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Title: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 13, 2010, 09:55:50 PM
if this does not clinch him as a one term-er, then nothing will.

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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed allowing a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and the nation.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."

Obama made the comments at an annual dinner in the White House State Dining Room celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

The White House had not previously taken a stand on the mosque, which would be part of a $100 million Islamic center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001. Press secretary Robert Gibbs had insisted it was a local matter.

It was already much more than that, sparking debate around the country as top Republicans including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich announced their opposition. So did the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights group.

Obama elevated it to a presidential issue Friday without equivocation.

While insisting that the place where the twin towers once stood was indeed "hallowed ground," Obama said that the proper way to honor it was to apply American values.

"Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect towards those who are different from us — and that way of life, that quintessentially American creed, stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today," he said.

Obama harkened back to earlier times when the building of synagogues or Catholic churches also met with opposition. "But time and again, the American people have demonstrated that we can work through these issues, and stay true to our core values and emerge stronger for it," he said. "So it must be and will be today."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent who has been a strong supporter of the mosque, welcomed Obama's words as a "clarion defense of the freedom of religion."

But some Republicans were quick to pounce.

"President Obama is wrong," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much."

Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that his words would not only make headlines but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and the over 100 guests at Friday's dinner included ambassadors and officials from numerous Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. Seated around candlelit tables, they listened closely as Obama spoke, then stood and applauded when the president finished his remarks.

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.

The group behind the $100 million project, the Cordoba Initiative, describes it as a Muslim-themed community center. Early plans call not only for prayer space but for a swimming pool, culinary school, art studios and other features. Developers envision it as a hub for interfaith interaction, as well as a place for Muslims to bridge some of their faith's own schisms.

Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect of a mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of those killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks. Some of the Sept. 11 victims' relatives, however, are in favor.

The mosque has won approval from local planning boards but faces legal challenges, and New York's Conservative Party is planning a television ad campaign to pressure a New York City utility to use its power to block the project.

Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 14, 2010, 12:07:08 PM
Looks like "Ground Zero" will soon be synonymous with "Gaza Strip." 
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: RWS on August 14, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
Am I happy about it? No.

If I were president, I wouldn't be blabbing to anybody that would listen how supportive I am of it. But, I do have to agree with his point that they have the same right to practice their religion in this country as the Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, etc. The people that will worship there didn't kill anybody on 9/11. I would doubt you would find any of them supportive of those who did. I understand the whole issue is a little taboo, and as I said before, I'm not crazy about the idea either. But if we block a mosque from being built down the road from the WTC site, I think that sort of opens a Pandora's Box in the future. Do we start blocking where Jehovah's Witnesses build Kingdom Halls? Where any religion that isn't mainstream Christianity builds their places of worship? Where does it end?
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Townhallsavoy on August 14, 2010, 02:00:16 PM
Am I happy about it? No.

If I were president, I wouldn't be blabbing to anybody that would listen how supportive I am of it. But, I do have to agree with his point that they have the same right to practice their religion in this country as the Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, etc. The people that will worship there didn't kill anybody on 9/11. I would doubt you would find any of them supportive of those who did. I understand the whole issue is a little taboo, and as I said before, I'm not crazy about the idea either. But if we block a mosque from being built down the road from the WTC site, I think that sort of opens a Pandora's Box in the future. Do we start blocking where Jehovah's Witnesses build Kingdom Halls? Where any religion that isn't mainstream Christianity builds their places of worship? Where does it end?

You're right.  They should be allowed to build there.  But our president shouldn't be endorsing this.  Not because of their religion, but rather because they have the audacity to build a Muslim mosque right next to a place where Muslims (extremists or not) were responsible for the deaths of 3000+. 

Because the Muslims are even attempting to build this mosque, even more animosity towards their faith will be demonstrated.  Honestly - I wouldn't be surprised to see their mosque vandalized and/or seriously damaged by some other extremist group.  I hope they're happy.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: CCTAU on August 15, 2010, 02:46:19 AM
You're right.  They should be allowed to build there.  But our president shouldn't be endorsing this.  Not because of their religion, but rather because they have the audacity to build a Muslim mosque right next to a place where Muslims (extremists or not) were responsible for the deaths of 3000+. 

Because the Muslims are even attempting to build this mosque, even more animosity towards their faith will be demonstrated.  Honestly - I wouldn't be surprised to see their mosque vandalized and/or seriously damaged by some other extremist group.  I hope they're happy.

Extremist group? Hell, anybody that was in or around NY on Sept. 11 would have a notion to tear it down. And I would not blame them. The other religions mentioned do not cheer at the death of infidels...oh excuse me, non-believers. We will not be conquered form the outside, but we are being conquered from within.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 15, 2010, 11:31:06 AM
You're right.  They should be allowed to build there.  But our president shouldn't be endorsing this.  Not because of their religion, but rather because they have the audacity to build a Muslim mosque right next to a place where Muslims (extremists or not) were responsible for the deaths of 3000+. 

Because the Muslims are even attempting to build this mosque, even more animosity towards their faith will be demonstrated.  Honestly - I wouldn't be surprised to see their mosque vandalized and/or seriously damaged by some other extremist group.  I hope they're happy.

Well, I'm against this for the reasons that I stated here (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/the_sga/islamic_cultural_center_and_mosque_near_ground_zero_10250.0.html (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/the_sga/islamic_cultural_center_and_mosque_near_ground_zero_10250.0.html)). 

I find the idea of a mosque here as offensive as an Amusement Park at Manassas Battlefield (which I fought against with the Civil War Preservation Trust), as offensive as a German Cultural Center at Auschwitz, an American Cultural Center at Hiroshima/ Nagasaki, or a Japanese Cultural Center at Pearl Harbor. 

What happens when an extremist starts spewing anti-American rhetoric at this mosque?  It's likely to happen because the imam behind this mosque is a supporter of Hamas.  As others have said on this thread the very idea of it is destroying that 'cultural bridge' to America the proponents of this project are supposedly trying to build.  Build the mosque anywhere...but there.

if this does not clinch him as a one term-er, then nothing will.

By the way, less than 24 Hours after The ONE endorsed the mosque he's now backing off (See here: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/obama_backs_away_from_ground_z.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/obama_backs_away_from_ground_z.html) ).  I guess even he can see this project isn't polling well nor resonating with the usually tolerant American People!
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: AUJarhead on August 16, 2010, 07:55:28 AM
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"I was not commenting on the wisdom of putting a mosque there," (Obama) remarked.

I wish he'd just come out and say that they were "acting stupidly" when they want to build their mosque there.  I won't hold my breath...  Offend a police officer?  No problem.  Offend a muslim?  No way.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 09:00:18 AM
Tarheel is spot on and this is one of the few rare times I will disagree with RWS.

It is not about freedom of religion here to me. It is about terrorism. This is a sensitive town and a sensitive part of town to muslim terrorism/extremism. As Tarheel eluded to, this guy is a supporter of and has ties to Hamas. An imam of this caliber has no place anywhere near the WTC site much less building a mosque near it - the same mosques in which they use to hide behind for shelter. A front of sorts. Not that all of them do, but it is common. This is just a bad idea all the way around. On religious basis - its just stupid and there is nothing illegal about it, but again just stupid. But the ties and support for Hamas (terrorist) is what raises a red flag to me and I am not sure why this cannot be used against them.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 16, 2010, 09:14:40 AM
 :silence:

Silence everyone.  I keel you.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 16, 2010, 10:31:12 AM
The other religions mentioned do not cheer at the death of infidels.

Bingo! Muslims around the world have no intention on being friends with any other religion. Their kids are taught these things at early ages but quietly walk around in deceit. These muslims know exactly what the hell they are doing in trying to build a mosque right near Ground Zero. This is a slap in the face and they can kiss my white ass! Maybe we should go build a huge Baptist church in the middle of Tehran. Lets see how they react. Hypocritical fuckers! This shit pisses me off.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 16, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
chew on this for a minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE#)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 11:57:29 AM
Bingo! Muslims around the world have no intention on being friends with any other religion. Their kids are taught these things at early ages but quietly walk around in deceit. These muslims know exactly what the hell they are doing in trying to build a mosque right near Ground Zero. This is a slap in the face and they can kiss my white ass! Maybe we should go build a huge Baptist church in the middle of Tehran. Lets see how they react. Hypocritical fuckers! This shit pisses me off.

You do make a point though about building a non-muslim worship place in a muslim country. It would not be tolerated by any means. They are using the "freedom of religion" in their argument, nevermind where they are from there is no such thing.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
Tarheel is spot on and this is one of the few rare times I will disagree with RWS.

It is not about freedom of religion here to me. It is about terrorism. This is a sensitive town and a sensitive part of town to muslim terrorism/extremism. As Tarheel eluded to, this guy is a supporter of and has ties to Hamas. An imam of this caliber has no place anywhere near the WTC site much less building a mosque near it - the same mosques in which they use to hide behind for shelter. A front of sorts. Not that all of them do, but it is common. This is just a bad idea all the way around. On religious basis - its just stupid and there is nothing illegal about it, but again just stupid. But the ties and support for Hamas (terrorist) is what raises a red flag to me and I am not sure why this cannot be used against them.

If this 'endorsement' doesn't tell you to be against the idea of a mosque in this area I don't know what will; here's an excerpt from an article in the International Business Times, all emphasis is my own:

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International Business Times
Monday, August 16, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
Ground Zero mosque row to become muddier as Hamas pitches in with support

By Jijo Jacob

A Hamas co-founder has said the organization supports the building of a mosque near New York's "Ground Zero"; and that could probably harden opposition to the plan to tear down a 152-year-old building on Park Place to build a new complex which will also include the mosque.

"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, who is also Hamas chief on the Gaza Strip, in a radio interview, according to a New York Post report.

"In every area we have, (as) Muslim(s), we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer," he said.
...

Yes, I'm sure there are thousands of Muslim stock brokers in the Financial District of New York City who need a place to pray during the trading day.

This proposal is clearly a provocation by the followers of the Religion of Perpetual Rage  :silence:.

If this thing gets built I'd like to build a Nativity Scene in Mecca...or put on a Passion Play in Riyadh.

*Edit: forgot to post a link to the source:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/43647/20100816/ground-zero-mosque-hamas-new-york-post-landmarks-preservation-commission.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/43647/20100816/ground-zero-mosque-hamas-new-york-post-landmarks-preservation-commission.htm)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 16, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
If this thing gets built I'd like to build a Nativity Scene in Mecca...or put on a Passion Play in Riyadh.

^^THIS!
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: AUsweetheart on August 16, 2010, 01:53:16 PM

It is not about freedom of religion here to me. It is about terrorism. This is a sensitive town and a sensitive part of town to muslim terrorism/extremism. As Tarheel eluded to, this guy is a supporter of and has ties to Hamas. An imam of this caliber has no place anywhere near the WTC site much less building a mosque near it - the same mosques in which they use to hide behind for shelter. A front of sorts. Not that all of them do, but it is common. This is just a bad idea all the way around. On religious basis - its just stupid and there is nothing illegal about it, but again just stupid. But the ties and support for Hamas (terrorist) is what raises a red flag to me and I am not sure why this cannot be used against them.

I am probably going to regret this, but....

You just can't have it both ways. You can't pick and choose the parts of the Constitution that you like.  This decision, whoever the mastermind is behind the green curtain, is a bad one.  It might even go down in history as one of the biggest all time fucking missteps of the world...besides being a slap in the face to the survivors....no one is going to be benefited by this location, and it will definitely not promote tolerance...
I too, am suspicious of the agenda, of the money sources, and of the overall statement made by a mosque's presence there....but you can't stop them from building it. That, is constitutionally obvious.

And fucking Newt Gingrich didn't do Republicans any favors by trashing the 14th amendment when we are the biggest proponents of it.
It's just a goddamn mess.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Snaggletiger on August 16, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
I was just in NY a couple of weeks ago and toured the Ground Zero area.  Just freakin...WOW!!!  I left there with a new found appreciation for what actually happened and what a HUGE and tragic event that was.  I'm trying to figure out why our society has become so conscious of and ready to jump to the defense of any group or segment of society who's collective feelings are hurt or when any occurrence seems to be even remotely "Insensitive".  But, in this case, when America as a whole is rightfully outraged by something like this, our own President jumps to endorse this crap.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
I am probably going to regret this, but....

You just can't have it both ways. You can't pick and choose the parts of the Constitution that you like.  This decision, whoever the mastermind is behind the green curtain, is a bad one.  It might even go down in history as one of the biggest all time fucking missteps of the world...besides being a slap in the face to the survivors....no one is going to be benefited by this location, and it will definitely not promote tolerance...
I too, am suspicious of the agenda, of the money sources, and of the overall statement made by a mosque's presence there....but you can't stop them from building it. That, is constitutionally obvious.

And fucking Newt Gingrich didn't do Republicans any favors by trashing the 14th amendment when we are the biggest proponents of it.
It's just a goddamn mess.

Thats why I said it wasn't a religious issue solely. And you bet your ass you can keep them from building it if they have ties to Hamas - nothing to do with the Constitution there.

Newt sold out long ago to the neo cons, which is a damned shame too because the the son of a bitch had some good economic ideas before he got bought.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 02:47:44 PM
I am probably going to regret this, but....

You just can't have it both ways. You can't pick and choose the parts of the Constitution that you like.  This decision, whoever the mastermind is behind the green curtain, is a bad one.  It might even go down in history as one of the biggest all time phuking missteps of the world...besides being a slap in the face to the survivors....no one is going to be benefited by this location, and it will definitely not promote tolerance...
I too, am suspicious of the agenda, of the money sources, and of the overall statement made by a mosque's presence there....but you can't stop them from building it. That, is constitutionally obvious.

And phuking Newt Gingrich didn't do Republicans any favors by trashing the 14th amendment when we are the biggest proponents of it.
It's just a goddamn mess.


I think I'll sue FedGov and DEMAND that a Shinto Shrine along with a Shrine to the Japanese Emperor Hirohito be built at the Arizona Memorial.  It's insensitive and unconstitutional that we Shintoists and Buddhists can't worship there!

Honestly, I do understand and appreciate the Constitutional argument here but this is an obvious provocation by terrorists.  There are 30 plus mosques in NYC proper so it's not about liberty; and there's already a precedent set in Lower Manhattan in that NYC has not allowed the Greek Orthodox Church (that was already in the area PRIOR to 9/11) to be rebuilt after nine years.  (It was crushed by debris on 9/11.)

So, I ask rhetorically why do the Followers of the Religion of Perpetual Rage get a "Constitutional" pass?  I notice that like The ONE, Mayor Bloomberg is all for the mosque but hems and haws when asked about the Christian church. 

At the end of the day when the Christians can rebuild their "Ground Zero" church I'll be all for the Constitutionality of the "Ground Zero" Mosque.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Saniflush on August 16, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
This is my deal.  I see where Sweets is coming from and agree completely that you cannot pick and choose what parts of the constitution you like or when they should be enforced.  However it should be a non-issue.

There is a Greek orthodox church that has been trying to go into the same neighborhood for the last few years and is continually turned down in zoning because their building is too large.  ( I think the code states it cannot be taller than the  twin towers monument)

Why do these fucks get special consideration is my gripe?  Let them roll the dice and have to play by the same rules as everyone else. 

If they are dumb enough to put a mosque there then oh fucking well to what happens to them.  Unfortunately we have become more concerned about protecting the minority than making a stand for what is right.

We have done this to ourselves.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 02:55:26 PM
...
Newt sold out long ago to the neo cons, which is a damned shame too because the the son of a bitch had some good economic ideas before he got bought.

I could not agree with you more, GH.  Newt still has some good ideas but he needs to be less of a media whore and more of a behind-the-scenes thinker.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 02:55:54 PM


Why do these fucks get special consideration is my gripe?  Let them roll the dice and have to play by the same rules as everyone else. 

Unfortunately we have become more concerned about protecting the minority than making a stand for what is right.

We have done this to ourselves.


THIS...THIS....and THIS.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 02:59:38 PM
I am probably going to regret this, but....

...

No regrets!  Jump right in!
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
No regrets!  Jump right in!

Speaking of jumping right in, where the fuck is GarMan?
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Saniflush on August 16, 2010, 03:03:36 PM
He has been helping some future Slurpee sellers get English skill set.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 16, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
He has been helping some future Slurpee sellers get English skill set.

These guys love them some GarMan....
(http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_07_kwike.jpg)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
Speaking of jumping right in, where the phuk is GarMan?

I'm sure he will appreciate being missed.  His job has kept him busy 22 hours a day for a while dealing with his offshore Indians and dimwits in Detroit and Toronto; he barely has time for a cocktail and cigar on Sunday afternoons.  But, I'm sure he'll be back soon.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
A mosque...where this occurred:


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/15/article-1303000-017D7FFC0000044D-779_634x650.jpg)


Yeah, there's got to be some local zoning ordinance against that, yes?
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Saniflush on August 16, 2010, 03:33:13 PM
A mosque...where this occurred:


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/15/article-1303000-017D7FFC0000044D-779_634x650.jpg)


Yeah, there's got to be some local zoning ordinance against that, yes?


How dare you show those images. 
Besides everybody knows Bush had those buildings blown up.  The religion of peace and harmony would never do such a thing.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: CCTAU on August 16, 2010, 03:41:43 PM
I log this under the ole "You have a right to say anything, but don't be surprised if it gets your ass whipped" category.

They have a legal right to build it, doesn't mean the people have to accept it, legally or non-legally.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 16, 2010, 03:53:36 PM
I log this under the ole "You have a right to say anything, but don't be surprised if it gets your ass whipped" category.

They have a legal right to build it, doesn't mean the people have to accept it, legally or non-legally.

I like your sentiment there CCT.  I'd say that they have a right to worship as they see fit but they don't necessarily have a 'right' to build their mosque there:

Here's a link to a legal challenge that has been filed by the ACLJ:

http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/ACLJ_EXECUTED-PETITION_20100804.pdf (http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/ACLJ_EXECUTED-PETITION_20100804.pdf)

Here's the short story:

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Lawsuit Filed Challenging Ground Zero Mosque

We have filed a lawsuit today against the NYC Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) at the Supreme Court of the State of New York urging the court to nullify a decision yesterday by LPC - a decision that denies landmark status to a historic building clearing the way for an Islamic mosque to be built on the site.

We represent Tim Brown, a firefighter and first responder, who survived the 9-11 attacks but lost 100 friends that day.

The lawsuit charges that the city violated its own policies and procedures in rejecting landmark status and exhibited "an arbitrary and capricious abuse of discretion and contrary to decades of administrative precedent."

What's clear is that this legal challenge points out the fact that the city did not follow its own rules and procedures in this case.

The deliberative process was tainted and violated procedural safeguards that have been in place for years.
...

Don't know how far that will get but it exposes the dirty politics of the roaches that would approve a new mosque to be built yet find fault with rebuilding a Christian church.

Full story:
http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?ID=983# (http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?ID=983#)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 16, 2010, 04:47:52 PM
Wow, AWK would be thrilled to see calling of the taint.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 16, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
this goes right along with AUTiger's post on Harry Reid. It seems there are two issues Reid disagrees with Obama on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_reid (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_reid)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GarMan on August 16, 2010, 10:01:47 PM
This is my deal.  I see where Sweets is coming from and agree completely that you cannot pick and choose what parts of the constitution you like or when they should be enforced.  However it should be a non-issue.

There is a Greek orthodox church that has been trying to go into the same neighborhood for the last few years and is continually turned down in zoning because their building is too large.  ( I think the code states it cannot be taller than the  twin towers monument)

Why do these phuks get special consideration is my gripe?  Let them roll the dice and have to play by the same rules as everyone else. 

If they are dumb enough to put a mosque there then oh phuking well to what happens to them.  Unfortunately we have become more concerned about protecting the minority than making a stand for what is right.

We have done this to ourselves. 
JACKPOT!!!
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GarMan on August 16, 2010, 10:04:46 PM
Speaking of jumping right in, where the phuk is GarMan?

I'm still alive...  Just busy as hell...  I don't have time for much of anything anymore now that I'm a subject in Barry's Amerika... 
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GarMan on August 16, 2010, 10:07:27 PM
These guys love them some GarMan....
(http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_07_kwike.jpg)
I think I know those guys... 

I must "do the needful" and get back to work now... 
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 17, 2010, 01:52:03 PM
this goes right along with AUTiger's post on Harry Reid. It seems there are two issues Reid disagrees with Obama on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_reid (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_reid)


Good to hear that he's on the right side of this issue.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 17, 2010, 03:07:03 PM

Good to hear that he's on the right side of this issue.

Obama's view is widely unpopular regardless of party. And its an election year...so..........

Prince Harry knows how to pander well.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 17, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
Obama's view is widely unpopular regardless of party. And its an election year...so..........

Prince Harry knows how to pander well.

Thats what I was thinking. Hell, thats probably what alot of people are thinking. He is cutting ties where needed.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 18, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
Obama's view is widely unpopular regardless of party. And its an election year...so..........

Prince Harry knows how to pander well.

Probably true.  As much as I despise his politics 99.9% of the time he might well be sincere on this position so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since he broke ranks with The ONE and Pelosi.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 18, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Probably true.  As much as I despise his politics 99.9% of the time he might well be sincere on this position so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since he broke ranks with The ONE and Pelosi.

TIFWIW - he's in a dead heat with Angle.  Just saying....
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 18, 2010, 02:27:20 PM
TIFWIW - he's in a dead heat with Angle.  Just saying....

Yes, I do hear what you're saying, GH...
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 18, 2010, 02:28:59 PM
Yes, I do hear what you're saying, GH...

He has to pick up a point or two where he can.  :vn:
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 18, 2010, 06:07:23 PM
So apparently Speaker Pelosi in her infinite wisdom wants those opposed to the 'Ground Zero' mosque to be investigated in order to find out who is funding them.

Speaker Pelosi's statement:

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“The freedom of religion is a Constitutional right.  Where a place of worship is located is a local decision.

“I support the statement made by the Interfaith Alliance that ‘We agree with the ADL that there is a need for transparency about who is funding the effort to build this Islamic center.  At the same time, we should also ask who is funding the attacks against the construction of the center.’

“For all of those expressing concern about the 9/11 families, we call upon them to join us in support of the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act when Congress returns in September.”

Source:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 18, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
These are the people that the Speaker of the House of the United States of America, the Hon. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to investigate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlCiX0LIqA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlCiX0LIqA#ws)

Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tiger Wench on August 18, 2010, 07:31:22 PM
GREATEST SARCASTIC RESPONSE EVAH.

From Fox News:

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A Republican aide ridiculed Pelosi's claim that there was a "conspiracy" to oppose the project.

"If the speaker needs help finding the heart of the 'GOP GZM Conspiracy,' I urge her to ask Sasquatch," the aide told Fox News. "His office is behind the black helicopter hangar between the unicorn pen and the leprechaun's pot of gold."

FUCKING PRICELESS!!!!!!!

She is in full-on panic mode, knowing that come November, her nasty ass will be packing up and getting the hell out of the Speaker's Office.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/pelosi-calls-mosque-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/pelosi-calls-mosque-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/)
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: Tarheel on August 18, 2010, 11:23:18 PM
GREATEST SARCASTIC RESPONSE EVAH.

From Fox News:

phukING PRICELESS!!!!!!!

She is in full-on panic mode, knowing that come November, her nasty ass will be packing up and getting the hell out of the Speaker's Office.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/pelosi-calls-mosque-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/pelosi-calls-mosque-debate-zoning-issue-says-new-yorkers-decide/)


Absolutely phenomenal, TigerWench!  Thanks for finding this and posting!  Best political laugh I've had in a long time.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: AUJarhead on August 19, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
From Wench's link:

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"I think everybody respects the right of everyone in the country to express their religious beliefs. ... The decision, though, as to how to go forward in New York, is up to New York," Pelosi told local reporters in San Francisco. "I look to my colleagues in New York. Some of them have different views on the subject. It's up to them to work it out."

So she's just fine with New Yorkers deciding how to go forward with this, but she's not ok with Arizona residents voting for something and passing it into state law.  Shouldn't the decision as how to go forward in Arizona be left to Arizona?
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: AUTiger1 on August 19, 2010, 09:08:39 AM
From Wench's link:

So she's just fine with New Yorkers deciding how to go forward with this, but she's not ok with Arizona residents voting for something and passing it into state law.  Shouldn't the decision as how to go forward in Arizona be left to Arizona?

Yes, but only if it fits her agenda.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 19, 2010, 09:32:02 AM
Yes, but only if it fits her agenda.

When its convenient....

"This is different because it happened to ME!!!!!"
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 19, 2010, 09:38:48 AM
When its convenient....

"This is different because it happened to ME!!!!!"

So, Pelosi is an illegal alien? I knew those big ass bug eyes looked extraterrestrial.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: GH2001 on August 19, 2010, 09:40:59 AM
So, Pelosi is an illegal alien? I knew those big ass bug eyes looked extraterrestrial.

Pelosi = Italian? Possibly.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 19, 2010, 09:43:19 AM
The Italians want claim her.
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: djsimp on August 26, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
I like:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/07/22/2010-07-22_newt_gingrich_comes_out_against_planned_cordoba_house_mosque_near_ground_zero.html

http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-building-mosque-political-statement-‘shocking-arrogance’
Title: Re: No Surprise: Obama Backs Mosque at Ground Zero
Post by: AUChizad on August 27, 2010, 04:04:03 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap
 :pot: