Bammer Excuse #4,325: Teams Have Bye Weeks Before Playing Them

[Token]

You may see him in mop-up against Bama in the 4th quarter this year. I luv subs.

We saw the back up in mop up duty last year in the Bama/Arky game.  Or course, that's because Mallett folded like a Lexington Steele hammered mommy part after we rushed the fuck out of him, and Arky was down by 28 points. 

[boartitz]

We saw the back up in mop up duty last year in the Bama/Arky game.  Or course, that's because Mallett folded like a Lexington Steele hammered mommy part after we rushed the fuck out of him, and Arky was down by 28 points. 

It must be nice to live in the past.

[RWS]

It must be nice to live in the past.

Seems like I remember this kind of talk from Arky fans before the '09 season as well. How did that work out for you guys? The past two years, Alabama has beat the dogshit out of Arkansas. You guys haven't really done anything to show that this might change. Yet another year of sub-par recruiting, and Mallett is still the only weapon Arkansas really has.

[JR4AU]

BOB means back on backer a lead block if you will. As mentioned zone blocking allows your RB to make his own decisions and create. When you are between the tackles creating could mean wasted time. When you man up, Iso and hit it running your success rate goes up. I like zone blocking for hitting the edge or when running in the ace formation.

The base run game of Malzahn is gap scheme runs.  Either a pulling OL, and/or a blocking back leading the play.  Not usually ISO, but Trap, Power, and Sweep.  Trap and Power are both between the tackles, downhill runs.  Zone is a perfectly good scheme, the Colts have made a living off it, as did the Broncos Super Bowl team of the late 90s.  Well coached backs don't waste time in the backfield.  The inside zone is a good play, and hits the line hard if you have a RB that will.  Lots of teams zone almost exclusively.  It works.  But then so does gap/man schemes.  Just a matter of doing what you do. 

[GH2001]

It must be nice to live in the past.

Their present aint no joke either.

[No Huddle]

The base run game of Malzahn is gap scheme runs.  Either a pulling OL, and/or a blocking back leading the play.  Not usually ISO, but Trap, Power, and Sweep.  Trap and Power are both between the tackles, downhill runs.  Zone is a perfectly good scheme, the Colts have made a living off it, as did the Broncos Super Bowl team of the late 90s.  Well coached backs don't waste time in the backfield.  The inside zone is a good play, and hits the line hard if you have a RB that will.  Lots of teams zone almost exclusively.  It works.  But then so does gap/man schemes.  Just a matter of doing what you do. 

I can't argue one bit with that but I coach high school ball and we need to be down hill. Some college teams need that as well. I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.

[boartitz]

I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.

I know who wears the britches.

[No Huddle]

I know who wears the britches.

Harvey and I are in the same boat.

[Snaggletiger]

Harvey and I are in the same boat.

Ssshhhh...keep your voice down.

[JR4AU]

I can't argue one bit with that but I coach high school ball and we need to be down hill. Some college teams need that as well. I will post more but my wife is bitching about some shit so I will see you guys later.

Agree.  But as a coach you know you have to have a good mix of "things you do" but that they have to compliment each other.  You can run a hodgepodge of plays.  Anyway...Malzahn was purely a gap run coach in HS, and learned the zone stuff when he got to college ball.  Herb Hand at Tulsa is a Rich Rod guy.  The zone scheme isn't Malzahn's base scheme, but if you're going to run the ball in college out of the shotgun, you pretty much need the zone plays because of the option scheme off of it.  It works well with PA passing too.  Malzahns bread and butter down hill plays are trap and power.

You can see the first play here, and at 1:33 the same play...they're run right at the 1 hole downhill.  It's essentially a trap play, but it's run with a Counter GB blocking scheme.  Pulling guard and lead H-back.  That's as downhill a play as their is, and doesn't require the Guards of Center to block mano y mano on NTs or 3 Techniques which are usually difficult for centers and guards to handle one on one at this level. 



Then there's the good ole power play, whic hits off tackle.  It can be run like this first play:



Then there's the Wildcat or QB power...shown at 1:17

[No Huddle]

Agree.  But as a coach you know you have to have a good mix of "things you do" but that they have to compliment each other.  You can run a hodgepodge of plays.  Anyway...Malzahn was purely a gap run coach in HS, and learned the zone stuff when he got to college ball.  Herb Hand at Tulsa is a Rich Rod guy.  The zone scheme isn't Malzahn's base scheme, but if you're going to run the ball in college out of the shotgun, you pretty much need the zone plays because of the option scheme off of it.  It works well with PA passing too.  Malzahns bread and butter down hill plays are trap and power.

You can see the first play here, and at 1:33 the same play...they're run right at the 1 hole downhill.  It's essentially a trap play, but it's run with a Counter GB blocking scheme.  Pulling guard and lead H-back.  That's as downhill a play as their is, and doesn't require the Guards of Center to block mano y mano on NTs or 3 Techniques which are usually difficult for centers and guards to handle one on one at this level. 



Then there's the good ole power play, whic hits off tackle.  It can be run like this first play:



Then there's the Wildcat or QB power...shown at 1:17

Dude you have done your homework. I like what Gus does and I could not compare myself to any college OC. I mean let's face it if I was as good as those guys we would not be typing to each other right now. I also like the traps and power plays. I like the fact that a "lead blocker" is in the hole before the RB. My personal preference is I do not want my RB meeting your MLB head to head in the hole. I also, like you mentioned above, do not like my OG and C mano y mano with a 3 or NT. I like a double and chip to the second level. I am just not a huge fan of zone blocking. I am not saying it does not work just my opinion.

[The Prowler]

Dude you have done your homework. I like what Gus does and I could not compare myself to any college OC. I mean let's face it if I was as good as those guys we would not be typing to each other right now. I also like the traps and power plays. I like the fact that a "lead blocker" is in the hole before the RB. My personal preference is I do not want my RB meeting your MLB head to head in the hole. I also, like you mentioned above, do not like my OG and C mano y mano with a 3 or NT. I like a double and chip to the second level. I am just not a huge fan of zone blocking. I am not saying it does not work just my opinion.

I'm a big fan of the Guard taking on the 3 Tech, one on one, then have the Center dive head first into the 3 Tech's legs.  The Center just needs to remember to stay really low, while hurling himself into the player's legs.  That blocking scheme isn't designed to open a hole, it's just designed to get the 2nd Stringer or Scrub player in there.

We really need to get Kao's point of view on this.....

[Token]

I'm a big fan of the Guard taking on the 3 Tech, one on one, then have the Center dive head first into the 3 Tech's legs.  The Center just needs to remember to stay really low, while hurling himself into the player's legs.  That blocking scheme isn't designed to open a hole, it's just designed to get the 2nd Stringer or Scrub player in there.

You must have really enjoyed watching Auburn's offensive line for the last few years.

[No Huddle]

You must have really enjoyed watching Auburn's offensive line for the last few years.

He loves Hugh Nall.

[GH2001]

Dude you have done your homework.

He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol

[No Huddle]

He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol
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Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.

[Jumbo]

He's good at teh Al Gore Googles like VandyVol
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Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.

The Quote function Always wins!

[GH2001]

Why did you have to do that? I felt like he was the real deal.

I'm sure he knows I'm just pickin'. I got no beef with JR4AU. In fact, his rants against Bammerham are great.

[JR4AU]

I'm sure he knows I'm just pickin'. I got no beef with JR4AU. In fact, his rants against Bammerham are great.

It's cool!  I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do.  Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them. 

No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking.  I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses.  But not everyone makes a living with it. 

Dude you have done your homework.

I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book.  Not a mention of Zone in it.  All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs.   My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen.  I really love that Power  with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull. 

[GH2001]

It's cool!  I know most fans don't give a rip about real Xs and Os, or at least not as much as I do.  Just enjoying the opportunity to disucuss them. 

No Huddle, I get it with you and zone blocking.  I like it because it's simple and easy for the O Line to understand, and it deals well with stunting defenses.  But not everyone makes a living with it. 

I have, in fact, read Malzahn's book.  Not a mention of Zone in it.  All Blast, Gap, Veer, and Midline Option runs.   My personal preference is big, athletic, pulling linemen.  I really love that Power  with the backside G getting up a head of steam on his pull. 

I've heard the book is a good read.