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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: jmar on September 11, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
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Chizik motioned for a field goal on third down.
Automatic Wes waited another down, went in and drilled it.
Later, we might have taken a shot in the endzone (INT as good as a punt) but we opt for a FG try that would have put us up by six. Apparently we prefer to go by a gut feel instead of percentages... not when the other team can block... oh they just did!
WTF!!! Who is consulting who? Is anyone consulting anyone?
Did we ask the nine year old on the third row? Did the kid HAVE A COWBELL?
Do we plan to block their extra point when they score? They can't score, they just bat down wide open TD passes. They might not. Yes but they would have.
Where is my clipboard? You...don't have one Coach. Well find me one so I can at least look as if I am pondering something. You can call a timeout. Yes, but that looks like indecision.
The clock is running Coach.
Where?
So my question is this: Who makes the call? Chiz or Gus? Roof or Aubie?
There are a few other coaches in the SEC (Dan Mullen didn't earlier) that would have done similarly, and they won't be competing for the title. But we will I suppose, in spite of ourselves.
My team deserves better.
Fix it!
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Instead of paying these coaches all this money, I think we out to fire them, and simply put a bank of computers on the sideline and let the fans coach em. Just hook them up to the innerwebs and have them sign in to TigersX and do what folks posting tell them to do. No game plan, nothing...just like they're our own personal video game.
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Instead of paying these coaches all this money, I think we out to fire them, and simply put a bank of computers on the sideline and let the fans coach em. Just hook them up to the innerwebs and have them sign in to TigersX and do what folks posting tell them to do. No game plan, nothing...just like they're our own personal video game.
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Instead of paying these coaches all this money, I think we out to fire them, and simply put a bank of computers on the sideline and let the fans coach em. Just hook them up to the innerwebs and have them sign in to TigersX and do what folks posting tell them to do. No game plan, nothing...just like they're our own personal video game.
As a mere fan, I could pump sunshine. But this team has a real chance to be special. Nutt and Miles might even know better than to take such a chance as to kick a field goal. I am not much of an analytical person so I am willing to take chances, but for head coaches of a major university there is a model to go by and the best coaches in the game will follow this model more often than not. It is about having confidence in your defense. It is not some riverboat gambler poop that leaves everyone in a state of shock and robs your team of a possible victory. Personally I couldn't care less about computers making decisions but there are coaches out of coaching because of too many of these fly by the seat of my pants decisions. And no one of any consequence pays any attention to postings by fans anyway. I'm just wasting time and venting a little bit.
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This was not the correct call. That's all I am sayin'.
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This was not the correct call. That's all I am sayin'.
You always, ALWAYS assume your FG attempts will be blocked. Always.
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I think it was a dumb call too. But not because of a block. I just like putting the game away right there instead of giving Miss. St. a chance.
But is that what this thread is about? I got all fucked up reading the first post...
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You always, ALWAYS assume your FG attempts will be blocked. Always.
Not assuming a block. But it is a better strategy to try the endzone and trust your defense rather than play for a meaningless three while taking the chance of having the FG attempt blocked, possibly for a TD return. The first thing that occurred to me was that this is very risky, especially considering the numerous bullets the team had already dodged.
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I think it was a dumb call too. But not because of a block. I just like putting the game away right there instead of giving Miss. St. a chance.
But is that what this thread is about? I got all fucked up reading the first post...
Me too! The first post sort of messed me up too.
I'd have rather seen them take a shot too, but wasn't all that pissed with trying to get the points either.
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I didn't present the argument from an Auburn fan's perspective, but as a bystander.
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I didn't present the argument from an Auburn fan's perspective, but as a bystander.
I think I understood what you were getting at. However, I don't think it's as big a blunder of a call as you're making it out. It looks far worse knowing NOW that the FG was blocked. Fact is our D had only allowed one TD other than the short field given on the muffed punt. Adding a FG followed by a solidly covered KO would have mean they needed to drive the field for a TD to win. I think they thought the D could keep them out of the endzone on a long drive. Going for it, IN MY MIND, would have said they didn't trust the D to hold them. Yes a TD would have sealed it, but the 3 points would be a safe bet 90% of the time.
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I think I understood what you were getting at. However, I don't think it's as big a blunder of a call as you're making it out. It looks far worse knowing NOW that the FG was blocked. Fact is our D had only allowed one TD other than the short field given on the muffed punt. Adding a FG followed by a solidly covered KO would have mean they needed to drive the field for a TD to win. I think they thought the D could keep them out of the endzone on a long drive. Going for it, IN MY MIND, would have said they didn't trust the D to hold them. Yes a TD would have sealed it, but the 3 points would be a safe bet 90% of the time.
My argument was that (1) three points served no purpose when the other team had botched so many chances, (2) that we were opening ourselves up to other variables, (3) that even if they drove it down the field and tied it with a field goal we would still command an advantage, (4) If they score a touchdown, we have to block an extra point which seems ridiculous to even fathom. As much of a homer as I am, I just cannot watch a game without being critically objective. I simply hated the decision.
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Stupid Arm Chair Coaches make it hard to enjoy a victory. Usually, they're the loud ones that feel it necessary to voice their opinions...eventhough their opinions are wrong.
"Gaw!!!! You should've known that MSU was gonna block that FG!!!! How could Coach Chizik not know that!!! Boooo!!!! We want a winner not a loser!!!" :sad:
You go for the points, and you never assume that it's going to get blocked...That'd be like not calling a pass play during the entire game, because you assume that it'll be picked off.
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My argument was that (1) three points served no purpose when the other team had botched so many chances, (2) that we were opening ourselves up to other variables, (3) that even if they drove it down the field and tied it with a field goal we would still command an advantage, (4) If they score a touchdown, we have to block an extra point which seems ridiculous to even fathom. As much of a homer as I am, I just cannot watch a game without being critically objective. I simply hated the decision.
a 6 pt lead vs a 3 pt lead is huge. Getting in FG range to tie is a shitload easier than driving for a winning TD. when it's a 1 possession game, every point counts. Stupid Arm Chair Coaches make it hard to enjoy a victory. Usually, they're the loud ones that feel it necessary to voice their opinions...eventhough their opinions are wrong.
"Gaw!!!! You should've known that MSU was gonna block that FG!!!! How could Coach Chizik not know that!!! Boooo!!!! We want a winner not a loser!!!" :sad:
You go for the points, and you never assume that it's going to get blocked...That'd be like not calling a pass play during the entire game, because you assume that it'll be picked off.
I don't like chasing points either. You take what should be the sure points...there's never anything sure, but you play the percentages. In this case, calling the for FG was a higher percentage bet than throwing for a long TD. Making them go 80 yards for a TD to win, is a better bet than them driving 60 yards to get in FG range.
I get those that would have liked to have gone for the jugular, but this wasn't a blunder of Miles like proportions. It's just a helluva lot easier to criticize since the FG got blocked. Had it been made, nobody would have given it a second thought.
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No I think you take a shot at the endzone and if that fails they have to drive it three points down for a tie or potential win. The FG opens one up for disasterous results. Did a block never occur to you Prowler, anyone? It did to me. Are we stupid armchair QB's if we question some decisions or are we stupid for never questioning any decisions?
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I had rather trust my defense to hold State to at least a FG and a potential OT than to risk them blocking a FG or botched snap and a possible run back for a TD. We had the best team.
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No I think you take a shot at the endzone and if that fails they have to drive it three points down for a tie or potential win. The FG opens one up for disasterous results. Did a block never occur to you Prowler, anyone? It did to me. Are we stupid armchair QB's if we question some decisions or are we stupid for never questioning any decisions?
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I had rather trust my defense to hold State to at least a FG and a potential OT than to risk them blocking a FG or botched snap and a possible run back for a TD. We had the best team.
An interception opens it up to disasterous results too. Punting does, running the draw does. If you're being honest, you know that a FG, and holding them out of the endzone is the high percentage play, but I don't think you're going to be honest. Actually a "block" crosses my mind every time we line up for one...it don't happen very often. It IS the higher percentage play. But since it did get blocked, you go that going for you. I have the fact we won going for my side of the argument.
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An interception opens it up to disasterous results too. Punting does, running the draw does. If you're being honest, you know that a FG, and holding them out of the endzone is the high percentage play, but I don't think you're going to be honest. Actually a "block" crosses my mind every time we line up for one...it don't happen very often. It IS the higher percentage play. But since it did get blocked, you go that going for you. I have the fact we won going for my side of the argument.
So what's with the question of my "honesty" got to do with an impasse. You are the attorney. Explain why someone disagreeing with another somehow summons honesty into the conversation when we are discussing a FG attempt?
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No Jmar...you're stupid. So, you just shut your mouf and get back in your hole
And to answer your question, no...why would the thought of MSU blocking the fieldgoal cross my mind??? Maybe if I'm a "negative nancy", but I'm not...I'm a positive type person. So, Jmar, you're okay with Auburn going for the TD and not getting it, then having MSU drive down the field to tie it with a FG, but you're not okay with Auburn going for the higher percentage play (a FG), then making MSU drive the field to score a TD? Lemme repeat...YOU TAKE THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE PLAY, with in this case was a FG.
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No Jmar...you're stupid. So, you just shut your mouf and get back in your hole
And to answer your question, no...why would the thought of MSU blocking the fieldgoal cross my mind??? Maybe if I'm a "negative nancy", but I'm not...I'm a positive type person. So, Jmar, you're okay with Auburn going for the TD and not getting it, then having MSU drive down the field to tie it with a FG, but you're not okay with Auburn going for the higher percentage play (a FG), then making MSU drive the field to score a TD? Lemme repeat...YOU TAKE THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE PLAY, with in this case was a FG.
That's your argument! "...you're stupid." Prowler you can't argue objectively because you are the self-styled PR mouthpiece for this site. A couple of weeks ago I believe you made a statement about your reluctance to pump sunshine which would have been hysterically funny except I think you were dead serious. Alabama fan, Shane of C'point might be the only guy in this state that might match your enthusiasm as a fan. You're very knowledgeable and seem to be a nice guy and we pull for the same team only I don't think we can argue on the same plane.
I think we stop State in either scenario which demonstrates my confidence in our defense and we don't risk a possible disasterous result. Again, we had the best team. It's okay to disagree. But I'm one to question some decisions especially in a close game when you wouldn't give it a second thought as you go merrily on lock-step. War Eagle!
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Stupid Arm Chair Coaches make it hard to enjoy a victory. Usually, they're the loud ones that feel it necessary to voice their opinions...eventhough their opinions are wrong.
"Gaw!!!! You should've known that MSU was gonna block that FG!!!! How could Coach Chizik not know that!!! Boooo!!!! We want a winner not a loser!!!" :sad:
You go for the points, and you never assume that it's going to get blocked...That'd be like not calling a pass play during the entire game, because you assume that it'll be picked off.
THIS! Even though you are a dumbass like myself Prowler, I feel your pain and times 2
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So what's with the question of my "honesty" got to do with an impasse. You are the attorney. Explain why someone disagreeing with another somehow summons honesty into the conversation when we are discussing a FG attempt?
Honest with yourself. I think you feel painted in to a corner, and refuse to look at what you're saying, and instead are just going to stand by it no matter what rather than change your stance. But it is your opinion, and you're entitled to it.
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I don't need to change my stance because I think my stance is fairly solid. What I will do is move on to something else because the object of the argument has changed into the subject in a manner of speaking.
I do this for personal enjoyment and to wind down, not intending necessarily to cause anything more than a discussion. At times I might choose to defend or attack from either viewpoint and do not really have to feel strongly about the subject one way or the other. I purposely steer clear of many subjects and I sometimes weigh that subject before I offer an opinion because others might take me wrong. You see when you used the word "honest" I was aware that you were using it figuratively much like a grandmother appealing to a stubborn kid. Then it escalated from another to "you're stupid", which is straight from the playground.
I've been a sidewalk Auburn fan for forty years. And I have a somewhat different perspective on Auburn football than what we see now. I might be critical in a reflective sense but it doesn't change how I feel about Auburn. I want my team to perform well in the lead role on the big stage, not just audition for a small part. Hey I was happy with the 3-2 win over State where other Auburn fans couldn't be. But we have a much better opportunity this year and I wanted the team to hit the gate running. Maybe my expectations are too high, but then I always try to be positive about the team's chances all while remaining objectively critical.
An armchair QB (or fan with an opinion) is only a derogatory term outside of sports.
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Instead of paying these coaches all this money, I think we out to fire them, and simply put a bank of computers on the sideline and let the fans coach em. Just hook them up to the innerwebs and have them sign in to TigersX and do what folks posting tell them to do. No game plan, nothing...just like they're our own personal video game.
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My sentiments exactly.
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Jmar, you and aren't arguing....I'm pointing out the facts that you're a Ra-Tard and that you should never question anything Coach Malzahn does, mainly because you aren't a coach.
Also, I've never said anything about pumping sunshine or not. There's no sunshine pumping when you stick to the facts.
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Jmar, you and aren't arguing....I'm pointing out the facts that you're a Ra-Tard and that you should never question anything Coach Malzahn does, mainly because you aren't a coach.
Also, I've never said anything about pumping sunshine or not. There's no sunshine pumping when you stick to the facts.
Hey I'm on the "Gus bus" but you seem certain HE made the call by your response, again with the childish name calling, which seems to be your calling card.
When I'm not an armchair QB, I drive a truck. When former head coach Dr. Lou isn't providing comments, doing commercials or giving motivational speeches, he is an armchair QB. That's what fans of sports DO.
Some people like video games or fantasy teams just like you enjoy keeping up with recruiting and applying arbitrary "grille" ratings and I happen to appreciate your service as the recruiting info guy.
There are no experts here, just opinions. But I will question as I please like it or not.
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Hey I'm on the "Gus bus" but you seem certain HE made the call by your response, again with the childish name calling, which seems to be your calling card.
When I'm not an armchair QB, I drive a truck. When former head coach Dr. Lou isn't providing comments, doing commercials or giving motivational speeches, he is an armchair QB. That's what fans of sports DO.
Some people like video games or fantasy teams just like you enjoy keeping up with recruiting and applying arbitrary "grille" ratings and I happen to appreciate your service as the recruiting info guy.
There are no experts here, just opinions. But I will question as I please like it or not.
Question away! Having the right to question...doesn't mean the right to have your opinions floated out there without question.
I just watched the replay on CSS. The announcers (Rece Davis and Jesse Palmer) never once even suggested Auburn should go for it. The moment Cam lost that 3 yards on 3rd down Davis said "Chizik will certainly send out the FG unit". After the fact neither of them even hinted at suggesting Auburn should have considered going for it.
I've run this question by coaches in the last few hours in the form of: If this were the situation (2:25 left, 4 and 3 on the opponents 20, up 17-14.. They, all offered what they would do. A small minority said they'd go for it because that's just the way they coach and play the game. The vast majority said that they'd want to know other details like about the opponent's kicker, the general tenor of the game...how it had come to be that...and they almost all said they'd probably kick but might go for it depending on other unknown factors, but almost all said, it wasn't really clear cut, and that neither would be wrong at the time, but of course, like all such decisions, and knowledge of the outcome, open to criticism should the decision go badly. None of them even remotely suggested that it was a certain "go for it" situation except for the fact that THEY do it that way anyway. Even they said "other's would probably kick the FG".
You said you were going to leave this alone, but didn't. Bottom line...you may have wanted Auburn to go for it, but it's nowhere near the monumental, Les Miles-ish type blunder that you're making it out to be. Not even fucking close to a blunder, not in the same ball park. Have your opinions, voice them...be ready for replies.
Oh, and I suspect, that since Chiz is the HC, that he decided to kick it...I suspect that he really didn't entertain the thought of going for it for very long. HE made the decision, as that's what HC's do on gameday.
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Jmar, it's also a Cardinal SIN to question the HC...Especially an offensive mastermind in Coach Chizik. Say three Hail Marys and bang your head on a sturdy table four times.
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Okay guys I do like the mastermind in the Chiz. I will leave it alone only I didn't say I would prior to JR's comment but nevertheless if you feel strongly enough to investigate the matter, there must have been an inkling of doubt in your mind. I've got to go to work (my hole Prowler) and will be back the weekend hopefully to see us hit on all cylinders. Can Musburger sing our praises? Who's working the game?
I tried to find the replay earlier and settled on the Raider- Titan game. Looks like Campbell is gonna get pounded this season. Marks is on DL for Titans, Groves a LB for Raiders.
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The "mistake" was the play before. 2 downs to make 1 1/2 yards and the game is virtually over. A 215 pound Rudi/Emmit clone...a 6'6" 250 pound QB....a 240 pound fullback...and the choice is play action. Bang, 3 yard loss.
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The "mistake" was the play before. 2 downs to make 1 1/2 yards and the game is virtually over. A 215 pound Rudi/Emmit clone...a 6'6" 250 pound QB....a 240 pound fullback...and the choice is play action. Bang, 3 yard loss.
Listen to him, he's pre-madonna.
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The "mistake" was the play before. 2 downs to make 1 1/2 yards and the game is virtually over. A 215 pound Rudi/Emmit clone...a 6'6" 250 pound QB....a 240 pound fullback...and the choice is play action. Bang, 3 yard loss.
And that's why you want to something the defense isn't expecting...you've got one of 10 options to catch the D offguard. Pooch Punt on 3rd down, Field Goal on 3rd down, take a knee, Playaction Pass, Fleaflicker, Reverse, Reverse Pass, Double Reverse, Double Reverse Pass and the Oopty-Oop.
DAMN IT COACH MALZAHN!!!! WHY DID WE NOT DO THE OOPTY-OOP....GAH!!!!!!!!!
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And that's why you want to something the defense isn't expecting...you've got one of 10 options to catch the D offguard. Pooch Punt on 3rd down, Field Goal on 3rd down, take a knee, Playaction Pass, Fleaflicker, Reverse, Reverse Pass, Double Reverse, Double Reverse Pass and the Oopty-Oop.
DAMN IT COACH MALZAHN!!!! WHY DID WE NOT DO THE OOPTY-OOP....GAH!!!!!!!!!
It's always 'bad play calling' when it doesn't work...never just the fucking guys on the field didn't execute it or it got blown up...it's always "he should have called something else".
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He should have gotten the first down and put the game away.
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He should have gotten the first down and put the game away.
"Perfect first down play, perfect first down play, on one, on one, reeeeeaaady, BREAK!"
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Again - I didn't like the call but nothing to do with the FG Block. I hated it before they even kicked the ball.
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"Perfect first down play, perfect first down play, on one, on one, reeeeeaaady, BREAK!"
You guys are out thinking yourselves. ONE yard to go. TWO downs to make ONE stinking yard. The game is OVER. You have a 6'6" 250 lb. QB, a 240 pound fullback and a 215 lb. bowling ball running back and a group of seniors on your interior line. Yes indeed, first down play on one. Instead, our D has to hang on for dear life and got extremely lucky because of a dropped pass. Ram the fucking ball in there for ONE yard and the game is over. Why is this so hard?
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You guys are out thinking yourselves. ONE yard to go. TWO downs to make ONE stinking yard. The game is OVER. You have a 6'6" 250 lb. QB, a 240 pound fullback and a 215 lb. bowling ball running back and a group of seniors on your interior line. Yes indeed, first down play on one. Instead, our D has to hang on for dear life and got extremely lucky because of a dropped pass. Ram the fucking ball in there for ONE yard and the game is over. Why is this so hard?
Have to agree with Dothan's most caring lawyer.
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But he's no pirate, unless you count teh butts.
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But he's no pirate, unless you count teh butts.
I was definitely counting those.
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You guys are out thinking yourselves. ONE yard to go. TWO downs to make ONE stinking yard. The game is OVER. You have a 6'6" 250 lb. QB, a 240 pound fullback and a 215 lb. bowling ball running back and a group of seniors on your interior line. Yes indeed, first down play on one. Instead, our D has to hang on for dear life and got extremely lucky because of a dropped pass. Ram the fucking ball in there for ONE yard and the game is over. Why is this so hard?
This offense is a downhill running offense, is it not? When you have tools like that, it's hard to go with anything other than pound the rock. Somebody can say "Well, the defense will be ready for the run up the middle, because it's 3rd and short." That's what being a good team is all about.....even when the other team knows what you're going to do, you do it anyways, and it still works. If the guys on the field aren't executing the play where they can get the yardage even when the defense knows what's going to happen, then that's a problem somewhere else. This is why some teams are better than other teams. Becuase they have better players, better ability, etc.
Have to agree with Snaggle.....you need 1 yard, you have some big corn fed fuckers at your disposal, your offense is geared towards the run, senior OL.....pound it in.
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You guys are out thinking yourselves. ONE yard to go. TWO downs to make ONE stinking yard. The game is OVER. You have a 6'6" 250 lb. QB, a 240 pound fullback and a 215 lb. bowling ball running back and a group of seniors on your interior line. Yes indeed, first down play on one. Instead, our D has to hang on for dear life and got extremely lucky because of a dropped pass. Ram the fucking ball in there for ONE yard and the game is over. Why is this so hard?
Like I was suggesting...it's all good playcalling when it works, it's bad play calling when it doesn't. If they'd have run Dyer up the middle...AGAIN, and gotten stuffed, y'all be bitching about the play calling on that too. Why? Well mainly because it didn't work...in fact ONLY because it didn't work.
Below is the play by play, w/ time from the last punt from MSU until the failed 3d down play.
4 2:35 Auburn Newton rush middle for -3 yards to the MissSt 20. 17 14
4 3:25 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 2 yards to the MissSt 17. 17 14
4 4:00 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 7 yards to the MissSt 19. 17 14
4 4:50 Auburn Burns pass completion to the left to Newton for 22 yards to the MissSt 26. 17 14
4 5:20 Auburn Dyer rush left for 2 yards to the MissSt 48. 17 14
4 6:00 Auburn Dyer rush left for 11 yards to the MissSt 50. 17 14
4 6:30 Auburn Dyer rush left for 16 yards to the Auburn 38.
Yes, Dyer up the middle, off tackle, or whatever would have been "the smart" play call UNLESS wasn't. Then it would be "they had run that same damn play 5 of the last 6 plays." They knew it was coming. Which they had, and which was well designed to set up play action, to throw a TD pass to ice the game, or get a big gain for a first down. I'm not saying it was right, or wrong, it just was, and it appeares to me (read as just my opinion) that they were trying to set up a coup de gras by making MSU think they were milking the clock with Dyer. They'd just run the double pass, and maybe they thought MSU was thinking THAT was their one kill shot and they're going to milk it from here...at any rate...bitch if that's what you have to do. It wasn't a forgone conclusion that Dyer, or any of the backs would get the 4 yards needed for the first down on 4th down, or even gotten the one needed on 2 downs on 3rd and 4th down. It is ALWAYS a forgone conclusion that not only will the fans be disappointed if the play they call to get it doesn't work, the fans will also think they could have done a better job of calling the play tha the guy that gets paid nearly a mil a year to call the plays called.
Do coaches outthink themselves? Yes, I think they do. Would we have been better to keep pounding the rock with Dyer? Yes, unless we weren't, then we'd still be having this conversation, but it would instead be about how conservative Malzahn got when the game was on the line.
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Like I was suggesting...it's all good playcalling when it works, it's bad play calling when it doesn't. If they'd have run Dyer up the middle...AGAIN, and gotten stuffed, y'all be bitching about the play calling on that too. Why? Well mainly because it didn't work...in fact ONLY because it didn't work.
Below is the play by play, w/ time from the last punt from MSU until the failed 3d down play.
4 2:35 Auburn Newton rush middle for -3 yards to the MissSt 20. 17 14
4 3:25 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 2 yards to the MissSt 17. 17 14
4 4:00 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 7 yards to the MissSt 19. 17 14
4 4:50 Auburn Burns pass completion to the left to Newton for 22 yards to the MissSt 26. 17 14
4 5:20 Auburn Dyer rush left for 2 yards to the MissSt 48. 17 14
4 6:00 Auburn Dyer rush left for 11 yards to the MissSt 50. 17 14
4 6:30 Auburn Dyer rush left for 16 yards to the Auburn 38.
Yes, Dyer up the middle, off tackle, or whatever would have been "the smart" play call UNLESS wasn't. Then it would be "they had run that same damn play 5 of the last 6 plays." They knew it was coming. Which they had, and which was well designed to set up play action, to throw a TD pass to ice the game, or get a big gain for a first down. I'm not saying it was right, or wrong, it just was, and it appeares to me (read as just my opinion) that they were trying to set up a coup de gras by making MSU think they were milking the clock with Dyer. They'd just run the double pass, and maybe they thought MSU was thinking THAT was their one kill shot and they're going to milk it from here...at any rate...bitch if that's what you have to do. It wasn't a forgone conclusion that Dyer, or any of the backs would get the 4 yards needed for the first down on 4th down, or even gotten the one needed on 2 downs on 3rd and 4th down. It is ALWAYS a forgone conclusion that not only will the fans be disappointed if the play they call to get it doesn't work, the fans will also think they could have done a better job of calling the play tha the guy that gets paid nearly a mil a year to call the plays called.
Do coaches outthink themselves? Yes, I think they do. Would we have been better to keep pounding the rock with Dyer? Yes, unless we weren't, then we'd still be having this conversation, but it would instead be about how conservative Malzahn got when the game was on the line.
Thanks, Prowler.
You are getting a little wordy, though. Stick to skreetz and grillz. Kthxbai.
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quote function 1, wes 0, but nice try. And you know I'm right.
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quote function 1, wes 0, but nice try. And you know I'm right.
Quote taunt fail +1
He bloded Dyer up the middle twice for 2 yards each. Game over.
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quote function 1, wes 0, but nice try. And you know I'm right.
Dammit. Jumbo, I need the remedial quote class again.
I'll leave the incriminating evidence up for everyone to point and laugh at.
And, yes, JR, you are right....unless you're not. And then we'd still be having this conversation.
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Quote taunt fail +1
He bloded Dyer up the middle twice for 2 yards each. Game over.
I concur, unless I don't.
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Dammit. Jumbo, I need the remedial quote class again.
I'll leave the incriminating evidence up for everyone to point and laugh at.
And, yes, JR, you are right....unless you're not. And then we'd still be having this conversation.
and laughing
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This thread confuses me
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4 2:35 Auburn Newton rush middle for -3 yards to the MissSt 20. 17 14
4 3:25 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 2 yards to the MissSt 17. 17 14
4 4:00 Auburn Dyer rush middle for 7 yards to the MissSt 19. 17 14
4 4:50 Auburn Burns pass completion to the left to Newton for 22 yards to the MissSt 26. 17 14
4 5:20 Auburn Dyer rush left for 2 yards to the MissSt 48. 17 14
4 6:00 Auburn Dyer rush left for 11 yards to the MissSt 50. 17 14
4 6:30 Auburn Dyer rush left for 16 yards to the Auburn 38.
Yes, Dyer up the middle, off tackle, or whatever would have been "the smart" play call UNLESS wasn't. Then it would be "they had run that same damn play 5 of the last 6 plays." They knew it was coming. Which they had, and which was well designed to set up play action, to throw a TD pass to ice the game, or get a big gain for a first down. I'm not saying it was right, or wrong, it just was, and it appeares to me (read as just my opinion) that they were trying to set up a coup de gras by making MSU think they were milking the clock with Dyer. They'd just run the double pass, and maybe they thought MSU was thinking THAT was their one kill shot and they're going to milk it from here...at any rate...bitch if that's what you have to do. It wasn't a forgone conclusion that Dyer, or any of the backs would get the 4 yards needed for the first down on 4th down, or even gotten the one needed on 2 downs on 3rd and 4th down. It is ALWAYS a forgone conclusion that not only will the fans be disappointed if the play they call to get it doesn't work, the fans will also think they could have done a better job of calling the play tha the guy that gets paid nearly a mil a year to call the plays called.
Do coaches outthink themselves? Yes, I think they do. Would we have been better to keep pounding the rock with Dyer? Yes, unless we weren't, then we'd still be having this conversation, but it would instead be about how conservative Malzahn got when the game was on the line.
Dyer's previous 5 runs averaged 7 ypc. I agree with your statement with how fans are, to an extent. However, your offense is geared towards the downhill run. My theory is when you need a play, you go with what your team's strength is to get that first down. If that is the play action, or run up the middle, wildcat, triple option, then so be it. If it works, it works. But, just as an example, if the game is on the line and my team needs a first down and only has 1 yard to go and has two downs to do it, I want them to run that fucking ball. That's what we're built to do. Pound the ball between the tackles. That's what we do best. I'm not a coach. Maybe the play action was, in Malzahn's opinion, the best way to go for AU. Maybe that's AU's strength. Like you said, we could argue it forever one way or another. My opinion is that he overthought it. But that's just my opinion.
Like I said before, part of being a good team is having the right players, and having the ability to make it work your way even when the opposing team knows what you are about to do. Part of being a good team is knowing that you can go out there and gain a yard on the ground over the span of 2 downs against a lesser talented SEC team.
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Dyer's previous 5 runs averaged 7 ypc. I agree with your statement with how fans are, to an extent. However, your offense is geared towards the downhill run. My theory is when you need a play, you go with what your team's strength is to get that first down. If that is the play action, or run up the middle, wildcat, triple option, then so be it. If it works, it works. But, just as an example, if the game is on the line and my team needs a first down and only has 1 yard to go and has two downs to do it, I want them to run that fucking ball. That's what we're built to do. Pound the ball between the tackles. That's what we do best. I'm not a coach. Maybe the play action was, in Malzahn's opinion, the best way to go for AU. Maybe that's AU's strength. Like you said, we could argue it forever one way or another. My opinion is that he overthought it. But that's just my opinion.
Like I said before, part of being a good team is having the right players, and having the ability to make it work your way even when the opposing team knows what you are about to do. Part of being a good team is knowing that you can go out there and gain a yard on the ground over the span of 2 downs against a lesser talented SEC team.
As I said, Dyer up the middle would have been the right call..unless it wasn't.
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The perfect play to call, to get one yard, is the QB sneak...under the Center. If any disagrees, then you are a ra-tard you shouldn't have a license to operate a motor vehicle...and should seek immediate help, unless whatever call, you'd make, actually picks up the needed yard...then you're a fuckin'
genious smart person or your name is Gus Malzahn.
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Just being an ass, but did our "strategy" not produce a win?
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The perfect play to call, to get one yard, is the QB sneak...under the Center. If any disagrees, then you are a ra-tard you shouldn't have a license to operate a motor vehicle...and should seek immediate help, unless whatever call, you'd make, actually picks up the needed yard...then you're a fuckin' genious smart person or your name is Gus Malzahn.
A full yard? Not every time. A "short yard". Yeah. It's probably the safest call to not go backwards, UNLESS you're a shotgun spread team that doesn't take under center snaps a bunch, then you raise the pucker factor beyond that of even a normal play under center. But, with a cool headed 6-5 250lb qb, it's a solid bet.
Just being an ass, but did our "strategy" not produce a win?
That's beside the fucking point.