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Wed Oct 06 08:09am PDT
Rhode Island school pulls out of game citing size of foe's players
By Cameron Smith
Football matchups between private schools can create mismatches based on a variety of factors, but it's rare that a school uses fear of injury to cancel a game.
That's exactly what happened Monday, when St. George's (R.I.) School canceled a game on Friday against fellow Independent School League member Lawrence Academy (Mass.), citing a concern over the disparity in the size of the two schools' players. St. George's is the first team to officially pull out of a game against Lawrence Academy (Mass.), one of two programs that has been completely dominant against ISL foes in recent years.
"This is strictly a safety issue,'' St. George's headmaster Eric Peterson told the Boston Globe. "We are trying to keep our kids reasonably safe in a game that can be terribly exciting but has risks."
Meanwhile, the risk of losing via forfeit -- the game may or may not be recorded as a forfeit, depending on the decision of a committee of three ISL headmasters -- is not something that concerns St. George's athletic director and football coach John MacKay. He said, "People don't understand what schools like St. George's are all about. Our students are into much more than athletics. Athletic success is so secondary in a place like this.''
As laid out by both Mike Carraggi of the Boston Globe and Danny Ventura of the Boston Herald, the numbers behind St. George's decision are pretty stark. Three Lawrence Academy offensive lineman weigh in at 300, 335 and 350 pounds, where St. George's players come nowhere near those marks. Still, the withdrawal is a stark statement of competitive inequity in the entire league. St. George's stands at 2-0 after going winless last year, but still decided it was better off withdrawing than playing a team that won all but two of its games by 40 or more points in 2009.
"The issue first came up last spring, then we talked about it off and on in the summer,'' Peterson told the Globe. "By the time the roster was in place, it became pretty clear.''
While St. George's withdrawal is a clear black eye on the ISL, the other possible solutions presented to coach MacKay were equally unpalatable. Among other options, Lawrence Academy reportedly offered to play the game at "half speed" to ensure no players got hurt. That hardly seems like a positive message to send to a program that claims it is trying to build gradual success among a young core of players.
Nonetheless, St. George's decision shines a spotlight on a significant problem that has been building within the ISL for years, according to Danny Ventura of the Herald.
Other coaches in the game have privately voiced their displeasure with Lawrence Academy. Judging by the volume of hits this story (which the Herald first broke yesterday morning) has received, it's certainly a newsworthy issue. What remains to be seen is whether any other team in the league follows suit and refuses to play LA.
League administrators were scheduled to meet this morning and we're sure one of the hot topics will be how to handle this situation. Is it a forfeit against SG or a no contest. You also have to believe that they will be feeling out the rest of Lawrence Academy opponents to see if they have plans on playing the game.
As one coach who asked his name not be used said: "The situation stinks. It's a black eye for our league."
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isn't that right Pale.
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ugh..I need to teach you and wes4au how to post stories.
What did I do wrong?
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What did I do wrong?
Nothin I cleaned it up
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Nothin I cleaned it up
You 're good at that.
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My wife teaches at a 2A Christian Private school and my daughter graduated from there and my son goes there now. As a result, I've been going to most of their games over the past few years. Let's just get it out there. The team is usually just a bunch of small, slow white boys. They're doing pretty good this year at 5-1 but they run the old Wing-T to perfection, which allows them to stay in and win a lot of games if the other team is not stacked. However, when they face any team with speed that can get to the corners, they're toast.
They may have a couple of kids in the 210-215 range but most everyone is more like 165-190. They played one of the better 2A teams a couple of weeks ago, a team with guys in the 250+ range across both lines and a QB and running back that are both being looked at by D1 colleges. It was ugly. The 2 previous years, they made the playoffs in 1A and their prize was traveling to play Sweetwater. If you follow high school football, you know that's no prize. The 2 scores were 70-0 and 77-0.
Point being, play the game. I'd much rather say "Remember when we ran into that buzz saw over in Seetwater and got our asses kicked..." than, "Whoa, we almost had to play Sweetwater. Thank God our principal was looking out for us."
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You 're good at that.
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ugh..I need to teach you and wes4au how to post stories.
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Dude...it's been, what? 4...maybe 5 years?
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My wife teaches at a 2A Christian Private school and my daughter graduated from there and my son goes there now. As a result, I've been going to most of their games over the past few years. Let's just get it out there. The team is usually just a bunch of small, slow white boys. They're doing pretty good this year at 5-1 but they run the old Wing-T to perfection, which allows them to stay in and win a lot of games if the other team is not stacked. However, when they face any team with speed that can get to the corners, they're toast.
They may have a couple of kids in the 210-215 range but most everyone is more like 165-190. They played one of the better 2A teams a couple of weeks ago, a team with guys in the 250+ range across both lines and a QB and running back that are both being looked at by D1 colleges. It was ugly. The 2 previous years, they made the playoffs in 1A and their prize was traveling to play Sweetwater. If you follow high school football, you know that's no prize. The 2 scores were 70-0 and 77-0.
Point being, play the game. I'd much rather say "Remember when we ran into that buzz saw over in Seetwater and got our asses kicked..." than, "Whoa, we almost had to play Sweetwater. Thank God our principal was looking out for us."
To this day, I remember my sophomore year us getting drubbed by UMS Wright Prep Academy 70-6...on our homecoming! I remember looking at them warming up and their size and speed made us look like a bunch of Smurfs that ate mushrooms instead of living in them. At that time, I was probably 120 lbs. soaking wet and any of their players could have had me for a snack. I can recall bits and pieces of other losses, but I recall that particular lose as good as I any memorable win. All I can say is thank God I was a sophomore and only played on the kickoff team. Yet as you said, anytime I get to talking about the old days with one of my former teammates, that game comes up about every time. Good times.
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Freaking pussies. All they have to do is hit'em in the knees or clip 'em.
isn't that right Pale.
You know it, baby!
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When I went to high school I played at a large 6A school. I remember going to private school games and thinking that they looked little and slow as hell. It wasn't all the players...but the team itself and the speed of the game looked like it was in slow motion. The funny thing is, when I came back from college to stand on the sidelines at Jeff Davis, I stood on the side line and thought the same thing. I wondered how the hell I didn't dominate at that level with the game being so damn slow...
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You know it, baby!
Cock of the walk, babe.
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My wife teaches at a 2A Christian Private school and my daughter graduated from there and my son goes there now. As a result, I've been going to most of their games over the past few years. Let's just get it out there. The team is usually just a bunch of small, slow white boys. They're doing pretty good this year at 5-1 but they run the old Wing-T to perfection, which allows them to stay in and win a lot of games if the other team is not stacked. However, when they face any team with speed that can get to the corners, they're toast.
They may have a couple of kids in the 210-215 range but most everyone is more like 165-190. They played one of the better 2A teams a couple of weeks ago, a team with guys in the 250+ range across both lines and a QB and running back that are both being looked at by D1 colleges. It was ugly. The 2 previous years, they made the playoffs in 1A and their prize was traveling to play Sweetwater. If you follow high school football, you know that's no prize. The 2 scores were 70-0 and 77-0.
Point being, play the game. I'd much rather say "Remember when we ran into that buzz saw over in Seetwater and got our asses kicked..." than, "Whoa, we almost had to play Sweetwater. Thank God our principal was looking out for us."
I coach in a youth league that is no weight limit. As a result we get kids that are too big to play in other leagues. Lots of studies show that injuries occur as a result in disparity of age, and experience rather than weight, and the trend now is going to no weight limit leagues. Of course, some like at this pussy ass school, don't believe such, and they do shit like this. If you're going to field a football team, you nee to play the teams on your schedule. You might get your asses kicked, but that's life. Deal.
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In our youth league, there is and there isn't a weight rule. There is no weight rule that keeps a kid from playing in his age group. However, there is a rule on how much any ball carrier can weigh. In other words, you can't give "big 'un" the ball so he can just run over all those boys half his weight. They have to play on the line, just like they probably would be used on a high school team.
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In our youth league, there is and there isn't a weight rule. There is no weight rule that keeps a kid from playing in his age group. However, there is a rule on how much any ball carrier can weigh. In other words, you can't give "big 'un" the ball so he can just run over all those boys half his weight. They have to play on the line, just like they probably would be used on a high school team.
pussies
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In our youth league, there is and there isn't a weight rule. There is no weight rule that keeps a kid from playing in his age group. However, there is a rule on how much any ball carrier can weigh. In other words, you can't give "big 'un" the ball so he can just run over all those boys half his weight. They have to play on the line, just like they probably would be used on a high school team.
Yep, there are all kinds of leagues with silly rules. We have NO rules on wt. You meet the age criteria, you play, and play where you can play. I've got kids on my 11/12 yo team ranging from 70lbs, up to 200lbs. The 9/10 year old league below us has a kid that is 5-8, @ 200lbs, and they run him at fullback at times. There's an easy way to deal with these kids running the ball, and it involves hitting them, and taking their legs out from under them. Using the "big kid" at running back is a rookie coach move...it don't work for very long.
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The beta-male discussion lives...
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Yeah, yeah. I thought this at first also, but when you think about it, it actually makes more sense. The big heavy boys are going to eventually play on the OL or DL when they get in high school, not playing RB or QB. So, why not let them play that position now so they are familiar with it and can get better at it by the time they are in high school? Then that also lets they boys that probably will actually be playing the skill positions like RB and QB more experience at their eventual position in high school.
Supposedly, a certain new high school coach in our area, I won't say who it was because they can get in trouble for "meddling" in the youth programs (though they all do it), asked the youth league that feeds his school, who were known for playing the big boys in the skills position, to stop playing the big boys at those positions because if they maintain their same growth rate, they will be on the line when the coach of the JV team gets them.
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Whatever. Your trying to teach the game of football. Not trying to teach ten boys to stand around and watch the big kid beat up on the other team. This is why there are so many shitty high school players. Youth coaches are all about wining and not teaching. Using the free for all method does not promote solid fundamental coaching techniques. At about age >12 (jr high) it should become open limit. Before that, it's about fundamentals, not winning.
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Whatever. Your trying to teach the game of football. Not trying to teach ten boys to stand around and watch the big kid beat up on the other team. This is why there are so many shitty high school players. Youth coaches are all about wining and not teaching. Using the free for all method does not promote solid fundamental coaching techniques. At about age >12 (jr high) it should become open limit. Before that, it's about fundamentals, not winning.
I moved, and had to find a new place to coach this year...was coaching Middle School last 2 years. This year youth ball. With all the youth coaches I see, they all treat it like it's their own personal live XBox. It's all about running plays, not one bit about teaching football. Then there's the other extreme, of which we have one coaching our 9-10 year olds. He's all about "old school" football practice...meaning wear the kids out...but he doesn't teach them anything...he yells a lot, and has 10 year olds hitting a full sized sled on the HS field that they can hardly move...but he doesn't TEACH them anything. Fact is, most of the youth coaches in our leagues, don't know what to teach I guess...they do know how to run plays though...all practice...run plays. Make up plays on the fly...tell kids to "run a 9 route" when they haven't a fucking clue what any route is because they haven't been taught it.
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I moved, and had to find a new place to coach this year...was coaching Middle School last 2 years. This year youth ball. With all the youth coaches I see, they all treat it like it's their own personal live XBox. It's all about running plays, not one bit about teaching football. Then there's the other extreme, of which we have one coaching our 9-10 year olds. He's all about "old school" football practice...meaning wear the kids out...but he doesn't teach them anything...he yells a lot, and has 10 year olds hitting a full sized sled on the HS field that they can hardly move...but he doesn't TEACH them anything. Fact is, most of the youth coaches in our leagues, don't know what to teach I guess...they do know how to run plays though...all practice...run plays. Make up plays on the fly...tell kids to "run a 9 route" when they haven't a fucking clue what any route is because they haven't been taught it.
Sounds like Auburn under Franklin.
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I moved, and had to find a new place to coach this year...was coaching Middle School last 2 years. This year youth ball. With all the youth coaches I see, they all treat it like it's their own personal live XBox. It's all about running plays, not one bit about teaching football. Then there's the other extreme, of which we have one coaching our 9-10 year olds. He's all about "old school" football practice...meaning wear the kids out...but he doesn't teach them anything...he yells a lot, and has 10 year olds hitting a full sized sled on the HS field that they can hardly move...but he doesn't TEACH them anything. Fact is, most of the youth coaches in our leagues, don't know what to teach I guess...they do know how to run plays though...all practice...run plays. Make up plays on the fly...tell kids to "run a 9 route" when they haven't a phuking clue what any route is because they haven't been taught it.
A couple of years ago, our youth program tried to go with a no huddle spread offense, with the offensive players actually wearing the plays on their wrists. They did this because our high school team was going to that type of offense. My son was 9 years old when they started that crap and if you want to see some funny stuff, watch a bunch of 9/10 year old trying to run a no huddle offense while looking at their wrists for the play. Let's just say a few of us were in the coach's ear about the silliness of it all and how about just go back to coaching the basics of football and let the kids worry about more complicated offenses when they get older and are capable of learning them.
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A couple of years ago, our youth program tried to go with a no huddle spread offense, with the offensive players actually wearing the plays on their wrists. They did this because our high school team was going to that type of offense. My son was 9 years old when they started that crap and if you want to see some funny stuff, watch a bunch of 9/10 year old trying to run a no huddle offense while looking at their wrists for the play. Let's just say a few of us were in the coach's ear about the silliness of it all and how about just go back to coaching the basics of football and let the kids worry about more complicated offenses when they get older and are capable of learning them.
You may not like the spread, no huddle, and that's cool if you don't, but I have no problem with that AS LONG as they're teaching the kids to block and tackle first and foremost. Helping the HS program by doing that is a good thing in the long run, even though it may not look pretty early on. Still at the youth levels, THE most important things to teach are blocking and tackling. In reality, kids that age can only really digest about one play more than their age...ie 9/10 year old team needs a MAX 11 plays. Most youth coaches can probably not even, in reality, teach more than 5 or 6.