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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: wesfau2 on October 19, 2010, 11:12:53 AM
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Florida Players Tell Prospect They’re Unhappy In Gainesville
October 18th, 2010 â•‘ Posted By: Josh Ward â•‘
Florida didn’t make its best sales pitch to Vincent Dallas when he took his official visit to Gainesville on Oct. 9.
The athlete from Cedar Grove High School in Ellenwood, Ga., committed to Tennessee over Florida on Friday.
It appears Dallas’ trip to Florida helped solidify UT as his top school. Dallas said he asked several of the younger Florida players if they were happy with their decision to attend Florida. The reports weren’t positive.
“They were just saying they aren’t happy and they don’t think Florida is the right place for them,†Dallas said.
Dallas took two unofficial trips to UT during the summer but hasn’t visited officially. He plans to do so in December.
Dallas said he didn’t need to visit UT again to decide he preferred the Vols over Florida.
“I had a good time down in Florida, but I couldn’t really enjoy myself,†he said. “All I could think about was Tennessee.â€
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6557118 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6557118)
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Damn, thats gonna leave a mark. I am curious to see what type of damage control will be used to clean this up. Tis isn't good for Mr. Urban.
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I would imagine this isn't the best time to be bringing top recruits in for a visit. I've certainly never been on that end of it and don't know what all a recruit goes through on an official visit. Do they just tour the facilities and get fed well, or do they hook em' up with a couple of hot co-eds? Townhall, wasn't that part of your gig at AU? Please to be shedding the light.
But, if you visit while a traditional (Recent tradition) national power is hitting the skids for the first time in a while, I wouldn't think the overall atmosphere would be real positive. If you suck, like UK or MSU, you can sell playing time and instant big man on campus stature. If you're looking at the big time program and being in the national limelight...and said program looks like a sinking ship with a bunch of rats jumping overboard, you might not get a warm fuzzy on your visit. Just sayin'.
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He didn't have moar starz. Solid crutin' move.
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MSU fans had better hope that Coarch Meyers turns it around quickly.
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Well I would be willing to bet that Urban, any coach for that matter, would be thinking his players are talking down their own program.
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MSU fans had better hope that Coarch Meyers turns it around quickly.
And Boom goes the dynamite!
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Florida Players Tell Prospect They’re Unhappy In Gainesville
October 18th, 2010 â•‘ Posted By: Josh Ward â•‘
Florida didn’t make its best sales pitch to Vincent Dallas when he took his official visit to Gainesville on Oct. 9.
The athlete from Cedar Grove High School in Ellenwood, Ga., committed to Tennessee over Florida on Friday.
It appears Dallas’ trip to Florida helped solidify UT as his top school. Dallas said he asked several of the younger Florida players if they were happy with their decision to attend Florida. The reports weren’t positive.
“They were just saying they aren’t happy and they don’t think Florida is the right place for them,†Dallas said.
Dallas took two unofficial trips to UT during the summer but hasn’t visited officially. He plans to do so in December.
Dallas said he didn’t need to visit UT again to decide he preferred the Vols over Florida.
“I had a good time down in Florida, but I couldn’t really enjoy myself,†he said. “All I could think about was Tennessee.â€
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6557118 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=6557118)
Losing a few games post Tebow...not a sign of problems within.
That...THAT is signs of problems within!
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Losing a few games post Tebow...not a sign of problems within.
That...THAT is signs of problems within!
FWIW, a gaytor friend claims that the UT commit started this rumor and that there is no truth to it whatsoever.
He has no source.
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FWIW, a gaytor friend claims that the UT commit started this rumor and that there is no truth to it whatsoever.
He has no source.
Always possible...can't ever completely trust what any croot says. Still if true...bad, bad, sign.
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Also, if this were a Lame Kitten croot, my first thought would have been to blame him for starting it...but I don't see Dooley engaging in such shenanigans.
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FWIW, a gaytor friend claims that the UT commit started this rumor and that there is no truth to it whatsoever.
He has no source.
does he go by alligrowler?
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does he go by alligrowler?
Not that I know of.
Don't know his internet handle, if any.
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His screets have no name.
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Urban should have bailed last year after Tebow left and he had the medical excuse. He could have kept his reputation in tact and found another team in a few years when his health magically got better.
He will never have another Tebow at UF and will probably struggle because of it. Florida's offense was built so tightly around Tebow that they have not been able to recruit a traditional offense to replace him.
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Urban should have bailed last year after Tebow left and he had the medical excuse. He could have kept his reputation in tact and found another team in a few years when his health magically got better.
He will never have another Tebow at UF and will probably struggle because of it. Florida's offense was built so tightly around Tebow that they have not been able to recruit a traditional offense to replace him.
Yep, Urban sucked until Tebow came along. He got lucky as a motherfucker...dude can't coach a lick.
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Yep, Urban sucked until Tebow came along. He got lucky as a motherfucker...dude can't coach a lick.
Of course the guy can coach.
However, it's pretty obvious that he built the UF team around Tebow with no regard for the future.
You know that your successor QB is a pocket passer, and not the FB/RB of your team like Tebow...so why don't you recruit any real RBs?
The UF roster is lousy with small, fast guys, but they lack an every-down back.
This is biting Urbs squarely in the ass.
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Of course the guy can coach.
However, it's pretty obvious that he built the UF team around Tebow with no regard for the future.
You know that your successor QB is a pocket passer, and not the FB/RB of your team like Tebow...so why don't you recruit any real RBs?
The UF roster is lousy with small, fast guys, but they lack an every-down back.
This is biting Urbs squarely in the ass.
I think Urban had designs to pass the ball more, and I thought he'd be more successful in the transition. Why it hasn't worked out, don't know. They were able to run the ball with other small guys in the past few years. But on the whole, I agree, he doesn't have what he needs. Clearly my post was smartassed...but the suggestion that Urban should have quit when Tebow left is ludicrous. If for health reasons sure...but because he'll never have another one like him? He had one...his name is Cam Newton. Sometimes shit don't go as planned in the coaching biz. You go with what you have.
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They were able to run the ball with other small guys in the past few years.
Right...because they had a big, bruising, every-down back. His name was Timothy.
I agree with the rest of your post, though.
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He is missing two key factors from years past. Tebow and the gusty play of Percy Harvin.
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He is missing two key factors from years past. Tebow and the gusty play of Percy Harvin.
I believe you mean Irvin Meyer is missing Tim Tivo and Percy Harvey
GO GATA!
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Yep, Urban sucked until Tebow came along. He got lucky as a motherfucker...dude can't coach a lick.
:haha:
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:haha:
Uh...he already acknowledged the sarcasm in that statement.
Try to keep up.
Or go play in traffic with djsimp.
Whatever.
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Yep, Urban sucked until Tebow came along. He got lucky as a motherfucker...dude can't coach a lick.
He had a QB at Utah that was head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. He had Tebow at UF. Now he has neither and has lost 3 in a row, scored 7 at home against MSU and has one of the worst offenses in the conference.
He may be a good coach, but I'm pretty sure most of us on this board could have won with Tebow as our QB. Show me you can win with lesser players and I will call you a great coach.
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He had a QB at Utah that was head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. He had Tebow at UF. Now he has neither and has lost 3 in a row, scored 7 at home against MSU and has one of the worst offenses in the conference.
He may be a good coach, but I'm pretty sure most of us on this board could have won with Tebow as our QB. Show me you can win with lesser players and I will call you a great coach.
You should go look at the top 10 team in the rankings now, and tell me how many have guys mentioned in the Heisman race. The top 4 all have serious Heisman contenders. The NC the last 2 years had the Heisman winner. It's not a coincidence. No coach wins consistently...at a championship level, without great talent. Those comments, and especially the bolded one...well, putting it nicely, aren't real savvy. And yeah, I know you were being a smart ass too.
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You should go look at the top 10 team in the rankings now, and tell me how many have guys mentioned in the Heisman race. The top 4 all have serious Heisman contenders. The NC the last 2 years had the Heisman winner. It's not a coincidence. No coach wins consistently...at a championship level, without great talent. Those comments, and especially the bolded one...well, putting it nicely, aren't real savvy. And yeah, I know you were being a smart ass too.
The big problem here is that Meyer is having his down year with 4-5 years of top 10 recruiting classes. He has the talent, he has not found a way to use them. That is bad coaching.
Meyer's great flaw is the same as Saban's, when they are great it is due to their own mightyness, when they lose it must be that they don't have good enough players.
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Uh...he already acknowledged the sarcasm in that statement.
Try to keep up.
Or go play in traffic with djsimp.
Whatever.
Actually I think he was pointing out teh sexuendo
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The big problem here is that Meyer is having his down year with 4-5 years of top 10 recruiting classes. He has the talent, he has not found a way to use them. That is bad coaching.
Meyer's great flaw is the same as Saban's, when they are great it is due to their own mightyness, when they lose it must be that they don't have good enough players.
You can have good players, and not have the right ones, or the right ones in the right spots, or it may be that they're not working out. Anyway, if you want to call it bad coaching, then call it that...it may be just that. I think he's pretty damned good, though he may not have done the best job this year. Lots of ingredients involved in having a great team. As I said, sometimes, you do what you do, what has worked in the past, and it's just not the right thing. Things don't always go as planned. This is the thing I hate about coaching these days...the first season a coach has a down year, it's never anything other than "bad coaching" in some folk's eyes...then the "Fire Coach______" watch begins. I hate that culture.
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Actually I think he was pointing out teh sexuendo
Upon further review, I think you're right.
I'll let the dumas stand for public viewing.
The big problem here is that Meyer is having his down year with 4-5 years of top 10 recruiting classes. He has the talent, he has not found a way to use them. That is bad coaching.
B-I-N-G-O.
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I believe you mean Irvin Meyer is missing Tim Tivo and Percy Harvey
GO GATA!
Is that stupid bitch still your rep in DC, Wes ?
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Is that stupid bitch still your rep in DC, Wes ?
I'll go contra-David Byrne here and say: Start Making Sense.
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I'll go contra-David Byrne here and say: Start Making Sense.
...or you can come play in traffic with me. :rolleyes:
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Is that stupid bitch still your rep in DC, Wes ?
I'll go contra-David Byrne here and say: Start Making Sense.
In honor of the recently-departed Barbara Billingsley, "Excuse me, I speak jive".........
He is referring to US Rep Corrine Brown - is you or is you not her constituent?
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I'll go contra-David Byrne here and say: Start Making Sense.
In honor of the recently-departed Barbara Billingsley, "Excuse me, I speak jive".........
He is referring to US Rep Corrine Brown - is you or is you not her constituent?
Thanks for the help, but I got the reference. LT knows where I live. She ain't my fuckin rep.
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...or you can come play in traffic with me. :rolleyes:
You're out of your element, Donnie!
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You're out of your element, Donnie!
You're the one that brought it up. :moon:
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You can have good players, and not have the right ones, or the right ones in the right spots, or it may be that they're not working out. Anyway, if you want to call it bad coaching, then call it that...it may be just that. I think he's pretty damned good, though he may not have done the best job this year. Lots of ingredients involved in having a great team. As I said, sometimes, you do what you do, what has worked in the past, and it's just not the right thing. Things don't always go as planned. This is the thing I hate about coaching these days...the first season a coach has a down year, it's never anything other than "bad coaching" in some folk's eyes...then the "Fire Coach______" watch begins. I hate that culture.
Well if you get to take credit for being the allmighty god of coaching when you win with Tebow or Alex Smith (in a shitty conference) then you have to take the blame for being a shitty coach when you have a bad year with all your own top 10 recruits. Can't have it both ways.
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There are some other factors that people forget outside of Meyer. While I think Meyer is a good coach, I have wondered since Mullin left if he really was the brains behind the offensive genius he had been known for. After this year, I think it has almost been confirmed, that it was Mullin and not Meyer that had the ability to adapt to the personal that they have. See IMO the difference between a good coach and a great coach can be the ability to make things work with the hand he has been dealt.
What I am wondering is WTF happened to their entire offseason? How did they not know that these problems were going to be an issue, and not prepare for them. The 8th week of the season is not the time to be trying new things and finding out who your QB is.
Bottom line...this about sums it up for Irving Myer and the Gatas.
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/myer.jpg)
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Well if you get to take credit for being the allmighty god of coaching when you win with Tebow or Alex Smith (in a shitty conference) then you have to take the blame for being a shitty coach when you have a bad year with all your own top 10 recruits. Can't have it both ways.
I guess...I don't recall him taking an inordinate amount of credit for anything. And, some seem to forget, recruiting is part of the coaching equation. I know...I know...Tebow was a lock for Floirida anyway, no credit to Meyer for that. I think, if you asked Meyer, or any coach, they'd tell you great players make coaches look great.
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There are some other factors that people forget outside of Meyer. While I think Meyer is a good coach, I have wondered since Mullin left if he really was the brains behind the offensive genius he had been known for. After this year, I think it has almost been confirmed, that it was Mullin and not Meyer that had the ability to adapt to the personal that they have.
Damn fine point there GF! This I too have thought. Sure Tebow being gone and some not so good recruiting, but Mullen being at Miss St is more the factor of Florida's troubles. Look at Miss St, they are at 5-2. Sure maybe the competition hasn't been all that but they did beat Florida and the two teams they lost two are currently undefeated. When has Miss St even been relevant? I tend to believe that if anybody can make that happen, Mullen can. That is proved by Florida's awful offense and Miss St being competitive.
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There are some other factors that people forget outside of Meyer. While I think Meyer is a good coach, I have wondered since Mullin left if he really was the brains behind the offensive genius he had been known for. After this year, I think it has almost been confirmed, that it was Mullin and not Meyer that had the ability to adapt to the personal that they have. See IMO the difference between a good coach and a great coach can be the ability to make things work with the hand he has been dealt.
What I am wondering is WTF happened to their entire offseason? How did they not know that these problems were going to be an issue, and not prepare for them. The 8th week of the season is not the time to be trying new things and finding out who your QB is.
Bottom line...this about sums it up for Irving Myer and the Gatas.
(http://www.tigersx.com/images/myer.jpg)
JMHO, YMMV...
I think Meyer had every intention of revamping his passing game to fit "whatshisname". I think one of two things happened...either he simply got cold feet and decided to make it work doing what he knows how to do, or when they tried doing it the new way, it didn't work as well, and they didn't have enough passing game experience to "fix" the problems, so they reverted back to what they know. How ever you slice it, it aint working. Why? Is anybody's guess. I suspect Meyer could tell you. I don't think Mullen is any more genius than Meyer. What's he really done with the offense at MSU to rate genius status? I think he's good...but don't know if "genius" fits.
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What's he really done with the offense at MSU to rate genius status?
Well, I would like to say that he has done just as much or more with MSU than anybody else has there, and this is just the beginning/building season. I would say that deserves some fine praise.
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why did urban recruit a traditional drop back qb, when the offense he was running was anything but that? I remember his first year there at uf he had chris leak and he had to mold him in to a qb to fit his system, and then he recruited timmy who was the perfect qb for his system, now he has brantley who really doesn't mesh with the offensive system he was using in the past... I guess what I'm asking is why the change in offensive schemes if what they were doing in the past was working?
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why did urban recruit a traditional drop back qb, when the offense he was running was anything but that? I remember his first year there at uf he had chris leak and he had to mold him in to a qb to fit his system, and then he recruited timmy who was the perfect qb for his system, now he has brantley who really doesn't mesh with the offensive system he was using in the past... I guess what I'm asking is why the change in offensive schemes if what they were doing in the past was working?
Well actually, what makes this even worse on his part, while at Utah Meyer had Alex Smith which is more of a drop back passer. So, with that said this should be no shocker to anything Meyer has done previously. This is what makes the Florida situation more weird and the reason why some folks (GF, myself and few others) say that Mullen leaving to Miss St has way more of an impact than what many more thought originally. Meyer, I still think, is a great offensive mind but things apparently changed faster than he realized.
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Well actually, what makes this even worse on his part, while at Utah Meyer had Alex Smith which is more of a drop back passer. So, with that said this should be no shocker to anything Meyer has done previously. This is what makes the Florida situation more weird and the reason why some folks (GF, myself and few others) say that Mullen leaving to Miss St has way more of an impact than what many more thought originally. Meyer, I still think, is a great offensive mind but things apparently changed faster than he realized.
Alex Smith was a good spread option QB that could throw.
2003 Rushing: 149 Att. 452 Yds 3.0 YPC
2004 Rushing: 135 Att. 631 Yds. 4.7 YPC
Brantley has 35 Att. -52 Yds. This season.
Hell, even Leak managed positive yards with 77 Att. 30 yds in 2006...but they had Tebow who carried it in spot duty 89 times for 469 Yds.
This is Meyer's first foray in to the world of the pure dropback passer. As I said...he even had Leach in to consult on the passing game in the off season. I think his failing was a true commitment to a passing game...a real high level, intricate, passing game. And, as coaches will do, he's retreated back to what he knows best...the spread option.
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I remember back when we promoted an offensive line coach to offensive coordinator... We had so much talent on the field but lost 5 games that year.
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And, as coaches will do, he's retreated back to what he knows best...the spread option.
Nice post. You know, at this point Meyer might as well bite the bullet and put #8(I forget his name) in and let him learn out the season. Can't hurt at this point.
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I remember back when we promoted an offensive line coach to offensive coordinator... We had so much talent on the field but lost 5 games that year.
Just wait until Jeff Grimes takes over the O when Malzahn leaves.
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Just wait until Jeff Grimes takes over the O when Malzahn leaves.
Great idea. Hey, maybe co-coordinators. Grimes and maybe...Rocker.
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Great idea. Hey, maybe co-coordinators. Grimes and maybe...Rocker.
We could call it the Grocker offense.