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Tyrik Rollison is leaving

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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2010, 10:44:20 PM »
No...it would be like having a winning lottery ticket, it's just the winning ticket until you receive your money.  Lemme put it another way, a way that you'll probably understand, it's like having the Limited Edition Special Red Jacket Han Solo in Mint 10 condition still in mint package, worth a lot of $$$.  You won't see the $$$ until it's sold to it's highest bidder.  (BTW, I have no clue about Han Solo figures, but I'm guessing rws has a room similar to the 40 Year Old Virgin).  Dennis' point is that recruiting is like having a winning ticket or a high dollar toy....we'll see later if the prospects were as good as advertised.  But, Auburn having an extremely successful recruiting class has already been determined, it was determined this past Feb.

Having a great recruiting does not mean jack. UGA has a top ten recruiting class every freaking year and they were horrible last year and will continue to be a good 10-2 or 9-3 team every year. When Coach O was at Ole Miss they had top five classes and we saw how great they were. Coaching. A great recruiting class is like a pile of fertilizer. Tons of potential but if not used correctly it's just a pile of shit. Now with that being said a great recruiting class with a great coaching staff can mean greatness. I feel like allbarn has a great coaching staff and if they continue recruiting their collective asses off they will have chance to be on top of the heap again.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2010, 11:19:16 PM »
Having a great recruiting does not mean jack. UGA has a top ten recruiting class every freaking year and they were horrible last year and will continue to be a good 10-2 or 9-3 team every year. When Coach O was at Ole Miss they had top five classes and we saw how great they were.

You guys are just making jadennis's point:  recruiting success is measurable on signing day, but coaching success dictates the quality of those kids in 3-4 years.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2010, 05:36:49 AM »
You guys are just making jadennis's point:  recruiting success is measurable on signing day, but coaching success dictates the quality of those kids in 3-4 years.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2010, 09:14:44 AM »
What does all of this have to do with TR leaving? I see new post and think that something new has developed.

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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2010, 10:02:21 AM »
What does all of this have to do with TR leaving? I see new post and think that something new has developed.

You damn kids stay off my lawn.

I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...

http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html

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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2010, 11:04:30 AM »
You make alot of good points on this board, but I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Success on paper is different than success on the field. What you propose would be equal to me walking into a casino with $50 and proclaiming success before I put the first $1 bill into a machine. I mean, I haven't won anything. I didn't lose anything. But I didn't do anything either.

Wes is right, some of those posts were exactly my point.  Even though Georgia has had a down year here or there, it doesn't mean they didn't recruit good.  It mean they didn't coach them well, they didn't scheme well on the field, or they were unlucky with injuries and a few guys not living up to their billing.  But on signing day, their "billing" was that they were top notch players....agreed on by everyone.

RWS, the following quote by you explains my point...

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Success on paper is different than success on the field.

You are exactly right.  Signing day and recruiting for that year is done on paper.  It's not done on the field.  Your job in recruiting is to take the available players, go with the odds, and reel in as many top notch (based on the information available at the time) guys as you can.  Your goal is to get them to sign....on paper.  You are either successful at that job (attaining signatures) or you are not. 

Later, comes the "on the field" work with these new guys.  At that time, you either learn that they fall short of what they were labeled, or they get hurt, or they fail out, or you simply can't coach them, or you simply can't prepare them properly for a game, or they are as good as advertised, or you can prepare them for a game, and you can coach them up for SEC play.  All of this determines on the field success.   

They are two different things.  You can be a great recruiter (Ron Zook) and suck as a coach.  Zook going 8-5 every year never changed the fact that he was successful as a recruiter.  Not even a little.  It meant he couldn't coach.  Did 8-5 in 2003 for Zook mean that Spurrier recruited shitty players in 1999 and 2000?  No, it means Zook couldn't coach.

The battle of recruiting is only won in February. 

Let me give one more analogy.  Let's say you had $100,000, and you had to put $50,000 on two different teams to win the World Series next year.  You had to pick two, before the season.  What would you do?  You would inspect the rosters.  Look at the managers records.  Check the schedules.  Look at Vegas and check the odds (this would probably be the biggest one).  Right now, on Vegas.com, you'd find that the Yankees are 14/5 favorites and the Red Sox are 11/2. 

So you go, place you money on those two teams.  At that point, before the action is played out on the field, you have made good choices.  You did all you could do, went with the odds, gave yourself the best chance to win.  You made good choices.  You made wise choices.  At that point, having done all you could do, you had a successful process that led you to the best choice.  (the opposite would have been saying "I sure love the uniforms of the Kansas City Royals...I think I'll go with them".  Then you find out their odds are 150/1.  You would have had an unsuccessful process of picking your team, as you did not give yourself the best chance to succeed).

Come October, you'll find out if those teams let you down or not.  You'll find out if they lived up to expectations or if they didn't.  But you cannot judge retrospectively the wisdom of the decision you made prior to the season.  You still made the right callYou still made the correct and best choices.  October doesn't change the success or quality of those choices made in March. 

Even if Dyer rushes for 187 yards in his whole career at Auburn....it was still the right thing to do in the fall of 2009 to go after him.  Eric Mack may be a back-up for 4 years.  It was still the right thing to persuade him to come to Auburn early in 2010.  Those battles can only be fought once....on paper...during recruiting.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2010, 11:56:06 PM »
Damn'it jadennis, quit making sense. You are disturbing the peace.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2010, 12:42:40 PM »
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I wonder if TR stays around and becomes an all-american if Kaos will still claim he is right 99% of the time...

http://auburnbeat.blogspot.com/2010/03/taylor-qb-rollison-has-not-reached.html

I'm going to say that it's statistically possible, yes.  99% does allow room for 1% error and unless I'm wrong about something else -- unlikely -- a Rollison turnaround (also unlikely) would probably fall within the margin and allow me to remain at 99%.  Worst case scenario would probably be a drop to like 98.5%, which if rounded would still equal 99. 
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #88 on: March 08, 2010, 12:46:53 PM »

Let me give one more analogy.  Let's say you had $100,000, and you had to put $50,000 on two different teams to win the World Series next year.  You had to pick two, before the season.  What would you do?  You would inspect the rosters.  Look at the managers records.  Check the schedules.  Look at Vegas and check the odds (this would probably be the biggest one).  Right now, on Vegas.com, you'd find that the Yankees are 14/5 favorites and the Red Sox are 11/2. 

So you go, place you money on those two teams.  At that point, before the action is played out on the field, you have made good choices.  You did all you could do, went with the odds, gave yourself the best chance to win.  You made good choices.  You made wise choices.  At that point, having done all you could do, you had a successful process that led you to the best choice.  (the opposite would have been saying "I sure love the uniforms of the Kansas City Royals...I think I'll go with them".  Then you find out their odds are 150/1.  You would have had an unsuccessful process of picking your team, as you did not give yourself the best chance to succeed).

THIS is why Vegas makes money. 

You failed to note that both the Yankees and Red Sox are in the same division.  The likelihood of both of them making the World Series is zero.  If you're going to make that kind of wager, you're better off picking one team from each league  so that you increase your overall odds. 

You choose Yankees and Sox and it's an absolute certainty that one of the two won't make the Series.  You've cut your odds in half before the first game is played. 

Better bet would be to take Yankees or Sox and Dodgers or Phils. 
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2010, 02:19:06 PM »
THIS is why Vegas makes money. 

You failed to note that both the Yankees and Red Sox are in the same division.  The likelihood of both of them making the World Series is zero.  If you're going to make that kind of wager, you're better off picking one team from each league  so that you increase your overall odds. 

You choose Yankees and Sox and it's an absolute certainty that one of the two won't make the Series.  You've cut your odds in half before the first game is played. 

Better bet would be to take Yankees or Sox and Dodgers or Phils. 
He'd make money if either of those favorites from the division made the series at those odds. Actually, that may be a safer bet than putting all your eggs in one basket per division.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2010, 10:32:12 PM »
He'd make money if either of those favorites from the division made the series at those odds. Actually, that may be a safer bet than putting all your eggs in one basket per division.

So fuck Vegas then.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #91 on: March 12, 2010, 03:08:29 PM »
« Last Edit: March 12, 2010, 03:09:33 PM by Buzz Killington »
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2010, 03:13:33 PM »
Last I heard Tyrik was still attending classes at AU.  Anyone have an update on him leaving or staying?   
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« Reply #93 on: March 14, 2010, 03:24:48 PM »
Last I heard Tyrik was still attending classes at AU.  Anyone have an update on him leaving or staying?   
Last I'd heard, from "Da Skreets" of course, was that Tyrik hasn't set his transfer in stone yet.

One of two things:

1. He's going to finish the Semester out, like he stated that he would, then transfer.

2. He came out with the transfer story to shut all the bammers up, that were on his Facebook, suggesting that he transfer.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2010, 05:50:05 PM »
I don't think his Dad would have played along with the facebook game. 
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2010, 06:12:05 PM »
Last I'd heard, from "Da Skreets" of course, was that Tyrik hasn't set his transfer in stone yet.

One of two things:

1. He's going to finish the Semester out, like he stated that he would, then transfer.

2. He came out with the transfer story to shut all the bammers up, that were on his Facebook, suggesting that he transfer.
So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2010, 06:20:38 PM »
So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
You also started Global Warming.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #97 on: March 14, 2010, 07:40:17 PM »
So, now you're blaming us for Rollison wanting to transfer? Really?
Wow, I didn't realize that TigersX had TWO women posing as men on these message boards....rws and kaos.  I stated, and I'll typed this slowly, that it is one of two things, I really didn't think that I'd have to put that it is my opinion, but for people like yourself I guess I'll have to put that in EVERY post that I make....and fyi there were bammers on his facebook suggesting that he transfer.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #98 on: March 14, 2010, 09:06:11 PM »
and fyi there were bammers on his facebook suggesting that he transfer.
I wouldn't know if they did or not, because I don't stalk recruits/players pages.
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Re: Tyrik Rollison is leaving
« Reply #99 on: March 14, 2010, 09:15:42 PM »
I wouldn't know if they did or not what byrant-denny stadium looks like, because I don't stalk recruits/players pages attend bama games.
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