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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AWK on August 18, 2010, 11:50:40 AM
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absolutely sucked ass in the scrimmage last night. The offense won 82 - 25...
This has me seriously worried...
"We didn't respond," said linebacker Craig Stevens. "We've got to find a way to pick it up."
Stevens said the first team played about half the time.
"But both defenses were off and on," he said.
"We missed too many tackles,'' said defensive coordinator Ted Roof.
Really!?!?!? No shit...
Stevens: “We didn’t do too well today. We had a little adversity early. They jumped out on us. We tried to find a way to respond but we just couldn’t get it done.”
Defensive coordinator Ted Roof: “We’ve got to be able to adjust to the tempo of the game and play with the speed of the game because as a defense you don’t dictate that — you dictate how you play. And that’s what we’ve got to concern ourselves with.”
Assistant coach Tracy Rocker made the entire defensive line work some extra conditioning drills after the scrimmage. Based on how sweaty those players were upon exiting Jordan-Hare Stadium, I’d say it was a rigorous session.
Sigh...Thoughts?
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absolutely sucked ass in the scrimmage last night. The offense won 82 - 25...
This has me seriously worried...
Really!?!?!? No shit...
Sigh...Thoughts?
The glass-half-full side of me wants to say that that is awesome news for the offense.
The realist says
What the bloody fuck, D?!?! We will lose a bare minimum of 5 games solely because you assholes can't fucking tackle!!!
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The glass-half-full side of me wants to say that that is awesome news for the offense.
The realist says
What the bloody fuck, D?!?! We will lose a bare minimum of 5 games solely because you assholes can't fucking tackle!!!
The worst part about it...
That was a SENIOR linebacker saying that we are having problems tackling...not a freshman or sophomore...sigh. Fuck you Ted Roof...do something.
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I'm not going to totally freak out as of yet. I do think that the offense had something to do with this. Yes, it is the issue with tackling but this is the first report of bad tackling thus far. Now if we're in the game against Ark St and this is an issue, then Houston we have a problem.
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I'm not going to totally freak out as of yet. I do think that the offense had something to do with this. Yes, it is the issue with tackling but this is the first report of bad tackling thus far. Now if we're in the game against Ark St and this is an issue, then Houston we have a problem.
This
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I'm not going to totally freak out as of yet. I do think that the offense had something to do with this. Yes, it is the issue with tackling but this is the first report of bad tackling thus far. Now if we're in the game against Ark St and this is an issue, then Houston we have a problem.
Question: Do you see any reports of bad tackling coming out of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or UGA?
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Question: Do you see any reports of bad tackling coming out of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or UGA?
Bama's D was lit up in their scrimmage, but I don't know if it was bad tackling or Whoooleo.
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Question: Do you see any reports of bad tackling coming out of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or UGA?
Nope. Not looking for them either. Also, I don't think any of them have seen our offense ( version Cam.0).
Come off the ledge. The defense did well in scrimmage #1. This was only scrimmage #2.
JMO...
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Nope. Not looking for them either. Also, I don't think any of them have seen our offense ( version Cam.0).
Come off the ledge. The defense did well in scrimmage #1. This was only scrimmage #2.
JMO...
This was scrimmage #3, and the offense got the best of the defense during the 2nd scrimmage, but it wasn't this bad. Specifically, Trovon Reed, a freshman.
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Question: Do you see any reports of bad tackling coming out of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or UGA?
Well, I don't really follow their scrimmages.
Seriously, come down from the ledge Kaos. If this happens every game for a couple of games, then we shall revisit.
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Nope. Not looking for them either. Also, I don't think any of them have seen our offense ( version Cam.0).
Come off the ledge. The defense did well in scrimmage #1. This was only scrimmage #2.
JMO...
Actually Scrimmage #3
I read the article. Here's the thing we go through this every summer. Usually the defense wins all the battles and we are saying man our offense is gonna stink. I have this discussion numerous times with SEC fans and it is circular logic, we won't know until they get out there and play a team. The question always is? "Is the defense that bad or is the offense that good?", or the opposite "Is the offense that bad and the defense that good?".
As far as Ted Roof goes, again no defending him, however these kids have been playing football for how many years? Coaches can't make the tackles for them!!
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Well, I don't really follow their scrimmages.
Seriously, come down from the ledge Kaos. If this happens every game for a couple of games, then we shall revisit.
I'm not on a ledge DKW, I'm just saying that if the defense has not improved from last year we will win 6 - 8 games at the most. That's a fact.
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Actually Scrimmage #3
I read the article. Here's the thing we go through this every summer. Usually the defense wins all the battles and we are saying man our offense is gonna stink. I have this discussion numerous times with SEC fans and it is circular logic, we won't know until they get out there and play a team. The question always is? "Is the defense that bad or is the offense that good?", or the opposite "Is the offense that bad and the defense that good?".
As far as Ted Roof goes, again no defending him, however these kids have been playing football for how many years? Coaches can't make the tackles for them!!
THIS....
Either each will look avg or one is going to dominate the other. In a scrimmage, its hard to have a side that doesn't look bad.
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Two things...... #1. I read where Roof said he saw a lot of bad things that all were "correctable". I could have sworn he said the same thing last year. If that is the case then please to be correcting teh mistakes. His seniors and juniors shouldn't have poor tackling technique and taking bad angles. Can some of that be blamed on the players? Can it be blamed on the coaches? Now I was the biggest fan of Roof when he was hired, so maybe that is clouding my judgment.
#2. It was just a scrimmage report, a scrimmage that most folks didn't have access to watch. I hate having to judge this kind of thing. Did the D look bad b/c the O is just that good, or did the O look good b/c the D is just that bad. I will wait until we see the product on the field before passing judgment.
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Two things...... #1. I read where Roof said he saw a lot of bad things that all were "correctable". I could have sworn he said the same thing last year. If that is the case then please to be correcting teh mistakes. His seniors and juniors shouldn't have poor tackling technique and taking bad angles. Can some of that be blamed on the players? Can it be blamed on the coaches? Now I was the biggest fan of Roof when he was hired, so maybe that is clouding my judgment.
#2. It was just a scrimmage report, a scrimmage that most folks didn't have access to watch. I hate having to judge this kind of thing. Did the D look bad b/c the O is just that good, or did the O look good b/c the D is just that bad. I will wait until we see the product on the field before passing judgment.
By the time we step on the field, practice is over. These "correctable mistakes" should have been fixed. If not, we are in big trouble...
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absolutely sucked ass in the scrimmage last night. The offense won 82 - 25...
This has me seriously worried...
Really!?!?!? No shit...
Sigh...Thoughts?
Thoughts? It's a preseason scrimmage...it's largely meaningless.
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Thoughts? It's a preseason scrimmage...it's largely meaningless.
Practice makes perfect...
unless we look bad, then it's meaningless. Check.
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Question: Do you see any reports of bad tackling coming out of Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or UGA?
As a matter of fact, I talked to a friend of mine today...a former bammer player...he says they're barely doing any tackling at all in Tuscaloser...their legs are too tired, and they were sucking wind, so they're not working full speed tackling.
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Practice makes perfect...
unless we look bad, then it's meaningless. Check.
Scrimmage stats are meaningless.
It's not meaningless when they say they're not tackling well...I'll give you that. And that concerns me some...no worse than last year...most of which I attribute to depth and just running out of gas. If Auburn can't tackle, then Roof should be fired...but there's lots of reasons things might have gone the way they did, and again, it's a pre-season scrimmage, and it's largely meaningless, especially stats.
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Actually Scrimmage #3
I read the article. Here's the thing we go through this every summer. Usually the defense wins all the battles and we are saying man our offense is gonna stink. I have this discussion numerous times with SEC fans and it is circular logic, we won't know until they get out there and play a team. The question always is? "Is the defense that bad or is the offense that good?", or the opposite "Is the offense that bad and the defense that good?".
As far as Ted Roof goes, again no defending him, however these kids have been playing football for how many years? Coaches can't make the tackles for them!!
THIS....
Either each will look avg or one is going to dominate the other. In a scrimmage, its hard to have a side that doesn't look bad.
Thankfully there are people on the board that understand a bit about the nuances of football, practice, players, and such.
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Thankfully there are people on the board that understand a bit about the nuances of football, practice, players, and such.
I understand that the problems they are stating with the defense are the SAME PROBLEMS we had last year. That is unacceptable. It has nothing to do with nuances or if it is a scrimmage...
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I understand that the problems they are stating with the defense are the SAME PROBLEMS we had last year. That is unacceptable. It has nothing to do with nuances or if it is a scrimmage...
Unacceptable? To you? Who died and made you queen?
And yeah, it has a lot to do with circumstances.
The "problems" last year were, in large part, due to lack of depth, and tired legs. That happens to best defenses when they get tired. It also happens to occur in the heat of summer too. If our 1s, on fresh legs, can't tackle, then I say fire Roof, and in fact, the whole D staff. Maybe even Chizik...he is afterall, a D guru...do YOU think he doesn't know how to recognize poor fundamentals, and correct something as basic as tackling? Seriously? Do you? Or do you think you might need to quit jumping up and down on the panic button on this, the 18th fucking day of August based on a couple of sound bites after a scrimmage?
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Unacceptable? To you? Who died and made you queen?
And yeah, it has a lot to do with circumstances.
The "problems" last year were, in large part, due to lack of depth, and tired legs. That happens to best defenses when they get tired. It also happens to occur in the heat of summer too. If our 1s, on fresh legs, can't tackle, then I say fire Roof, and in fact, the whole D staff. Maybe even Chizik...he is afterall, a D guru...do YOU think he doesn't know how to recognize poor fundamentals, and correct something as basic as tackling? Seriously? Do you? Or do you think you might need to quit jumping up and down on the panic button on this, the 18th fucking day of August based on a couple of sound bites after a scrimmage?
Its like you complete my thoughts JR.
Seriously Taylor, its a scrimmage. It has everything to do with it being a scrimmage and how they are structured. It would be like basing the season off what happened at A Day. I have never seen a direct correlation between vibes off practice and the real season as far as X's and O's. The only time I can remember a practice being a foreshadowing of what was to come was the implosion that was 2008 when fights were breaking out in practice and there was a lack of team atmosphere. Roof has had success at every other stop as a Defensive Coach. His defense was depleted to the core last year. When guys are exhausted, tackling WILL suffer. He has some new guys in there this year to solidify the depth. This will take some time for the D to gel as a whole.
And you may be right - we may STINK on D this year, but at least base it off what happens in games instead of preemptively raising the panic flag.
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By the time we step on the field, practice is over. These "correctable mistakes" should have been fixed. If not, we are in big trouble...
I can totally agree with that. I just don't put a whole lot of stock in scrimmages, some but not alot. Like said, we don't have the access to watch and there is some coach speak mixed in with the truth. Historically you will also have the seniors and veteran juniors speaking much the same as the coach. Also like said, the truth will come out when the lights come on and I do think we will be able to get a decent view of the truth, as far as tackling goes, in game numero uno. I think what illuminates this whole deal is how sucky they looked last year.
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Unacceptable? To you? Who died and made you queen?
And yeah, it has a lot to do with circumstances.
The "problems" last year were, in large part, due to lack of depth, and tired legs. That happens to best defenses when they get tired. It also happens to occur in the heat of summer too. If our 1s, on fresh legs, can't tackle, then I say fire Roof, and in fact, the whole D staff. Maybe even Chizik...he is afterall, a D guru...do YOU think he doesn't know how to recognize poor fundamentals, and correct something as basic as tackling? Seriously? Do you? Or do you think you might need to quit jumping up and down on the panic button on this, the 18th fucking day of August based on a couple of sound bites after a scrimmage?
Isn't everyone excited about the fact that we will have more depth this year? This will help, right? That's what everyone has been saying this whole off season. If that is the case, and if the same problems are occurring...then what is the fucking problem?
Also, if we wait until 4 games into the season to realize there is a problem, then we are screwed. Say what you want, but I expect improvement. Especially since Chizik is a defensive minded coach. The blame will lie as much with him as it will with Roof if our D sucks ass. It is unacceptable to me as a fan and alumnus. You have to expect greatness to have it.
As I mentioned earlier, I said I was worried. I didn't say I thought the whole season was in the shitter. I don't get anywhere close to the ledge until we have lost 3 - 4 games, one of which is to a Kentucky/Vanderbilt/etc...then I just pick up a bottle.
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I don't get anywhere close to the ledge until we have lost 3 - 4 games, one of which is to a Kentucky/Vanderbilt/etc...then I just pick up a bottle.
If this is the case, I will go in 1/2's with you.
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The tired legs angle only works late in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters IMO. Much of the bad tackling last season came in the first 15 minutes of the game.
While I am not particularly concerned yet, I will be if we are still hearing the same things late next week.
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Isn't everyone excited about the fact that we will have more depth this year? This will help, right? That's what everyone has been saying this whole off season. If that is the case, and if the same problems are occurring...then what is the fucking problem?
Also, if we wait until 4 games into the season to realize there is a problem, then we are screwed. Say what you want, but I expect improvement. Especially since Chizik is a defensive minded coach. The blame will lie as much with him as it will with Roof if our D sucks ass. It is unacceptable to me as a fan and alumnus. You have to expect greatness to have it.
As I mentioned earlier, I said I was worried. I didn't say I thought the whole season was in the shitter. I don't get anywhere close to the ledge until we have lost 3 - 4 games, one of which is to a Kentucky/Vanderbilt/etc...then I just pick up a bottle.
We don't know that the same problems are occurring is my point. I read what was said. I saw last year. In fact, saying "we missed to many tackles" is pretty much standard coach speak this time of year.
Look, I'm with you...if there's no improvement, a lot in fact, then Roof should be canned, and I'll have to seriously question why Chizik allowed it all to happen. Worried? I'm always a little worried, but I'm always guarded about how much stock I put in to what is said about a scrimmage. You don't see me jumping for joy over the offense lighting the place up either do you? Same reason. It's a scrimmage, and as was said initially, the 1s only played about half the time. Much of what you hear coming from Sr. players and coaches can be attributed to trying to get the attention of other players, younger players, and simply taking responsibility and vowing to correct it. Sometimes there's just a bad practice or scrimmage. My 11 and 12 year olds stunk up the joint yesterday! Like they took a step backwards. It happens, and it happens at all levels. And the coaches can design the srimmage to go one way or another, and can also put them out there knowing they're tired and needing a break on purpose.
Lastly, like GH said, IF we suck again this year...as bad as last, the fire Roof's ass!
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The tired legs angle only works late in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters IMO. Much of the bad tackling last season came in the first 15 minutes of the game.
While I am not particularly concerned yet, I will be if we are still hearing the same things late next week.
Actually, that's not completely true...as I mentioned in a post above...Bammer's D players are not tackling right now...their legs are tired. They have some issues on D this year with overall experience...these young kids are completely used to Sabans' workouts, and practice regimine. When you were as thin as we were last year, the work they did in the summer and fall camp was a grind...and I expect that since they considered it rebuilding last year, they didn't worry about tiring them out and saving them for the season. Saban has a shot again this year, and is trying to save his guy's legs.
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The offense won 82 - 25...
The defense did score 25 points :super:- I am happy about that. :moon:
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The offense won 82 - 25...
The defense did score 25 points :super:- I am happy about that. :moon:
Yeah, but they got 10 for lining up their helmets correctly.
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The offense won 82 - 25...
The defense did score 25 points :super:- I am happy about that. :moon:
I'm pretty sure there is a scoring system in place that awards the D for things like sacks, not allowing 3rd down conversions, etc.
Otherwise, you'd be right, that would be awesome news that our O actually scored 82 points, and our defense still found a way to run back 25 points on turnovers (if that were mathematically possible).
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They gave up 625 skwazillion yards to Northwestern in the last real game they played. They gave up 85 points yesterday.
Not on the ledge. But just sayin'...
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Want to know how they gave up 85 points and didn't "Tackle well"?
Go white boy go white boy go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3p80mqr7nA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3p80mqr7nA#)
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Want to know how they gave up 85 points and didn't "Tackle well"?
Go white boy go white boy go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3p80mqr7nA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3p80mqr7nA#)
Shhhhhhhh, that's just a game Snaggle. You don't put stock into games, you put them into "real" games. C'mon.
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NO college practices tackling. It is at most thud. Alabama has not done as well. Someone mentioned our defense was lit up and they were. With the score being 80 whatever to 25 it could mean a lot of different things. Did the offense get points for situational success? Did the offense get points for first downs? I mean as an outsider, and face it we are, we do not know. I would not worry one bit about the score. What does worry me was the MLB talking about bad tackling. That is not good but can be fixed. Also I think school just started and your guys might have been tired. I know if a player is tired and he goes to make a tackle he does not bring his ass, legs, head goes down and he does not shoot his arms strong. All those things mentioned will lead to poor tackling.
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Shhhhhhhh, that's just a game Snaggle. You don't put stock into games, you put them into "real" games. C'mon.
There ya go! That's the spirit!
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Shhhhhhhh, that's just a game Snaggle. You don't put stock into games, you put them into "real" games. C'mon.
A game at the end of LAST YEAR'S season with a totally different FB team.
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I expect our Offense to be one of the top 15-20 in the nation this year. I honestly think that our Offense will be the best that our Defense sees all year. I'm hoping they can correct the mistakes they make against our O, and when they line up against an O that's somewhere in the 30-50 range or worse, the D will really show up.
Sorry if any of that didn't make sense, I started preperation for the golf outing this weekend around noon today. Viva la Taco Mac!
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A game at the end of LAST YEAR'S season with a totally different FB team.
Shhh! It was just another team. That don't matter! Don't put any stock in injured players coming back and more depth due to recruiting.
You know, come to think of it...bammers all said we'd go 5-7 last year, same as we had the year before. This year, I hear them saying we'll go 7-5...AGAIN. And of course, they'll win the NC...AGAIN, because they did last year, and nothing changes in college football...we don't have a new QB, and more experience OL, and players back from injury on Def, and they have the same secondary they had last year.
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As far as Ted Roof goes, again no defending him, however these kids have been playing football for how many years? Coaches can't make the tackles for them!!
http://www.examiner.com/iowa-state-cyclones-in-des-moines/cyclones-improved-defense-started-with-tackling-101 (http://www.examiner.com/iowa-state-cyclones-in-des-moines/cyclones-improved-defense-started-with-tackling-101)
Cyclones' improved defense started with 'Tackling 101'
July 27th, 2010 9:06 am
.Iowa State improved it's defense last year in a 7-6 football season compared to its 2-10 campaign in 2008.
Coach Paul Rhodes, talking to reporters at Monday's Big 12 Conference Football media day, had three reasons for improvement. The first was tackling.
"The first time we put pads on that first spring," Rhoads said, "we had to shut practice down for about 15 minutes and go back to tackling 101, and we got their attention, and I think they've improved greatly
as a tackling football team.
"Number two, we had to keep points off the board. You can give up yards. We want to cut down on all those numbers and statistics and rush yardage and pass yardage and all that, but you can give up yards and not give up points and play good defense. We didn't give up a lot of points a year ago, and we turned the ball over with some consistency."
The third area Rhoads mentioned was shoring up ISU's run defense.
"We've got to limit the yards that we give up in the passing game and so on and so forth. And we're going to have to do that week after week with improvement because we are a young group on that side of the
ball."
Rhoads credited defensive coordinator Wally Burnham, saying he "does a fantastic job with those kids, putting them in a position to be successful."
Not defending Roof here either, but I do see sort of a pattern here. It might not be all Roof, but then again, it might be entirely him. Make whatever you want of the article.
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BTW, all of the Freshmen on Defense played a very significant amount of plays in the last scrimmage. AND, we've got a shit load of speed coming at them from all different directions with a quadruple-motion type of Offense. So, compare trying to tackle a greasy string coming out of a cat's ass to trying to tackling a Basset Hound.
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http://www.examiner.com/iowa-state-cyclones-in-des-moines/cyclones-improved-defense-started-with-tackling-101 (http://www.examiner.com/iowa-state-cyclones-in-des-moines/cyclones-improved-defense-started-with-tackling-101)
Not defending Roof here either, but I do see sort of a pattern here. It might not be all Roof, but then again, it might be entirely him. Make whatever you want of the article.
Make whatever you want of these too...
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2002&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2002&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2003&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2003&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
Gonna go out on a limb here and say the jury is still out on Chiz as a HC, but his Def. guruness is pretty well carved in stone...one #1 scoring Def, 2 more top 10, 13th, and the worst 26th when playing with full strength D1 BCS level teams. He's also studied under the likes of Dungy, and the elder Kiffin. His pedigree is solid too. When Auburn gets fully stocked on defense, I GA-RONE-TEE the defense will be top notch.
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Make whatever you want of these too...
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2002&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2002&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2003&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2003&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2004&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2006&div=4&rpt=IA_teamscordef&site=org)
Gonna go out on a limb here and say the jury is still out on Chiz as a HC, but his Def. guruness is pretty well carved in stone...one #1 scoring Def, 2 more top 10, 13th, and the worst 26th when playing with full strength D1 BCS level teams. He's also studied under the likes of Dungy, and the elder Kiffin. His pedigree is solid too. When Auburn gets fully stocked on defense, I GA-RONE-TEE the defense will be top notch.
Even considering the depth issues, if you're throwing out words like "guru" and "pedigree", it should muster a little more than the worst defense ever in the history of football. While a defense that AU hadn't shown all season contained Alabama's run game, the regular defense had some issues.
That's great that Chizik did well at AU before, and as co-DC at Texas. He isn't exhibiting much guru-ness right here and now on the defense.
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Even considering the depth issues, if you're throwing out words like "guru" and "pedigree", it should muster a little more than the worst defense ever in the history of football. While a defense that AU hadn't shown all season contained Alabama's run game, the regular defense had some issues.
That's great that Chizik did well at AU before, and as co-DC at Texas. He isn't exhibiting much guru-ness right here and now on the defense.
Guru's can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit...but if you want to bring up shit like that...how much "guruness" did Saban exhibit in his first season at bammer going 7-6 with a loss to LaMo, MSU, and a very average FSU team?
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Guru's can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit...but if you want to bring up shit like that...how much "guruness" did Saban exhibit in his first season at bammer going 7-6 with a loss to LaMo, MSU, and a very average FSU team?
I think there was a lot more to the ULM loss than a coaching issue, and you know that. The word mutiny comes to mind. I think Saban has proven his "guru-ness" in the two seasons since then, though. I'm pretty sure that everybody knew that we would improve. Still, Alabama didn't field the worst defense in the school's history.
I can't remember where, but I read an article a few months ago where Rhodes was talking about the tackling style ISU players had been taught. He said they were taught to fly to the ball and just go for the big hit, and it was like they were never taught the fundamentals of tackling. Seems like a pattern is all. It certainly explains the sudden inability of AU players to tackle.
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I think there was a lot more to the ULM loss than a coaching issue, and you know that. The word mutiny comes to mind. I think Saban has proven his "guru-ness" in the two seasons since then, though. I'm pretty sure that everybody knew that we would improve. Still, Alabama didn't field the worst defense in the school's history.
I can't remember where, but I read an article a few months ago where Rhodes was talking about the tackling style ISU players had been taught. He said they were taught to fly to the ball and just go for the big hit, and it was like they were never taught the fundamentals of tackling. Seems like a pattern is all. It certainly explains the sudden inability of AU players to tackle.
You're right, as usual, it's always somehow different when it's bammer. Your coach can suck, but it's not his fault, and now, of course you have proof that he doesn't. Auburn's coach, despite any proof he used to know something about defense, now sucks, and it won't ever change. I got it now.
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I think there was a lot more to the ULM loss than a coaching issue, and you know that. The word mutiny comes to mind. I think Saban has proven his "guru-ness" in the two seasons since then, though. I'm pretty sure that everybody knew that we would improve. Still, Alabama didn't field the worst defense in the school's history.
I can't remember where, but I read an article a few months ago where Rhodes was talking about the tackling style ISU players had been taught. He said they were taught to fly to the ball and just go for the big hit, and it was like they were never taught the fundamentals of tackling. Seems like a pattern is all. It certainly explains the sudden inability of AU players to tackle.
So, Roof was at ISU in 2008? I didn't realize that.
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What's the over/ under on 10 pages here? :popcorn:
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What's the over/ under on 10 pages here? :popcorn:
I think you set the O/U at 10 pages.
Look, whoever wants to decide after last season that Chizik and Roof can't figure out anything about defense despite what we all know about Auburn's overall talent level left for them, and their prior history of defensive coaching successes is welcome to their thoughts.
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I think you set the O/U at 10 pages.
Look, whoever wants to RWS decided after last season that just because it's Auburn, that Chizik and Roof can't figure out anything about defense despite what we all know about Auburn's overall talent level left for them, and their prior history of defensive coaching successes and he is welcome to their his thoughts.
FTFY
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FTFY
Thanks, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking.
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I will admit that Saban is a damn good defensive minded coach. He has proven that but damn RWS, how can you not agree that the situation is almost identical. Both Chizik and Saban came in to teams will a decimated defense, by numbers and talent. You say mutiny? Well maybe it was and those players left the team either by force or on their own. I recollect the same at AUburn. With that said, it take a year or two to really get things firing on all cylinders. I hate missed tackles as much as anybody else. I also think that Chizik has proven himself enough to know that he can coach the D. Has anybody thought that maybe those missed tackles came from trying to tackle Ladarious "Sugar Bear" Phillips or Cam Newton?
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So, Roof was at ISU in 2008? I didn't realize that.
Roof isn't the common denominator at both places. However, I'm sure a defensive guru such as Chizik is going to have alot of say in how the defense operates. That's what I'm getting at. But then again, maybe it is all on Roof and it's just a coincidence that the same thing plagued two different teams that Chizik was the head coach of. Maybe AU will come out this season and school other teams on how to tackle. Too soon to know.
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Roof isn't the common denominator at both places. However, I'm sure a defensive guru such as Chizik is going to have alot of say in how the defense operates. That's what I'm getting at. But then again, maybe it is all on Roof and it's just a coincidence that the same thing plagued two different teams that Chizik was the head coach of. Maybe AU will come out this season and school other teams on how to tackle. Too soon to know.
Roof and Chizik both have too good a track record as DC's for this issue to be coaching. It just isn't the issue. The problem was personnel and not a lot of it. I think its at least fair to let Roof work with a semi full cupboard before throwing him out to the curb. The guy literally had nothing to work with last year. We had 3 LB's for pete's sake!!
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Roof and Chizik both have too good a track record as DC's for this issue to be coaching. It just isn't the issue. The problem was personnel and not a lot of it. I think its at least fair to let Roof work with a semi full cupboard before throwing him out to the curb. The guy literally had nothing to work with last year. We had 3 LB's for pete's sake!!
...and in the Iron Bowl, one of the starters was a walk-on. Thats how thin we were at the end of the season.
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Go back and look at that clip from the N'Western game. It's indicative of a poorly coached group trying to fly to the ball carrier and make the big hit. I came on here and complained about the exact same thing after the spring game this year. Countless times, a "tackle" attempt in the open field was nothing more than a flying block by our DB's and LB's. So, Rhoades said he had to go back to tackling 101? Now, the same shit is going on in scrimmages. 85 points? Even with some screwy scoring system...85 points? Really?
Look, I'm not going all Chicken Little here, although I'm positive that was a small chunk of sky that hit me in the head the other day. And no, I'm certainly no expert on the subject and can only go by what I see and what I'm reading. And what I've seen from last year through the spring game and read about so far in camp, taint looking real good. Yes, we recruited well. Yes, there's a few injured DB's back. Great, a safety who was part of the worst AU defense in history and who they won't let get invovled in much contact, a DB who hasn't played in two years and coming off two surgeries and one who broke his leg and is still not 100%.
I'm seeing loads of spin and very little realistic analysis of this team. I don't mean to sound like all is lost or that I'm writing this team off before the season begins. Far from the case. I think the sky is the limit...IF, they get some very disturbing trends changed. So far, it sounds like more of the same. That's coming from our very own players and corches mouths.
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Go back and look at that clip from the N'Western game. It's indicative of a poorly coached group trying to fly to the ball carrier and make the big hit. I came on here and complained about the exact same thing after the spring game this year. Countless times, a "tackle" attempt in the open field was nothing more than a flying block by our DB's and LB's. So, Rhoades said he had to go back to tackling 101? Now, the same shit is going on in scrimmages. 85 points? Even with some screwy scoring system...85 points? Really?
Look, I'm not going all Chicken Little here, although I'm positive that was a small chunk of sky that hit me in the head the other day. And no, I'm certainly no expert on the subject and can only go by what I see and what I'm reading. And what I've seen from last year through the spring game and read about so far in camp, taint looking real good. Yes, we recruited well. Yes, there's a few injured DB's back. Great, a safety who was part of the worst AU defense in history and who they won't let get invovled in much contact, a DB who hasn't played in two years and coming off two surgeries and one who broke his leg and is still not 100%.
I'm seeing loads of spin and very little realistic analysis of this team. I don't mean to sound like all is lost or that I'm writing this team off before the season begins. Far from the case. I think the sky is the limit...IF, they get some very disturbing trends changed. So far, it sounds like more of the same. That's coming from our very own players and corches mouths.
Snaggle...what you saw was a defense that was leg weary and tired. Nobody in the video posted earlier in this thread made any attempt at a big hit...they stood straight up and tried to arm tackle. A sure sign of fatique...or just spin...up to you how to take it.
Maybe bammer's corches have forgot how to coach defense suddenly too...
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100817/NEWS/100819672/1011?Title=Members-of-the-UA-football-team-hold-a-players-only-meeting (http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100817/NEWS/100819672/1011?Title=Members-of-the-UA-football-team-hold-a-players-only-meeting)
Alabama football team holds players only meeting
By Chase Goodbread Sports Writer Published: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 at 3:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Monday, August 16, 2010 at 11:32 p.m.
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TUSCALOOSA | Leaders on the University of Alabama football team made themselves heard following the first of two practices on Monday, and by all indications the message concerned the urgency for improvement after last weekend's first scrimmage of fall camp.
Linebacker Dont'a Hightower said he joined quarterback Greg McElroy, tight end Preston Dial and defensive lineman Marcell Dareus in speaking to the team.
“It was just time,” said Dial, a fifth-year senior whom Hightower said was the first player to speak. “We had a couple meetings last year where we just kind of had to analyze where we're at, and make corrections and move forward. No different than coaches in the install meetings and corrections meetings we have before and after practice. We went out there today, and it was just little things here and there.
“We just emphasized on keeping the tempo up to Coach (Nick) Saban's standards, up to championship standards. ... It's always better to get the good, the bad and the ugly out there so everybody knows what's going on.”
Saban expressed concern for the development of a young defense following last Saturday's scrimmage, in which UA quarterbacks threw nine touchdown passes. McElroy cautioned that the offense did heavy situational work in the red zone during the scrimmage, thus accounting for some of the touchdowns.
It was also the first time the Crimson Tide has tackled to the ground since camp began, as the standard in regular practices is to “thud,” which means to hit and wrap up ball carriers without finishing the tackle.
For Hightower, that was no excuse for the defensive showing
“I'm not going to take the easy way out and say that was one of the reasons. I think it was partly the way we practiced. During practice, we're supposed to thud the runner and a lot of guys were just tagging off,” Hightower said. “And tagging off is a lot different from tackling. Some of the guys who were mainly just tagging off (in practice) were the same guys who missed a lot of tackles (in the scrimmage). We just have bad practice habits, and one of the things we emphasized on today was better tackling.”
Said McElroy: “One of my main focuses during my little talk was just that I want people to care. I think the thing that bothers me more than anything about it, not necessarily from a talent standpoint, but just how much to do you care about the team? What are you willing to give to allow the team to be successful? I think that we all need to take a look in the mirror — offense, defense, special teams, everybody — and see what we're not doing right and notice those problems and be honest with yourself.”
For McElroy, a team-wide reckoning with personal accountability is not unusual in fall camp. Young players tend to struggle with learning various on-field responsibilities as a matter of routine, and fall camp can be more of a mental strain on less experienced players than a physical one.
“Everyone needs to lock in on the job at hand. And that includes myself,” McElroy said. “A lot of people are sort of looking at the calendar and going, ‘Oh, we still have this long until the first game,' and that's caused them a little bit of ... just no one is giving as much effort as they probably could be.
“That's attributed to us as individuals and us as leaders because we have to get people on the same page and we have to get people focused and excited for practice. And we haven't been doing a very good job of that.”
Hightower said the team's veterans have a responsibility to show more maturity in an effort to help less experienced players mature themselves.
“After that scrimmage, we all knew it had to be said and had to be done,” Hightower said. “We didn't say anything after the scrimmage. Having that off day (Sunday), we wanted to let everybody recuperate and get treatment or whatever, and see how things went today. We did pretty good (Monday) but still, we had to let everybody know we're turning the corner now. We're about there. We're on the street to the season.”
Hightower is taking on a leadership role among a group of linebackers who have limited game experience. Courtney Upshaw and Nico Johnson played significantly more after Hightower was lost for the season to a knee injury last year, but the experience among the rest of the group is mostly limited to special teams. Asked about any younger players who have stood out to him in a positive way, Hightower made an exception for redshirt freshman linebacker Ed Stinson, who practices at the ‘Jack' position.
“He was one of the guys who didn't have as many mental errors. I don't think he had any loafs during the practice,” Hightower said. “He's a great example of one of the guys who works hard, him and (senior) Chavis Williams both.”
Reach Chase Goodbread at chase.goodbread@tuscaloosanews.com or at 205-722-0196.
As I said yesterday from the report my buddy gave me from Tuscaloser...they haven't been tackling full speed in camp because they're young, and these guys on bammer team are not yet used to the rigorous workouts...they're tired, and that leads to poor tackling every single time.
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The greatest defensive mind in the land and the finest defensive players in the land, and yet, this...
Oh, save us Jebus!
by outsidethesidelines on Aug 14, 2010 11:09 PM CDT in Football 54 comments
Let's recap the statistical scorecard for the first scrimmage of Fall practice: Greg McElroy and A.J. McCarron completed a mind-boggling 80% of passing attempts despite throwing 59 passes. Combined, they threw for eight touchdowns and averaged over ten yards per attempt. If we were to view the performance through the lens of quarterback ratings, McElroy would have posted a Playstation-esque 230.4 passer rating. And it wasn't just one receiver lighting up the secondary either... despite throwing for about 700 yards on the day, somehow not a single receiver broke the 100-yard mark. The tailbacks may have "struggled" somewhat, by the ridiculous standards set by the passing game, but nevertheless matched Al Bundy's record of four touchdowns in one game, er, scrimmage. All in all, the offense somehow racked up 13 touchdowns in what was probably only about a 100 play scrimmage.
Anyone else need a drink right now?
Now, as the supposed resident pessimist, let's step back from the ledge just a bit. We were razor-thin in depth in the defensive backfield regardless, and that only became thinner with the dismissal of Rod Woodson and the heat-related medical condition forcing Kendall Kelly's absence. And, considering that, with the in-scrimmage injuries to Menzie, Milliner, and Lester, who even knows for sure exactly which players were in the game for most of these reps? I don't know exactly the names, but I can largely assure you that it was Mark Barron, Dre Kirkpatrick, Burton Scott, Nick Perry, Jarrick Williams, and then a whole bunch of walk-ons that you have never heard of.
So calm down a bit in that regard. A lot of the raw numbers were probably just inflated due to the injuries and the general attrition in the defensive backfield. In that sense, it is not that big of a concern given that many of those players will never see the field this Fall unless the major run of injuries continues.
With that limited qualifier out of the way, however, I must say that the point remains that this scrimmage looks pretty brutal. I don't care about the context, you see anything even in the same ballpark of the numbers we saw today, and it's ugly. Very ugly. Some people may not want to admit it, but for now it seems like this defense has a long way to go. In his post-scrimmage press conference, Saban constantly referred to mental mistakes, a lack of intensity, young and inexperienced players, and overall immaturity. And this comes roughly 48 hours after he publicly questioned the development of the linebacker corps, which we all thought would be a strength heading into the season. Quite frankly, he has clearly been upset with our defense so far this camp, and there is really no positive way to spin all of this. Rest assured he wasn't just moaning and groaning for nothing.
And I know what some of you are thinking, "Eh, it's just a scrimmage, it's not like this is a real game, right?" Well, that's obviously true to an extent -- no, clearly scrimmages are not real games -- but it's very misleading. While they don't ultimately count in the win-loss column, scrimmages very much do matter in every other regard. It's not like the coaching staff and the team are just sitting around bored one day and then they decide to put on a scrimmage like it's some spur-of-the-moment pick-up basketball game. There is very much a reason why they play these things, and why they put players in danger of serious injury in order to conduct these scrimmages. They have major, tangible impacts on player development, evaluations, playing time distributions, and, well, everything else for that matter. You can't just throw all of this stuff out the proverbial window because it's not a "real" game; scrimmages are important and the player and unit performances in them make a difference.
We've talked a lot here at RBR in recent weeks and months about how the offense needs to become even better in 2010 to compensate for the expected declines with both the defense and special teams units. In that regard, it's a positive to see the offense performing at such a high level, but I'll be the first to admit that unless the defense ultimately comes together better than they looked today, it's not going to matter what the offense does. If your goal is repeating as national champions, the defense is simply going to have to do better than this, I don't care how well the offense ultimately performs.
The good news is that we are still unbelievably talented defensively (with even more talent on the way in the 2011 recruiting class) and we still have Nick Saban on our side. Combined, in time, at some point those two things will produce yet another elite defense that dominates opposing offenses with brutal force. It will happen, it is a question of when, not if. Unfortunately, the results of this scrimmage hints that the transition from all of the personnel loss from the 2009 defense will not be nearly as seamless as everyone had hoped. This unit will get to where we all want it to go some day, but after today's performance I must say that day may be further off than we would all like
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Roof isn't the common denominator at both places. However, I'm sure a defensive guru such as Chizik is going to have alot of say in how the defense operates. That's what I'm getting at. But then again, maybe it is all on Roof and it's just a coincidence that the same thing plagued two different teams that Chizik was the head coach of. Maybe AU will come out this season and school other teams on how to tackle. Too soon to know.
Maybe it's just a coincidence the SAME barber cuts the hair of two guys whose cable went out last night.
Roof is the defensive coordinator. Chizik is the head coach at Auburn, and was at Iowa State. He was the DC at Auburn and Texas. Those defenses did well.
Sure, he may have some final say, but as far as defensive schemes and teaching fundamentals, that's not his job. When it was his job, he proved to do quite well at it. I know it's beyond comprehension for you as a bama fan since it is ingrained in you that Saban controls the offense, defense, strength & conditioning, the hiring of the basketball coach, the weather, the stock market, and the gravitational pull of the Earth's surface. But in reality, coordinators are hired for a reason.
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Exactly...its fall practice...and they are grueling. Anyone who has been through them knows this. You can have tired bodies and legs before a day's practice even starts fro previous days' physical activities. Go out and run 3-5 miles a day for 5 days straight days and on the morning of the 6th day, your ass will have tired legs before you even jog your first step. Same thing in a season - with our depth last year, these guys were worn down by mid/late season, even at the start of a game. Its easy to backseat drive this thing and pick apart everything we think the coaches aren't doing right but we were mighty thin everywhere last year. With the cupboard more stocked this year and even moreso next year - I expect improvement. If we dont get it, then yes, we have a valid complaint. Like JR said, even the most brilliant D minds can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
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Even chicken shit can be taught to wrap up a ball carrier.
All I'm saying is until they go out there and prove they've made the necessary changes on defense and stop people, I'm concerned about a very real problem and there is nothing to indicate it's going to be better. We read that AGAIN, our D can't stop a good YMCA team and all I've heard is everything from depth, to injuries, to our offense is too good for them, leg weary, arm weary, diarrhea, herpes, gaut, girlfriend problems, boyfriend problems and that time of the month...
If they come out when the lights are on for real and show they can actually play some defense in this league, I'll be the first to say, Good job, you got your shit together. But if you can honestly look at the situation from last year to now and continue throwing :wartim: :wartim: :wartim: at it, then you may wind up being in for a huge letdown this year.
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Maybe it's just a coincidence the SAME barber cuts the hair of two guys whose cable went out last night.
Roof is the defensive coordinator. Chizik is the head coach at Auburn, and was at Iowa State. He was the DC at Auburn and Texas. Those defenses did well.
Sure, he may have some final say, but as far as defensive schemes and teaching fundamentals, that's not his job. When it was his job, he proved to do quite well at it. I know it's beyond comprehension for you as a bama fan since it is ingrained in you that Saban controls the offense, defense, strength & conditioning, the hiring of the basketball coach, the weather, the stock market, and the gravitational pull of the Earth's surface. But in reality, coordinators are hired for a reason.
No, the defense, and individual coaching isn't Chizik's job...but it's his job to see that the folks whose job it is, are doing it. And he knows enough about defense to know if fundamentals are fucked up or not. I assume that if we really can't tackle, he'd call Roof, Rocker, and Lolley and say "hey guys, what the fuck is up with that shit? Do I need to fire your asses and hire someone that knows how to teach basic tackling skills?"
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Even chicken shit can be taught to wrap up a ball carrier.
All I'm saying is until they go out there and prove they've made the necessary changes on defense and stop people, I'm concerned about a very real problem and there is nothing to indicate it's going to be better. We read that AGAIN, our D can't stop a good YMCA team and all I've heard is everything from depth, to injuries, to our offense is too good for them, leg weary, arm weary, diarrhea, herpes, gaut, girlfriend problems, boyfriend problems and that time of the month...
If they come out when the lights are on for real and show they can actually play some defense in this league, I'll be the first to say, Good job, you got your shit together. But if you can honestly look at the situation from last year to now and continue throwing :wartim: :wartim: :wartim: at it, then you may wind up being in for a huge letdown this year.
If they can't tackle again this yeark, I'll be in the "fire Roof" brigade too. The biggest necessary changes are more players, and more "players".
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No, the defense, and individual coaching isn't Chizik's job...but it's his job to see that the folks whose job it is, are doing it. And he knows enough about defense to know if fundamentals are fucked up or not. I assume that if we really can't tackle, he'd call Roof, Rocker, and Lolley and say "hey guys, what the fuck is up with that shit? Do I need to fire your asses and hire someone that knows how to teach basic tackling skills?"
I agree with this. Just saying (to RWS) that a MUCH better barometer of his defensive-guru-ness would be where he actually ran the defense, no where it was someone else's job to do it.
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I agree with this. Just saying (to RWS) that a MUCH better barometer of his defensive-guru-ness would be where he actually ran the defense, no where it was someone else's job to do it.
The question of the extent of corching involvement always comes up for me when talking about this. The fact that Tuberville came up through the ranks as a defensive guy always made you think he had some input, but I don't know how much he actually jumped in as far as actually hands on corching or if he just discussed strategy with Muschamp and Chizik etc. Not once in any practice I ever went to was Tuberville doing any corching of any sort. Hell, he was rarely there. Maybe those who attended others had a different take.
However, everything I've seen of Chizik has been a very involved, hands-on approach. Does Rhoads have a DC at ISU or did he take on those duties as well? If he's stopping practice to go back to tackling 101, I imagine he's all up in dey bidnezz.
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The question of the extent of corching involvement always comes up for me when talking about this. The fact that Tuberville came up through the ranks as a defensive guy always made you think he had some input, but I don't know how much he actually jumped in as far as actually hands on corching or if he just discussed strategy with Muschamp and Chizik etc. Not once in any practice I ever went to was Tuberville doing any corching of any sort. Hell, he was rarely there. Maybe those who attended others had a different take.
However, everything I've seen of Chizik has been a very involved, hands-on approach. Does Rhoads have a DC at ISU or did he take on those duties as well? If he's stopping practice to go back to tackling 101, I imagine he's all up in dey bidnezz.
Wally Burnham is the DC at ISU. Came from South Fl. He's an old head, Samford (Howard) 1963, which means he would have played for Bobby Bowden there. He's from Pell City AL. Coached at places like South Carolina, and FSU under Bowden.
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TIFWIW When I was at Troy LB did not do much coaching. He let his assistants do the coaching. If he ever stopped practice to say something or something it normally meant trouble. I know the Saban is always coaching and involved but it could be because he is a control freak. Also it looks like we lost Alfy Hill to academic reasons. Something the clearinghouse just found from his high school that was not right.
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Wally Burnham is the DC at ISU. Came from South Fl. He's an old head, Samford (Howard) 1963, which means he would have played for Bobby Bowden there. He's from Pell City AL. Coached at places like South Carolina, and FSU under Bowden.
Well I can tell you who got Cheesit his coaching break.
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Well I can tell you who got Cheesit his coaching break.
Danny Ford
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Snaggle...what you saw was a defense that was leg weary and tired. Nobody in the video posted earlier in this thread made any attempt at a big hit...they stood straight up and tried to arm tackle. A sure sign of fatique...or just spin...up to you how to take it.
Maybe bammer's corches have forgot how to coach defense suddenly too...
http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100817/NEWS/100819672/1011?Title=Members-of-the-UA-football-team-hold-a-players-only-meeting (http://www.tidesports.com/article/20100817/NEWS/100819672/1011?Title=Members-of-the-UA-football-team-hold-a-players-only-meeting)
As I said yesterday from the report my buddy gave me from Tuscaloser...they haven't been tackling full speed in camp because they're young, and these guys on bammer team are not yet used to the rigorous workouts...they're tired, and that leads to poor tackling every single time.
Saban has never allowed full tackling in practices. I think that even goes back to his time at LSU. Ever since he came to Alabama, they thud. They do allow tackling during the scrimmages, which there have only been 2 so far. You're probably right that they are having a hard time adjusting to the workouts and that they're tired. Especially with all of the underclassmen we have. Half of the scholarship players on roster are true or redshirt freshmen. Replacing 9 guys on defense doesn't help either. But to say all of that combined has caused the team to tackle poorly in camp is just inaccurate, due to the fact that they never really tackle anyway.
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Saban has never allowed full tackling in practices. I think that even goes back to his time at LSU. Ever since he came to Alabama, they thud. They do allow tackling during the scrimmages, which there have only been 2 so far. You're probably right that they are having a hard time adjusting to the workouts and that they're tired. Especially with all of the underclassmen we have. Half of the scholarship players on roster are true or redshirt freshmen. Replacing 9 guys on defense doesn't help either. But to say all of that combined has caused the team to tackle poorly in camp is just inaccurate, due to the fact that they never really tackle anyway.
So, Saban forgot how to coach them? That's what you're saying?
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So, Saban forgot how to coach them? That's what you're saying?
Yes, he forgot how to coach tackling. That's why the team has used the thud technique the past 3 years. And he is getting old, so maybe he did forget coaching since January. I know the line you're trying to draw, but the two situations are different. I think Alabama proved last year that the coaches are coaching the right shit. So, if we are having an issue this year, it can be logical to say "Well, we just replaced 9 senior starters with underclassmen. Maybe that's the problem." It's not an automatic blame the coaching type of thing. We've seen what our coaches can do at Alabama, and for the most part know what to expect.
Look, it could be everything, or it could be nothing. It is still Fall camp. Bad tackling plagued ISU. Same last year at AU. We will have to see about this year. All I'm saying is there is a pattern there. Not saying Chizik is the worst coach in the world, just offering a differing opinion on the whole kill Roof theory.
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Yes, he forgot how to coach tackling. That's why the team has used the thud technique the past 3 years. And he is getting old, so maybe he did forget coaching since January. I know the line you're trying to draw, but the two situations are different. I think Alabama proved last year that the coaches are coaching the right shit. So, if we are having an issue this year, it can be logical to say "Well, we just replaced 9 senior starters with underclassmen. Maybe that's the problem." It's not an automatic blame the coaching type of thing. We've seen what our coaches can do at Alabama, and for the most part know what to expect.
Look, it could be everything, or it could be nothing. It is still Fall camp. Bad tackling plagued ISU. Same last year at AU. We will have to see about this year. All I'm saying is there is a pattern there. Not saying Chizik is the worst coach in the world, just offering a differing opinion on the whole kill Roof theory.
I know, I know...it's always different when it's Saban and Alabama. Espeically whey they've proved they can coach, when the players don't do it, it's the player's fault not the coach's fault. Those coaches have proved they can coach, and recently! OTOH, Chizik proved he could coach tackling, but it's been a while since then, and maybe he really has forgotten how to do it.
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I'm going up Saturday for 9:30 practice, 11:30 Low Country Boil, 12:30 beers.
I'll let you know if we're tackling or thudding. Somebody tell my computerly impaired ass how to put pics on this site cause' I plan on taking a lot of them.
Pic #1 shows Neiko Torched getting beat by 7 yards for a score.
Pic #2 shows Desmond Washington throwing a mean form body block tackle...attempt on Michael Dyer.
Pic #3 shows Ziemba coming out of the locker room at 9:25.
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I'm going up Saturday for 9:30 practice, 11:30 Low Country Boil, 12:30 beers.
I'll let you know if we're tackling or thudding. Somebody tell my computerly impaired ass how to put pics on this site cause' I plan on taking a lot of them.
Pic #1 shows Neiko Torched getting beat by 7 yards for a score.
Pic #2 shows Desmond Washington throwing a mean form body block tackle...attempt on Michael Dyer.
Pic #3 shows Ziemba coming out of the locker room at 9:25.
I am glad that Ziemba is coming out early for extra wo...
wait...you were saying...I get it...hahahaha
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I know, I know...it's always different when it's Saban and Alabama. Espeically whey they've proved they can coach, when the players don't do it, it's the player's fault not the coach's fault. Those coaches have proved they can coach, and recently! OTOH, Chizik proved he could coach tackling, but it's been a while since then, and maybe he really has forgotten how to do it.
Just like how it's always different when it's AU and Chizik........right?
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Just like how it's always different when it's AU and Chizik........right?
You can re-read my posts and see if my defense is a blind defense of Chizik, or merely a learned opinion.
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I'm going up Saturday for 9:30 practice, 11:30 Low Country Boil, 12:30 beers.
I'll let you know if we're tackling or thudding. Somebody tell my computerly impaired ass how to put pics on this site cause' I plan on taking a lot of them.
Pic #1 shows Neiko Torched getting beat by 7 yards for a score.
Pic #2 shows Desmond Washington throwing a mean form body block tackle...attempt on Michael Dyer.
Pic #3 shows Ziemba coming out of the locker room at 9:25.
Tell Coarch Chizik I said hey and I'm sorry I couldn't make it this year for the skrimps.
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Tell Coarch Chizik I said hey and I'm sorry I couldn't make it this year for the skrimps.
Yeah, I knew you were giving this up for a weekend of drinking, golfing and debauchery with numerous miscreant X'rs. And you call yourself and Auburn man.
Wait, what time are you guys playing?
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Danny Ford
I am talking about how he got out of UCF and made his way to allbarn.
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I am talking about how he got out of UCF and made his way to allbarn.
Tubb'ville
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Yeah, I knew you were giving this up for a weekend of drinking, golfing and debauchery with numerous miscreant X'rs. And you call yourself and Auburn man.
Wait, what time are you guys playing?
There are still slots available. Bring Troop along.
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I'm going up Saturday for 9:30 practice, 11:30 Low Country Boil, 12:30 beers.
I'll let you know if we're tackling or thudding. Somebody tell my computerly impaired ass how to put pics on this site cause' I plan on taking a lot of them.
Pic #1 shows Neiko Torched getting beat by 7 yards for a score.
Pic #2 shows Desmond Washington throwing a mean form body block tackle...attempt on Michael Dyer.
Pic #3 shows Ziemba coming out of the locker room at 9:25.
Let us know how the BBQ is insider.
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Practice makes perfect...
unless we look bad, then it's meaningless. Check.
Actually the correct saying is "Perfect practice makes perfect."
You practice perfect shit, you end up with really good shit. But in the end, it is still shit.
I think what we are seeing is the fruits of all the offensive work that has taken place over the last year or so. Couple this with all of the dynamic offensive players that have been brought in, and you have an offense that is ahead of the defense.
The defense still needs more work to get all of the younger guys on the same page. I think if we can hang on the first 5 games with the defense still getting experience, the rest of the season will see a huge change from a defensive standpoint. What we are seeing with the missed tackles is mostly guys over thinking and getting to the tackle late. This causes last second panic tackling. Tackling involves getting to the target, settling in and pushing through. The diving and last second crap is usually luck rather than technique. As the defense learns the assignments without having to think them through, we'll see better tackling.
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Let us know how the BBQ is insider.
Sorry, BBQ went out with the last administration. It's Low Country Boil for Chiz and the Boyz. I'll give you a full report from the Blue Room. (That's code for insider access)
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Sorry, BBQ went out with the last administration. It's Low Country Boil for Chiz and the Boyz. I'll give you a full report from the Blue Room. (That's code for insider access)
Wipe your chin before the first (insider) video report......
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Wipe your chin before the first (insider) video report......
I said Chiz and the boyz. Not Jizz and the boyz.
Filthy minded mo fo.
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I said Chiz and the boyz. Not Jizz and the boyz.
Filthy minded mo fo.
I was referring to how you get your insider information. I mean, on your breaks from the drill press and all........ :poke:
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I was referring to how you get your insider information. I mean, on your breaks from the drill press and all........ :poke:
Don't think I won't have the Drill-Droid phone with me. I can call in a mod hit, just like that.
Watch your tone, Mister.
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Don't think I won't have the Drill-Droid phone with me. I can call in a mod hit, just like that.
Watch your tone, Mister.
Don't you have to ask the Misses first?
Zinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
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Don't you have to ask the Misses first?
Zinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
She bought me the Drill-Droid for Christmas so Nyyyaaaaaa.....
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Tubb'ville
No dude Cheesit.
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No dude Cheesit.
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When I was at Troy Wayne Bolt tried to get Gene on the Troy staff. They are great buddies and Gene told him no offense but he wanted to be a head coach and he needed to move up to a bigger school and hopefully maintain the DC level. Wayne called CTT and told him about Mean Gene. When Gene got the job (at allbarn) he promised to pay Wayne back. What Gene promised him was a DC job with Gene whenever he became a HD. True to his word when he became the HC at Iowa State he hired Wayne as his DC. I know when Wayne was at Troy he never taught hit hard and hope for a tackle. I would be surprised if Wayne Bolt did not make it onto Gene's staff at allbarn before too long.
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When I was at Troy Wayne Bolt tried to get Gene on the Troy staff. They are great buddies and Gene told him no offense but he wanted to be a head coach and he needed to move up to a bigger school and hopefully maintain the DC level. Wayne called CTT and told him about Mean Gene. When Gene got the job (at allbarn) he promised to pay Wayne back. What Gene promised him was a DC job with Gene whenever he became a HD. True to his word when he became the HC at Iowa State he hired Wayne as his DC. I know when Wayne was at Troy he never taught hit hard and hope for a tackle. I would be surprised if Wayne Bolt did not make it onto Gene's staff at allbarn before too long.
Are you saying they are firing Roof and hiring Bolt?
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When I was at Troy Wayne Bolt tried to get Gene on the Troy staff. They are great buddies and Gene told him no offense but he wanted to be a head coach and he needed to move up to a bigger school and hopefully maintain the DC level. Wayne called CTT and told him about Mean Gene. When Gene got the job (at allbarn) he promised to pay Wayne back. What Gene promised him was a DC job with Gene whenever he became a HD. True to his word when he became the HC at Iowa State he hired Wayne as his DC. I know when Wayne was at Troy he never taught hit hard and hope for a tackle. I would be surprised if Wayne Bolt did not make it onto Gene's staff at allbarn before too long.
Bolt was his DC at ISU...he's paid him back, and had to demote him, and he's on the administrative staff at Auburn now. I don't expect Bolt to be on the field coaching again.
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Bolt was his DC at ISU...he's paid him back, and had to demote him, and he's on the administrative staff at Auburn now. I don't expect Bolt to be on the field coaching again.
I have not talked to Wayne in long time. I knew Wayne was having a hard time at ISU and Gene had to make a change but I did not know he was on the admin. staff at allbarn. Thanks for the info. At one time Wayne was an AWESOME coach. He could coach anything and those boys were great. When he was at Troy he coached O-line first and that was the best our O-line had been or was for quite a while. Then LB moved him to DC and LB coach. Our D was legit. Back then he weighed like 500 lbs or something like that he was FREAKIN' HUGE. But damn could he coach. I heard he had gastric bypass sugery and lost a ton of weight. I hate he is not coaching anymore. But thanks again for the info. I am glad he has a job.
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I have not talked to Wayne in long time. I knew Wayne was having a hard time at ISU and Gene had to make a change but I did not know he was on the admin. staff at allbarn. Thanks for the info. At one time Wayne was an AWESOME coach. He could coach anything and those boys were great. When he was at Troy he coached O-line first and that was the best our O-line had been or was for quite a while. Then LB moved him to DC and LB coach. Our D was legit. Back then he weighed like 500 lbs or something like that he was FREAKIN' HUGE. But damn could he coach. I heard he had gastric bypass sugery and lost a ton of weight. I hate he is not coaching anymore. But thanks again for the info. I am glad he has a job.
There is a recent pic of him in this story.
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/06/this_is_the_latest_in.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/06/this_is_the_latest_in.html)
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I have not talked to Wayne in long time. I knew Wayne was having a hard time at ISU and Gene had to make a change but I did not know he was on the admin. staff at allbarn. Thanks for the info. At one time Wayne was an AWESOME coach. He could coach anything and those boys were great. When he was at Troy he coached O-line first and that was the best our O-line had been or was for quite a while. Then LB moved him to DC and LB coach. Our D was legit. Back then he weighed like 500 lbs or something like that he was FREAKIN' HUGE. But damn could he coach. I heard he had gastric bypass sugery and lost a ton of weight. I hate he is not coaching anymore. But thanks again for the info. I am glad he has a job.
I don't know Wayne's full coaching resume...he was an OL for Dye at East Carolina, and defense may not have been the side of the ball he needed to be on. I've heard he could coach too. Bolt was dismissed out of hand by many because he was so big, but I've heard good things about him. They say he's fun to be around. I suspect players liked him.
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Wayne was in charge of the football camp this summer. I got a few emails from him. Wasn't he at AU around 85 - 88 as some sort of asst.?
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I suspect the components of the no huddle, the veteran OL and more speed on the field than I can ever recall is taxing the other group that is relatively inexperienced beyond the starters. It's hard to get good angles in a chase. This bunch can hit and maybe it will take the entire season to mature but I really think if Roof cuts these ugly numbers, we can look to Rocker first because the DL has been the source of the poor angles for several years. I'm more concerned about the defensive front than about Dyer or Newton. Malzahn can overcome most deficiencies if we have any whereas Roof can't, and he inherited thin ranks and ... I'm done with that.
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I have not talked to Wayne in long time. I knew Wayne was having a hard time at ISU and Gene had to make a change but I did not know he was on the admin. staff at allbarn. Thanks for the info. At one time Wayne was an AWESOME coach. He could coach anything and those boys were great. When he was at Troy he coached O-line first and that was the best our O-line had been or was for quite a while. Then LB moved him to DC and LB coach. Our D was legit. Back then he weighed like 500 lbs or something like that he was FREAKIN' HUGE. But damn could he coach. I heard he had gastric bypass sugery and lost a ton of weight. I hate he is not coaching anymore. But thanks again for the info. I am glad he has a job.
Yeah...he was a great OL coach. He would wobble into the huddle screaming and cussing, with a big wad of chew in his mouth. He would try to spit but couldn't spit over his belly. Half the time he had shit running down his mouth and by the time practice was over, the whole front of his shirt was brown from his chew...
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Yeah...he was a great OL coach. He would wobble into the huddle screaming and cussing, with a big wad of chew in his mouth. He would try to spit but couldn't spit over his belly. Half the time he had shit running down his mouth and by the time practice was over, the whole front of his shirt was brown from his chew...
Now that's my kind of OL Coach, so was Wayne Bolt at Auburn before Coach Trickett?
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Yeah...he was a great OL coach. He would wobble into the huddle screaming and cussing, with a big wad of chew in his mouth. He would try to spit but couldn't spit over his belly. Half the time he had poop running down his mouth and by the time practice was over, the whole front of his shirt was brown from his chew...
Dude you played for him!
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I suspect the components of the no huddle, the veteran OL and more speed on the field than I can ever recall is taxing the other group that is relatively inexperienced beyond the starters. It's hard to get good angles in a chase. This bunch can hit and maybe it will take the entire season to mature but I really think if Roof cuts these ugly numbers, we can look to Rocker first because the DL has been the source of the poor angles for several years. I'm more concerned about the defensive front than about Dyer or Newton. Malzahn can overcome most deficiencies if we have any whereas Roof can't, and he inherited thin ranks and ... I'm done with that.
No way Rocker is to blame for anything.
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Dude you played for him!
Lets Play...."NAME THAT PLAYER!!"
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Now that's my kind of OL Coach, so was Wayne Bolt at Auburn before Coach Trickett?
I think Wayne came to allbarn with cheesit. Bolt is a funny bastard.
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Lets Play...."NAME THAT PLAYER!!"
If he did not play for him he was in the huddle for a practice or two.
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Spekaing only from high school experience, there is nothing worse on a hot ass day when you're about to toss cookies anyway, and a corch walks in the huddle breathing Red Man all up in your grill.
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If he did not play for him he was in the huddle for a practice or two.
I didn't play OL, but yes, I was in the offensive huddle many a time when he came in there...
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I didn't play OL, but yes, I was in the offensive huddle many a time when he came in there...
Kickers don't count
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Kickers don't count
:rimshot:
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:rimshot:
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Kickers don't count
Fuck kickers...I didn't say the special teams huddle. Although I was the back up holder...
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Fuck kickers...I didn't say the special teams huddle. Although I was the back up holder...
an unappreciated field of endeavor
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Fuck kickers...I didn't say the special teams huddle. Although I was the back up holder...
So you had a connection with the long snapper....don't tell snaggle.
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phuk kickers...I didn't say the special teams huddle. Although I was the back up holder...
What years? And are you related to LB?
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What years? And are you related to LB?
Ho Huddle knows peoples and has teh hookups.....
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What years? And are you related to LB?
96 and 97 were the only years I played. No.
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Who is Lonnie Blackwell?
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Who is Lonnie Blackwell?
Mrs. Blackwell's boy.
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Mrs. Blackwell's boy.
(http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/042/174/original/1266418652493.gif?1267725132)
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Who is Lonnie Blackwell?
The head coach is LB and his nephew played when I was there. I was not at Troy for the 96 and 97 seasons.
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The head coach is LB and his nephew played when I was there. I was not at Troy for the 96 and 97 seasons.
It was a joke, son. A funny.
Nice kid but a little dumb.
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It was a joke, son. A funny.
Nice kid but a little dumb.
Remember I am a teacher and no question is a dumb question.
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Remember I am a teacher and no question is a dumb question.
So is my wife and truer words were never spoken.
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Remember I am a teacher and no question is a dumb question.
There are, indeed, dumb questions. Now stop coddling those fucking kids.
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There are, indeed, dumb questions. Now stop coddling those fucking kids.
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.
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There are, indeed, dumb questions. Now stop coddling those phuking kids.
You are tough. I agree there exist dumb queestions but I answer it just like a good one.
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There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.
True very true my friend.
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You are tough. I agree there exist dumb queestions but I answer it just like a good one.
Isn't "queestion" suppose to be spelled q u e s t i o n?
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Isn't "queestion" suppose to be spelled q u e s t i o n?
Never point out a typo while making a grammatical error.
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Isn't "queestion" suppose to be spelled q u e s t i o n?
He teaches maff. Cut him some slack.
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Isn't "queestion" suppose to be spelled q u e s t i o n?
So I stttttuutttteeeerrr when I type. Big deal I can fix my stutter but you can't fix your ugly :poke: :rimshot:
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He teaches maff. Cut him some slack.
Fanks dude!
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Fanks dude!
grammer / maff (maff*2 + grammer) = maff>grammer
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So I stttttuutttteeeerrr when I type. Big deal I can fix my stutter but you can't fix your ugly :poke: :rimshot:
I'm a hot mutha fucka, it ain't arrogance if it's true.....BIACH!!!!
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I'm a hot mutha phuka, it ain't arrogance if it's true.....BIACH!!!!
Well let's see it :tits: