The alpha-Male...

[CCTAU]

Here's an example though.  I recently lost a robbery prosecution.  Victim ID'd the suspect, and a second guy had seen and spoken to the suspect as well.  The victim was a technician working on the cable of a local attorney's office.  The the suspect had cased them, and actually walked through the ally and spoken to them.  After the attorney went in, and the technician started the crawl under the house, the suspect came back and tapped the technician on the shoulder and pointed a gun in his face.  He ran off after robbing him.  Several days later, the attorney, in court, IDs the guy as the man who'd been in the ally the day his cable guy was robbed... the suspect is one of the guys brought in from the jail to court .  The suspect was in jail on another unrelated robbery charge.  The jury didn't think eyewitness ID was reliable...one of them said that maybe he just thought it was the same guy that had spoken to them earlier because he was fixated on the gun and not the robber's face, and since the lawyer had not actually seen the robbery itself, his testimony was disregarded... NOT GUILTY!  About as good a robbery case as can be had short of video.  Should my office, or I personally be held "accountable" for "losing" such a case, because the jury simply wouldn't convict?

Here again. If the victim could have shot the POS after he turned to run, the said POS would not have caused any issues at all. But then YOU, JR4AU, would be prosecuting the victim instead of the POS.

[AUTiger1]

Here again. If the victim could have shot the POS after he turned to run, the said POS would not have caused any issues at all. But then YOU, JR4AU, would be prosecuting the victim instead of the POS.

I don't know about you, but when I crawl under my house to run speaker wire, cable and cat5 cable, I usually don't pack heat.  You know, dust and dirt tends to affect the action of a firearm.

[CCTAU]

I don't know about you, but when I crawl under my house to run speaker wire, cable and cat5 cable, I usually don't pack heat.  You know, dust and dirt tends to affect the action of a firearm.

Depends on the firearm. A good revolver will still rotate and fire even after being in the mud. Priorities man, Priorities....

I'm partial to the JUDGE.

[JR4AU]

I didn't think we were talking about criminal cases.  The most obvious differences being presumption of innosence and beyond a reasonable doubt.  The standards are different, as you know.

It's more an example of how juries think and work.  The system is inexact.  Good cases with solid legal merit an issues are not assured victory. 

[CCTAU]

Oh. I almost forgot...........

What do you get when you cross a lawyer with a demon from hell?
Another lawyer.

[JR4AU]

Here again. If the victim could have shot the POS after he turned to run, the said POS would not have caused any issues at all. But then YOU, JR4AU, would be prosecuting the victim instead of the POS.

You know, I don't think you're as stupid as you come across.  Could just be you've abandoned any serious discussion here, and like to use absurd bullshit to provoke.  I KNOW you're not nearly as tough as you like to talk, nor is talk of shooting people in the back even tough at all.  And you don't know what I'd do.  I do know this, that if you think you're a man, and that it should be "right", "OK", "ethical", "legal", or "moral" to shoot people...criminals...in the back as they flee...then you and I will never agree on much.  You want to carry a gun, and protect yourself from harm, it's your right.  I do.  When the threat is no longer, and I'm still standing, I have no right to use deadly force except in extreme circumstances where the escape of the subject presents a REAL, and IMMINENT threat to another, or the public at large.  You want to shoot people in the back as they flee?  You're a pathetic coward.  I hope you're just popping off.

[GarMan]

I'm partial to the JUDGE. 

That will likely be my next firearm purchase.  I need to have it.  I purchased the TCP a couple of months ago.  It's GREAT for concealed carry.  You can hide it just about anywhere.

[JR4AU]

That will likely be my next firearm purchase.  I need to have it.  I purchased the TCP a couple of months ago.  It's GREAT for concealed carry.  You can hide it just about anywhere.

All personal defense can be handled with a 1911 .45 ACP.  In home security can be handled with a good pump 12ga. shotgun or 1911.

[GH2001]

In home security can be handled with a good pump 12ga. shotgun or 1911.

I got ACOM. And if they get past that- Ive got that pump waiting.

[CCTAU]

You know, I don't think you're as stupid as you come across.  Could just be you've abandoned any serious discussion here, and like to use absurd bullshit to provoke.  I KNOW you're not nearly as tough as you like to talk, nor is talk of shooting people in the back even tough at all.  And you don't know what I'd do.  I do know this, that if you think you're a man, and that it should be "right", "OK", "ethical", "legal", or "moral" to shoot people...criminals...in the back as they flee...then you and I will never agree on much.  You want to carry a gun, and protect yourself from harm, it's your right.  I do.  When the threat is no longer, and I'm still standing, I have no right to use deadly force except in extreme circumstances where the escape of the subject presents a REAL, and IMMINENT threat to another, or the public at large.  You want to shoot people in the back as they flee?  You're a pathetic coward.  I hope you're just popping off.

When and individual decides to rob, attack, or threaten bodily harm on another, he is publicly stating that he is willing to kill for whatever it is that he wants. Because he decided to spare me and walk off, I am supposed to forgive his assault on my life? I am supposed to allow him to leave and do that to another person? A lawyer would I guess, since lawyers and dims try to figure out the law before they act. I guess I should have said that the criminal should have been confronted before he got away. IF we afforded the criminal the same respect they give victims, we might not have as many criminals. Or the criminals would just now be former upstanding citizens that were put in jail by courageous lawyers.

[JR4AU]

If you're going to carry that judge thing...use the .410 shot shell....45 Colt ammo isn't all that swuft.  They can't load it at the factory to it's real potential because of all the old revolvers out there.  If you load your own stuff, then the .45 Colt aint a bad choice.

[CCTAU]

That will likely be my next firearm purchase.  I need to have it.  I purchased the TCP a couple of months ago.  It's GREAT for concealed carry.  You can hide it just about anywhere.

How do you find ammo?

A JUDGE with the new .410 ammo is about as good as any shotgun due to the ease of concealment. That pump .12 is hard to hide on your hip or under your pillow.

[JR4AU]

When and individual decides to rob, attack, or threaten bodily harm on another, he is publicly stating that he is willing to kill for whatever it is that he wants. Because he decided to spare me and walk off, I am supposed to forgive his assault on my life? I am supposed to allow him to leave and do that to another person? A lawyer would I guess, since lawyers and dims try to figure out the law before they act. I guess I should have said that the criminal should have been confronted before he got away. IF we afforded the criminal the same respect they give victims, we might not have as many criminals. Or the criminals would just now be former upstanding citizens that were put in jail by courageous lawyers.

I don't care if you forgive it or not, legally you can't use deadly force AFTER the threat is over.  Certain exceptions apply.  And in certain states, you can use deadly force to protect property.  Again, you love popping off about lawyers.  Did you catch your wife or girlfriend with one, and does she still scream his name at inappropriate times?  

[GH2001]

That pump .12 is hard to hide on your hip or under your pillow.

It ain't alone. Its got friends. Its just the first gun I ever bought and my favorite... and packs a WALLOP. I want to make sure the bastard falls to the ground and doesn't get up until the coroner gets there to haul him off.  

[GarMan]

All personal defense can be handled with a 1911 .45 ACP. 

 
Yeah sure, as long as you can carry a sidearm everywhere you go without raising concern or causing a disturbance.  Some of us have to go with concealed weapons. 

[CCTAU]

It ain't alone. Its got friends. Its just the first gun I ever bought and my favorite... and packs a WALLOP. I want to make sure the bastard falls to the ground and doesn't get up until the coroner gets there to haul him off.  

I have to keep the kids on mind. It's hard to secure that .12. I have a gun vault under my side of the bed that I can take the smaller weapon in and out of. As the kids get older, they understand and are not intrigued by the guns as they are allowed to shoot whenever they want, with supervision. But it's the visiting children that we have to protect.

[CCTAU]

I don't care if you forgive it or not, legally you can't use deadly force AFTER the threat is over.  Certain exceptions apply.  And in certain states, you can use deadly force to protect property.  Again, you love popping off about lawyers.  Did you catch your wife or girlfriend with one, and does she still scream his name at inappropriate times?  

I would say its mostly divorce lawyers that are scum. But how do you determine the type of slime is divorce only slime?

I did have a girlfriend once that left me for a lawyer with more money (not sure if divorce) but eventually she came back once a week for personal satisfaction. We both got what we wanted and it didn't cost me a dime, so that was fine. Come to think of it, he did have a nice expensive shiny car. It was big too. The car.

[JR4AU]

 
Yeah sure, as long as you can carry a sidearm everywhere you go without raising concern or causing a disturbance.  Some of us have to go with concealed weapons. 

Those who don't carry them don't know, and for some reason assume otherwise...the 1911 is one of the most concealable pistols there is, outside of those little useless pocket derringers.  They've very thin...thinner than a S&W .38Spcl.  They can be carried neatly merely tucked in a wasteband, and they make a miriad of holsters to choose from for them.  A Colt Lightweight Commander is the absolute shit in personal concealed carry.

[JR4AU]

I would say its mostly divorce lawyers that are scum. But how do you determine the type of slime is divorce only slime?

I did have a girlfriend once that left me for a lawyer with more money (not sure if divorce) but eventually she came back once a week for personal satisfaction. We both go what we wanted and it didn't cast me a dome, so that was fine. Come to think of it, he did have a nice expensive shiny car. It was big too. The car.

Ah, now we're getting a clearer picture. 

[CCTAU]

Those who don't carry them don't know, and for some reason assume otherwise...the 1911 is one of the most concealable pistols there is, outside of those little useless pocket derringers.  They've very thin...thinner than a S&W .38Spcl.  They can be carried neatly merely tucked in a wasteband, and they make a miriad of holsters to choose from for them.  A Colt Lightweight Commander is the absolute shit in personal concealed carry.

Since you qualified it with "lightweight". Otherwise, a regular 1911 is fun to shoot, but a little on the heavy side fully loaded.