2004 BCS National Championship Question...

[No Huddle]

That is twice undefeated and no NC. That sucks a big one.

[djsimp]

That is twice undefeated and no NC. That sucks a big one.

Thanks pal.

[GH2001]

That is twice undefeated and no NC. That sucks a big one.

3 undefeated teams with no NC in the last 50 years.


1958 (http://www.fanbase.com/article/1958-auburn-team-goes-9-0-1,-just/2953)
1993
2004



1983 had one loss (against Texas I think). But the kicker is that were the highest ranked team after the Bowl Season that didn't lose their bowl game. Nowadays - thats automatic. You rarely see a team get leapfrogged now. Miami didn't exactly smack Neb around either in 83. We beat a very good Michigan team.

[jadennis]

All kidding aside...83' is a prime example of the problems with both systems that college football has used to crown a champion.  No need to spend time breaking down the pile of poop that is the BCS.  That's a given.  The Bowl system and opinion polls used prior was nothing more than a popularity contest.  In 83' Auburn played what was easily one of the toughest schedules in the history of college football.  I saw one publication that had it at #6 all time.  The teams they played that were undefeated and ranked in the top 10 at the time was a murderers row. FSU, Texas, Florida, Maryland (Boomer Esiason), and Georgia.  Then a top 10 Michigan in the Sugar...not to mention playing the usual suspects in the SEC like Bama and UT.

Anywho...Auburn goes into the Sugar ranked #3.  They beat Michigan in a defensive struggle while #1 and #2 lose in front of them.  The final polls keep AU at #3 while #4 Miami vaults to #1 and they keep Nebraska (Who lost to Miami) #2.  BTDub, I bleieve the only loss on Miami's slate that year was ugly at the hands of Florida...who Auburn beat.

Wasn't it the next year that BYU played a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl....for the national championship?

Having said all that, I'm still of the opinion that if they make USC vacate the championship, I'd prefer it be left at that.  I want to see Auburn on the field with their hands raised and the confetti raining down.  I don't want to be guilty of the same thing we constantly accuse Bama fans of, claiming numerous, obscure championships.  I want no doubt.

It's actually worse than that.  Miami was #5 when they jumped to #1.  Yep, four spots for beating  overrated Nebraska.  Guess how many ranked teams Nebraska beat that year.  ZERO.  They were considered the greatest team of all-time, which is why Miami got the four spots for beating them.  Nebraska beat Penn State during the year, but PSU went on to finish 8-4 and unranked.  So technically, the only ranked team the Huskers played all year was Miami.

And you're right Birdman, Miami's one loss was to Florida.  Florida had two losses (Auburn and Georgia).  Auburn had one loss (Texas).  Texas had one loss (Georgia).  Georgia had one loss (Auburn), and a tie (Clemson).  Nebraska had one loss (Miami).  So of this group of teams at the top, Auburn beat two of them, one of which was the team (Georgia) that beat the team (Texas) that had beaten them.  And that loss to Texas was the second game of the year, before Auburn went on to win ten straight.

And as you mentioned, within those ten wins were (consecutive) wins over:
#5 Florida
#7 Maryland
#4 Georgia
#19 Alabama
#8 Michigan

#1 Nebraska wrapped up their last five games with wins over:
Kansas State
Iowa State
Kansas
Oklahoma
(all unranked)
and a loss to:
#2 Miami.  

#5 Miami wrapped up their last five games with wins over:
Cincinnati
#12 West Virginia
East Carolina
Florida State
#1 Nebraska (who we already established had beaten no one while riding their #1 ranking).

For the season, Miami played only three ranked teams.  They lost 28-3 to Florida (who was unranked at the time, first game of the year), they beat #13 Notre Dame (who finished unranked at 7-5), and beat #1 Nebraska (who had played zero ranked teams all year).

Of all the BS titles through the years, 1983 is easily the worst.  I actually feel better about claiming that one than 2004.  

[Snaggletiger]

3 undefeated teams with no NC in the last 50 years.


1958 (http://www.fanbase.com/article/1958-auburn-team-goes-9-0-1,-just/2953)
1993
2004



1983 had one loss (against Texas I think). But the kicker is that were the highest ranked team after the Bowl Season that didn't lose their bowl game. Nowadays - thats automatic. You rarely see a team get leapfrogged now. Miami didn't exactly smack Neb around either in 83. We beat a very good Michigan team.

Bingo.  Texas handled AU pretty handily the 2nd game of the season and stayed at #1 until the Bowl. I believe it was UGA that took care of them.  

[JR4AU]

Bingo.  Texas handled AU pretty handily the 2nd game of the season and stayed at #1 until the Bowl. I believe it was UGA that took care of them.  

Heard Jack Crowe yesterday...he said Auburn had been stunned and sleepwalking since Greg Pratt died, and the Texas loss shook that team awake.

[jadennis]

I was thinking we were #2 going in.

1 - Neb - lost
2 - Aub - won
3 - Miami - won
4 - Mich -  lost

Thats what I remembered anyway. Either way - we got leap frogged. Have a friend that was in the Marching Band that year (83). He said they got plastered on Bourbon Street that night thinking we had the NC. Even had shirts printed up. What a rip off.

Going into the bowls...

1. Nebraska 12-0
2. Texas 11-0
3. Auburn 10-1 (lost to Texas)
4. Illinois 10-1 (lost to Missouri)
5. Miami 10-1 (lost to Florida)
6. SMU 10-1 (lost to Texas)
7. Georgia 9-1-1 (lost to Auburn, tied Clemson)
8. Michigan 9-2 (lost to Washington and Illinois)
9. BYU 10-1 (lost to Baylor)
10. Iowa 9-2 (lost to Illinois and Michigan)
11. Florida 9-2 (lost to Auburn and Georgia)
12. Clemson 9-1-1 (lost to Boston College, tied Georgia)

After the bowls...

1. Miami 11-1 (beat #1 Nebraska)
2. Nebraska 12-1 (lost to #5 Miami)
3. Auburn 11-1  (beat #8 Michigan)
4. Georgia 10-1-1  (beat #2 Texas)
5. Texas 11-1  (lost to #7 Georgia)
6. Florida 10-2  (beat #10 Iowa)
7. BYU 11-1  (beat UR Missouri)
8. Michigan 9-3  (lost to #3 Auburn)
9. Ohio State 9-3  (beat #15 Pitt)
10. Illinois 10-2  (lost to UR UCLA)
11. Clemson 9-1-1 (no bowl)
12. SMU 10-2  (lost to UR Alabama)

[GH2001]

Going into the bowls...

1. Nebraska 12-0
2. Texas 11-0
3. Auburn 10-1 (lost to Texas)
4. Illinois 10-1 (lost to Missouri)
5. Miami 10-1 (lost to Florida)
6. SMU 10-1 (lost to Texas)
7. Georgia 9-1-1 (lost to Auburn, tied Clemson)
8. Michigan 9-2 (lost to Washington and Illinois)
9. BYU 10-1 (lost to Baylor)
10. Iowa 9-2 (lost to Illinois and Michigan)
11. Florida 9-2 (lost to Auburn and Georgia)
12. Clemson 9-1-1 (lost to Boston College, tied Georgia)

After the bowls...

1. Miami 11-1 (beat #1 Nebraska)
2. Nebraska 12-1 (lost to #5 Miami)
3. Auburn 11-1  (beat #8 Michigan)
4. Georgia 10-1-1  (beat #2 Texas)
5. Texas 11-1  (lost to #7 Georgia)
6. Florida 10-2  (beat #10 Iowa)
7. BYU 11-1  (beat UR Missouri)
8. Michigan 9-3  (lost to #3 Auburn)
9. Ohio State 9-3  (beat #15 Pitt)
10. Illinois 10-2  (lost to UR UCLA)
11. Clemson 9-1-1 (no bowl)
12. SMU 10-2  (lost to UR Alabama)

Had to go show everyone up didnt ya JA? 

Either way - we were leap frogged and it sucks ass.

[Birmingham]

What's so hard to understand about this???

In 2004, the team that won the National Championship is later found to be ineligible due to a professional athlete on their team.  Problem with giving the National Title to another team is that there was more than one undefeated team PLUS the team who's only loss was to the ineligible team.  THUS they should give it to no team and 2004 won't have a National Champion MEANING in 2004 the reigning National Championship winning coach was STILL NICK SABAN!  THE MAN'S AMAZING, ONLY 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS BEHIND BRYANT NOW!  CONGRATS SABAN ON YOUR 2004 TITLE!

[AUChizad]

What's so hard to understand about this???

In 2004, the team that won the National Championship is later found to be ineligible due to a professional athlete on their team.  Problem with giving the National Title to another team is that there was more than one undefeated team PLUS the team who's only loss was to the ineligible team.  THUS they should give it to no team and 2004 won't have a National Champion MEANING in 2004 the reigning National Championship winning coach was STILL NICK SABAN!  THE MAN'S AMAZING, ONLY 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS BEHIND BRYANT NOW!  CONGRATS SABAN ON YOUR 2004 TITLE!

Sorry, you only get one thread to be an ignorant trolling asshole about this.

[Birmingham]

Sorry, you only get one thread to be an ignorant trolling butthole about this.

Fair enough.

[djsimp]

Fair enough.

Yea right you fat bastard.

[Birmingham]

Yea right you fat bastard.

Don't be talkin' 'bout LaRoundo like that.

[djsimp]

Don't be talkin' 'bout LaRoundo like that.

Now that he is teammates with Tate, I must take up for him.

[Token]

Now that he is teammates with Tate, I must take up for him.

Wrong All-American linebacker.

[Birmingham]

Now that he is teammates with Tate, I must take up for him.

LaRoundo ain't teammates with no Tates.

[boartitz]

LaRoundo ain't teammates with no Tates.

I had a mangy dog show up at my place the other day. Why don't you come over and suck the dog's dick before I exterminate it?

[Birmingham]

I had a mangy dog show up at my place the other day. Why don't you come over and suck the dog's tool before I exterminate it?

And you wonder why I treat you like shit.  I never speak to you, acknowledge you or start shit with you.  You always come out of nowhere having not even been mentioned.  You're like the little tiny dog in cartoons that yaps "let me at 'em, let me at 'em." trying to prove your the toughest around.  I'm trying to figure out what you think you're accomplishing by interrupting every thread with your small-dog complex yapping.  If I thought you were important enough to be concerned with I would have spoken to you first.  Is this what they do on woopig?  Yelp like little dogs?

[jmar]

Adults that had witnessed the past crimes knew that Auburn would have to run Michigan out of the Sugar Bowl in order to have an unchallenged claim at the MNC.  BYU in '84 has similarities to Boise State* in shock value. 

[djsimp]

Wrong All-American linebacker.

My bad, that would be D Ryans.