reported on JOX that there are tapes. But I have YET to read this reported anywhere. Chiz and Jacobs came out yesterday and said all is well. When did the alleged...
OH FUCK IT! Just FUCK IT! Never mind!!!
I am so sick of this.
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Anyone have Schad's email?
So, I guess you have noticed ESPN hides the shit out of contacting these idiots huh? I would love to have it too.
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Will Cam's smile come through on tape?
just his gums. he's got really big gums.
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Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person that would provide more specifics, the source said.
After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret that he wouldn't be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father Cecil had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."
Where does this article say "tapes"?
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Do the tapes look like this?
(http://agreenfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cassette-tape.jpg)
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Do the tapes look like this?
(http://agreenfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cassette-tape.jpg)
Yeah, MSU has only the highest quality equipment...
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This is what they meant.
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Schad also said Texas to the pac 10 was imminent even though Jason Whitlock had real evidence that wasn't true. Kirky Herbfag also said Miles to Meat Chicken was done....take it to the bank.
More and more credible journalists are starting to think this is an elaborate scheme cooked up by Mullen and Msu, and are seeing through the crap....
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Yeah, MSU has only the highest quality equipment...
Come on it msu:
(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww287/COMPU-AUDIO/2010-NOV/RT-707/_MG_0108.jpg)
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Another question -
Does Miss State record every conversation with every recruit?
Do they have Cam Newton's number on caller ID and then hit the record button?
I'd like to hear the conversations between Miss State and Chris Relf.
Miss State is a public institution, correct? Therefore, the state of Mississippi could demand to see their files, correct?
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This is what they meant.
more like this
(http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/graphics/scotch_tape2a.jpg)
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Another question -
Does Miss State record every conversation with every recruit?
Do they have Cam Newton's number on caller ID and then hit the record button?
I'd like to hear the conversations between Miss State and Chris Relf.
Miss State is a public institution, correct? Therefore, the state of Mississippi could demand to see their files, correct?
Take it a step further.
FOIA.
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Every time espn radio comes on Newton's the lead story. Naming Msu recruiters as the source of the pay for play, if this is true, how would Cam be to play if this was turned over to the Sec in January? 11 months later the story gets out, this sounds like such bullshit.
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Like wench said, I don't believe there are any "tapes". No where is it printed, even in the ESPN story you can see online Schad uses the word allegedly like the word the.
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Another question -
Does Miss State record every conversation with every recruit?
Do they have Cam Newton's number on caller ID and then hit the record button?
This, motherfuckers. THIS. Either play the fucking "tapes" for the media and settle this shit, or SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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This, motherfuckers. THIS. Either play the fucking "tapes" for the media and settle this shit, or SHUT THE FUCK UP!
And if they do have tapes can we take up a collection to get those motherfuckers into the digital age?
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And if they do have tapes can we take up a collection to get those motherphukers into the digital age?
Even Houston Nutt got off VHS to DVD's
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Even Houston Nutt got off VHS to DVD's
That's just cause I tell ya he loved the format.
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My hatred is started to shift towards Joe Schad.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?callsign=ESPNRADIO&autoplay=1&id=5787627
My people to kill list:
1. Thayer Evans
2. Joe Schad
3. Pete Thamel
4. Pat Forde
5. John Bond
6. Kenny Rogers
7. Dan Mullen
8. Urban Meyer
9. Dennis Dodd
Who am I forgetting?
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Chad, is that the interview where he actually used the word "tapes"?
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My hatred is started to shift towards Joe Schad.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?callsign=ESPNRADIO&autoplay=1&id=5787627
My people to kill list:
1. Thayer Evans
2. Joe Schad
3. Pete Thamel
4. Pat Forde
5. John Bond
6. Kenny Rogers
7. Dan Mullen
8. Urban Meyer
9. Dennis Dodd
Who am I forgetting?
Nick Saban?
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Chad, is that the interview where he actually used the word "tapes"?
I don't think so. I'm just tired of seeing his face and making this "his case".
When asked "Why now", he says "The reason that the stories are coming out now, is that it was only last month that the NCAA felt that it had sufficient information to pursue a complete and thorough investigation of Cam Newton's recruiting process. So, even though there have been many questions asked in the coaching community and also rumors throughout the sport, leading back to January about why did Cam Newton switch his commitment from Mississippi State to Auburn, and make no mistake, he was at one point committed to Mississippi State and former Florida offensive coordinator Dan Mullen, it was only recently that Cecil Newton turned over those documents to the NCAA."
1) Was he ever committed to MSU? I don't remember that. I remember it being a tight race between the two of us.
2) I thought Cecil handed over the documents back in July? That's what was being reported before.
3) What is this "sufficient information" that came up last month? Cecil's documents? Again, those were turned over in July.
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My hatred is started to shift towards Joe Schad.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?callsign=ESPNRADIO&autoplay=1&id=5787627
My people to kill list:
1. Thayer Evans
2. Joe Schad
3. Pete Thamel
4. Pat Forde
5. John Bond
6. Kenny Rogers
7. Dan Mullen
8. Urban Meyer
9. Dennis Dodd
Who am I forgetting?
10. Nick Saban
11. The REC
12. Dude from CBS that actually reported and broke the story that Cam had 13 parking violations while at UF
13. Reece Davis
14. Lou Holtz <--- just b/c I can't stand him.
Does that help?
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My people to kill list:
1. Thayer Evans
2. Joe Schad
3. Pete Thamel
4. Pat Forde
5. John Bond
6. Kenny Rogers
7. Dan Mullen
8. Urban Meyer
9. Dennis Dodd
Who am I forgetting?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:HCR1pA1JecUcDM::www.arguewitheveryone.com/entertainment/153323-dog-bounty-hunter-going-after-actor-randy-quaid-wife.html&t=1&usg=AFrqEzct9tW2LuRQzaXY2V0VSV4KsQi5eg)
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In answer to the question, the last time I had any dealings or looked into the issue of taping a call, the rule was it is fine as long as one party to the conversation is aware it's being taped. I think you get into problems where you're recording the communications of others without their knowledge.
Yep.
And the only time I've ever seen calls recorded was when one party was trying to catch the other doing something wrong or saying something wrong (usually after having some culpability themselves), and usually being baited in some way to make the incriminating statements. Often seen in divorce cases where one tries to make everything the other says something threatening or to mean something other than what was said.
There's something fishy to begin with in recording calls between recruiters (coaches) and a recruit.