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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 23, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
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Can't wait for RWS's PERFECTLY good reason for this. No No People... Walk away! Nothing to see here......
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html#articleTabs%3Darticle (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575509901468451306.html#articleTabs%3Darticle)
Alabama's Unhappy Castoffs
Ex-Players Say Coach Nick Saban Pressured Them to Take Medical Scholarships; a 'Bitter' Outcome.
By HANNAH KARP And DARREN EVERSON
Sports Illustrated/Getty Images
Alabama coach Nick Saban leading his team onto the field before a Sept. 11 game against Penn State.
.Former Alabama football players say the school's No. 1-ranked football program has tried to gain a competitive edge by encouraging some underperforming players to quit the team for medical reasons, even in cases where the players are still healthy enough to play.
At least 12 times since coach Nick Saban took over the program in 2007, Alabama has offered players a "medical" scholarship, according to public statements made by the team. These scholarships, which are allowed under NCAA rules, are intended to make sure scholarship athletes who are too injured to play don't lose their financial aid. A player who receives one of these scholarships is finished playing with that team.
Three Alabama players who've taken these exemptions say they believe the team uses the practice as a way to clear spots for better players by cutting players it no longer wants. These players said they believe Mr. Saban and his staff pressure some players to take these scholarships even though their injuries aren't serious enough to warrant keeping them off the field.
"I'm still kind of bitter," said former Alabama linebacker Chuck Kirschman, who took a medical scholarship last year. Mr. Kirschman said Mr. Saban encouraged him to accept the scholarship because of a back problem that he believes he could have played through. "It's a business," Mr. Kirschman said. "College football is all about politics. And this is a loophole in the system."
Alabama isn't the only school that has given players medical scholarships. Including the Crimson Tide, the 12 members of the Southeastern Conference have given at least 25 of these scholarships to football players in the past three years. Ultimately, it's the school's decision whether a player is healthy enough to play football.
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.In a statement, Doug Walker, the school's associate athletic director for media relations, said Alabama's first priority in these situations is always the health of its players. "Decisions about medical disqualifications for student-athletes are made by medical professionals and adhere to the parameters outlined by the NCAA…and the Southeastern Conference," he said in the statement.
The school added that the "process for medical disqualification is very similar from campus to campus across the country." Alabama said that student-athletes sign a medical-exemption certificate agreeing that they fully understand the conditions, that the diagnosis of the injury or illness clearly appears to be an incapacitating one, and that there's a "reasonable expectation" they'll never again be able to play.
An Alabama spokesman said the school won't discuss individual cases, citing health-privacy laws. Mr. Saban declined to comment.
How college-football teams manage their allotted number of players is a serious competitive issue in the sport. The 120 schools in the NCAA's Football Bowl Subdivision, the sport's highest echelon, are limited to 85 scholarship athletes each. No more than 25 new signees are allowed to join a team in the fall. Because injuries are common, teams do whatever they can to make sure those spots are filled by the best athletes.
Because some players may fail to qualify academically, some teams take on more players than they have room for, to make sure they don't get caught short. The problem for teams comes when the numbers don't work out and the team winds up needing to make cuts.
Alabama, which won the national championship last season, is off to a dominating 3-0 start this year, including a blowout win over Penn State. The Crimson Tide play at No. 10 Arkansas Saturday in the weekend's most anticipated game.
The program is one of several in the SEC that have developed reputations for pushing roster limits. Since Mr. Saban took over as coach after a stint with the NFL's Miami Dolphins, Alabama has routinely had to trim its roster ahead of the season. Placing players on medical scholarships has helped it do so.
In some cases, the players who took these scholarships say they didn't feel pressured. Charles Hoke, a former Alabama offensive lineman who took a medical scholarship in 2008 because of a shoulder problem, said the choice was left entirely up to him and was based on the many conversations he had with the team's doctors and trainers over the course of his junior year.
Others who took these scholarships say they believe the school is violating the spirit of the rule. Mr. Kirschman, the linebacker, said he injured his back in April 2008 but continued practicing with the team through the spring of 2009. That May, he was approached by coaches and trainers and asked to take a medical scholarship.
"I wasn't playing significant minutes, but I was personally upset because I did anything coach asked, I was a team player, I had a 4.0 average," said Mr. Kirschman, who played in two career games, both in 2008, and is now working full time as a robot programmer at Mercedes.
Mr. Kirschman said the school offered in the summer of 2009 to pay for his graduate degree in business—an offer he accepted—and that he still gets some of the same perks as players. "I still get game tickets, which is nice," he says.
Mr. Kirschman said the decision to take the medical scholarship was ultimately his, and that he decided to do it to open up a scholarship for the good of the team. But he said he felt he was pressured. "It was pushed," he said. "It was instigated for several players."
In August 2009, Jeramie Griffin, a redshirt sophomore running back at Alabama, tore an anterior cruciate ligament in his knee during a practice—an injury that kept him out for that season. After undergoing surgery, he said, "I came back in the spring and I was OK."
Indeed, Mr. Griffin's bio on Alabama's official athletics website said he "looked strong in 2010 spring drills, just eight months off of surgery."
Mr. Griffin said that he was surprised last month when the football staff told him he had failed a physical. At that point, Mr. Griffin said, Mr. Saban sat him down and asked him what he wanted to do besides playing football. He said that Mr. Saban floated the possibility of a medical scholarship and asked if Mr. Griffin was interested in student coaching.
Mr. Griffin said he doesn't contest the results of the physical and said it was "basically my decision" to forgo the rest of his playing career.
Mr. Griffin said he has agreed to take a job as a student coach. He added that he felt less angry about being pushed to take the medical scholarship—which frees up roster space for the team—than he did about not living up to his potential.
"I felt like I could have played," he said.
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Mr. Kirschman said the decision to take the medical scholarship was ultimately his, and that he decided to do it
Mr. Griffin said he doesn't contest the results of the physical and said it was "basically my decision" to forgo the rest of his playing career. He added that he felt less angry about being pushed to take the medical scholarship than he did about not living up to his potential
Damn that Saban to hell. He found a loop hole and forced them to quit, although really he didn't make them quit because it was their decision, and not Saban's.
Find me a player who states he was not injured in any way and was made to take a medical scholarship, then you got a story. Until then, STFU. And stop using Mr. before every fucking name.
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Kirschman said he was "bitter". Even if he made the choice himself, the context of the decision was that he felt he was pressured to make that decision...thus the article. I think your selections are what I'd expect most Alabama fans to focus on. However, it's selective, and not the point.
I think the main reason I posted this, is the fact that the Wall Street Journal had this story. Why? Why do they give a fuck?
I have a feeling this won't be the only article to come out. ...and why? Because it's clear that Saban has put himself out there and thrown rocks while there are plenty of others ready to throw rocks back at the man living in a glass house atop his ivory tower.
What will come out of it? Probably not a whole lot. Probably just a lot of ill talk and articles that prove to be more of a nuisance. However, why bring it on yourself? It was HIS choice to do so. I have ZERO compassion and have no problem laughing at that fucking douche every time it happens.
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I think the main reason I posted this, is the fact that the Wall Street Journal had this story. Why? Why do they give a fuck?
Because Alabama is the #1 team in the country? If we were getting the fuck beat out of us and were sitting at 2-1 not ranked, do you really think this would be a story?
I have a feeling this won't be the only article to come out. ...and why? Because it's clear that Saban has put himself out there and thrown rocks while there are plenty of others ready to throw rocks back at the man living in a glass house atop his ivory tower.
Not to be an asshole, but so fucking what? There are at least 3-4 articles trumped up against Saban every year. Just last week I read an article calling Saban the biggest whore in college football. Par for the course.
What will come out of it? Probably not a whole lot. Probably just a lot of ill talk and articles that prove to be more of a nuisance. However, why bring it on yourself? It was HIS choice to do so. I have ZERO compassion and have no problem laughing at that fucking douche every time it happens.
Why would anything come out of it? Unless Mr. Saban ordered a code red or is personally busting knee caps with tire irons after lights out, I don't see a problem. Both players admitted the decision was entirely up to them.
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At least 12 times since coach Nick Saban took over the program in 2007
Twelve, not "two". Those were just a couple guys they talked to, and he mentioned that he was still "bitter" and felt he still could have played. Bottom line is, what was his alternative if he'd said "no"? Do you really think Saban was going to let him play? I don't, and I'm not blinded by fandom in thinking so either.
You're right about whether these articles would be written if Alabama was under different circumstances, but Alabama is undefeated, unbeaten in the regular season over the past few years, and people seem to be thinking they're using shenanigans to get players on the field that shouldn't be there in place of students that were still fit to play.
You're also right about it being par for the course for people and writers to be talking shit about Saban. Yeah, sports writers and bloggers, but the Wall Street Journal? Really? Why do they give enough of a shit to publish this? Why not scoot it off as an AP report in the USA Today or another paper with a more prominent sports section?
I'm just saying that Saban's continuously ridiculous actions and attitude continue to bring more unwanted attention to a program that needs as little white glove treatment as possible.
It's not a good thing, let alone a normal, everyday thing.
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Twelve, not "two". Those were just a couple guys they talked to, and he mentioned that he was still "bitter" and felt he still could have played. Bottom line is, what was his alternative if he'd said "no"? Do you really think Saban was going to let him play? I don't, and I'm not blinded by fandom in thinking so either.
Alright. So three players said they felt as though they were pressured. You really think the author of this article only called those 3 and not all 12? I don't. Unless they really are that shitty of a journalist. They called all fucking 12, and found 3 who would speak ill of the situation. And if they'd said no to the medical leave? I really doubt they would have played. But how is that any different than the situation they were already in? Neither of the guys listed were anywhere near the top of the depth chart, and they most likely would have gone the rest of their careers without seeing playing time. It happens. There's 85 players on scholarship every year at major programs and only 40-50 actually see meaningful game time. That's how it works. So yeah, they could have said no, and still been on the team. No one is guaranteed playing time. It was their decision, and they both are on record saying THEY chose to take the medical leave.
You're right about whether these articles would be written if Alabama was under different circumstances, but Alabama is undefeated, unbeaten in the regular season over the past few years, and people seem to be thinking they're using shenanigans to get players on the field that shouldn't be there in place of students that were still fit to play.
"People seem to thing" means shit. People seemed to think Obama was going to swoop in, fix the economy, pay for people's gas/mortgages and create world peace. Guess what? People are fucking stupid. As I said, find a player who WASN'T hurt and WAS forced to quit the team, THEN there is a fucking problem...and a headline story.
"You're also right about it being par for the course for people and writers to be talking shit about Saban. Yeah, sports writers and bloggers, but the Wall Street Journal? Really? Why do they give enough of a shit to publish this? Why not scoot it off as an AP report in the USA Today or another paper with a more prominent sports section?"
Maybe the author is an LSU graduate. Maybe he/she is a Dolphin fan. Maybe they watch a lot of Tosh O, saw the attention he got busting on Saban, and decided they wanted some of that action.
I'm just saying that Saban's continuously ridiculous actions and attitude continue to bring more unwanted attention to a program that needs as little white glove treatment as possible.
Again, if Alabama was unranked and getting the fuck kicked out of them, nobody would give a shit about Saban's actions. Nor would there be weekly articles about it. Maybe once every few months someone would have a "we told you so Alabama" article, but then they'd get back to their regular articles on the top teams.
let alone a normal, everyday thing.
Actually, it has been a normal, everyday thing. Since he was named head coach at Alabama, it's been non stop. ESPN, CBS sportsline, Wall Street Journal, and countless of other major news sources. People said he would leave in 3 years. People said he'd never be able to recruit at Alabama because parents wouldn't trust him. People said he'd never win an SEC Championship at Bama.
He's still here. He's still recruiting a lot of top talent. He's already won the SEC and BCS. They can keep writing their stories. I'm certain hundreds (like the douche bag out of Miami who stands in on PTI) of journalists are just waiting for Saban to stumble. Or Alabama to get beat. When it happens? It happens. It could happen in 2 days. It's inevitable. But until it does? I'm going to enjoy the ride.
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Receiving Game Tickets and other perks, on top of having his school fully paid for...NOPE, nothing to see here. BTW, wouldn't that be considered extra benefits...the tickets? Yup. I wonder if WSJ is man enough to track down Star and a large number of other players that've gotten the boot, in three short years. Should be interesting.
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Alabama isn't the only school that has given players medical scholarships. Including the Crimson Tide, the 12 members of the Southeastern Conference have given at least 25 of these scholarships to football players in the past three years.
This is the type thing that nobody wants to stir the pot on. We ALL suspect that coaches like Saban use this to their advantage, but it can't be proved. All the schools do this, more often for the benefit of the player, than to clear a spot on the team. This, like steroid use in football, is a can of worms best left unopened.
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When it happens? It happens. It could happen in 2 days. It's inevitable. But until it does? I'm going to enjoy the ride.
A lot of writing to get to really what matters as the final point. Why is it inevitable? Because he's an assclown of epic proportions. That's why. Also, IFFFFF it happens that he stumbles and it's found that he manipulated and cheated to provide the ride you're on, will it be as sweet? I don't know what the answer to that question is, or will be.
Again, I don't think a lot will happen, but frankly, it's got to be a little tiresome to some to have your program and coach dinked, dunked and constantly having to defend themselves, rather than be celebrated as a great program outside of your own state.
Just my opinion...
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A lot of writing to get to really what matters as the final point. Why is it inevitable? Because he's an assclown of epic proportions. That's why. Also, IFFFFF it happens that he stumbles and it's found that he manipulated and cheated to provide the ride you're on, will it be as sweet? I don't know what the answer to that question is, or will be.
Again, I don't think a lot will happen, but frankly, it's got to be a little tiresome to some to have your program and coach dinked, dunked and constantly having to defend themselves, rather than be celebrated as a great program outside of your own state.
Just my opinion...
The inevitable is losing, not being caught cheating. We are eventually going to lose a game or 4. And it's a bullshit article by a Duke graduate. I'm not sure why a Duke graduate would write a bad article about Alabama.
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Not to be an asshole, but so fucking what? There are at least 3-4 articles trumped up against Saban every year. Just last week I read an article calling Saban the biggest whore in college football. Par for the course.
You are an asshole and Saban is a whore, but I gotta agree with you. So fucking what, oh boo fucking hoo, so let me see you still get a free ride to get a college education (third rate mind you, but still). If you don't like it fucking transfer to another school. That is reporters being reporters.
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Well, it DOES matter. Getting free tickets to games? Convincing players that can play that they can't and offering "same perks as players" to them? Out of the entire 25 med schollies given by the SEC in the last three years, half of them are from Bama alone?
Why does the fact she's a Duke graduate have to do with anything? Duke? So Duke is a school out to get Bama now? What about the other guy that wrote the article? Did he come from a University that has some sort of problem with Alabama too?
C'mon, the whole "they graduated from *_____________*, so they must have an issue with Alabama defense is retarded.
The article was written because the issues are not standard, everyday, okay happenings in a football program. It's shit like this that's going to get the unwanted attention brought to Alabama.
Call it reporters doing what reporters do if you want, but reporters doing what reporters do is ultimately what's going to earn Saban and Alabama a kick in the cash and prizes.
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The kids don't stand a chance.
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Not an Alabama or a Saban fan, but this article is a crock of shit. Scholarships are awarded year to year, what the article fails to report is that if the players don't take the medical scholarship, they would get "encouraged" to transfer for "more playing time" at Jacksonville St. or some other DII team. If they want to keep playing, they can do it at another school. If they want to stay at Alabama, they get their school paid for as promised. If they make a big stink about it, they get labeled a troublemaker and the scholarship just gets outright pulled.
At the college level, football isn't a game anymore, it is serious business.
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I think Saban is the biggest - and dirtiest - douchebag on the planet. If there is a way to bend and manipulate the rules to suit his fucking "Process", the asshole is gonna do just that.
But if I am going afte someone for something like this, my choices would have been the Right Rev. Nuttsac and Ed "Yawyawfoobaw" Ogeron, and the 3,976 players they signed every year at Arky and OM. How did they manage to trim their lists down??
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How did they manage to trim their lists down??
Nutt ordered the code red and ran off team "cancers".
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Okay...agreed with what everyone says, including the "crock of shit" descriptions and everything... HOWEVER... It's the fact that it got written about Alabama and Saban, even when everyone else is doing it, including "Nuttsack" and whoever else.
The point is that because of his over the top antics, he's drawing this fire himself. Unwanted fire. Fire that exposes other bullshit that matters the more he causes it to be aimed at Alabama.
Just sayin....
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The point is that because of his over the top antics, he's drawing this fire himself. Unwanted fire. Fire that exposes other bullshit that matters the more he causes it to be aimed at Alabama.
Agreed, sort of like out of sight out of mind. This is something that those of us that has been in the military learned the first day of basic. If coaches put them or their programs out there testing the "limits", some may backfire. These coaches have to know that there are journalist always looking for that next big story.
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I think Saban is the biggest - and dirtiest - douchebag on the planet. If there is a way to bend and manipulate the rules to suit his fucking "Process", the asshole is gonna do just that.
But if I am going afte someone for something like this, my choices would have been the Right Rev. Nuttsac and Ed "Yawyawfoobaw" Ogeron, and the 3,976 players they signed every year at Arky and OM. How did they manage to trim their lists down??
They found, that when you lose to Jacksonville State and Vanderbilt, players and recruits will leave on their own volition.
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They found, that when you lose to Jacksonville State and Vanderbilt, players and recruits will leave on their own volition.
That, and of the nearly 4000 they signed, only 12 qualified.
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I could careless what Bama is doing right now and the contents of this article. We should be better than worrying about their every move. Isn't this what we critique them for so often? We have enough problems on the field to correct of our own. This comes off as looking like "well, if we can't beat them, lets talk about how we think they cheat". Kind of pathetic really.
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I could careless what Bama is doing right now and the contents of this article. We should be better than worrying about their every move. Isn't this what we critique them for so often? We have enough problems on the field to correct of our own. This comes off as looking like "well, if we can't beat them, lets talk about how we think they cheat". Kind of pathetic really.
I know where you've been!
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I know where you've been!
Yep, stirring the shit pot again.
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Why do you hate Duke?
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Yep, stirring the shit pot again.
Wasn't suggesting I didn't agree. Saban is an ass....don't need no damned WSJ bit to tell me that. Auburn plays a real team Saturday, and we have issues.
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Wasn't suggesting I didn't agree. Saban is an ass....don't need no damned WSJ bit to tell me that. Auburn plays a real team Saturday, and we have issues.
This is it.
How Bama handles players as mentioned in the article is just not my concern at the moment. But if folks want to take consolation in this article, have at it. I would rather actually worry myself over our FB team and how the team in the article will butt rape us if we don't get better quickly.
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Wasn't suggesting I didn't agree. Saban is an ass....don't need no damned WSJ bit to tell me that. Auburn plays a real team Saturday, and we have issues.
Oh, I know, I'm just messing with GH a little bit.
GH = shit starter. :) Just ask the idiot bammer at the Clemson game.
Agreed though, we got our own issues to be concerned with and that is keeping Spurrier from raping us. Although, I personally think we will take care of bu'ness.
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Oh, I know, I'm just messing with GH a little bit.
GH = shit starter. :) Just ask the idiot bammer at the Clemson game.
Agreed though, we got our own issues to be concerned with and that is keeping Spurrier from raping us. Although, I personally think we will take care of bu'ness.
Only when intoxicated. I am perfectly sober at this moment.
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Is this strategy anything like Bryant's strategy of keeping 200 players on scholarship so that no one could sign them as competition?
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Only when intoxicated. I am perfectly sober at this moment.
You have been under the influence of a "bad influence" the last couple of days though. :poke:
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You have been under the influence of a "bad influence" the last couple of days though. :poke:
Not influence.. We just agree on some things.
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Not influence.. We just agree on some things.
I agree with him more than it appears, actually we agree on more than we disagree on...we both just have a desire to argue a bit.
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Well, it DOES matter. Getting free tickets to games? Convincing players that can play that they can't and offering "same perks as players" to them?
How do you know those players could still play? Did you evaluate their medical charts? Both stated they were injured but neither said they passed the team physical. Griffin was quoted as saying he didn't dispute the failed physical. Chuck admits to having a back problem but wanted to play through it.
Why does the fact she's a Duke graduate have to do with anything? Duke? So Duke is a school out to get Bama now? What about the other guy that wrote the article? Did he come from a University that has some sort of problem with Alabama too?
C'mon, the whole "they graduated from *_____________*, so they must have an issue with Alabama defense is retarded.
You asked why the WSJ published the article. My answer was, maybe the author had a beef with Saban. Then we learn the author is a graduate of a school who had their ass handed to them by Alabama a week ago. Not only did they get their ass handed to them, but Alabama's backup quarterback was throwing for the endzone in the 2 minute drill before halftime, while up by 40.
I could see where that could piss someone off. Is it the reason the author wrote the article? Seems plausible, and you seemed real interested in getting an answer.
The article was written because the issues are not standard, everyday, okay happenings in a football program. It's shit like this that's going to get the unwanted attention brought to Alabama.
Never mind. You already knew the answer. Had you just stated this from the beginning instead of asking "why, why, why", you could have saved me the time of googling the author's name.
Call it reporters doing what reporters do if you want, but reporters doing what reporters do is ultimately what's going to earn Saban and Alabama a kick in the cash and prizes.
When the right person digs in the right spot and finally finds some substantial allegations against Saban or Alabama cheating, that's a very real possibility. But this ain't the article.
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Everyone hands Duke their entire ass in football. She'd have to write a lot of articles.
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Everyone hands Duke their entire ass in football. She'd have to write a lot of articles.
Good point, counselor. Now go fuck yourself.
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Good point, counselor. Now go fuck yourself.
If I could, I'd never leave the house. But then, all that relationship bullcrap would get in the way.
I love me
No I don't, I'm just saying that
No I'm not, it's true.
Well, I never take me anywhere. It's always sex, sex, sex.
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If I could, I'd never leave the house. But then, all that relationship bullcrap would get in the way.
I love me
No I don't, I'm just saying that
No I'm not, it's true.
Well, I never take me anywhere. It's always sex, sex, sex.
Yeah but at least you'd still have your balls.
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Yeah but at least you'd still have your balls.
Nope, those are long gone. They're in a mason jar on her desk at work. She likes to rattle them around and laugh maniacally in front of her freinds.
I hate it when she does that.
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I could careless what Bama is doing right now....
Couldn't...it's fucking couldn't...
Auburn plays a real team Saturday, and we have issues.
So? What does that have to do with anything? It's not like we are the ones getting shit prepared or have to get ready to play.
I would rather actually worry myself over our FB team and how the team in the article will butt rape us if we don't get better quickly.
Why get "worried" about shit that you have no control over?
Is this strategy anything like Bryant's strategy of keeping 200 players on scholarship so that no one could sign them as competition?
This is how I see it personally.
Not influence.. We just agree on some things.
Been reading Kaos shit?
When the right person digs in the right spot and finally finds some substantial allegations against Saban or Alabama cheating, that's a very real possibility. But this ain't the article.
I personally just see this as some more "win at all cost" type shit that I have known about the University of Alabama for all my 33 years on this planet. This is nothing more, nothing less. Is it shady...fuck yes it's shady. But it's within the rules and if it's within the rules...so be it. I think that Alabama will do whatever it takes, to have a winning program and to win national championships. If that means having to fuck 19 to 23 year olds over, so be it.
Kids want to go to a place that wins championships. But there are sacrifices that have to happen to constantly be at the top. If kids want to take that risk...don't complain about shit when stuff like this happens. Until there is a rule against shit like this, fuck it...
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I want my kid to play for Blue Mountain State.
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I want my kid to play for Blue Mountain State.
Well, at least you could see them pick up a victory in Oxford, MS.
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Can't wait for RWS's PERFECTLY good reason for this. No No People... Walk away! Nothing to see here......
Looks like I wasn't needed. Bottom line, alot of those kids got the same result had they stayed on the team. A free ride through college, and not playing on the team. They could have just got their scholarships snatched, and been shit out of luck. Those are year to year, you know.
No matter what school you look at, you will always have some kid bitter for something, whether he has been kicked off the team, left the team on his own, or is still on the team. For example, go ask DeRon Furr how he feels about AU.
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Like someone said earlier....wait screw that, I'm taking credit for it....if the kid wants to play football, transfer somewhere else. There's only 150,000 D1 schools and if Bama recruited you, you're obviously good enough to play somewhere. Hell, you're gettig a free ride regardless. Stop your bitchin' and move on.
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Looks like I wasn't needed. Bottom line, alot of those kids got the same result had they stayed on the team. A free ride through college, and not playing on the team. They could have just got their scholarships snatched, and been shit out of luck. Those are year to year, you know.
It's just shady is all. Also, the whole point, was that a paper that shouldn't give a shit about a who gives a shit subject, but does now, and is publishing it. It's just another cog in the machine, or rung in the ladder. Just more shit that wouldn't be there if Saban wasn't so hard up to be a douche bag.
No matter what school you look at, you will always have some kid bitter for something, whether he has been kicked off the team, left the team on his own, or is still on the team. For example, go ask DeRon Furr how he feels about AU.
You shouldn't have edited to add this last paragraph. It's just stupid, and has NOTHING to do with the subject. None.
No SHIT, there are bitter kids that get cut, run off, hurt and whatever from major college football. ...and Oh yes, the DeRon Furr thing is exactly the same thing the article was talking about. I'm sure it didn't have anything to do with a kid not getting to play where he wanted, then acted like a bitch followed by the rest of the team basically telling him to fuck off. Exactly the same as a kid being told he's too hurt to play.
Big. Fat. Fail.
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Couldn't...it's fucking couldn't...
So? What does that have to do with anything? It's not like we are the ones getting shit prepared or have to get ready to play.
Why get "worried" about shit that you have no control over?
This is how I see it personally.
Been reading Kaos shit?
I personally just see this as some more "win at all cost" type shit that I have known about the University of Alabama for all my 33 years on this planet. This is nothing more, nothing less. Is it shady...fuck yes it's shady. But it's within the rules and if it's within the rules...so be it. I think that Alabama will do whatever it takes, to have a winning program and to win national championships. If that means having to fuck 19 to 23 year olds over, so be it.
Kids want to go to a place that wins championships. But there are sacrifices that have to happen to constantly be at the top. If kids want to take that risk...don't complain about shit when stuff like this happens. Until there is a rule against shit like this, fuck it...
Worry about shit I have no control over? Thats the whole point of my post. IF I am going to worry about something, its MY team. Let Bama sort their shit out. Right now, they are owning everyone and we better start being aware instead of getting caught up in their trivial shit in the WSJ. As JR said - I know Saban is a douche. I don't need the WSJ to tell me that. We have a game against a very good team this weekend, and THIS shit is what we are talking about? My God.....
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I don't know what this kids problem is, he's getting a edumacaton and a Dodge Charger what else does he need?
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12/25 = .480
Jess sayin
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It's just shady is all. Also, the whole point, was that a paper that shouldn't give a shit about a who gives a shit subject, but does now, and is publishing it. It's just another cog in the machine, or rung in the ladder. Just more shit that wouldn't be there if Saban wasn't so hard up to be a douche bag.
You shouldn't have edited to add this last paragraph. It's just stupid, and has NOTHING to do with the subject. None.
No SHIT, there are bitter kids that get cut, run off, hurt and whatever from major college football. ...and Oh yes, the DeRon Furr thing is exactly the same thing the article was talking about. I'm sure it didn't have anything to do with a kid not getting to play where he wanted, then acted like a bitch followed by the rest of the team basically telling him to fuck off. Exactly the same as a kid being told he's too hurt to play.
Big. Fat. Fail.
It just proves my point that kids get bitter for various reasons, whether they are right or wrong about the situation.
Here are the options, as far as injuries:
1. Let the kid play hurt, he gets hurt even more, sues the school and blames the coaches and is pissed at them. Coaches pressured him to play hurt, they weren;t looking out for his well being, etc etc.
2. Don't let the kid play hurt, he gets a free ride, and he is pissed off at the coaches.
Did AU not get sued by a lineman not too long ago because he felt pressured to play hurt, and felt his rehab didn't go the way it should have? This is sort of the same type thing. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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It just proves my point that kids get bitter for various reasons, whether they are right or wrong about the situation.
lol.
Here are the options, as far as injuries:
1. Let the kid play hurt, he gets hurt even more, sues the school and blames the coaches and is pissed at them. Coaches pressured him to play hurt, they weren;t looking out for his well being, etc etc.
Agreed IFF they are independently tested. According to one, he was shocked, or surpised he didn't pass. He thought he was fine. If Saban wants that kid to fail a physical, I promise you the team physician is going to find a reason to fail them, or give them non-football options.
Again, half of the SEC medical dismissals over the last three years. It's a trend that seems bunk for bama.
2. Don't let the kid play hurt, he gets a free ride, and he is pissed off at the coaches.
Right, so let the kid continue to take player benefits also, like free tickets...right? Cause all students get this perk.....
Did AU not get sued by a lineman not too long ago because he felt pressured to play hurt, and felt his rehab didn't go the way it should have? This is sort of the same type thing. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
It's not the same thing. Not even close to the same sort. The player in question felt he wasn't getting the best care, and wanted to go to a private orthopedic surgeon, and Auburn didn't support it, leading to a bad situation. It WAS a bad situation, but not the same thing.
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I personally don't see the problem here. As was mentioned, a schollie is year to year. If a corch doesn't want a kid to take up a spot anymore and doesn't think he can help the team, for whatever reason, then he's going to be kicked to the curb by a lot of staffs. Tubby did his share of cleaning house when he got here as I imagine most corches do. The win/win here is that they're still offering the kid a schollie when they could punt him and let him fend for himself. I'm kicking my ownself in the testes (When I have them) by saying this, but it looks more like the University is holding up its end of the bargain by continuing to give them a free ride.
If the player wants to play foosball badly enough, I would think he would be smart enough to realize it ain't happenin' where he's at. Now, he can go and earn a scholarship elsewhere and play ball. How is this a bad thing?
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If the player wants to play foosball badly enough, I would think he would be smart enough to realize it ain't happenin' where he's at. Now, he can go and earn a scholarship elsewhere and play ball. How is this a bad thing?
Like Jacksonville St, North Alabama, MTSU and so on? Makes sense to me unless it wasn't a college degree they wasn't looking for to begin with.
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I personally don't see the problem here. As was mentioned, a schollie is year to year. If a corch doesn't want a kid to take up a spot anymore and doesn't think he can help the team, for whatever reason, then he's going to be kicked to the curb by a lot of staffs. Tubby did his share of cleaning house when he got here as I imagine most corches do. The win/win here is that they're still offering the kid a schollie when they could punt him and let him fend for himself. I'm kicking my ownself in the testes (When I have them) by saying this, but it looks more like the University is holding up its end of the bargain by continuing to give them a free ride.
If the player wants to play foosball badly enough, I would think he would be smart enough to realize it ain't happenin' where he's at. Now, he can go and earn a scholarship elsewhere and play ball. How is this a bad thing?
You'd be right if Alabama only had two or three, like other schools, but this corch and school account for half of these occurances in the last three years. Is it technically wrong? No. I'm not arguing that. What I'm suggesting, and what the article seems to suggest is that some of these kids aren't getting a fair shake to come back and contribute as players, and instead are being lead to believe they can't and should be taking other benefits and non-football roles instead.
THAT is the bullshit part of it. Not that it happens. It does. However, to shift and shuffle players just because you have another kid you fucked up and gave a spot to that wasn't actually open, is a problem. The same sort of problem that created the gray shirt criticizing.
This is an example of now a second way, in which Saban is overloading and then screwing college kids to get an advantage.
Is it legal? Yes. Ethical? I'm not thinking so much.
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Tigersx has talked about this more than tidesports.
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Tigersx has talked about this more than tidesports.
Don't you have tests to be grading?
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Don't you have tests to be grading?
pow pow!
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lol.
Laugh all you want. Stamp it with your "big fat fail" stamp all you want. It's true. I'm sure there are kids out there bitter towards AU for various reasons. It doesn't mean we should villify AU for it, though.
Agreed IFF they are independently tested. According to one, he was shocked, or surpised he didn't pass. He thought he was fine. If Saban wants that kid to fail a physical, I promise you the team physician is going to find a reason to fail them, or give them non-football options.
Again, half of the SEC medical dismissals over the last three years. It's a trend that seems bunk for bama.
You're attaching your own little stipulation to try an "win" your argument. The standard of care is by the team doctors. Until you come up with some pretty substantial proof that Saban is telling doctors to fail perfectly healthy kids, you don't have a leg to stand on with this argument.
Right, so let the kid continue to take player benefits also, like free tickets...right? Cause all students get this perk.....
So, how is this fair to the kids on the roster that are able to bring something to the table for the team? I mean, by keeping an injured kid who the coaches know they aren't ever going to play in a game on the roster, is that not taking away from the kids who are able to participate? Is it not just wasting the coaches time, and the kid who is injured time?
When a kid is injured, and the doctors say he shouldn't play or participate, you're creating a liability by having him around. I know that sounds bad, but it's true. Whether he is on the scout team, starting, or only lifting weights. All it takes is him aggrivating the injury and causing some permanent damage to sue the school. Either way, it will be the coaches fault in his mind.
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Tigersx has talked about this more than tidesports.
They long to be like Tigersx
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They want to be long like Tigersx
That is even better.
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I now regret my contribution to this thread.
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I now regret my contribution to this thread.
Don't be a puss, this is as important as real life shit.
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Don't be a puss, this is as important as real life shit.
VERY serious business.
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Great Thread. Would read again.
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Great Thread. Would read again.
Yeah. I'm not really sure what I was thinking. I haven't been suckered into one of these in a while.
You got me Chopper. You fucking got me.
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Don't you have tests to be grading?
It's Friday so you are correct.
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It's Friday so you are correct.
slacker
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Yeah. I'm not really sure what I was thinking. I haven't been suckered into one of these in a while.
You got me Chopper. You fucking got me.
It's the fuckin Catalina Wine Mixer!