"Sir, do you think a helicopter could see you?" "Nadia, how about I take your...

[Townhallsavoy]

...picture?!  That way everyone can SEE what the LORD has done just for you!"

Find the video of the 911 call. 

For those that haven't heard, Nadia went missing in the Florida swamp for four days.  A man, James King, says that the lord directed his path directly to her whereabouts.  The police searched for three days using all their high tech equipment and came up with nothing.  James King?  Just took his bible and a few supplies and went wherever God told him to walk.  He walked right to her. 

He claims (and others are claiming) that it's a wonderful miracle.  Sounds great to me...until I heard the 911 call.  You be the judge.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/os-nadia-bloom-missing-20100412,0,4840587.story?page=3 

[Token]

"Here's an apple and some chocolate.  Now come sit on my lap and I'll show you how God protected you." 

I'll stop short of accusing him of anything, but just listening to the way he was talking to her......that's one creepy motherfucker.   

[War Eagle!!!]

My bull shit meter is off the charts...

[AUChizad]

I would bet my life savings that something comes out of these investigations.

Look at the pictures of the girl after she was "rescued". Does she really look like she's been sleeping in a swamp for five days and nights? And does a person who hasn't eaten for five days and nights really respond to an apple & chocolate milk with "Yay!"?

I saw video of the police escorting him to the cruiser and he was reluctant to get in. Wonder why? And when they asked him his specific coordinates in that 9-11 call? He stumbles over his words and says in a "Why aren't you buying my bullshit story" tone of desperation, "God brought me to her" instead of giving them any facts?

[Buzz Killington]

This really sounds like it could be a new episode of Criminal Minds.

[GH2001]

...picture?!  That way everyone can SEE what the LORD has done just for you!"

A man, James King, says that the lord directed his path directly to her whereabouts. 

Just took his bible and a few supplies and went wherever God told him to walk.  He walked right to her. 

He claims (and others are claiming) that it's a wonderful miracle. 

BS - sorry but this is the kind of stuff that turns people off from religion. Its the stuff televangelists are made of.

[Snaggletiger]

BS - sorry but this is the kind of stuff that turns people off from religion. Its the stuff televangelists are made of.

Nope, this is the type of stuff televangelists are made of..

[GH2001]

Nope, this is the type of stuff televangelists are made of..

I laugh as much at them without the farting noises. About the same difference.

[Tiger Wench]

I would bet my life savings that something comes out of these investigations.

Look at the pictures of the girl after she was "rescued". Does she really look like she's been sleeping in a swamp for five days and nights? And does a person who hasn't eaten for five days and nights really respond to an apple & chocolate milk with "Yay!"?

The child is mildly autistic or has a developmental disorder of some kind.  Those statements are not unbelievable. 

However... I agree on the official calling of bullshit, and the cops apparently do too.

[Token]

The child is mildly autistic or has a developmental disorder of some kind.  Those statements are not unbelievable. 

However... I agree on the official calling of bullpoop, and the cops apparently do too.

And because of that, some people would consider her an easy target for sexual abuse.  This one could get VERY ugly. 

[Tiger Wench]

And because of that, some people would consider her an easy target for sexual abuse.  This one could get VERY ugly. 

ABSOLUTELY.  Her statements to police will be suspect and her credibility on the stand will be challenged by any defense attorney worth a damn. 

I wonder if he left her for dead then got scared, or if he saw a chance to deflect suspicion from himself or if he just wanted to be a "hero"...

[Token]

ABSOLUTELY.  Her statements to police will be suspect and her credibility on the stand will be challenged by any defense attorney worth a damn. 

I wonder if he left her for dead then got scared, or if he saw a chance to deflect suspicion from himself or if he just wanted to be a "hero"...

Judging the way he conducted himself throughout the 911 call and the rescue, I'd say he figured he could deflect suspicion from himself BY being the hero.  His comments to 911 were thought out.  No doubt about it.  He begins to get very defensive and aggravated when they ask him simple questions about his entrance to the conservation and about his personal vehicle. 

In my opinion, it seemed to me as though he had the entire rescue mapped out.  He knew where they should enter, and he probably only prepared himself to answer questions about her well being.  Which could probably explain why he got so agitated when they started asking him questions about his vehicle. 

Something is definitely very weird about the situation.   

[jadennis]

Damn you people are cynical.

Because the guy is a Christian, praises God in the middle of an extremely emotional time for what he thinks is a miracle...he is creepy and full of shit?

Faith.  We all have it placed in something.  It's in God, or it's placed in ourselves, or it's placed in money, or it's technology, or science or whatever.  We all place our faith in something, whether consciously or unintentionally.

Just because this guy's faith is substantial and is in God, why is he an obvious sexual abusive kidnapping creep?  Possible.  Sure.  Anything is.  But I just don't get why it's off-the-charts obvious and is the only logical explanation.  Oh, God led him where to go?  Well that's not possible, so what's the real truth?  I think we should open our minds a little and consider we don't know everything.

As for the cops questioning things...well, they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't.  It doesn't mean he's given them good reason or is suspicious.  Give the guy (and God) a chance.  Maybe it's as simple as the story seems to be.

[jadennis]

Judging the way he conducted himself throughout the 911 call and the rescue, I'd say he figured he could deflect suspicion from himself BY being the hero.  His comments to 911 were thought out.  No doubt about it.  He begins to get very defensive and aggravated when they ask him simple questions about his entrance to the conservation and about his personal vehicle.  

In my opinion, it seemed to me as though he had the entire rescue mapped out.  He knew where they should enter, and he probably only prepared himself to answer questions about her well being.  Which could probably explain why he got so agitated when they started asking him questions about his vehicle.  

Something is definitely very weird about the situation.  

Or he could have been thinking, "why the hell are you asking me what color my car is...I just found the lost girl".
It's like if I called to tell the cops someone was in my house and they asked me if my TV was on.  I would think, in the emotion of the moment, that his question was irrelevant a stupid.  

If what you're saying is true, and he kidnapped her and intended to leave her for dead, etc, it makes absolutely no sense to try to act like you're the hero that found her.  Why willingly tie yourself directly into the situation?  Why put yourself right in the hands of those who will be asking questions?  

And why would you let it be known that you walked straight to her (as if he knew where she was...anyone who doesn't believe in miracles would immediately suspect he must have known where he was going)?  Why wouldn't you say you walked in circles for hours and happen to come across her?  Nothing he has done would make any sense if he had kidnapped her.  Sure, maybe he's just that stupid.  But if someone is just that stupid, than all of the reasoning you're using to accuse him goes out the window, because real reason and logic wouldn't apply to him.

[Token]

Damn you people are cynical.

Because the guy is a Christian, praises God in the middle of an extremely emotional time for what he thinks is a miracle...he is creepy and full of poop?

Faith.  We all have it placed in something.  It's in God, or it's placed in ourselves, or it's placed in money, or it's technology, or science or whatever.  We all place our faith in something, whether consciously or unintentionally.

Just because this guy's faith is substantial and is in God, why is he an obvious sexual abusive kidnapping creep?  Possible.  Sure.  Anything is.  But I just don't get why it's off-the-charts obvious and is the only logical explanation.  Oh, God led him where to go?  Well that's not possible, so what's the real truth?  I think we should open our minds a little and consider we don't know everything.

As for the cops questioning things...well, they wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't.  It doesn't mean he's given them good reason or is suspicious.  Give the guy (and God) a chance.  Maybe it's as simple as the story seems to be.

I have not, at any time, questioned his faith in God or the possibility that God was involved in her rescue.  What I do question are other things.  Like, why would you take chocolate milk into a vast swampland in search for a child who has been missing for four days without food or water?  Spoiled milk is the last thing I'd want someone to drink who I was attempting to rescue.  

I question the manner in which he conducted himself on the phone with the 911 operators.  Although it's possible to believe that he deals with highly stressful and emotionally charged situations every day, it's not likely.  He showed no real emotion the entire time.  The emotion he tried to portray was as fake as the day is long.  This guy had been knee deep in alligator/snake infested swampland all morning while looking for this girl.  Normal people would have a super intense adrenaline charge after fighting those conditions for hours and then finding the child.  He displayed no characteristics of a person in that situation.  If the guys a military guy, or a first responder of any kind, maybe I could believe the 911 call.  

I question why he was so agitated with simple (but very important) questions about where he entered.  I question how exactly he knew a much more plausible way to enter and find them.  I question why he wanted her to sit on his lap.  These are not things a normal person would do.  

[Token]

If what you're saying is true, and he kidnapped her and intended to leave her for dead, etc, it makes absolutely no sense to try to act like you're the hero that found her.  Why willing tie yourself into the situation?  Why put yourself right in the hands of those who will be asking questions?  

Because that's how child molesters think.  Especially since they were still out there.  Eventually someone was going to find her.  And if they find her alive, he's screwed.  If he goes back to find her, he can fill her head with things like "this is God's will" and "God meant for this to happen".  I'm not saying he's guilty of anything.  I'm just saying religious people who are caught sexually abusing children use this EXACT tactic.  "If you tell anyone, God will be angry". "God sent me here because this is his will".

And why would you let it me known that you walked straight to her?  Why wouldn't you say you walked in circles for hours and happen to come across her?  Nothing he has done would make any sense if he had kidnapped her.  Sure, maybe he's just that stupid.  But if someone is just that stupid, than all of the reasoning you're using to accuse him goes out the window, because real reason and logic wouldn't apply to him.

This way, IF he did something other than play hero of the day, he now has an argument and an appeal to the general public.  He's no kidnapper or molester, he's a hero.  And not just any hero....he's a miracle sent from God.  

I'm not saying he's guilty.  I'm just saying that normal people don't act the way he did.  Not in those situations.

[jadennis]

I have not, at any time, questioned his faith in God or the possibility that God was involved in her rescue.  What I do question are other things.  Like, why would you take chocolate milk into a vast swampland in search for a child who has been missing for four days without food or water?  Spoiled milk is the last thing I'd want someone to drink who I was attempting to rescue.  

I question the manner in which he conducted himself on the phone with the 911 operators.  Although it's possible to believe that he deals with highly stressful and emotionally charged situations every day, it's not likely.  He showed no real emotion the entire time.  The emotion he tried to portray was as fake as the day is long.  This guy had been knee deep in alligator/snake infested swampland all morning while looking for this girl.  Normal people would have a super intense adrenaline charge after fighting those conditions for hours and then finding the child.  He displayed no characteristics of a person in that situation.  If the guys a military guy, or a first responder of any kind, maybe I could believe the 911 call.  

I question why he was so agitated with simple (but very important) questions about where he entered.  I question how exactly he knew a much more plausible way to enter and find them.  I question why he wanted her to sit on his lap.  These are not things a normal person would do.  

See, I think all of our "questions" are from a view point of suspicion.  I listened to it and didn't think anything of it, because when I started to listen, I had no reason to be suspicious of him.  It's like if Saban started talking about how he innocently bumped into a recruit during a dead period.  As soon as he started his story I would already be interpreting everything with a "that's bullshit" ear.

I thought he was totally believable.  And if he's going on a journey to find a lost girl, why would you not take nutrient shakes, apple slices, etc.  Those are good things to give someone that hasn't eaten in days right?  It's not weird to me at all.   He also already knew the girl.  Why would he not ask a little lost, scared girl to sit in his lap in a swamp?  Everything isn't always sexually motivated.

By the way, listen to her voice.  She's more calm than him and her life had just been saved after days in a swamp.  Are we to suspect that she's in on it because she wasn't elated and ecstatic on the phone?  Anyway, I just don't get all the "this is bullshit" that goes with this story....other than the fact that he claims God led him to her.  To me, that is what sets off all the suspicion, and I just think that's weak of us.  

By the way, my posts were not meant to me directed solely at you, but just to the tone of the responses in general.  And if that's what everyone honestly thinks, well, oh well.  I'm just throwing my thoughts out there too.

[jadennis]

Because that's how child molesters think.  Especially since they were still out there.  Eventually someone was going to find her.  And if they find her alive, he's screwed.  If he goes back to find her, he can fill her head with things like "this is God's will" and "God meant for this to happen".  I'm not saying he's guilty of anything.  I'm just saying religious people who are caught sexually abusing children use this EXACT tactic.  "If you tell anyone, God will be angry". "God sent me here because this is his will".

This way, IF he did something other than play hero of the day, he now has an argument and an appeal to the general public.  He's no kidnapper or molester, he's a hero.  And not just any hero....he's a miracle sent from God.  

I'm not saying he's guilty.  I'm just saying that normal people don't act the way he did.  Not in those situations.

Well, I can't argue with any of that....I mean, it's all very Columbo to me.  Maybe this, maybe that.  This is what crazy people do.  This way he's safe.   This way he's a hero.  I mean, it's just very Silence of the Lambs and hollywood.  Sure, like I said before, it's possible.  But come on, isn't that kind of thing possible every time anywhere anything good happens.

As for him not reacting how you think he would react....again, I ask about the girl.  She isn't playing an Oscar worthy role for the found child.  Truth is, maybe we don't know how "normal"  people react in these situations.  Out side of a movie, when is the last time this kind of thing happened?  Maybe the guy was totally at peace the entire time because he was just walking and praying, never taking the burden of finding her on his own shoulders, but instead leaving that part of to God.  So maybe that's why he was calm.  I can't really answer that.  But to act like we know how "normal" people would react in that situation is a little assuming.  

It's funny that you use examples of how "religious" people use God to cover up sexual abuse.  Why are these same things not also examples of how a God-fearing "religious" person would help find a lost little girl?   Why does it have to go back to the preconception that something's not quite right.  To me, whether you realize it or not, I think when "it's a miracle, God led me to her" was the headline, your judgment and suspicion of this guy was shaped at that moment.  That's why you steer his religion to support sexual abuse instead of just his faith in God.  That's why the scripture he was telling her comes across to you as sexual cover-up and brainwashing instead of someone trying to comfort and share what he truly believed just happened.

I know, I know, I'm no psychologist.  I could be totally wrong.  But I'm just willing to bet that most of the people that see "creepy sexual abuser kidnapper" started down that path in their minds because of "it's a miracle, God led me to her".  Not that everyone consciously decided that, but it shaped the direction of their evaluation of the story.  Just my opinion, and nothing more.

I guess in time we'll see.  Maybe he did something, maybe not.  I just don't remotely see all of the "obvious" signs.

[Token]

 Truth is, maybe we don't know how "normal"  people react in these situations.  Out side of a movie, when is the last time this kind of thing happened?  Maybe the guy was totally at peace the entire time because he was just walking and praying, never taking the burden of finding her on his own shoulders, but instead leaving that part of to God.  So maybe that's why he was calm.  I can't really answer that.  But to act like we know how "normal" people would react in that situation is a little assuming.  

I've taken 400 hours of classes on adrenaline and how it affects the body in different situations.  In that class, we had numerous physically demanding challenges we had to perform to study how the body reacts and how adrenaline can work for, or against the body.  

I could really delve off into this discussion and prove with science how a "normal" person would react in the middle of an alligator infested swamp and what type of emotions a "normal" person would have after finding a small child alive against all odds.  Seriously, I could waste 3 hours on this exact topic of the discussion because 400 hours will burn the results into your mind.  But, it can and likely will be confronted with the "miracle and no explanation" argument so there's really not point in wasting the time.

I only hope Sylvester Stallone isn't dead by the time this one hits the cinemas.  

[jadennis]

Can adrenaline last for hours?  Serious question.  I'm just thinking that if he had been in there for a couple hours, and nothing had happened (no close calls with an alligator, etc), then I'm wondering why adrenalin would still be pumping through his veins. 

I would expect that upon venturing into the swamp, or if he all of the sudden was running from a gator, he'd be full of it.  But wouldn't a relative calm come over you after a couple hours...I mean if nothing ever happened while he was out there?

I don't know that finding the girl would necessitate an actual release of adrenaline would it?  I have no doubt you know far better than I what someone experiencing adrenaline rushes acts like.  I just question if it's a forgone conclusion that he would have been overwhelmed with it.  Again, even the little girl was calm.   Out of the two, the girl and the man, I would think she would have been the more emotional.  And at no time did they (the two in the swamp or the dispatcher) seem to fear for their safety due to alligators.

I'm leaving work soon, so I'll have to leave this one and see what comes out later.  Maybe he's an Amy Smart type.  We do live in crazy world.

Like I said, I was really only challenging the overall tone of "obviously this man is totally full of shit and is a sexual predator who kidnapped this girl then faked his own hero status".   My opinion was just that I didn't get the "obviousness" of it. 

Have good weekend, hope Alabama wins the Spring Game National Title (again).