Slow Day: Sporting News Interviews Saban

JR4AU · « **Reply #80 on:** June 25, 2010, 01:37:59 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on June 25, 2010, 01:35:09 PM

I look for the .312 to grow. No doubt you do.
Nutt wouldn't have won that many games in the last 2 years if he would have stayed. Always good to offer speculation as fact.
Bama's record in the 10 years before saban were stellar, right. We have a coach now who is about as far removed from Nutt as Saban is from shula, etc., etc. whoever your last few coaches were. Time will tell.

Token · « **Reply #81 on:** June 25, 2010, 01:44:23 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on June 25, 2010, 01:35:09 PM

Nutt wouldn't have won that many games in the last 2 years if he would have stayed.

He couldn't have done much worse.

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Bama's record in the 10 years before saban were stellar, right.

No, but where does that factor in your argument that Nutt sucked?

boartitz · « **Reply #82 on:** June 25, 2010, 01:56:51 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 01:44:23 PM

He couldn't have done much worse.
No, but where does that factor in your argument that Nutt sucked?

Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.

Saniflush · « **Reply #83 on:** June 25, 2010, 01:57:44 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on June 25, 2010, 01:56:51 PM

Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.

And he loved the dirty Di.

JR4AU · « **Reply #84 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:02:05 PM »

boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.

Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4

Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4

Token · « **Reply #85 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:08:52 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on June 25, 2010, 01:56:51 PM

Would you want to keep a coach for 10 years that had a 50% conference win record? Yall have had some with similar records lately, but you didn't keep them for that long.
Watch his record go down at Ole Miss the longer he stays there. We've seen his show and it was past time for him to get fired when he finally did get it.

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been fired, I'm just saying he wasn't/isn't a terrible coach that Arkansas fans make him out to be. The guy won 50% of his conference games, which is MUCH better than what yall had before, and so far, after.

Petrino would have to go 7-1 this year to get to 50% in conference in his 3rd season. Arkansas isn't a fucking power house who's been held down by a shitty coach for the last 10 seasons. That's all I'm saying.

JR4AU · « **Reply #86 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:10:18 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 02:08:52 PM

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't have been fired, I'm just saying he wasn't/isn't a terrible coach that Arkansas fans make him out to be. The guy won 50% of his conference games, which is MUCH better than what yall had before, and so far, after.

Petrino would have to go 7-1 this year to get to 50% in conference in his 3rd season. Arkansas isn't a fucking power house who's been held down by a shitty coach for the last 10 seasons. That's all I'm saying.

This!

boartitz · « **Reply #87 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:26:53 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on June 25, 2010, 02:02:05 PM

boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.

Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4

Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4

I agree. We just had to live with another 8 years of his players.
The year we had McFadden,Jones, Hillis and Gus just killed me. That was our year for the taking and that egotistical bastard blew it. That was the year that would have elevated his status in everyones eyes if he wouldn't have pressured out.
We fired Ford's ass after back to back losing season, no matter the talent he was amassing.
Nutt kept his job after back to back losing seasons. First time ever in our football history I'm pretty sure.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #88 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:40:50 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 12:03:17 PM

Arky fans hate Nutt for the same reason that Ole Miss fans hated Tuberville. He left them for another school in their conference.

No, they hated him for a few years before he was forced out.

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 01:20:07 PM

And by someone else, you mean Ed Orgeron. What an esteemed coach.

We're not talking about Yaw Yaw's coaching abilities...only his crootin skillz. Whatever his methods may be, the guy is regarded as an ace recruiter.

Quote from: JR4AU on June 25, 2010, 02:02:05 PM

boartitz your "Nutt did it with someone else's players" sort of proves my point.

Ford's last 2 season at Ark: 4-7, 4-7
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ark: 9-3, 8-4

Orgeron's 3 seasons at Ole Miss: 3-8, 4-8, 3-9
Nutt's first 2 seasons at Ole Miss: 9-4, 9-4

Right...new staff, new excitement almost always translates into better results. The stasis has been broken and hope is springing eternal...for a little while. Then the coach's nature begins to shine through and permeate the program.

Nutt is a charlatan, liar, scoundrel and lazy coach/recruiter. He is the peter principle personified.

eagleair89 · « **Reply #89 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:46:39 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 01:25:16 PM

Research, conspiracy theories, history of Southwest conference aside. Here are hard facts.....

Arky against SEC since '92

Before Nutt
18-30-1 .367

With Nutt
42-20 .512

After Nutt
5-11 .312

Maybe Nutt wasn't a "great" coach, but compared to the others.....

should the bolded/underlined figure be .677 and not .512? or am I missing something....

never mind...Nutt's SEC record at arkansas was 42-40 not 42-20

JR4AU · « **Reply #90 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:48:08 PM »

Quote from: boartitz on June 25, 2010, 02:26:53 PM

I agree. We just had to live with another 8 years of his players.
The year we had McFadden,Jones, Hillis and Gus just killed me. That was our year for the taking and that egotistical bastard blew it. That was the year that would have elevated his status in everyones eyes if he wouldn't have pressured out.
We fired Ford's ass after back to back losing season, no matter the talent he was amassing.
Nutt kept his job after back to back losing seasons. First time ever in our football history I'm pretty sure.

I'll reiterate this point...Ark had it's day in the sun in a different era, in a different conference. Ken Hatfield had a nice run in the SWC...while TX was largely mediocre.

Nutt used his players to also have 2 9 win seasons, and a 10 win season with a trip to Atl. This far, in this current era of SEC football, Ark's ONLY trip to Atl for any type of championship. Maybe Nutt's time had run there...like Tubs did at Auburn, but you're being dishonest to fail to recognize or acknowledge what he did accomplish. Your buddy Hurtt spent a lot of time to do what amounts to a hack job on Nutt. If he thinks Ark is on equal footing with the rest of the SEC in regards to recruiting, he's delusional. That whole myth/rebuttal things seems to insinuate that Ark., but for Nutt, would be competing for the SEC and BCS titles during that period. Maybe that's not what it means, but the fact remains, you can speculate all you want...Nutt's overall record is pretty good at Ark, and when you factor in it was in the SEC during a period when the SEC won all the BCS titles it has, not to mention Auburn's run through the mid 2000s...I'll wager that on the whole, Petrino won't better it significantly, if at all.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #91 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:48:18 PM »

How about some cold, hard facts?

Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:

75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas

2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships

Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas

42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name

Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)

Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40

Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)

Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)

Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).

Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)

3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record

Token · « **Reply #92 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:49:21 PM »

Quote from: eagleair89 on June 25, 2010, 02:46:39 PM

should the bolded/underlined figure be .677 and not .512? or am I missing something

No, it should be 42-40. Not 42-20. I zigged when I should have zagged.

Token · « **Reply #93 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:51:15 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2010, 02:48:18 PM

How about some cold, hard facts?

Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:

75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas

2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships

Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas

42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name

Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)

Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40

Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)

Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)

Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).

Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)

3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record

I've honestly tried to stay away from my next comment, but you've forced my hand.

That is damn good coaching for Arkansas.....maybe the best they'll get.

JR4AU · « **Reply #94 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:52:10 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2010, 02:48:18 PM

How about some cold, hard facts?

Nutt’s Career Record at Arkansas:

75-48 (.610) overall record
15-25 (.375) vs. Top 25 teams
5-14 (.263) vs. Top 10 teams
44-45 (.494) in games where Nutt could not choose his opponent (conference & bowl games)
31-3 (.912) in games where Nutt could choose his opponent (losses: Texas, USC & USC)
2-1 (.667) vs. Texas

2-5 overall bowl record [Wes's note: these were usually very low-level bowls; Las Vegas, Independence, etc]
Zero SEC Championships
Zero BCS bowl appearances
Zero National Championships

Nutt’s SEC Conference Record at Arkansas

42-40 (.525) overall SEC record
30-21 (.588) vs. SEC West teams
12-19 (.387) vs. SEC East teams
26-36 (.419) vs. SEC teams without “Mississippi” in their name

Alabama: 5-5 (.500)
Auburn: 5-5 (.500)
Florida: 0-3 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Georgia: 0-5 (including 1 loss in SECCG)
Kentucky: 2-3 (.400)
LSU: 4-6 (.400)
Mississippi: 7-3 (.700)
Mississippi State: 9-1 (.900)
South Carolina: 7-3 (.700)
Tennessee: 2-5 (.286)
Vanderbilt: 1-1 (.500)

Nutt's SEC Conference record by season:

1998: 6-2
1999: 4-4
2000: 3-5
2001: 4-4
2002: 5-4
2003: 4-4
2004: 3-5
2005: 2-6
2006: 7-2
2007: 4-4
TOTAL: 42-40

Number of SEC teams Nutt had a winning record against:
3 of 11 (Ole Miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina)

Number of seasons Nutt had a winning SEC record:
3 of 10 (1998, 2002, 2006)

Number of seasons Nutt’s first SEC loss is followed by another SEC loss: 10 of 10 (every season… 10 years in a row).

Number of seasons Nutt lost 3 SEC games in a row:
6 of 10 (2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005 & 2007)

3-7 vs. non-SEC BCS teams, and 45-47 overall BCS record

Number of seasons Nutt coached at ARKANSAS- 10.
Number of seasons Nutt did as well as OR better than any other coach could within he SEC at ARKANSAS- 10

wesfau2 · « **Reply #95 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:52:36 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 02:51:15 PM

I've honestly tried to stay away from my next comment, but you've forced my hand.

That is damn good coaching for Arkansas.....maybe the best they'll get.

No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.

wesfau2 · « **Reply #96 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:53:59 PM »

Quote from: JR4AU on June 25, 2010, 02:52:10 PM

Number of seasons Nutt coached at ARKANSAS- 10.
Number of seasons Nutt did as well as OR better than any other coach could within he SEC at ARKANSAS- 10

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nutt was retained long past his viable shelf-life due to the protection of Broyles.

If you're saying that Arky should just shut up and accept it because they'll never be better, then we'll just have to disagree.

eagleair89 · « **Reply #97 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:55:04 PM »

Quote from: Token on June 25, 2010, 02:49:21 PM

No, it should be 42-40. Not 42-20. I zigged when I should have zagged.

yeah, np..........figured it out......just a small typo.....sorry for even bringing it up....as the point was still made.

JR4AU · « **Reply #98 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:56:34 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2010, 02:40:50 PM

No, they hated him for a few years before he was forced out.

We're not talking about Yaw Yaw's coaching abilities...only his crootin skillz. Whatever his methods may be, the guy is regarded as an ace recruiter.

Right...new staff, new excitement almost always translates into better results. The stasis has been broken and hope is springing eternal...for a little while. Then the coach's nature begins to shine through and permeate the program.

Nutt is a charlatan, liar, scoundrel and lazy coach/recruiter. He is the peter principle personified.

Right! Like I said, you can twist anything, even the postive, to make it a negative, if you want to see it that way.

Token · « **Reply #99 on:** June 25, 2010, 02:57:12 PM »

Quote from: wesfau2 on June 25, 2010, 02:52:36 PM

No, that is mediocre coaching. With their facilities, monopoly on DI competition in-state and access to mid-west recruiting areas, they have much more potential than Nutt fulfilled.

Yet Nutt performed better than any other coach at Arkansas while in the SEC. Petrino hasn't lit up the SEC since taking over the job, and his recruiting seems to be worse.

So again, maybe Nutt is as good as Arkansas can hope for.